Thor Love and Thunder Is...

Thor Love and Thunder Is... Terrific? Awful? A mixed bag? The worst Thor movie since The Dark World? Oh boy...
I break down my non-spoiler thoughts and then get into the disappointing nitty gritty of Odinson's battle with Gorr the God Butcher...
Thor. 2011. Directed by Kenneth Branagh.
Thor The Dark World. 2013. Directed by Alan Taylor.
Thor Ragnarok. 2017. Directed by Taika Waititi.
Avengers Infinity War. 2018. Directed by The Russo Brothers.
Avengers Endgame. 2019. Directed by The Russo Brothers.
Thor Love and Thunder. 2022. Directed by Taika Waititi.
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[@FullFatVideos]

What did you think of Thor Love and Thunder? Thumbs up or down?

[@snailcat5806]

I had a lot of fun with it

[@thebigboy6070]

Not seen it yet just know the Stone guy dies

[@georgbergsten6050]

Really liked it

[@Reelfilms1998]

Loved it. Was very worried after seeing Multiverse of Madness thi

[@EloOuilla]

It’s a Thor + Taika movie through and through a.k.a Good Times

[@Lsd1021]

The fact that Gorr only killed one god on screen is an extreme disservice. Like why would you set up a city of gods and not have the main villain invade and kill the populace

[@911nmg]

Exactly!!!!!

[@nm2358]

In the comic run this is based on we NEVER see Gorr kill anyone, lol. I think... maybe the last temporal god is the only time we see him kill one. Volstagg was strung up for a oneshot, but alive. His planet's golden god I think he killed with a rock... Its almost always a dying god or a dead god that pops up. Gorr was a boogieman in this comic. But, hurr durr, the film isn't serviced at all by watching Gorr butcher random people on screen when we've seen he's killed dozens of gods, even the Asgardians are complaining how he's killed multiple of their soldiers in his attack.

[@Lsd1021]

@@nm2358 tf do you mean we never see him killing anyone in the comics. We see him kill a god right when he gets the necrosword. Either way though, he killed the whole pantheon of time gods and we got to see them all dead. We got two see like two pictures of dead gods and that's it other than the god in the beginning

[@bigboi2079]

simple. Marvel doesn't what a rated R movie

[@Petrovelly]

@@bigboi2079 It doesn't have to be R-rated.

[@VVEGA2940]

i feel so sorry for Christian Bale. He had the chance to be Thor's greatest villain, and he played the part so well. But he had like 4 minutes of screentime

[@abrahamcoronelbeltran6033]

The gods feared him even though we only see him kill a nobody god

[@ishaanhall78]

The first scene was fucking brilliant. Then they cut him out of the movie to make more room for dumb jokes

[@bennyhoward1391]

It reminded me of The Black Phone where Ethan Hawke doesn’t have that much screen time as the Grabber but there when he’s onscreen he’s done perfectly and every scene he’s in has a purpose. In Thor Gorr is constantly referred to as The God Butcher and he does no God butcher and no the opening doesn’t count because that’s his first kill and it’s mostly offscreen and every other kill is offscreen entirely. Not saying they needed a violent scene of Gorr decimating a god BUT they should have had a god of war type scene of Gorr killing that giant Titan god. Would have been epic and threatening.

[@knightshadowhimself]

@@ishaanhall78 Sound just like Eric lmao

[@horizon92lee]

There’s a lot that’s been cut out, so I’m hoping we get a good chunk of his work in the deleted scenes on blu ray

[@Fluhhber]

For a dude called “The God Butcherer” we don’t actually get to see him kill any gods, besides the one in the beginning, and I think that’s a damn shame :/

[@ishaanhall78]

Fucking madness. He only kills one god 😭

[@NuggetGX]

@@ishaanhall78 on screen

[@NuggetGX]

@@ishaanhall78 it would have been cool if he started invading the city during that scene.

[@lunathekuduruk1311]

dominion giganotosaurus moment

[@Haiden.Ambrose]

@@ishaanhall78 he killed a bunch off screen

[@grimmcrag8715]

I think my biggest issue with the film was they kind of reset Thor as a character to how he was at the beginning of Ragnarok. The growth he had through Ragnarok and the last 2 avengers films felt like it had just been erased and he was back to being an oaf.

[@bobc2032]

Yeah I despised that

[@AnythingMachine]

My favourite part was honestly the cold open. Someone raised in a world that they basically believed that they understood, and basically believed to be rational and safe, seeing everyone around them die and their life end and then being laughed at for having faith in the first place is a great villain backstory.

[@ishaanhall78]

Best scene of the movie. Shame the rest of this movie was crap

[@Agispsi]

Could have been fantastic if they had actually explored that origin instead of rushing it.

[@horizon92lee]

The catharsis Gor has in that scene, and that switch from his smile to sorrow was timed and done so well, I love Christian Bale’s work

[@joshuaclarke1389]

I thought that was a great scene too! Christian Bale just kills these roles, but when they all go to confront Zeus and Thor does what he does, I was thinking... Is there gonna be no consequence? Sure there was that post credit scene but, meh. I'm not the biggest fan of Taika humor, I hated his character in Lightyear. Shit I appreciate James Gunn more

[@tender0828]

one bad day for our friend, Gor

[@andramontgomery326]

Dude, if you don't like something, speak on it! Don't let people control your language by letting them tell you you're being negative. You're a very positive person, and I always come to your channel to get a balance whether things are quite as bad as I think they are. If even you feel a certain way, with your ginormous amounts of positivity, it points to a flaw in the media. It's not you! Don't let fake fans shame you into being positive in spite of yourself!

[@taylorbeckett9686]

I agree with you, but I think his point is that being negative can be mentally draining for himself and others. He won't be positive just for the sake, but he wants to make sure some of his content focus is on positive things

[@andramontgomery326]

@@taylorbeckett9686 I think that's your take on what you think he means. All I can do is listen to what he's saying. He feels like he's being too negative. That's not why I'm subscribed to this channel. I'm subscribed to Full Fat because I believe he drags any positivity out of things even I don't like. People should not shape him into being a thing. Don't like Star Wars right now? I've been there, but I hear you. Think a Marvel thing was a dud? If YOU do, then something is wrong. I have my own opinions and believe he should have his. The way the channel transforms is just that. As long as it's organic.

[@RosieOleanderDallinger]

@Khris Middleton I’ve watch LOADS of positive videos from this channel. Even just in the last few days one has been made.

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

Toxic positivity sucks

[@jordanpatton3622]

@@OverbiteGames Very well articulated! This helped me a lot because I like to write and create too.

[@MadMonkeyMightyBison]

I don't care if you're down about a movie or positive, just be true to your feelings and keep the videos coming!

[@FullFatVideos]

Appreciate it!!

[@MadMonkeyMightyBison]

@@FullFatVideos You're appreciated! And I love the fancy dress you use for reviews. I enjoyed your Peacemaker more than John Cena's.

[@jaredlewis3001]

@@FullFatVideos am I the only one that feels like Disney has been ruining shows. With the Marvel company and starwars with Lucas Film. The shows and movies we got have been bad and it’s starting to become a habit. Do you think Disney will go out of business?

[@irishpie]

@@jaredlewis3001 Disney go out of business? Are you being serious?

[@spaceodds1985]

Effing A… sorry for the bad language 😀

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

My question was simple. How many times has thor stopped being a demigod to find himself? It was such a misstep.

