Thorin's Thoughts - Clarifying the TSM Holy War (LoL)

[@johnriley1324]

The beacons are lit, the horn has sounded, let the holy war commence.

[@TheOfficailTribe]

call forth the dogs of war

[@prashanthkumaran2768]

Muster the Thohirrim

[@m15t3rdud3]

It’s like the start to a game of dota

[@TheElderNexus]

Summon the elector counts!

[@OfficialJabe]

Woke up with a cofee and a 30m thoorin tsm rant. 2020 aint that bad after all.

[@MrZimono]

IKR

[@markliddle3]

Oath

[@varadrakshe8781]

Hear hear

[@DaShooter12]

Facts

[@Poopfortheworld]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4G5p3-pm9Wafbs here's the video mentioned that was recently removed by TSM

[@dexanwtripontidis3652]

Brace yourselves, the First Esports War is bestowed upon us...

[@sillytimestwenty6412]

stefanos mavromatis nah this is just the western front of an already active war between thorin and nikolaj nyholm/esl

[@pantalaemon2795]

You missed out on the first one regarding Monty

[@Arqunited]

JIHAD!

[@tkayuniverse3493]

One thousand day blood war

[@jenvandrak]

@@pantalaemon2795 which one ?

[@trihard7505]

Not many things in this world is more beautiful than the monologues of Thorin

[@SBWinner]

His ability to talk continuously for an hour is impressive

[@kalebb7170]

@@SBWinner yeah makes me wonder how he preps for videos like this. Shorthand notes? Full on speech prep? Multiple takes?

[@SBWinner]

Practice i guess

[@kurjadva]

Such beautifully articulated anger I can't get enough :) Joking aside, lots of love to Thooorin in this crusade of the bravest!

[@psyclops973]

Being able to articulate your anger so eloquently for almost 36min without ever losing your train of thought is definitely a talent not many people possess

[@aetarz]

General Duncan “Thorin” Shields has declared war on TSM

[@lunaticeagle3007]

WRONG Tsm decleared War Thorin just responded

[@aetarz]

Lunatic Eagle I would say this video implies thorin started the war considering he called it a holy war implying he’s like the pope starting the crusade.

[@lunaticeagle3007]

@@aetarz debateable it depends what starts the war the aktion of tsm or the declaration

[@aetarz]

Lunatic Eagle I would assume you making the declaration of war would start it.

[@deruga1132]

where is general oddone during these dark times?

[@Urikao]

"The only standard TSM has is double standards". Thorin scorching with dem double entendres. BARS

[@ThePandaThunder]

Das not a double entendre doe

[@shhitstheazn]

@@ThePandaThunder Why not? I think Urikao is referring to double standards along with doublelift standards

[@qowkerf]

@@shhitstheazn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre

[@anhedoniac6390]

Defo not a double entendre.

[@HypeWrecks]

@@anhedoniac6390I’m late but it definitely could be interpreted as one. Double standard. Doublelift. Get it?

[@LeftOverCasserole]

To be honest, I’m not a fan of Thorin when it comes to league of legends content. But Thorin as an individual and how he carries himself in arguments, debates, or premises that’s why I enjoy Thorin. Keep it up please.

[@gio1037]

he always has at least 1 pertinent argument, so cheers for that

[@inzagee6216]

He doesn't carry himself at all. In fact he is bringing others down by doing this. Imagine being the reason your friend isnt getting an interview because you're that stubborn so the boss had to fire you because you're hurting the company. This is now the same thing. He said he wont ever interview or do anything related to tsm. So what? Players will still sign for the org. Tsm can come out and say we wont ever do anything related to thorin and then suddenly thorin has fucked tons of his employees over once again.

[@7SlicesOfPizza]

@@inzagee6216 it wasn't him that brought others down. the others were already down and pulling shady shit(ex. what TSM did that Thorin mention in this video) if he stood up for it, it will get messy so last time he didn't and here we are again and Thorin is basically saying that's enough and he is going to stand up for this TSM shady shit. it will get messy. it will get ugly. that's not Thorin causing it, that's TSM doing the shady shit in a first place that was already causing moral hazardous environment. you're basically saying if a bully is keep bullying you, you shouldn't stand up and fight back because the act of fighting back will cause scene and issues will rise, so just keep getting beaten because life will go on as normal if you just don't do anything about it and keep getting bullied.

