Thor Love & Thunder's Bad VFX Couldn't Have Been Any Better!

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So, the VFX in Thor: Love and Thunder we're pretty bad. But there's something that I don't think many people realize. Now, normally a standard VFX shot, as with most things in movie making, requires quite a bit of forward planning.
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But, for Thor: Love and Thunder, they were still kind of writing the script WHILST it was being filmed!
And so, using this movie as an example, I'm going to show you what happens to the VFX when you don't plan ahead, and how the VFX in Love and Thunder, literally couldn't have been any better.
So let's just take a look at this opening scene that may appear straightforward enough. Apart from extending the backgrounds and other enhancements, we might even be fooled into thinking that the majority was done practically... And it could have been so, if it wasn't for these constant adjustments.
For example, you would think that the interior of this Oasis would have been a practical set, and indeed it was, until they decided they wanted it to look greener and lusher, and so it had to be augmented digitally. The sequence when Gorr cuts himself originally had a whole fight scene with the holder of the Necrosword before it... and the blade on the set was originally angled like this... However, due to the change in the screenplay and in order to achieve this effect later in the scene...the sword had to be set in this position right here.
This meant the vfx teams had to change the angle of the sword in the original plate, even though it made little or no sense that he would crawl toward the corpse or cut himself on a blade that was lying completely flat.
Later on in the scene, we meet the god Rapu, whom you'd think would just be an actor, in a costume, on a physical set, which indeed he was... until... they decided to make some artistic changes.
During principal photography, the actor looked like this and in the final movie, he looked like this
Not only did the VFX Artists have to scrap all of his costume for every single frame, they also had to junk the original sets that the costume touched. So Rapu's whole performance, costume and parts of the set that had been built were reduced to this:
And all had to be reconstructed in post.
The scene continues and Rapu grabs Gorr by the neck and lifts him up
On set, this was done practically with this guy here providing Gorr's swinging motion. However, they weren't happy with the motion they achieved and since Rapu already had to be CGI, they also built Gorr in 3D and just stuck their faces on. However, Rapu and Gorr were the lucky ones! Other characters were cut entirely. Like this guy here... This guy in red... and this character here these characters were all part of the fight with the holder of the Necrosword scene that was removed.
This constant call for story changes and digital enhancements continues throughout the entire opening scene, so in the end, this small 6-and-a-half-minute portion of the movie, actually required 150 VFX shots!
No wonder then that in total, Love and Thunder racked up over a whopping 23 hundred VFX Shots!
Much like the opening scene, The Recap of Thor's life montage also required digital backgrounds, enhancements, and augmentations.
All the typical visual effects that they usually do because it is either too difficult, too time-consuming, or too costly to achieve practically...
But yet again...
Artistic changes and screenplay adjustments made for a lot of extra effects that could have been avoided.
Take this scene, like a lot of scenes in the movie, It was shot using ILM's StageCraft, which is basically a massive wall of LED screens that can show any imagery you want.
The VFX teams created digital environments that could be displayed on these screens and used as a "Live set" background
Unfortunately, Love and Thunder's final backgrounds had to be so detailed that they would be too heavy for the current hardware playback limitations.
So the backgrounds they made for every shot in the movie that used the StageCraft volume had to be substituted for the revised and more detailed versions later in post.
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[@SzymonAdamus]

They are not super villains. They're a perfectly real corporation that behaves like all, under-regulated, corporations do - it wants to get its hands on all the world's money.... and that's it. It's not the people or the artistic values that matter, it's the columns in Excel.

[@KrunoslavStifter]

Quite true. And if you add woke insanity to the mix, you have a modern Hollyweird. Best to let it die on its own or put it out of our misery and allow something more healthy to take its place.

[@SameerKhan-oi5bp]

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[@mikekolokowsky]

So congress should get involved and mandate better vfx and CGI? The writing was lousy, it wouldn’t have helped this movie.

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@mikekolokowsky its ridiculously over the top like the last one, just more of it. Taiko prob hjad the egos of all the stars to deal with plus his own. dam. i liked it, it tried and showed us the marvel afterlife. Also introduced Hercules and the god of wine and drink, Bacchus.