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

He's a god. Demigods are beings who are half god & half human.

[@ThePonderer]

This movie really isn’t about “finding himself” the way the trailers frame it as being.

[@MineShackle]

Very simplistic way to frame things

[@madtitanthanos7898]

Never. So what's ur fricking point

[@mikemorro140]

Once in the first film

[@AuthenticApathy]

Thor's outfit in this was based on the universally hated 90s costume, a decision which is utterly baffling. This movie honestly felt like Taika had fun with Ragnarok and then felt insulted that they expected him to direct a second Thor film.

[@LordMooshroom]

That's wild, I felt this movie was better than Ragnarok

[@terminatrix92]

I think Waititi is on the record as saying he did this movie because Akira fell through, which you can feel in this Thor; its like he had nothing better to do so he threw together a story passionlessly. What Waititi had with Ragnarok was a gift; it could only be better than the previous movie. If anything he should have made this film more serious to contrast against the Ragnarok. Focus on Gorr and Jane's darker stories, surprise people with genuine intensity and stakes. But he chose to go the opposite way... this movie is like if Monty Python and the cast of 2005 SNL got together and made a Thor film. Nothing matters, scenes dont run together. But that's what people wanted right?? Pure Waititi. Cant wait for his take on Star Wars

[@CalebSpears1]

@@LordMooshroom what did you prefer about this one? Curious on your thoughts. Full disclosure on how I feel, the movie feels a little kitschy and over the top on the comedy at the sacrifice of the plot and integrity of the character’s arc throughout the last ten years.

[@Jake-qo3mp]

Right? I would have preferred if they kept his Thunderstrike look (the other 90's look) from the beginning of the movie rather than that rainbow of puke costume. Thor was truly character assassinated in this movie. Hemsworth (despite being a phenomenal actor and able to pull off Thor perfectly) and Waititi in this movie made him a bumbling, insufferable, walking catastrophe, a total screw up who visibly annoys everyone from The Guardians to the Asgardian children to Valkryie. He's a walking, absent minded joke machine in this movie and it's baffling that they could have the potential to have him be so cool and badass and threatening but spend the entire movie making him a weirdo, unfunny loser of a 'God' instead.

[@haroldnecmann7040]

@@Jake-qo3mp it was a joke to "pick a color" line by thor in ragnarok.

[@soyboylegends7832]

This is truly a movie of all time. The plot is happening. The characters are written. The stuff is happening. Truly, a movie of all time.

[@cringekiller348]

The comments are being copied. Truly one of the comments of all time

[@ZdenekLU]

Sarcasm is strong with this one.

[@cristianpereyra6912]

tbh I'm not sure the characters are written

[@axc0mmt]

When Thor said, “it’s Thorbbin time” I truly cried

[@yiannoscyprus]

This comment is making me hazy

[@dexterthielhelm4342]

To me it feels that some of the recent MCU movies should’ve been TV shows, while the MCU tv shows feel like they could’ve been movies.

[@zthxna]

ur so right I feel like eternals would have been way better as a tv show

[@BrokenSIMGlasses]

lets see Black Widow: should have been in phase 1-3 Shang-chi: its okay as a movie Eternals: should have been in TV NWH: definitely a movie MoM: should have never existed L&T: tv would have gave more time for Jane and Gor WV: not too bad of a movie FaTWS: should have never existed Loki: not too bad of a movie What If: definitely should be tv Hawkeye: yeah should have been a Christmas movie Moon Knight: not too bad of a movie

[@scarlettcaporn8765]

@@BrokenSIMGlasses Bang on

[@knightshadowhimself]

@@BrokenSIMGlasses no

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@knightshadowhimself at least give a bloody counter

[@JSK_03]

... one of the movies ever made

[@chasehedges6775]

Yep

[@somerandolad]

It hasn't surpassed Morbius.

[@gonhunter3994]

Yeah

[@irshkashirkle]

Morbius/10

[@matthewdignam7381]

the meme is true here but i don't want it to be the case lol

[@gondalfthewizard]

The Boys, Stranger Things and Better Call Saul have been so great that it really puts everything else in perspective.

[@pranavnnair5]

You're absolutely right. Although I haven't fully caught up on "Stranger Things" as I stopped watching after first episodes of season 3, "Better Call Saul" and "The Boys" have been so good that it's hard to enjoy anything that the MCU puts out.

[@NKinsella1]

BCS is just in a different level tbh

[@metelineblue294]

love the part when he said maybe i am Better Call Saul

[@O1OO1O1]

Let's swap Stranger Things with The Expanse.

[@Drakeman69]

Would have agreed with The Boys up until the season finale. Bad ending to an otherwise fantastic season.

[@1994masja]

In Thor the Dark World you saw character development in Thor and especially Loki, till he faked his death, was good. The brotherly love between Thor and Loki was most of the interesting relationship in the MCU.

[@cringekiller348]

Nope.

[@Queenof09Nicole]

@@cringekiller348 great counterpoint

[@langreeves6419]

It's actually a decent movie. It got chosen as "the bad movie", so even people who've never watched it tell jokes about how bad The Dark World is. Once something is chosen to be the butt of jokes, the truth of how good the movie is no longer matters. It was better than the 1st Thor movie. And it has Chris Evans playing Loki impersonating Captain America. One of the best scenes of the mcu!

[@Falkaisis]

I feel like a lot of people that hate Thor: The Dark World and say it's the worst Thor movie probably haven't rewatched it. It had a great balance in tones as well as pretty good development for Thor in terms of his progression from the first movie. He felt more humble, selfless, caring, capable, clever, intelligent, strategic, etc. He felt like his was someone who was worthy of Mjolnir. Him saying, "I'd rather be a good man than a great king." to me shows how far he's come and proves that he is a great hero. For me, that's my favorite version of Thor in the MCU. Sure most of Thor's supporting cast don't really do much of anything, but in terms of tone and character development for Thor and even Loki, it's pretty damn good.

[@jmeme97]

19:54 My thoughts on this are that Mjolnir was protecting Jane in the sense that she was going to die regardless, and by draining her power and dying in battle rather than on the hospital bed, she earns her place in Valhalla (I know she technically dies after the battle and there was a running gag that you had to die in the battle to be accepted into Valhalla but whatever). And if anyone's wondering why it calls to her in the first place, it does so for 2 reasons that are established in the movie. 1- Because while they were dating, Thor accidentally does some spell when he asks Mjolnir to protect her, and 2- Because she helped make him worthy in Thor 1 and therefore implies she is worthy.

[@isaiahbridges7442]

There's no reason the hammer reforges itself when it does. It could've reforged itself right when it was destroyed. It makes no sense

[@cringekiller348]

@isiah bridges Thor never used mjolnir again. So it didn't reassemble.

[@911nmg]

I really liked Jane Foster on this movie

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Dying with a sword (axes, spears and other weapons do count) in your hands grant you a place in Valhala

[@Newt.--.Jaeden]

Honestly, I found almost all of this movie "meh", but every time Christian Bale was on screen was absolutely brilliant, as I expected. He really carried this movie hard.

[@dexterthielhelm4342]

Personally I think it’s a good idea for Thor to have enchanted mjolnir to protect Jane is a good concept, but the execution wasn’t too well done imo. Plus, Jane, among other characters, just feels like a big miss to me. I had a good time, but it’s not as fulfilling as I was hoping.