[@LeftOverCasserole]

@@inzagee6216 In this narrative (the one you presented) what you're stating is correct (it is selfish). But in reality, Thorin is a freelancing reporter meaning he chooses which pieces to write on and which not to. He also chooses to work with the organizations he WANTS to work with and vice versa. He no longer wants to work with TSM because of how they handled business that's completely his choice for you to say he should put his pride away for money may be right for you but, not for him and many others. His choices don't cause others to lose as well. He has also mentioned that he has multiple sources of income and seems to be doing fine without TSM. Additionally, when was the last time he worked with TSM the organization? Exactly, it's been a while. Thorin seems like a prideful man which in certain situations can be good or bad in this one, I think it's insignificant to his career. He doesn't NEED TSM, TSM isn't his company or a company he wants to work with. He also isn't effect any of his friends. Doublelift still got the position lol. I mean this with the utmost respect but your analogy although caring doesn't really fit with the situation.

[@iSlashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Wait what. “I’m not a fan but here are the reasons I’m a fan”

[@xzalean]

I'm a TSM fan. but I have also been a big Monte and Thorin fan since Season 3. and I agree with most of these videos

[@grandarchon6969]

Just to be clear I'm a "TSM" fan, the same way Thorin is a Froggen fan. I like Bjerg, I don't give a fuck about anything else TSM does. He was a good streamer back in the day, and I hope he does well. That's about it.

[@CatnamedMittens]

Playing life on hard mode?

[@brendan9340]

No one cares who you're a fan of

[@mazariamonti]

This is one of the best monologues Thorin has ever put out.

[@atomisten]

yet it's a really dumb take, if that is his best then it's not looking good for thoorin lol... his take basically was that the problem is "possibility" of poaching and we can never know for sure so the rules are bad. but that is so stupid, with the same logic we could say: "thoorin is a *possible* rapist, but we dont know for sure since we dont have cameras in his house, so rape rules are useless". see how dumb it is? the rules are innocents until proven guilty. anything more and you are grasping at straws.

[@teamotivez]

atomisten are you brain dead? Your example is only valid if thorin is seen walking into a house with a crying girl with her hands tied behind her back, and THEN because there’s no cameras we cannot determine whether he committed a crime or not. That’s the dilemma. No law has been broken and proved by TSM, but that fact that doublelift and leena held hands and then entered the office together suggests that rules COULD have been broken.

[@atomisten]

@@teamotivez you are the epic braindead here. doesnt matter what the circumstances are this is not fking kindergarten. in law it's innocent until proven guilty. in your case, are there marks on the child from the abuse or not, any DNS on her from outside source etc. you cant just randomly condemn people because you feel like it or because it's fun. thoorin got so mad that his reputation got hurt by leena calling him fake news, but he is doing exactly the same, ruining reputations for fun and to get views without proper evidence.

[@mazariamonti]

@@atomisten It's almost like you didn't actually watch the video at all and are basing your opinion off of a 100 character long tweet you read on twitter. That's not 'basically' what his problem was, and honestly I'm really done arguing with people that have such huge blinders on that they can't even agree that there are potential problems with what happened.

[@lips2486]

@@atomisten the innocent until proven guilty idea doesn't really apply to this tampering scenario I don't think. The potential for the tampering in this situation is the issue. Maybe an analog would be the impartiality of a judge where regardless of actual impartiality or not, a judge would have to abstain in a case because of either a conflict of interest in appearance or in fact. He's not saying tampering happened and condemning Lena for that, but for the possibility it happened and the response from her that it isn't even possible.

[@manlamb1]

19:23 "She is now the stupidest president to have used the term fake news on journalists" LOL!

[@tylerjnaylor]

Jesus that was savage. GL Thorin, keep fighting the good fight!