[@carlosrivas1629]

Bacchus should be Charlie Day, period.

[@Azrael__]

I don't usually even actively notice this type of bad CGI, but I can feel it. When I'm watching modern MCU movies I just feel like I'm watching weightless, plastic-like cartoons that don't exist in any type of physical space.

[@ryancols]

It's been this way for half the life of the franchise

[@jassphantom9884]

word

[@saanasalonen8684]

@@jassphantom9884 big up my man!

[@ElieBoutros1]

It has been like this since Age of Ultron, that’s when Marvel started taking a dip in quality, while there are some bangers after that, the majority of Marvel, since the first Iron-Man, isn’t all that great, at least in my opinion, like there are only a few movies that I can pick out that are worth rewatching, the rest are fillers to me.

[@xpellidagoat]

@@ElieBoutros1 the best is infinity war

[@CurriedBat]

This movie could be a how-not-to-produce-a-film-film

[@mikekolokowsky]

Apparently, Tahiti Waikiki the director shot over four hours of crazy sequences. It got cut and cut and cut. Amazing to me how a big executive signs off on spending a hundred million plus dollars for a movie that doesn’t have a final script or a game plan. Every scene that gets dropped is like half a million dollars in the trash.

[@mynameisjonas4191]

​@@lichoscar apparently Waititi is confident and wealthy enough to trust the process. The guy is so well known that doesn't need to fear much about such things anymore.

[@cadensam7]

The black and white moon scene is still cool af, and my mind will not be changed

[@purefoldnz3070]

one of the worst movies ever made.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@cadensam7 bahahahahahahahahahaha ...but seriously

[@faaip]

The problem is marvel trying to aggressively push so many movies and tv shows per year. The fact the planning was so poorly done with so many edits shows they need to slow the heck down and actually plan this stuff out rather than just have planning as an exercise. If their first movies had this much "fix in post", they'd have gone bankrupt and failed.

[@SweetCandyDragon]

They definitely need to slow the heck down. There was an Ant Man movie that came out last month (I haven’t heard anything about it and I could care less) and I saw a trailer for the next Guardians of the Galaxy yesterday. I skipped the trailer because I don’t care about these marvel films anymore

[@DanielDuhon]

No they need to STOP MAKING MOVES! All they are doing is making crap movies when there’s no more story to follow

[@L3HMANNN]

KISS .... They're worse than Burger King. Throwing everything at the menu to see what sticks. Go with quality over quantity. Makes for a much better experience.

[@randwilliams5552]

It's not even just the output, which would be bad enough, but Director's wanting to constantly change and redo things that should have been polished and set in stone before the VFX team got their hands on anything is killing the final product. Everyone on that set deserves to be there and spent time to make things were as good as they could have been for what was asked of them. How can you expect them to do better on a second draft with less time?

[@zootin6688]

@@SweetCandyDragon i would definitely separate the guardians movies from most other marvel films. they're the only movies that actually feel like the director got to actually do his job, and make a movie that has its own style/voice. im happy to say that the new gotg movie actually has me excited for a marvel movie for the first time in years, just because james gunn has proven he can do what he whats with those movies, with very little studio interference. still scared the cgi wont be very good though, given this marvel trend. the first two actually had pretty great cgi (to me at least), but these last trailers have had some scenes that look a lil off to me.

[@placebo_yue]

They are abusing CGI. Someone should tell the director or whoever took those stupid decisions to suck it up and move forward with the movie

[@jamham69]

If anyone needs reminding, the original jurrassic park still looks amazing. that was 93, and kept digital effects to a minimum by using practical effects wherever possible. That film has aged like the finest wine.