[@1untamedbrain]

Are you saying this because you don't think Jane is coming back? Because she's almost certainly coming back.

[@rhetiq9989]

I love how Mjolnïr which was supposed to protect her was the reason she got an early death lol. At first I thought the twist of making the hammer sapping her mortal energy instead of healing her was a neat detour from the comics but then I remembered oh yeah, Thor told it to keep her safe which it did for a while but it also kinda sped up her death…

[@averyfabian9936]

@@rhetiq9989 I thought I heard that was literally the same thing that happened in the comics.

[@izik7220]

@@rhetiq9989 inn the comics when she turns into thor it was killing her each time she turned back to her normal self

[@superjumpbros64]

Yeah, a bunch of good concepts in a terrible executed movie.

[@alltheinnocence]

I remember when the movie was first announced, it was reported that Taika was saying he wrote and finished the whole script in just two weeks, and I remembered thinking at the time, 'Really? You sure you don't want to take longer and really do a couple more drafts, and perfect it? That's kind of a red flag. Seems like you could be setting the movie up for a thin and hollow plot.' But I tried being optimistic after a little bit. I loved Ragnarok, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sounds like most reviews agree that it was the exact problem. Maybe I'll disagree, and maybe I'll love it. But it seems like it makes sense

[@ishaanhall78]

Oh god that makes this movie even worse for me

[@SezMisery]

Honestly I think the story here is pretty good, if you just read it as a summary. It's just poorly executed and rushed... It was just like the movie just handed me the important plot points, and leaving me to fill in the gaps.

[@horizon92lee]

Meh, I’ll take quality over quantity any day. Yes more time sunken into a script can be good to shape it and edit it, but the switch from 2-ragnarok was done so well imo

[@O1OO1O1]

What gets me is: how does the script get a pass? Are they so starved for talent that they can't say, "so, actually... we need you to fix this? Oh, you don't want to? How about you produce it? Oh, you don't want to? See ya"

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@O1OO1O1 Put it out as quickly and cheap as possible because we want to profit now!

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

The Jane/Hammer/Cancer thing is part of the comics. I think the writers were trying to say, “Realistically, taking the power of gifs isn’t good for humans. As a human, Jane has a choice, she can either have the power or she can live longer. She can’t have both.”

[@Boundless-Boredom]

though the reasoning in the comics makes a little more sense. the transformation into thor essentially resets her chemotherapy treatments as its treated like a poison(and magic is stated to not be able to cure cancer a few times) so she isnt speeding up her death wit her tranformation she is just not able to fight the cancer

[@joaopinto2747]

And in the comics she has a more selfless reason to use the hammer. In the comics Thor becomes unworthy and is unable to lift the hammer. But Jane can and the world needs Thor, which is why she does it. In this movie, it almost comes off as if she were doing it for the thrill. A red flag for me was when she explained how she got mjolnir, and she says she thought magic would work. Whereas in the comics, she’s dying specifically because she wants to treat her cancer using science and is adamant about not using magic.

[@epicmusic9029]

Don’t blame the director Alan Taylor of Thor 2, the producers weren’t happy in post production and reshot and changed a lot of the movie, with joss whedon being brought to reshoot a lot of the scenes and malekith’s 20 min backstory being cut, And the deleted scenes showed more emotional weight of Thor,Odin,Loki and frigg. Alan Taylor claimed the movie was drastically changed to the level of the Snyder cut situation, it would make a bit of sense considering the dumb jokes of Thor 2 with a few good Loki jokes.

[@ma100592school]

I felt so dumb for saying I was feeling depressed after watching the film. I’m so glad I’m not alone. Pretty much match up to your thoughts and experience 1 for 1.

[@garethmiguel]

Comic Gorr is an incredible villain and the story heavily draws from and plays on his background and psyche. That's why he is so engaging. What's the point in using him as a villain but ditching the depth? Bale was great but this should have been a pure God Butcher narrative and the Mighty Thor storyline could have been set up for the next.

[@thomaswatson4770]

A few things I didn’t like/things I expected to happen: 1. Why does Thor have to lose someone in literally EVERY movie he’s in? How many times does he need to overcome his trauma? 2. Like you said with the death fake-out, I really thought Jane was going to die and Gorr was going to wish for her to live. This would allow Thor to actually choose LOVE instead of losing yet another person he cares for. 3. The children getting the powers of Thor made literally no sense. “Most of us have never battled anything” But then all of a sudden can fight like Valkyrie. Overall, I enjoyed the movie for what it was. But I was definitely disappointed with it as a whole.

[@philbattiste9649]

Thor not giving his friends his power all the time makes as much sense as Iron Man not making suits for everyone. Literally build an iron man suit for every Avenger, then have Thor declare: "whosoever wears this armor, should they be an Avenger, shall possess the power of Thor!" Boom. The Avengers can now not lose.

[@thesmity31]

1. Heroes who never lose don't make great stories. 2. I don't know how that would give Thor more of a choice about choosing love. He literally chose to spend his last moment with Jane rather than trying to stop Gorr, and that's the only thing he was able to make a choice about when in that "eternity realm" (or whatever that place is actually called) 3. The power of Thor is a powerful thing. The same can be said about Jane about not knowing how to fight, but I personally think it's an alright use of the "viking space magic" narrative tool. I'm not expecting narrative perfection from superhero stories, and things like that are things I can overlook That's not to say you must overlook that or that there aren't other issues (e.g. my issue with the kids was never having seen them before once, not even Heimdal's son. Or how neither Korg or Valkyrie actually died and seemed to just walk off their deadly injuries)

[@RainOn2SunnyDay]

Reading this i realise that gor could've also wished for jane to survive so she could protect his daughter, seeing as he still hates gods and he said he and jane are the same, so it would make a lot more sense for him to entrust his daughter to her instead of thor, then we could have a jane thor disney+ with love

[@xtremekillerman7803]

They 100% missed the ball with Love and Thunder. Gorr is the coolest villain in the MCU to date and yet they fumbled the bag hard.

[@dexterthielhelm4342]

it seems to me that they took the first draft of the script and ran with it. It feels rushed, overly comical, but with some good ideas sprinkled throughout that could’ve been ironed out in a later draft.

[@O1OO1O1]

Disney in a nutshell: spend less to make more. I hope it backfires. I'm certainly not seeing any more Marvel films in cinemas. I'll watch them with streaming, if I even do.

[@porc1429]

@@O1OO1O1 Yeah I hope so. The things they put out now are just meh or bad. And I'm really tired of people just eating it up. I hope after this things would change but I don't think it will

[@porc1429]

Yeah Jane's cancer is treated like a joke. Like what? There's potential there for emotional moments but they just didn't care I guess

[@O1OO1O1]

@@porc1429 good documentary about this called Four Horsemen

[@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky]

@@O1OO1O1 I cancelled Disney+

[@RyansEggyRice]

I think I enjoyed it because I set my expectations so low. Expected 4 or 5/10, found it to be 6 or 7. It’s very aimless at times and CGI sucked at times but I really liked the ending.

[@luckybuckeye2283]

I gave the film a 7. It had its flaws, but for me, this was Natalie Portman’s time to shine and I think she nailed it. This was her best portrayal of Jane Foster in my opinion.

[@rileysnyder611]

I really don't understand what you mean by the CGI sucked, it looked, atleast in my mind, pretty great

[@O1OO1O1]

@@rileysnyder611 But is your mind capable of making good comparisons and identifying good CGI?