[@aleksandarivanov5860]

I don't even care about lol, but thooorin's rants just give me life

[@Poopfortheworld]

TSM Removed the Regi video, here is the reupload: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4G5p3-pm9Wafbs

[@aleksandarivanov5860]

They flinched; now the pain will never end hahaha

[@zealous404]

@@Poopfortheworld TSM's sweating profusely right now - Thorin's solid on the offense

[@sahincolak8236]

"From now on, f*ck TSM all day every day" -Thorin 2020 Keep it up, you're a legend

[@lashalomidze4713]

Thorin just pulled out the big guns and went ham af

[@reallifeweightloss932]

I don't even think he pulled out the big guns. He is to strategic for that to be his opening move.

[@danielhayes248]

@matthew Arthur, exactly! He even said in the video that they’ve contacted people and threatened people to find out where the insider information is coming from. This is only the very beginning and I’m looking forward to the response

[@buffyplays2577]

​@@danielhayes248 wait a minute, did he actually say "to find out where the insider information is coming from" ??? i could have sworn he said "threatened people to get him and monte into trouble" , could you timestamp so i could see pls (i was listening to this in the background so i could have missed it) ...... but if its true what you say thats incredibly scummy

[@Poopfortheworld]

TSM Removed the Regi video, here is the reupload: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4G5p3-pm9Wafbs

[@maurice6908]

@@Poopfortheworld Spoiler alert: TSM lost to Moscow 5 at IEM Kiev 2012. M5 was probably the best team in the world in S2, maybe better than Azubu. Even back in 2012 there were TSM fans thinking that TSM had a chance... But TSM was never good international, they got destroyed there

[@foximou]

God of thunder THOOORIN : YOU CALLED THE THUNDER NOW REAP THE WHIRLWIND Litterally a heartbeat later - Good Thorin : Thsi video was kindly supported by... 35:51 Edit : thx 1 2

[@edwardwilson3737]

Inshallah brother Duncan, strike at the infadels

[@Jonasadler232]

uninstall

[@borofreak]

@@Jonasadler232 that's what I read initially as well

[@Jonasadler232]

@@borofreak its a joke from csgo community where one of the cs players s1mple replied to inshallah with uninstall because he didnt understand lol

[@borofreak]

@@Jonasadler232 Hahaha, I hadn't heard of that! Thanks

[@MegaRosX]

Edward Wilson alhamdulillah

[@OneEyedHim]

When I saw that Leena appeared on a podcast of offlinetv, I knew for a fact,she had shot herself in the foot. God I think I lost a few braincells watching them trying to address this topic. Good stuff, your videos are straight fire!

[@nguyentri3608]

What do you mean? I thought Pokimane was involved with esports?

[@mylastaccount8328]

i hvaent watched it yet i ususally watch offline tv to lose some braincells so that doesn't surprise me one bit... The only reason why leena went there is because the following pokimane has and is trying to "sell her side" actually a trash thing to do. LIterally haven't heard anything good come from TSM as an org for so long tbh

[@OneEyedHim]

GodWantsDrugs I know, and I too watch offlinetv for simple entertainment (especially in these boring times), but this one actually hurt my brain. Like actually prompting me to cringe irl material.

[@mylastaccount8328]

@@OneEyedHim LOL faccts i just watched the podcast, did it not seem like it was staged or just really awkward also tho?

[@jimmybaker4821]

Timestamp?

[@mavericx5206]

This gonna be spicy

[@rv3427]

i hope it is, TSM gets away with way too much all the time...

[@zakkle8600]

@@rv3427 like what exactly

[@ellipsoidi]

@@zakkle8600 like everything thorin has been talking about.

[@zakkle8600]

@@ellipsoidi he argues that tsm are poaching because its a "possibility" He offers no proof of anything because there is none. He says TSM should have reached out to him to clear the situation, thats not tsm's job that's thorin's job as journalist. As for the csgo drama all of those players signed contracts, and when they realized they didnt like their contract that started flaming tsm even though they agreed on those terms.

[@zakkle8600]

@@ellipsoidi he uses month old discord messages to try and offer proof that she is poaching, in return making himself look even more brain dead. Hes mad that she called him fake news, which he is because hes making allegations and reporting it as fact.