[@ryancols]

​@@jamham69 if anyone needs reminding evil dead remake is far newer and looks solid

[@VolcanoPheonix]

@@jamham69 the guys behind the cgi in jurrassic park had to fight hard so it would be used, the original plan for all the cgi shots was to use stop motion puppetry

[@maurne7020]

@@jamham69 no they don't

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

​@@maurne7020yes, yes they do

[@TheJohnWhites]

From the black panther train scene on, I've never blamed the VFX artists, it's always on the studio/director

[@njux1871]

almost always*

[@nishaadjadhav]

i keep hearing people talk about that scene yet i still dont see any lapses in cgi, could you pinpoint things from the scene so i know what to look for

[@Azrael__]

@@nishaadjadhav It just didn't look real, especially when their masks were on and they were fighting. It's kind of looked like a video game fight mostly because (and I'm just using what I think are the correct terms, I'm no pro) the lighting and texture of the suits were wrong. Also, there was some weird editing possibly to hide the CGI, but most likely because since it was fully CGI it was difficult to capture the effect of a real camera recording the fight.

[@woIfson]

@@nishaadjadhav time to get new eyes? like seriously that scene is horrible and cartoonish

[@arandombard1197]

@@Azrael__ It just wasn't finished. They were told to do that shot 4 weeks before the premiere. It's insane.

[@conyo985]

Man this just shows how bad Disney/Marvel are. Also I blame Taika too. His ego got bigger because of his past success. He needed someone to reign him in.

[@user-ef7kt5sf6o]

I think for this film it’s mostly the blame on taika but for films like black panther with the train scene it’s more the studio

[@ryancols]

​@@user-ef7kt5sf6o it's all or nothing

[@TVperson1]

I'd love to see the Disney CEO try to do an effects shot while all the artists laugh

[@DrakeOola]

Do taika is a bad?

[@saanasalonen8684]

@@DrakeOola taika is awesome but he used to understand budget and how to work with it as an visual artist but it seems he has forgotten that.

[@AndrewCortesi]

The number one red flag is starting to shoot before the script was done. The studio wouldn’t have so many problems with the production had things been planned out from the start.

[@jamham69]

and thats what happens when it isnt a man that makes a film, but a boardroom.

[@thunderlipsjoe216]

Yes and to a small degree no... To be fair every producer and director round table tends to remark every screenplay is written 3 times. The og script, then during shooting as ideas happen but also solutions are needed when the set cannot replicate what's on the page, then a 3rd and final time in post (you shoot like 10 times more movie than what ends up the final cut). Also, yes, these same round tables all agree if it is crap on that first 'page' then no amount of director or vfx/post super powers can make it not suck.

[@voltinator]

@@thunderlipsjoe216 There's a little of that in every movie sure. The directors in this case have to make the little innovations that come up during filming connect with other scenes or not violate other scenes down the road. This is probably why Taikka turned Love&Thunder into a comedy so that the cause and effect was less important than the joke in every scene. But ultimately with an incomplete screenplay you get madness and chaos on set. I don't know if this was foisted on Taikka with a short deadline or he simply couldn't come up with a reasonable story with what he was given. But ultimately someone should have stopped the madness and sat down to refine the story pages to get a better resolution.

[@mr.alkenly889]

I mean the shinning was rewritten many many times but it is still heralded as a good movie

[@shanekixmiller2133]

It's hilarious that they had built the Oasis set and then went back and mess with it digitally. Does anyone remember legend from 1985? That film has some of the most lush and beautiful Forest I have ever seen and I always assumed that they filmed in an actual Forest. I was blown away when I learned that all of that was soundstages. So, if they could do it so well back in 1985, there's no excuse for this now. Love and thunder was garbage. I was so angry when I left the theater. Especially since I loved Ragnarok so much.

[@graymoon3000]

Agreed. Legends sets were Legend lol

[@ynkybomber]

Craftsmen are all gone bro

[@darkblades1201]

Dagobah was also a practical set

[@flam7469]

They did the same thing with The Thing prequel. Created all the practical effects, then went with sloppy CG.

[@Marvolo14]

The lightsaber duel in The Force Awakens was also all done on a soundstage set. The forest was all created in camera, and cgi was only used for set extension, backgrounds, sky, and the lightsaber vfx.

[@allyourpie4323]

There are times when this applies: "Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything now, and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want." - Scotty to La Forge

[@GreenMagic0]

Fun Fact: In that thor flick scene, Chris Hemsworth was not actually nude. He was wearing pink shorts which they CGI-ed later.

[@carlosrivas1629]

Figured that.