[@aidanroffey6744]

I agree man, went it thinking it was gonna suck and come out thinking it was a GOOD movie. 7/10

[@rdwn1999]

@@O1OO1O1 No need to be rude

[@Dangleesak69]

The one thing I absolutely did not like about this movie is how it looks like an advert for a car or something like that. Colours were great but the look of it was just very flat, especially after watching something like The Batman, The Boys etc.

[@mk6rfc1]

probably what inspired those valykrie direct line adverts

[@horizon92lee]

The shadow world cinematography was amazing at least

[@O1OO1O1]

Part of the reason is the use of the LED sceens, the new greenscreen. It can be amazing! They used it for The Batman. But you need a cinematographer who knows how to use it.

[@Dangleesak69]

@@horizon92lee Yes definitely. That whole scene was very creepy in his cave type thing lol. I think the Black & White worked really well.

[@Dangleesak69]

@@O1OO1O1 True, yes. Just surprised as The Mandalorian had some amazing Cinematography and Disney also owns that property. Crazy to think these TV shows have higher quality CGI and effects these days.

[@knucklesthedummy4671]

i watched the movie yesterday and honestly it's the most mixed i've felt on a movie in a while. Everything felt kind of middle of the road everything was just ok.

[@makako7536]

Same it's ok/good but for some reason people hate it more than it should be hated for

[@ogsloppnbiscuiitz1108]

@@makako7536 “for some reason” 👨🏾‍💻🙄

[@AngelOfKanata]

Babe wake up.. Full Fat posted

[@GwydionAE]

The best thing about L&T is that it is getting people to finally admit that not only is the first Thor movie actually good, the second one might not be as bad as most people make it out to be. Not sure that's worth a Thor movie that ignores all growth that came before it, but I'll take the small victories where I can get them.

[@domlo66]

After Endgame gave him a pretty decent resolution, this just felt like they didn't know what to do with Thor. He was just pissing around

[@Jake-qo3mp]

For me man, the only conclusion for Thor was for him to be King. The silliness of him running to goof off with The Guardians and leaving Kingship to Valkryie the Enslaver rather than finally, after 8 years (2011-2019), taking up the mantle like he has in the comics. That signalled doom for me mate. What a gigantic failure they've done with poor Thor.

[@Whimzy74]

I really liked the ending. I thought it was refreshing for the hero to make a plea for peace that wasn't just a warning shot before a fight. Thor and Gorr had both endured tremendous loss but Thor had been able to recover with the love he gained from Jane and friends. Thor understood Gorr's feeling of loss and knew the only thing that could break through to him was a display of love showing Gorr that Thor would choose to spend his final moments with his love. The only thing keeping Gorr from doing the same was the knowledge that his daughter would be alone after he died. I thought it was a pretty powerful plea to Gorr to die with love instead of hate. Saving the world in the MCU is meaningless by now usually resulting in minor character changes and the destruction coming to an end but this one felt like a pretty hefty shift for Thor. Ragnarok is still my favorite MCU but this one was fun and good overall imo.

[@robert_6-_896]

Eh they could of done better it was just so simple and basic with all the money you think they could of had a longer dialogue to have a earned ending instead of him yelling don’t do it and boom it’s all over

[@crackcorn0404]

​@@robert_6-_896 I don't think money matters for length of dialog. I also don't think most people need it spelled out to them. It's pretty obvious that with the Necrosword destroyed, Gorr was thinking clearly again and came to the realization that Thor was not like the Gods he swore vengeance on. Thor didn't abandon his people in time of need.

[@mikecasale438]

Spider Man No Way Home did the hero making peace thing much better

[@callumcranstoun9067]

I liked this movie and it had some fun aspects to it. But it’s got nothing on Ragnarok. I think Taika could do no wrong in my head which hurt the film when I realised it’s actually a mess. I think Thor worked so much better without a love interest and to bring that back seemed like a step backwards

[@kingmuizz708]

It didn't go anywhere. What changed? How did thor change? Spoiler: GORR DID NOTHING OF NOTE. A few gods and all offscreen? Didn't live up to his potential

[@badnoodlez]

Srsly, Jeremy Jahns asked his viewers to give him an example of a good gorr story from the comics. Uh..that one time (literally) he showed up and....butchered the gods? Lmfao

[@Jake-qo3mp]

Right? And Thor was truly character assassinated. Hemsworth (despite being a phenomenal actor and able to pull off Thor perfectly) and Waititi made him a bumbling, insufferable, walking catastrophe, a total screw up who visibly annoys everyone from The Guardians to the Asgardian children to Valkryie. He's a walking, absent minded joke machine in this movie and it's baffling that they could have the potential to have him be so cool and badass and threatening but spend the entire movie making him a weirdo, unfunny loser of a 'God' instead.

[@davidlaid1146]

@@Jake-qo3mp I wouldn't call Hemsworth phenomenal actor,dude isn't an actor more of a gym rat that shows up in a movie

[@Jake-qo3mp]

@@davidlaid1146 I think he can be mate, although I know what you mean. The worst part is, I feel like him pulling this shit with the character alongsidd Waititi, making him this airhead, goofy, stuttering fool version of the character, will give that impression every day of the week rather than give further evidence that the man can seriously act.

[@terminatrix92]

I agree with the review on the whole; this film felt like a shallow experience. Waititi's sensibility is very irreverent and subversive, which makes sense after the self-serious Thor films that preceded it. But now the character was redeemed by Ragnarok, not because the film was funny, but because he was brought-low by the destruction of his world and image. And the Avengers films that followed used his new underdog status to make us empathise with a fallen god. Except now its all basically back to full on brashness and if anything Waititi's refusal to take the character seriously starts to grate. Can't he give one heroic speech without it being undercut? Why is Sif a cartoon character now?? How can you call a character God-butcher but show nothing that he does?? And the Ragnarok play with Damon... its re-doing the same joke as the last film. When your movie is a parody of a parody of Thor does anything that happens matter?!

[@TheCreed1217]

Just shows he doesn't really know what he's doing with these characters but ppl will pat Taika on the back anyway

[@Jake-qo3mp]

Hemsworth (despite being a phenomenal actor and able to pull off Thor perfectly) and Waititi this movie made him a bumbling, insufferable, walking catastrophe, a total screw up who visibly annoys everyone from The Guardians to the Asgardian children to Valkryie. He's a walking, absent minded joke machine in this movie and it's baffling that they could have the potential to have him be so cool and badass and threatening but spend the entire movie making him a weirdo, unfunny loser of a 'God' instead. Worst MCU movie ever made.

[@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky]

@@Jake-qo3mp Yea, idk why Taika decided to make this movie like this. I feel like when a creator makes something of high quality and gets praise for it, a lot of times they decide to turn their back on it. It seemed like he hated the fact they wanted to bring him back on to direct this one, and that he decided to do "what he wanted to" with the film. Idk, I don't really like him. He's a strange dude and he definitely has an agenda, which is dangerous. When creators have agendas, the fans lose.

[@Jake-qo3mp]

@@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky He became an egomaniac with this one mate. Taika 'I'll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby' was determined to destroy Thor.