[@awesomeness636]

As a TSM fan, I have honestly been so disgusted with the way Leena has tried to reframe the narrative as if she's some poor soul being bullied by the evil Monte and Thorin, when literally all they were doing is bringing up a legitimate concern about riots conflict of interest rules (or lack there of). Being Danish, I have been a Bjergsen fan since the Copenhagen Wolwes times, and so by extension a tsm fan for the past few years, but these recent developments are making it hard for me

[@MrZimono]

Thank you for being reasonable broski. at first I was frustrated with the way tsm/leena tried to paint the situation, then I thought thorin took it too far (on twitter), but after watching this video I think thorins response to the situation makes sense

[@KamiDaito]

If you have not watched the video yet, grab some popcorn guys, this shit is hilarious. I love it

[@samotargos5199]

Why do people start anything with Thorin? Hes like the Eminem of esports.

[@robertpriester8115]

I hope you're joking.

[@SBWinner]

a mistake many people make

[@quinntolchin3080]

Robert Priester and what if he’s not? You gonna whip out one of them mad twinkies you have been eating for breakfast lunch and dinner?

[@husenboriwala5110]

Samo Targos this works from both perspectives because young Eminem was suicide to go against and old Eminem is an old man spewing grudges

[@frankopanklaric]

Not really. Thoorin actually means what he says.

[@RaikiriKyubii]

I’d guess off the bat Leena went to Jack/C9 management to try to fuck with the Summoning Insight deal, but I have a feeling C9 knew exactly who they were working with when that arrangement was made 🤠

[@psyclops973]

OMG this is honestly one of the best LoL videos Thooorin ever uploaded. He keeps going harder and harder throughout the entire rant. I really can't see how anyone from TSM can even respond to any of his points, especially considering that any kind of response will make Thooorin pull out even bigger guns.

[@PF777]

You are a boss Thooorin, thank you so much for your work. Props to you for calling on the bullshit going around in esports.

[@lyru8715]

Anyone else rewatching this after the recent drama ? :x

[@maoaadriao]

This weeks sommoning insight is gonna be so good!

[@bantay21]

Hell yeah. Can't wait for Monte and him to destroy TSM on Summoning Insight

[@diddysignedme]

When does it come out?

[@samtsuro]

So nice I've watched this thrice. My body is soooooo ready! =)

[@ITSMIAS]

"The only standards TSM hold themselves to is *Double* Standards." Ok that one was clean lmfaooo

[@josh058]

18:36 Thooorin, the rap god

[@J040PL7]

he went full Eminem mode there.

[@ThaSingularity]

hahaha

[@averageleagueplayer4648]

Rip any DL Thorin interviews haha. I’ll sum up what it would have been. “Everyone else is trash, I think we have a chance at worlds ;)”

[@fttmvp]

Best diss track since Hit'em Up. Tupac would be proud.

[@ricardoosegueda9286]

Now that is a what a real man looks like. Someone who actually stands up for his friends and will stick to his principles and convictions. As an individual, he is going at war against a giant company, that is something truly admirable.

[@snt03]

now go look at his twitter lol

[@v3rmilli0nair3]

Thorin just straight up ETHERED Leena/TSM and will continue to do so. I'm excited :3

[@NoradNoxtus]

Thirty Six and a half minutes of Straight Fire

[@Iznikroc]

from another video on this fiasco: "I feel for Dardoch, who do you gank for? A young top laner who struggles weak side but with resources and time can carry you to a win and make plays, your mid who owns part of the team and isn't ever being replaced or your bot lane who is dating the president lol"

[@jonilantinga2123]

"corollary": A proposition that follows from (and is often appended to) one already proved. In case you wondered

[@macscottgames]

thanks fam lmao

[@Bscybfan1996]

that thumbnail is straight fire xD

[@buffyplays2577]

t-rex pose xD

[@MyNinjaCraig]

Chogath :D

[@buffyplays2577]

@@MyNinjaCraig nom nom nom nom nom

[@reyalexandro]

This was a conflict of interest period. The kiddies denying it know little of how business works.

[@Bulldawzer]

Thanks for going hard on this, Thorin.

[@Sh4rkQueen]

Thank you so much for this video Thooorin. You are an incredible journalist and thank you for upholding your morals and stance in a time where journalism, especially in the video game industry is lacking.

[@luukvankrugten7253]

It's funny how people get offended when thooorin says this could might maybe in a other world have happend. I have no proof and I don't say this happend but it just could and I am talking about it. And people start defending them self that it did not happend even though nobody ever said it happend.