[@user-ef7kt5sf6o]

Didn’t chris say he got naked

[@salvadorromero9712]

Really? That's ridiculous. I guess it's better than "butt doubles" as they used to have but if true it was certainly due to his lack of confidence in his posterior. Thought he'd be more chill than that but just shows you anyone can have "body image" issues. It also looks from these and some other set footage that the butt wasn't the only thing that received a bit of CGI in that scene.

[@dest5218]

@@salvadorromero9712 doesn't mean he has lack of confidence in his body, but even if he did big whoop man, lotta actors don't wanna go nude for any reason, pretty okay if you ask me

[@avithedev]

@@salvadorromero9712 is upset he didn't see Thor's butt

[@BthIX]

People say this movie has bad CGI from a couple goofy shots but don't realize that whole sequences like the intro are almost entirely CGI instead of practical sets. That goes to show how talented the VFX artists are

[@LuckyOwI777]

same with She-Hulk. Everyone complaining how horrid the vfx are, and then glossing over all the amazing, flawless work that happened, like she dress in the one sequence. Stuff like that. People want to just harp on anything that's not perfect. Also, there' were other struggle with She-Hulks vfx, but I won't get into that lmao. Other hurdles that people that knw nothing wouldn't even think about. Just complain complain complain.

[@ShadowRulah]

​@@LuckyOwI777 Nobody cares about all the times you don't pee on the floor.

[@aliensoup2420]

@@LuckyOwI777 Yeah, like did you notice in 2001:A Space Odyssey how some of the spacecraft had no perspective shift, like they were 2d cutouts? Gawd the effects in that movie were terrible. (sarcasm intended)

[@LuckyOwI777]

@BEANSPOBBLES Read my comment again, then come back. Also, plot has nothing to do with what we're talking about, and I didn't comment on that And I'm not "glossing over" anything. But pop off, I guess

[@LuckyOwI777]

@BEANSPOBBLES People complaining how horrid the VFX are, specifically. When they have no knowledge about the industry. Poeple love harping on the few bad things, and completely ignore all the stuff that's actually done well. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't read my comment, and lack the skills to udnerstand what I'm talking about. Also, not talking about any of the movies here. Alhtough my point still stand for those as well. I'm not talking about the plot of anything. I'm not talking about how good or bad a move or show is overall. Please show me where I talked about any of that, which you keep bringing up. I'm only talking about people complaining about poor VFX, and exaggerating beyond belief. Refusing to ever look at anything that's done well. You're acting like I'm sitting here saying She-Hulk was a great show, and people should never complain about anything. when that's not even close to what I said. But if you feel the need to shove words in my mouth and complain I'm talking about stuff that I'm not actually talking about....you do you. I love how your entire argument against me, is taking the last sentence of my point and playing it out of context, lol.

[@pinadibenedetto8204]

Can I just say, thanks for speaking slowly, clearly and with a relaxing tone, for not rushing your talkingbon video, like others shooting similar content have the tendency to do, which gives headaches just by trying to understand what they say

[@RhysClark97]

Taika's approach to film-making also puts a lot of stress on larger budget productions, he likes the naturalistic spontaneity of improv which can work really really well when done right, the problem is this introduces post production changes that in already expensive movies like this leads to absolutely ballooning production costs if the VFX artists are expected to spend years on it, so marvel doesn't let them, Marvel sets a release date, knowing the movie will look bad and just expects the audience to go see it nyways.

[@rejectionperfection250]

I was a vfx artist on a Disney+ show that came out last month, and the studio was CONSTANTLY making these types of nit-picky little changes to the production in post. It always took a ton of time away from the big vfx sequences because they never moved deadlines to allow for these changes, making everything in the show look much worse in the end. To add insult to injury, none of the vfx artists were featured in the credits except for the supervisor and project lead.

[@StuartLugsden]

1) I feel sorry for the people in VFX industry. I can't imagine working in such a horrible environment and getting such horrible treatment. Its not right and hope one day you'll be able to unionise and put an end to it. 2) When you say studio do you mean Kevin Feige? Because I wonder how much involvement he has when it comes the VFX now, especially now with his attention always split across multiple projects.