[@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky]

@@Jake-qo3mp Yea, not cool. Thing is that he thinks he's the king of comedy superhero movies now. False, that honor goes to James Gunn who I consider to be a superior director. Dude makes better movies with less material and most obscure characters

[@LiddlestLady]

i remember looking at my watch and it being 1.5hrs in and thinking to myself, “oh. well? i guess this _is_ all it is then.” it was a bummer. there’s no stakes, no real conflict. there’s no cgi hoard of aliens but…idk…kids? i think the whole kid thing could have been dropped. i have no idea what happened to jane and thor’s chemistry but they were so freaking awkward.

[@tweda4]

I wasn't expecting people to be so down on the film, but at the same time I was curious at introducing female Thor into the MCU cannon. The comics with female Thor were quite odd, and as I recall they weren't massively well received. In your spoiler section, I was unsurprised to hear your confusion about the mjolnir cancer. That was the comics way of getting rid of the female Thor guff, and it was just another example of the bizarre writing from those comics. At the same time though I assumed they would re-write everything (including the Mjolnir cancer stuff) from the story line for the MCU precisely because of the poor writing. Definitely seems as though they've chopped and changed with a bunch of stories. Disappointing that it didn't better click together.

[@blitzblazer8838]

I see the mcsheeps and the Disney stands sticking up for all these movies... This is why nothing will ever get better. Critique is not a bad thing that's what helps people improve

[@metroidfoosion73]

People think optimism means pretending things are good when they aren’t. All that’s going to do is make you turn yourself off to ever actually enjoying content. People need to give up on expecting ANYTHING good from Disney. At some point you have to take the track record they’ve set as a sign that this is the quality we can expect going forward

[@luckybuckeye2283]

Interesting comment, as I in a way agree. Because Phase 4 hasn’t been interesting. Thor: Love and Thunder has been the only film I looked forward to in the MCU only because of the return of Jane Foster. Outside of that, the movies aren’t as interesting.

[@christiandessler8328]

“The more you think about it, the more it falls apart” is unfortunately something that I feel applies to most modern media now. They’re good and amazing in the moment, but fail to hold up in the long run. Felt that way with this season of The Boys too. It’s all so underwhelming and undercooked.

[@audaciousjones]

What's your issue with the Boys?

[@bennett4789]

the boys might have had its best season this year idk what you mean. its really just disney thats dropping the ball

[@Ziaotic]

the boys season was great until the finale, it was dogshit

[@metelineblue294]

@@Ziaotic true, season 3 was almost a perfect season but that finale didn't live to the boys level

[@bennett4789]

@@Ziaotic what was your issue with the finale?

[@littleredruri]

I'm really hoping I feel differently when I go to see it, but the more reviews I see, the more that hope dwindles...

[@1untamedbrain]

It was fucking awesome. I don't understand why people don't like it. They go in thinking it should be one way and ignore all the great shit they actually did do. Gorr was excellent, the Jane storyline was so sad and full of pathos, as was Gorr's journey, it was hilarious, action packed, and I loved the ending. Set up so many awesome new shit for the universe as well. I don't get why people aren't considering this a home run.

[@georgbergsten6050]

@@1untamedbrain yeah it's really strange to me as well

[@NuggetGX]

It was awesome!!! This channel is just a hate hive mind. He just hates things to get clicks and views. Don’t take this guys videos seriously.

[@metroidfoosion73]

@@1untamedbrain i think you probably went in to have a good time with a simple superhero movie, and most people are expecting some high quality Oscar worthy drama. That’s just not what marvel does, but people still don’t seem to get it yet. Enjoy its stupidity and simplicity for what it is, or just accept that marvel movies aren’t for you like I have

[@littleredruri]

@@metroidfoosion73 i hope one day an actual high art marvel movie will come out, worth genuine critical attention.

[@lowru4156]

CONTAINS SPOILER: I must say I actually enjoyed the film quite a bit, and interpreted some things differently, like the kidnapping of the children may not be a point of reference to us but to Gorr. Who now tortures gods with his own pain and sets a trap for them, knowing how far parents are willing to go to protect their children. Who in the end entrusts "his own child" to Thor because he has seen he is not like the god of his planet. In the scene where he talks to his daughter before his death, you can see the reflection of eternity in the water, the fact that only the first one can make a wish and the graphic representation of her powers makes us think that it is not Gorr's child but eternity in the form of his daughter, which would make her one of the most powerful beings. And I would be very interested in the adventures of Thor and Eternity how to beat up Galactus (maybe).

[@zakil89]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. I also loved it a lot!

[@rileyrayburn]

Full Fat Thor >>>> Waititi Thor just saying.

[@FullFatVideos]

Hahaah I’ll take it!

[@undeadhound3402]

He’s even wearing the damn helmet. I salute him.

[@McKaySavage]

My thought on the comedy is that in Ragnarok, beyond the directorial choice, in-universe Thor’s new silly airhead humour persona was to cover his pain of loss. Then in Endgame we saw even that broken down. So if Waititi wanted to do his subversion theme and comedy, I really think we should have seen Thor re-taking his silly persona and Jane playing it straight and we seeing how that wall of humour was what drove them apart. And of course we could see him once again putting it aside when it was time to be hero, as he did in Ragnarok. Either way, his comedy persona should have meant something to his arc and explained why he basically reversed psychologically after we last saw him feeling resolution and whole at the end of Endgame.

[@Psilocybin77]

I think most people are reasonable and appreciate honesty. Your opinions aren't out of cynicism, and it does seem like a dang shame if they wasted the momentum the Thor character had from the previous films.

[@O1OO1O1]

He's a Brit, they're kind of weak and suppress their emotions, lest they anger the Queen. Ha.

[@Psilocybin77]

@@O1OO1O1 I’m Canadian and we also live in fear of her majesty. Vampires ain’t no joke.

[@luckyducky9669]

A few things I didn't like... 1. It leaned in way too much on comedy. The third Thor felt like it sometimes went a bit too far but overall was the best Thor film we've seen so far and while the third Thor sometimes crossed the line undercutting important moments with jokes, the 4th one constantly under cut everything with jokes. Not only that but a lot of the jokes in it fell flat for me. 2. Things not being explained properly or things conveniently being there even though it didn't make sense. The reasoning for why Jane could now lift the hammer was pretty bad and I was expecting much deeper then Thor randomly whispering to it to protect her one time. The kids getting Thors powers didn't make sense and was used just to move the movie along and to have a cool action scene. The fact that there's a center of the universe that grants you ANY whish just doesn't make sense I'm not buying it. That could have been helpful in previous movies and it basically acts like all of the 6 infinity stones combined but it had no build up. Another thing is after seeing this movie I was really hoping the way gods work in the MCU would become very clear but I'm still confused. 3. The Guardians of the Galaxy. I wasn't expecting them to have a huge roll since I know it isn't there movie but they were advertised a lot in the trailers and were only there for a few minutes. It feels like most the things they said in the movie were in the trailer. it's almost like false adverting since they were implying that we would get to see them in more scenes. 4. Something about the pacing was just off and felt rushed. Nothing more to say about that. 5. This ones not as deep and important as the other things but just something that I find really annoying is when everyone gets superpowers. If everyone gets superpowers, it makes the powers seem less special and unique since everyone has them. That's why I don't like the plot of jane becoming Thor. If it was just this movie, I'd let it slide, but there are female alternatives to every superhero from the first Avenger movie, which is just lazy. There's a lady Thor, a She-Hulk, a female Hawkeye, Iron Heart, and we even saw a female Captain America in Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness. This movie frustrated me because I was expecting it to be great, to be better then Thor 3, but it was just alright.