[@Dennis450D]

That's a nice cover though. It'd make sense if the then didn't yell what he "thinks but doesn't really know could or could not have happened" to his fanbase while having a history of pretty much only speaking negatively of the org he's implying things about.

[@backstraptukken]

@@Dennis450D ? The whole point of the conflict of interest issue is that whilst nothing to the detriment of competitive integrity may have happened, there is a chance that it COULD happen, which is problematic.

[@Dennis450D]

@@backstraptukken Thorin went on a rant about the conflict of interest between DL and Leena first (giving the little editorial caveat) and then weaved in all sorts of accusations about TSM (including Leena) directly approaching and poaching EU players in the same video. Then when Leena replies to that specific accusation and other esports organizations involved back up her claims, Thorin goes on the defense about how ridiculous it is that Leena is coming after him as the "big bad esports meanie bending people to her will", at no point acknowledging that he's purposefully using public discord messages to his own interpretation to make TSM look bad. And STILL going on about the conflict of interest being there and Riot's investigation being BS. Leena then goes on other talkshows (also, wtf is fucking Thorin of all people doing being the arbiter of who can run these things with credibility) to talk about her side of things regarding the DL trade and how she feels they're being disingenuously targeted, and all Thorin can do once more is whine about how powerful she is and shouldn't be so mean to someone who said nice things about DL every once in a while.

[@Dennis450D]

@@backstraptukken Even in this video he's gaslighting like crazy with the Schalke manager's Tweet. "Here's something TSM fans think proves TSM didn't poach Doublelift" and saying that Leena's Tweet was about "my video". No. It's not. That Tweet specifically dealt with Thorin's accusation that TSM was poaching EU players and didn't mention the DL trade at all. He's being fake as fuck to try and bend other people's words again because he knows he was being an idiot in that video. Edit: so he doesn't do this here, backtracking after watching more of the video.

[@Dennis450D]

Oh, so he does actually go back and now admit this was regarding poaching EU players. Still though, hammering down a misinterpretation of the words (or purposefully taking them literally, implying Leena would just say "yeah we poached" in the TSM Discord....which anyone can read)

[@11habitat]

Brace yourself. General Thorin is I’ll guide us to victory! AT DAWN WE RIDE FOR THE LAND OF TEAM SOLO MID

[@Jypimeister]

Holy crap, this got intense. Good for you Thorin!

[@JazzyMazzy305]

Thorin I have always seen your content through the lense of a TSM fan. I respect you so thoroughly for this video. I am still a TSM fan but now I'm a Thorin fan too. Keep up the backbone man! Keep people accountable.

[@611delta]

This aged really well

[@swingyouth2749]

Holy fucking Shit, Thorin. Big respect on your angle and approach to, well just everything :)

[@Dudebaker420]

It is incredibly taxing to be both a Doublelift fan and a TSM hater.

[@piperfree4271]

Good stuff Thorin! Make TSM take responisibility. Especially if those excecs behave so pathetically and try to manipulate their way out of it. Makes the whole LoL esports scene look like a kindergarten and not like the big businesses they want to portray themselves as. Almost looks like TSM has no capable leaders... Who would have thought?

[@Poopfortheworld]

TSM Removed the Regi video, here is the reupload: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4G5p3-pm9Wafbs

[@doonkey80]

OMG 1:50 ! The madman actually predicted the future.

[@ominith1]

Thorin ... The reckoning .....

[@micky_3432]

I'm a TSM fan and i absolutely loved this video. It is so obvious there is conflict of interest....

[@DraleAMVMaking]

This whole ordeal is just a big Patrick's wallet meme , where quite fittingly TSM fans are Patrick and Thoorin and Monte are Manta Ray trying to explain it to them. 32:17 The TSM Echo Chamber (Colorized) (Graphic)

[@ortaconder1603]

Hi Thorin, I don't know if you'll ever read this, but I wanted to mention that, this war made me one of your supporters. I should also mention that I was probably closer to TSM side a few months ago. The bad news is that, my side always loses :(. But I sincerely hope that you'll be triumph.