[@Yuvsore2]

03:54 Great analysis. But I am still wondering how the green man was able to finish that banana. 02:31

[@IvoPavlik]

VFX bro :-D

[@Zlittlepenguin]

Ngl this actually did kind of open my eyes a little bit. It must be infinitely frustrating to have to go through reshoots and effectively just have to do entire scenes digitally and try to make it look good. I dunno man, Disney just doesn’t have any idea what it’s doing anymore… they really need like a year off from releasing anything lol

[@Vynzent]

Seriously with the amount of changes they do they might as well shoot everything in front of greenscreen with even the costumes just being greenscreen. Since they will throw out most of the image anyway.

[@rheawelsh4142]

It's actually insane to think that there are people out there who are fully comfortable asking for an entire set to be Remade as a 3d model, wasting dozens of hours from talented artists who could have spent that time making the action sequences shine, because "I want the opening scene to be greener"

[@umbertold]

My, oh my. I love your explanations of behind scene moves and invisible workers.

[@handcoding]

I really appreciate this analysis, and I’d love to see more videos like this!

[@IvoPavlik]

You can. You just subscribe and send a few pennies as a form of appreciation. Simple as that ;-)

[@alcrian8627]

The problem was Taika Waititi. We all had a glimpse back in Thor Ragnarok but people ignored it. We have two Thor's portrayed by the same actor: the one before and after Taika. Thor is now a silly, dumb character with a few seconds of sobriety. He even stated that he doesn't know Thor as a character and he doesn't care. It's a shame.

[@nrelationship]

Agreed

[@johannduplessis3467]

Why was he given the job if he doesn't know the character?

[@unknown3158]

@Neil Deep The OP didn’t mean Chris but Taika or whatever his name.

[@ryancols]

Nope he's silly in Thor 1 and 2

[@johannduplessis3467]

@Neil Deep He said he doesn't care to know the character

[@andrewreiersen]

The green man in the back was obviously CG

[@scoobydoo23320]

People often wonder, is screenwriting important? And this is exactly why it is. During the screen writing process you not only develop the story you plan out dialogue, the locations, the action scenes and how actors move in them. The script acts as the plan or blueprint with a unfinished or rushed one you get mid production changes that can be hard to work around.

[@ranchandard2840]

How about they focus on the story line instead of the VFX?

[@Reflect21]

Still terrible, video would be too long

[@LoneliestGuyintheUniverse]

The director will still change or scrap any good ideas on any well written stories.

[@astrinymris9953]

Taika Waititi doesn't care about story, or at least not in his Marvel films. He believes superhero movies should be flashy and ridiculous. I feel sorry for Christian Bale, who really tried to deliver a good performance. Pity he didn't talk with Tom Hiddleston before taking the role.

[@XMysticHerox]

@@LoneliestGuyintheUniverse It's not even just the director. It's corporate boardrooms demanding movies be a certain way rather than paying someone with a good idea.

[@andybrice2711]

I've been noticing this for years in Marvel VFX breakdowns. They make props, sets, and costumes which are not quite up-to-standard for a big budget film. And then just end up rotoscoping out everything and replacing it with CGI. Seems like a massive waste of resources. They should either make a decision beforehand, or just shoot the whole thing on green-screen.

[@Heizemann]

And still: this scene with gorr vs the god was the best scene in the movie (mostly due to bale getting a chance to actually act)

[@dscataglini]

I used to get crazy requests (I was asked to change the color of some building after I delivered a 3 minute animation) by people in the late 90s, because frankly they didn't understand how vfx work. It's not the 90s and Marvel knows very well what goes into vfx. Artists are taken for granted, vfx companies have to buckle to demands all the time, because once they take the job, it's their name on the line

[@joseph7858]

very well narrated and demonstrated: thank you for this insight! 😊

[@sailorsenshi6]

Definitely the later, Marvel demanding last minute changes, imposing impossible and nonflexible deadlines, going for directors that lack the understanding and experience and will to actually understand and acquire the experience needed for a VFX heavy production and ultimately over relying on the usage of technology that is still being developed and putting it in the hands of the directors mentioned above. CGI is a tool in the hands of a visionary director, it supplements his vision, he/she builds that storytelling with that tool, but lately Marvel seems to be building the story around an idea with heavy usage of CGI. A great early example is the opposite company's Superman Returns. That movie contained the plane scene from the Superman Flyby script which for the time was truly magnificent on the screen. So basically they build a 150 minute theatrical cut around that scene and well, that went well...