[@michaelthompson3286]

The main thing for me was it just felt like an episode of a TV show, rather than a huge space epic like it probably should have been.

[@mando-ec1009]

"Whosever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." Steve's character and actions over the years supported that concept, we all understood how it was possible when he caught it and started whooping ass. Since the 1st trailer I questioned what made/what would make Jane worthy, and frankly based on what I've heard she isn't

[@joshuasanderson7359]

There's more to it than simply worthiness in this case

[@Mardoxx7]

@@joshuasanderson7359 Like what?

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@Mardoxx7 Like Thor's command to keep Jane safe at all costs. It responded to her, as it sensed her poor health condition.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@jakubrejak1114 But his spell overcome Odin's? Makes no sense even if he is worthy when he does the spell...

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@flaviomonteiro1414 Odin was very weak at the time. He was at that house for elderly people Loki put him in.

[@acunt]

not a fan of the Taiki Thor movies. the overuse of humour takes away from the high stakes, which constantly takes me out of both of these movies. The first two Thor movies aren't good either, but atleast they took their stakes seriously, the problem with those films weren't because they didn't have comedy in them, it was their plots were shit.

[@spider-man500]

What do you expect? This is the MCU. *COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY COMEDY*

[@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky]

I don't like Taika either. He has an agenda and he's trying to push it. When creators have an agenda to push, the fans lose.

[@evanpugh6836]

@@ChrisJohnson-yw2ky every creator and every story has an underlying ideology and agenda. Feeling that a creator "Not having an agenda" probably just means the creator's agenda reinforces your worldview.

[@ThePonderer]

I definitely prefer this one to Ragnarok. If nothing else it feels more ambitious.

[@undeadhound3402]

I don’t mean this with the intent to be snide, but your wording makes me feel it’s not saying much.

[@ThePonderer]

@@undeadhound3402 understandable. I’ve never really been on the Ragnarok Love Train, but I honestly admire Love and Thunder for a lot of what it’s doing and saying thematically. I disagree with this video particularly in the sense that I think this feels entirely like a clear, commuted vision from Waititi the whole way through. Ragnarok was Taika adapting Thor to his style, L&T is *a Taika Waititi story* starring Thor.

[@almarogu1212]

1. If they wanted to give Thor a kid, they should've move the plot about parenting, fatherhood and such. The bad guy, thor finding himself, starlord and his dad, this gold eyed asgardian and his son. Had potential to plant the seed of the plot. Maybe thor losing his eye again and wearing that patch and then seeing his reflection to see himself as odin. Or something to make thor question what his father made of him. So when they give the kid to thor he can understand what being a father is. 2. At some point I though the hammer was going to split while defending the kids, then the kids will try to help the the hammer will find them worthy and we'll have a bunch of mini thors helping him or Jane. (Spoilers.ahead...something like that happened but it was not as rewarding coz it was not his weapon) 3.The hammer draining Jane could have been handled differently. Maybe mjolnir is helping as it can. Or is draining cancer, or something like Chemo, I mean, if you're making it sentient go a little bit further.

[@mcrolify]

i think that the kids part is more rewarding, because how he does is like he's using the Odinforce, showing how he has matured spiritually. Mjolnir part is coherent with the comic, and it makes sense, because the carcer is part of your body, but the chemo is a poison, and Thor resist poisons and pathogen based diseases

[@gelatogremlin]

I dont see how people call dark elves bad, that one scene where loki tricks the main villain with “ i never cared about mom or any of you” actually got me for example. i feel dark elves was fye

[@tnugget2863]

Needs to go another direction again,bale was a good villain, but didn’t feel built up enough for me, he was interesting and had some very cool scenes, like with the shadow realm. The ending was beautiful too, and I agree it does not feel like he had full control I didn’t leave impressed or in awe with what I saw,cgi was always kinda shitty. Thor vs Gorr was kinda underwhelming and lacked a certain crunch. Storm breaker is stupidly overpowered ???? Why is he using his hammer again and why would he need Zeus weapon ????

[@olivercrespo2329]

Disney: “Weak? But… I’m you.” Star Wars/Marvel: “I know… you’re a fucking disappointment.”

[@AtenSol12]

Bruh, the upload time says 12 secnds ago. Bravo me.

[@Malt0d3xtr1n]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was highly disappointed with this movie... and also, almost no Guardians? 🥺

[@b0pe016]

Personally, I think the movie kicks it into gear after the Omnipotent City sequence, and I absolutely love where the movie leaves Thor, but man, this was a big disappointment for me especially with how much I love not only Ragnarok but all of Waititi's recent work. Tough to say this, but man, hard to ignore the very evident flaws here...

[@nimkeejoshproductions]

Cancer is a disease in which some of the body's cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body. In the comics it’s explained when Jane is ‘de-powered’ after a being imbued with Mjölnir, she is technically “restored” because Mjölnir is restoring those cancerous cells, which are seen as a natural part of her, while destroying the chemo, which is seen as a foreign poison. It is not able to differentiate. The film is using the same logic, just doesn’t hand hold the viewer by having a character explicitly state this, rather they simplify it to, “the Hammer is killing Jane.” P.S.: Also, the film does state that the chemo treatment is not helping her; because sadly the reality is even with treatment - cancer can kill you.

[@mystic0screams]

Thanks for giving the comic explanation. I really would have appreciated that in the movie.

[@Riley-ye3gf]

I thought the Korg narration worked pretty well, the tone of the movie was very upbeat and more silly and he adds to that well. But yeah the pacing was odd and the whole quest to omnipotent city in hindsight was just a set up for the Greek gods/ Hercules revenge for another movie rather than adding to this movie.

[@TheJadedJames]

My take is that Love and Thunder is basically a breezy comedy/romantic comedy with superheroes, it has no ambition to be more than that. And if you try to watch it on any other level you're going to be let down. "Why wasn't it just just Mount Olympus?" because it is funnier if the sequence can incorporate more than just Greek gods, even if Zeus is the only one necessary to the plot.

[@philip_james_]

I absolutely loved it. Followed Marvel from day 1, and great to get a mix of genres within the MCU. Fun and genuinely hilarious, and very heartfelt it parts. Was a great ride.

[@ezzahhh]

Really glad I discovered your channel recently by searching up reviews of Obi Wan. You are one of the few that hit on all the exact same issues I had with it and your detailed critique on the direction the franchise has taken as a whole really resonated with me. I can tell when people are not being that genuine about how they feel about a movie or show for whatever reason and it is extremely refreshing to have raw honesty instead of forcing 'positivity'. Respect mate 👊

[@waltermanson999]

I appreciate your honesty. Never change just to please others !

[@jacksonclary6355]

Love your channel man! It’s okay to be negative and I don’t believe a common trend of poor movies means you need to be dishonest about them, we watch you for your opinion and because we like your content

[@TheBadasssnoopy]

The movie was incredibley. undenyinglly.... fine... I watched it today and already forgot about it, but the experience at the time was... fun? kinda? I like it more than the other Thor movies, but I don't really like any of the Thor movies... so yeah... it was just fine...