[@austinhudson5349]

See? I said this the moment I clicked on this video, if someone had actually paid attention to what you had actually said in the original video, they'd understand that you accused Leena and TSM of nothing, you just said it looks bad. The optics of this situation is a bit weird, I don't mind that Doublelift is with Leena, I think it's a lovely middle finger to Reginald which everyone can get behind, I feel. But I can feel how someone could see this as conflict of interest.

[@inzagee6216]

ye but he is a hypocrit saying tsm is fucking him over finacially by responding while he threw the first punch. Imagine being a huge org and then someone with no proof says you have been doing shady stuff while hiding behind "my source told me". That hurts the org so of course leena will come out and defend herself and then thorin threw back ok now you've ruined my reputations its time for a war. Dude you litterly threw the first punch by accusing tsm of doing something thats not right and it hurted the org. Now you get what you deserve ginger fraud.

[@iamgewb]

@@inzagee6216 He didn't accuse them of anything. He just discussed the possibility of poaching. This is coming from a TSM fan.

[@RumandCocaine]

@@inzagee6216 imagine worlds biggest orgs responding like tsm does, it doesnt look good professionally like this trade and etc what tsm has ever done.

[@josephomalley7628]

@@inzagee6216 no one ruined thorin's rep, he said her comments were a clear attempt to discredit a journalist which is an attempt at destroying his career in it's totality which in his vidoe he did nothing close to tsm in which he was displaying clear conflicts of interest and laying out no accusations of any kind, a journalist making a video on their youtube channel has next to no sway on the influence of the org especially considering riot let everything happen with no reprecussions however the org backlash is a sinister attempt to destroy a persons credibility, basically thorin provided no attack and leena called him fake news which is a pretty serious thing to say about a journalist, if you think about perspective here I think your view might be different, the level of threat just doesn't match up and leena should've known that as an org owner

[@whisperedshadow868]

Watching the original video I saying to myself that no one involved with TSM is going to hear what he's actually saying and is just going to attack him. Classic TSM. That's why I too despise them as an org. I feel bad for their players because there's actually nothing that I dislike about their LoL team, but the management has always been shady.

[@nhuxtable4019]

2020: *exists* Thorin: FUCK ESL AND TSM Fr, props for him sticking to his guns and standing by his principles.

[@kilixsum2275]

well they made him mad what did they think

[@ThePolarpop]

God damn that outtro was insane, no one seems to be saying this but.... Im sorry you have to go through this and take the risks on your own, but im glad youre the ttpe of person to do so with as big of a trusted fanbase as you have

[@hamzasehavdic]

King you dropped this 👑

[@haplozyorhist8778]

I've never been a big fan of tsm, but this really tilts me away from anything they are.

[@DollofFate]

Alright now this is fun, cant wait for the next reveal.

[@averagescrub3235]

I absolutely love this version of Thoooooorin (however many O's are in there)

[@nguyentri3608]

Andrew Fender is this the origin?

[@Blokovich]

Here before delusional TSM fans flood the vid with dislikes

[@egozocker14]

Yeah, you are 100% not a delusional Thorin fan

[@Blokovich]

@@egozocker14 Here they come :D

[@vincent6948]

I thought Steve Gomez was dead

[@egozocker14]

@@Blokovich who?

[@iiiSidewalks]

i love tsm but mostly because bjerg is my favorite player. much love thorin.

[@stratfender89]

Thoorin, you make me want to be a journalist. Is there a book you recommend reading to start?

[@hughdooley3249]

Advice I've got from others: start writing, reading and work for student or college newspapers if you cant get professional internships.

[@stratfender89]

@@hughdooley3249 Thanks for your comment, Hugh. I've got the reading part down, but I should be writing more. I was looking for something of an outline to look at since many people talk about a journalist code of ethics and what not.

[@jakefromabove_og]

@@stratfender89 Thorin has done some AMA threads and videos, and I recomend you watch/read those as im pretty sure he has awnsered that question several times before.

[@teddywu5072]

Another piece of advice is what he already got triggered by in the video. Spell people's nicknames or names correctly. You literally spelled his name the way Leena did, which he was tilted by. Journalists shouldn't be making that mistake.