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

I remember people at Marvel stating that they purposefully seek out these small directors so that the studio has all the power in the partnership. They essentially look for directors that they can bully and push around. The fact that they go for these directors that lack experience is 100% intentional on the studio.

[@yarugatyger1603]

I'm acquainted with some vfx artists at Trixter, they all stated marvel was a bad client and always wanted every done shot reworked and overworked, even when the deadline was already close.

[@NeoKaiser0]

I feel bad for the VFX artists. Not only are they treated horribly and get the blame, but they also have to do all this work with a broken heart.

[@vgm_composer]

I've been in companies where they ruin everything in post so I totally get this. Great vid! Tell mr green i love his music!

[@covagotnext8337]

Tony's suit looked so real and amazing in Iron man 1. That was the 1st MCU movie. And Ironman's suit looks better in that movie than it does in Endgame. Which is one of the biggest movies of all time

[@corruptangel6793]

I honestly thought it was common knowledge that it wasn't the VFX artist's fault. Damn, I feel even more sorry for them now

[@mambaman3632]

If they are indeed the bullies they have been accused of, then they are super villains. Thanks for breaking things down the way you always do. It is enjoyable to see your technical skills on display in these breakdowns of VFX in movies.

[@nerulon089]

I miss the early 2000's when every year a new technology came out and challenged everything before. Movies like The Matrix for example.

[@bikechan9903]

Talks about early 2000s Mentions movie from 1999 Excellent

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Star Wars Episodes 2 & 3, LOTR, Spiderwick Chronicles, Iron Man, Captain America, Harry Potter...

[@rodryguezzz]

There's Avatar. Dune also has some impressive stuff mixed with practical effects.

[@OsloTime]

I always learn so much from your channel!

[@calelsun]

I liked the god in the oasis and his original costume more. Yeah the cgi version was prettier but i think the original version looked more like a nature based deity in how organic and crafted it looked

[@IvanDP1994]

Well it’s like how capitalism works. Firstly it’s boost the progress, but then, when money flow starts to go down, it starts functioning the opposite.

[@madtabby66]

Thanks! Just because I love the evolution of your channel

[@FameFocus]

Thanks!!! ^^

[@caephusagnola3493]

This video was short, Informing, well edited, had a point and stuck to it, perfectly executed and didn't have uncle jokes. Something I haven't said in a while watching KZbin. 👍

[@chrisk.1539]

Deadpool's brother background eating banana with the mask😅😂👍.

[@Sellner82]

Once green guy whipped out a banana I lost my attention span😂

[@Derekstefan]

This is actually really informative and insightful. Also in the description, it is "were pretty bad" not "we're pretty bad".

[@StevesGuide]

Fascinating video! Possibly a dumb question and apologies if it has already been answered; how did you get hold of the rushes? Is all the footage shown publicly available?

[@ryanlever6418]

Hey @Fame Focus Got a vfx question for you ? Which software do you prefer to use Nuke or After effects or something else ?

[@FameFocus]

AE all the way!

[@ryanlever6418]

@@FameFocus really i love node based work like nuke but i keep hearing good things about AE

[@oliverhilbert8143]

Just throwing 2 cents in here. Apples and oranges imo. VFX processes (in film) pretty much require Nuke. Sure both are compositors. Both are great tools. Both can achieve equivalent images but does not mean AE is the right tool for the job ;)

[@TheMCricket]

@@oliverhilbert8143 Not just film, tv shows! High end publicity as well

[@ryanlever6418]

@@oliverhilbert8143 Yeah I mean I love nuke I am a sad person who can enjoy doing roto for hours in it hahaha.

[@shahidmalik9184]

I was one of the the Lead VFX artist on this movie. I appreciate your take on this issue.