[@Kyubii01]

If you put question symbols at the end of your ratings how undeniably is it lol. I’m not even gonna put money in disneys pockets. I use to be very choosy when I went to see mcu movies during the GOOD phases . Didn’t even see guardians in theaters . It’s time to be choosy again

[@garrettbaratheon567]

@@Kyubii01 yeah I’ve been an opening night guy for all MCU movies but I’m starting to seriously reconsider, the only way for things to get better is by taking their profit away

[@greatgypsyking104]

I liked it, but it was something that made me want another half hour to flesh out stuff and not have everything undercut by a joke all the time

[@spider-man500]

What do you expect? It's the MCU. Comedy, Comedy, Comedy.

[@JohnMushitu]

I think you should tell it like it is - be it negative or positive. If a movie or series is bad, then it's just that.

[@scottking8189]

It’s very much just a movie, I though bale had some cool scenes with good acting, nothing surprising from him, but like they did the thing they always do and killed him off, the mcu has such an issue with actually keeping villains around, and that leaves us in the situation now where the only villain they can reuse is abomination and zemo. The comedy was different from the mcu, similar to ragnarok but felt a bit more random to feel random. And I just realised that gorr killed 2 gods on screen, and one we didn’t even see him kill, for someone titled the God butcher it would’ve been nice to actually see him kill one that wasn’t partying. Marvel needs to take a few steps back and get that interconnectivity back, having the guardians show up in this doesn’t feel like anything but something they had to do because of the end of endgame. It was nice to see Thor have the single adopted dad vibe, hope they keep it.

[@christianmanka3884]

I quite liked it despite hating what the MCU has done with Thor.

[@Sirenhound]

I have to assume that gender just isn't a thing with Kronans (which makes sense since they don't procreate by having sexual intercourse), and they just go with whatever to help their friends adapt. There could be other explanations for why Korg has two dads and a mum (with a boyfriend he hates), but with the "holding hands over a lava pool" thing, this makes the most sense to me.

[@projekttaku1]

I do love when zeus throws thunderbolt at thor but then he catches it and throws it back to then say "that's the sound of lighting"

[@cherkaouia5541]

It's thorbin time

[@jesse_cole]

You misspoke. Everything *including* the first scene felt incredibly rushed.

[@redmistbluemiss]

I would've made it about them going to different locations assembling a team of different gods to defeat Gorr

[@LaneGamesYT]

I didn't think it was amazing by any means, but I still liked it well enough. Might just be the 2nd best Phase 4 movie after NWH in my opinion, although since a lot of Phase 4 has been pretty meh that isn't a super high bar to clear

[@nm2358]

I thought CG helmets were going to be more of a thing in the film, but Thor wears it once, and his costume, which is admittedly goddy as all heck, is just in direct response to Jane taking his look, so he just over-does his normal armor just to be flashy. Honestly, I loved this movie. The first act feels rushed as its throwing Thor into this situation, but nonetheless, when he's using the Thorforce to empower everyone or opting to choose Jane over death, or being the god Gorr needed, ooph. Love, love, love it all.

[@chrisoffersen]

You said what I couldn’t find the words for. I kept telling people “something is missing. It’s like how you feel after eating sushi. Like, you know you just ate, and it was enjoyable, but afterward you don’t feel like you just ate a meal.”

[@valeriemacias6285]

There's nothing wrong with being "negative" if the content deserves criticism. People are far too sensitive.

[@gavintalksyt]

I agree with you on a lot of this. I actually really liked Natalie Portman in this for the most part. I thought it was a bit strange that they rushed or kind of glossed over her getting the hammer. I could be a bit biased though, I've had a massive crush on her since I was a kid and first saw The Phantom Menace 🤣 Also, not sure if it's just me but Thor felt stronger in Ragnarok than in Love and Thunder. Maybe I'm crazy 🤷‍♂️

[@BreMue]

Same, seeing Natalie be another bad ass again was 90% of the reason I saw it

[@chadkirk925]

This movie fucking sucked. I almost walked out in the first 5 minutes when Korg was retelling Thor's entire character arc as a joke. I was disgusted.

[@Jake-qo3mp]

Worst MCU movie ever. Korg was funny as a Kiwi alien in Ragnarok and Endgame but now he's like special needs level of intelligence. 'Jodie Foster' 'Jane Foster' for Christsake. Like when he references the Warriors 3 dying like they're nobodies 'That guy's dead' 'And him' what the fuck? Taika had no respect even for the earlier movies.

[@michaelb9816]

I really enjoyed the movie. But I was kinda disappointed that we didn't see Gorr kill any Gods, besides the one at the start They showed us a bunch of dead Gods on recordings. But I wanted to see him actually fight one. I was hoping that Zeus would've been in the movie for that exact purpose

[@Jake-qo3mp]

Remember when we thought Gorr would show up and start killing Gods in the Pantheon? Nope. Instead Zeus and his kebab shop accent just dismisses Thor rather than the Gods all legitmately discussing Gorr as a threat.

[@ishaanhall78]

@@Jake-qo3mp that was the dumbest scene ever. why should i care about Hercules going after thor when zeus and his band of idiots did not care one bit about gods being slaughtered all over the universe. you are telling me this has no effect on them whatsoever? no introspection? no panic? nothing? ok guess i will just laugh at Hemsworth being naked and orgies

[@jessicahogan7248]

Even if they just showed us the fight with Sif. Thor cares about this Ice Giant, so it's death is significant. It also gives her a fitting reintroduction as a skilled warrior of Asgard, and explores how Gorr isn't a giant maniac killing everyone by showing why killing Sif was of no interest to him.

[@jarektempleton2104]

It’s weird how two people can come away from the same movie with two completely different viewpoints. - I think the odd effects added a sense of style like Sam Raimi’s cheesy horror. I really like it. - This felt completely like a Taika film to me. The humor landed more often than not. That play scene was even more Taika than the play scene in Ragnarok. The randomness of Thor riding Stormbreaker and doing the splits was so Taika and I loved it so much! - I also thought the movie was beautiful to look at. - I think the scene of him giving the children the power of Thor was delivered with such umph, it gave me chills. It also innovated a line and made Thor sound like an Allfather. - The imagery of Eternity, Gorr and his shadows, the Yggdrasil tree shaped lightning pattern seen when he passes the power of Thor to the children. - The theme of love and not wanting to lose Jane again felt consistent. - The narration by Korg was pleasing, like a rom-com- giving Marriage Story vibes - The beginning looked stylistically pleasing to me and I thought that was the perfect opening - It’s ability to shift tone was half and half; there were some great moments with the shadow realm and Gorr as a scary being was great but there were some moments like Korg’s “death” that created a sense of security with the things we love- like the children will never die and Valkyrie will never die. - The ending note of how they go off to bring peace to the galaxy, one called Love and the other Thunder was so gut-wrenching, I cried. - I think this was definitely around Ragnarok lvl; this one just improved on every stylistic and worldbuilding aspect of Thor: Ragnarok. - I do think the pacing was it’s biggest flaw, but also it’s exploration in Gorr’s actual butchering was lacking a lot compared to the comics. I do also think it’s worldbuilding could’ve expanded to the pantheons a bit more- like Bastet. It also lacked in work and reward when it came to the shadow realm or the center of the universe where Eternity lies. The whole idea of using Stormbreaker as the key was cool. Zeus’s lightning bolt being used was cool, though I agree, it should’ve been given a much more grandiose power that truly separates it from Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. I was never a fan of the first Thor film and I always enjoyed the worldbuilding and exploration potential that the Thor stories had, that’s why I often revisit Thor: The Dark World. I prefer atmospheric legend like storytelling and coloration like Thor: TDW or beautiful magnitude and imagery of Thor: L&T than… New Mexico- or that dark monochromatic realm of the Frost Giants.