[@Shingeki__]

Problem is you are just a professional and you're right haha. As a TSM fan, I agree with what you've said and are trying to bring to light. It's less about DL and Leena and more about Riot having paper thin rules. I was actually surprised they could even date, at least openly, in the first place. Leena should honestly stop talking so much without consultation. I understand she probably just wants all this to go away but they way she's been going about it is all wrong, it really is a shame. It's also too bad that TSM won't just take a Semi-L and admit that the way things look is bad.Although I guess that would give people like Monte, who I don't agree with simply because it's after the fact, more agency to try and push for a reversal or something on the trade. What's done is done but there should be an outcry to ensure situations like this never happen again but idk if Riot is the type of company to do that. I mean....have you seen their balance changes? Yikes.

[@zjiujiu]

I've always thought Thooorin was a bit too harsh on the esporting scene, where Monte was a bit less "asertive" but I do agree with what he is saying. *EDIT* But being Doublelift's friend, I think this will just cause pressure on DL personally.

[@hcalmijebi]

I have never played nor watched League of Legends, but this is going in the favorites. This is an immaculate example of passion driving through the truth. I may watch this in the future as inspiration, good luck, Thorin!

[@peterenis3507]

23:55 That‘s the face of a man willing to go to all lengths to bring justice to an organisation who has fcked with him for 6 years Pray TSM Fans your Reckoning is coming

[@DaShooter12]

Also, I think it’s funny that a President of a multi million dollar company is so lax about standards and general decorum.

[@Mistowgan]

You now have my sword. Brother Thorin. DEUS VULT

[@olafurbjornsson9668]

I absolutely love when people try and question Thorin's credibility. You can say you have a differing opinion to Thorin, you can say you disagree with him and his thoughts. But you cannot question his credibility in this industry.

[@amund9444]

Travis again pepelaugh

[@SuperHeroR]

I love you Thooorin, keep fighting the good fight. Riot is also shares blame for this mess. Their rules are so vague, it basically allows potential conflict of interest o exist. Not sure with the scenario how TSM gets Doublelift on their team without raising question marks and asterisks, even if it was done legally.

[@vegardgammesvello9121]

Off to watch the podcast with pokimane just to enjoy the cringe of the excuses now

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

I watched it and there wasn't any excuses cringe worthy She does acknowledge tht there is a conflict of interests within the team now tht Doublelift is on the team. Outside of the team there isn't any. Considering DL and Steve had many 1 on 1s throughout DL's time in the org and his relationship with Lena was brought up before they became public. personally I've stopped caring because it doesn't matter what she says really bc she is gonna shit anyway

[@spreak2623]

@@lightningjuniorsuper if she admits there is a possibility then why is she flaming anyone who brings it up

[@tonicastella7494]

I have been a TSM fan for a long time but this video is so good and so true I hope I could press the like button more than once.

[@karioa2346]

It's crazy how a lot of fans are ignoring the potential for these things to happen. The worst of the bunch are definitely the ones that acknowledge it could happen, but it won't because it's the LCS super champion joining their favorite team and it's all happening under riots approval. Makes me sad to imagine we can have this as well in counter strike with valves latest blog on this matter...

[@rayperez6322]

We need to hear from Dardoch and his agent on how TSM handled his contract and play? hmm hmm Dardoch's interactions with TSM leadership. ....

[@Spinexus]

I have not seen Thorin this agitated in years! xD Love it!

[@chriscobi634]

Love it when he get this passionate about a topic. He shoots straight fire!

[@Napsteris]

Its popular now to pretend "poor defensless girl/women".

[@HPLov3craft]

well thats the standard move when u have no arguments, go for the feels

[@ESPSJ]

@@HPLov3craft sadly its the most successful way to win any conflict or argument too :/

[@kuci1995]

When Leena called Thooorin Fake news I completely glossed over it because I thought she was saying it as a joke because of the "lol" at the end. I completely forgot what attacking the credibility of a journalist, even as a joke, means to the journalist. Ive always been more of a Bjerg fan than a TSM org fan and the things the TSM fanbase has done and does(im not completely innocent in this) has always been ridiculous and usually goes too far.

[@RumandCocaine]

It's amazing to me that tsm org is still the same, all these years...some things never change.

[@Poopfortheworld]

The TSM brigade is real, twitter and reddit are full of echochamber loyalists that cannot for the life of them say anything to Thorin beyond "go to sleep old man" and some form of "malding". Glad to see that there's actually people here that understand what Thorin is trying to talk about here.

[@boymeetsyume5908]

TSM got reckon'd in this debate. Great video Thorin.

[@tetroid4876]

BoyMeetsYume this wasn’t a debate. It was a monologue. It was well done tho.

[@boymeetsyume5908]

@@tetroid4876 I meant the general conflict of interest debate. But yeah, I get your point. Agreed :)

[@Spencey_V]

People are always going to argue Thorin or Monte are biased parties as well as TSM, but this video proves that there is a difference between a party recognizing their biases while not letting it affect their judgement, and those who do not. You may not agree with him, but damn he has great points. TSM fans get ready.

[@KlinsmanKor]

They awaken the Ancient One, GL TSM XD

[@bigbrotherandco]

MAN. THORIN, YOU ARE THE MAN......much respect. We will keep on eye on the blow back and following events. We will support you!

[@lorenzobrizzi9309]

To be honest I never liked you that mutch becouse of how loud can you be when you make your points and I think is not in my likings, but this does not exclude the fact that you are and have always been a reputable source and they are tryin to sandbag what is appening putting shades on you. I can do nothing more then agree with you and hope you get out of this with an upper hand. Hope you read this.

[@Loutripe]

This is nuts, he is getting murdered on the Reddit thread. The amount of bias from the TSm's fan is crazy

[@JunWeanTheRetard]

Thorin, I think your view of the trade, as well as the insight on the relationship that DL has with TSM is completely valid. However, you have to remember that even major sports leagues like in the NBA, there are also such rules, and players there are also able to avoid such rules (Team USA basketball and the camps that they have were probably the places where players conceived of ideas to team up together) That said, there is no way to effecting audit and manage "poaching", except through heavy fines and consistent audits

[@Daniel-tr7qy]

@@ibraheemahmed215 That's why on Summoning Insight he said the poaching rules shouldn't even exist because it's impossible to enforce them with things like this but Riot themselves are the ones who have implemented the poaching rules. So why would Riot force these poaching rules upon the league and then not enforce it. You either have them and you do it correctly or you don't.

[@JunWeanTheRetard]

Daniel I can see where you’re coming from and why that opinion is completely valid. Just remember every sport has these rules, major sports, and E-Sports following in their footsteps would have similar rules. Implementation of rules shouldn’t be about whether they have been enforced or not. You state your expectations on the conduct of the league and the players/organisations have to follow suit, or risk repercussions. Riot still has final say.

[@themymablo]

I dont care about any of this but its just hilarious to watch this guy rant.

[@kyelyk]

It only took a week for that massive fck up to happen

[@kaiwhitfield4039]

Great content from Thorin and its nice to see he is not going to back down from TSM. In the case of Leena, she needs to learn how to word things properly and hear/listen to what people like Thorin is saying. This man is not accusing TSM of poaching all he did was say it was possible. TSM fans who see this video don't get butt hurt just because this journalist is speaking the truth.

[@azalea_k]

TSM excuses: getting leaner and leaner.

[@swen1208]

you mean getting leena and leena :D

[@azalea_k]

@@swen1208 ;)

[@YcleptCrazy]

Posting fake news with zero evidence gets funnier and funnier.

[@Xuuuuification]

This is fking fire. One of your best videos mate👏🏼

[@alteronin]

32:18 Thorin, noo come back! Haha, I hope this becomes a meme gif. Anyway, great content as always. I don't have a horse in these race (I'm actually relieved DL got back to TSM, hopefully there will a 2nd decent NA team) but I enjoy this discussions a lot.

[@weixia5577]

My new ringtone

[@arka267]

Forth of May 2020 - The tenth crusade happened, guided by commander Duncan "Thorin" Shields, against the horde savages that of were TSM fans and TSM management. Was brutal, Curch gotta say sorry for the lack of mercy shown by the commander. No survivors found.

[@buffyplays2577]

thorin is like a well educated version of Callum's Corner

[@BraveDreamerMusic]

Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon.

[@tenan757]

this is like watching BtN live, straight unfiltered flame

[@PhantomTucker]

Being british and hearing a fellow Brit "Rant" is music to my ears. I like TSM as an LoL team, never thought to much into the org its self but this was poetry Thooorin