[@hungryfs]

its a fun movie. i feel like doctor strange lacked that. and i enjoyed this one so very much. ive stopped going into these mcu movies w the expectation that avengers 3 and 4 put on us and i go in expecting to enjoy a superhero movie w characters that i know and love

[@Josema234]

It was time to make Thor question is life in terms of being a god, bringing back his failure with thanos but ultimately showing he’s forgiving himself and gets even more hope with the new mighty Thor who’s been risking her life to protect earth. Giving a new sense to what being a god means. Gorr should’ve injured badly Zeus and after he learns that Thor finally forgave him and took her daughter to protect her, that way the post credit scene still makes sense. This would’ve 100 times better than what they did.

[@gryfon_gamez8184]

The biggest flaw with this movie is Gorr's plan to kidnap kids so thor will come rescue them so he can steal Stormbreaker Because his entire plan banks on his philosophy being wrong, he believes that the gods don't care for their people and yet he thinks thor will come and rescue the kids Gorr believes he doesn't care about

[@iamnotyourall]

I'm learning that you and I have opposite opinions lol (Still love hearing your thoughts though ❤️). To me Ragnarok felt more like an snl skit, and L&T felt more like a comic book made into a movie. I much preferred this one

[@litcomicsproductions5359]

THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER is a reminder that no amount of money can compensate for poor planning or low effort, both in crafting a compelling story and depicting cinematic spectacle. Two hours of antiseptic images support a ramshackle “script” that stumbles to a baffling conclusion.

[@MoneyGist]

One of my favourite videos on your channel is the one about Doctor Who's Heaven Sent. Actually took me a while to figure out why I loved your Doctor Who series. It's the same reason I love channels like Nerd Writer and Every Frame A Painting: While it's relatively easy to shit on a bad movie, not many reviewers can explain why a story was really good. You do that really well. It's simply delightful listening to someone so enthused explain why a story I really loved was even better than I realized. Makes me want to re-experience it all over again. It's possibly why reaction videos are exploding all over KZbin. This may be why you're getting the feedback about being negative. Perhaps people just enjoy watching you talk about what you love rather than what you hate. You clearly do as well. You're uniquely good at pointing out what makes a piece of entertainment so great. Maybe not as good at explaining why they're not. You don't really have to talk about every movie or TV show that comes out. You can do more about content you actually enjoyed and want people to watch. Speaking of movies I enjoyed and would love to hear your take on, have you seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? Do that one.

[@onimi66616]

This. 100% this.

[@REDANDSILVER741]

This movie is far better than Ragnorok. The loss actually fees impactful now.

[@nope53926]

It feels like the directors/producers don't learn anything from previous film failures. Either that or the MCU is now for 12 year olds and they no longer care about adults.

[@juniornxumalo3225]

Honestly, I expected all the gods to die. They were supposed to flex their muscle and show us that they weren't afraid to kill big characters off. This would have been the perfect movie for Odenson to die in.

[@o.8.p149]

Chris Hemsworth wants to keep going as Thor

[@MrBepis-qx5ye]

You forget Taika Waititi is directing. All the serious moments in this film, if you can call it one, were ruined by piss poor jokes. Taika himself admitted he did not care much about the plot for this movie.

[@spider-man500]

Never liked Comedic Thor in the first place. This just made it even worse for me.

[@1994masja]

Thor need to grow as a character, take responsibility, not figure out who he is. He is not an teenager Asgardian anymore. He has been to so much tragedy. He has to be a man. /Grownup god.

[@Jake-qo3mp]

They must make him King at some point. His arc was building to it for 8 years (2011-2019), he's become King now in the comics and it's just baffling that they're just going to keep him stagnant be it messing around with the Guardians or now with Gorr's daughter. They must make him King.

[@NinjahDuk]

I think the problem stems from the fact Thor hasn’t been taken remotely seriously since The Dark World was so badly received, his character has been on a downward trend since. They don’t know if he’s the butch macho guy or the funny haha he hit a window guy, and then tried to make him both and it’s really not working. Which means even what should be a serious and character driven movie isn’t that because we don’t know what his character even is anymore. ESPECIALLY if you’re going to retread old ground with Jane Foster, out of nowhere for seemingly no reason other than to write her out of the MCU on screen and not leave it up to a throwaway line in whatever movie Thor mentioned she left. IDK, the movie was fun to watch. Too much gold, but fun.

[@Goonlord]

I thought I was going crazy before seeing this video. All the initial reactions I've seen have been so positive for this movie, I just don't get it. Thor showed such promise as a character and this movie looked to capitalise on it, and yet, it just didn't? Gorr gave the movie SO MUCH to work with but it was all squandered. So many questionable decisions Also, what the fuck is with society's perception of sexual assault/harassment that we can have a man restrained and his clothes removed without consent and it's played for laughs? Imagine the genders were swapped and the crowd of (now) men are oogling a naked, bound woman? This shits crazy man like wtf

[@akihikosanada2020]

Yeah double standards don't exist lmao

[@onimi66616]

Jesus Christ, don't cut yourself on that edge you're carrying. What are you - 15?

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

@@onimi66616 Edge? No he’s got a point

[@onimi66616]

@@Ammoniumbicarbonat No he does not - he's simply trying to stir shit up because he doesn't like jokes in his comicbook movies. He - and you - can fuck right off.

[@Bindersquinch]

I’m genuinely surprised that everyone hates the costume so much. It is my favourite costume to date. I loved the colours popping and how vibrant it was. I genuinely liked this movie a lot, and bales performance was really good. I also have to wholly disagree with all the comparisons to the dark world. The dark world is dull and drab, and there is (to me) no comparison. I literally can never remember malakeths name unless I’m reminded, I thought Christopher was wasted in that movie, and to say that TTDW looked better than love and thunder is a very big leap. I appreciate that you still continue to make videos despite your growing frustration with big Disney projects, and I can tell you really speak from the heart and just want to enjoy these movies, however. So keep up the good work.

[@porc1429]

Visiting Mount Olympus would've been so much better than Omnipotence city. Like the gods just hang out there I guess? Would've been cool if the gods are in their own place and we got to see Mount Olympus

[@ramirocastano7444]

This movie is like eating nothing but cotton candy with no veggies and no protein is a really good way to describe this film to me.

[@Lsd1021]

Gorr is not the type of villain that you have for a COMEDY. Like choose Mangog or any of the other countless goofy Thor villains

[@xero1048]

I’m in the minority apparently, because coming out of this movie I really really enjoyed and thought it was better imo than ragnarok. I personally don’t understand the negativity people have towards it.

[@MoneyGist]

I'm happy to tell you, you're NOT in the minority (no matter what KZbin reviewers tell you). It was a fun movie, even if some people were disappointed they didn't get the EXACT plot they expected from the comics.

[@aaronconway4435]

I think the timing of the plot was a bit weird - why not have the 'black and white' fight first, and lose Stormbreaker, then they need Zeus' Thunderbolt to reach Gorr again, and show how the rest of the Gods are too naive/don't care, proving Gorr's point that the Gods need to die

[@BigMac0369]

Are we gonna get a video on the finale of The Boys S3?