[@StuartLugsden]

Can I ask, was Taika to blame for the constant changes or was it the studio? A lot of the time it's said that it's the studios fault for changes but here I feel its both.

[@normanfooteii5300]

This is the first video of yours i'm watching so pardon me if you normally get into what i'm about to ask, but i'd love to know what the financial differences (roughly) are for some of these scenes that used more cgi, or just not really have the script as fleshed out.

[@Chaka2nd1]

Wow! Great video essay. I love it, and that is no VFX lie ;) To your point, though, Marvel DC-ed Thor Love & Thunder. Or Marvel totally Henry Cavil/Joss Whedon Justice League Thor Love & Thunder. Also, you can use all the VFX you want. It cannot replace good storytelling, which is what happened. Even Chris Hemsworth did not really enjoy the last one; he said so. On another issue, Marvel, ever since the success of Avengers Endgame, they have been pushing and pumping out Marvel films like rubber ducks on an assembly line. Even rubber ducks can be boring after a while. This is why now they are slowing down, thanks to Bob Iger. But the push for VFX affects films and shows such as Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. Not gonna lie. Ms. Marvel is a slog to get through. And She-hulk's transformation in the first trailer made her look like a Pixar character. This is why I have yet to watch it, yet. As I said in the beginning. Excellent video essay. I cannot wait to see the rest.

[@baron6148]

Let's all appreciate the VFX team for carrying this "film" single handedly

[@BartokandBadIdeas]

Okay so rapu's design definitely was greatly improved in post imo but it would've been better to just reshoot than cgi a slightly different helmet. Further evidence to the fact that practical effects should be used as much as possible

[@WhiteManBehindADesk]

Good luck to the VFX artists working to unionise.

[@LeSpicey]

You forgot a few VFX studios who worked on the movie, but yeah, it was a mess of a movie to work on

[@heckensteiner4713]

00:13 I worked in VFX on 3 Marvel movies and 1 Disney+ show. This is how all of their movies are made nowadays. 75% to 95% of the final movie you're watching is reshoots due to constant script changes. It wasn't quite as bad in the early days when they needed a lot of careful planning and there was less CG. But now, their are constantly remade as they're filming which can lead to a garbled, clumsy, and rushed mess of a film.

[@Man_iCR8]

Good day, is there a way I can link up and be tutored by you?

[@HoodedHavoc]

I remember thinking a lot of the odd vfx shots like the floating head was meant as an homage to old school 80's movies. Though the pressure the vfx com0anies working with Marvel at this point is sad to imagine.

[@AAGEnzee]

I appreciated the banana joke. Very subtle, guessing most non-film people didn't notice, but good job on the continuity.

[@grandsome1]

I always blame the director and producers it's their vision, everyone under them is scrambling to produce it. They should know the limitations and work around them.

[@TheCollegeActivist]

where do you get all the behind the scenes footage from?

[@bizarro20daves]

rising sun released a lot of footage showing how the shot was made

[@stringjazz2937]

Outstanding video.

[@phoenixdzk]

I will never forgive this movie for replacing Thor & Zeus' wholesome moment together with that stupid orgy planning committee scene

[@ElGringoLatscho]

2:38 nice visual background joke

[@FameFocus]

Thanks! I was hungry...

[@BitewingGames]

Seriously, I am super impressed! They not only had him eating the banana there, but also the next scene shows the banana partially eaten. Excellent planning for something so few people will notice!

[@jakescartoons6045]

At this point, if they're not going to take advantage of the live-action medium, they may as well go full-on animated. That's what I did, after all.

[@Dcuniverse60]

Your are kid 😅😅😅😅😅 aminated kid

[@jakescartoons6045]

@@Dcuniverse60 Seriously? Why does everyone assume I'm a kid? I'm freaking 24 years old!

[@amswil3232]

I JUST LOVE YOUR NEW BRAND

[@slothomatic]

Any time I see "bad" vfx in movies I don't automatically blame the artists themselves. I know a lot of studios treat vfx as a magic afterthought that can fix anything with a click of a button. They have unrealistic expectations and unrealistic budgets. 90% of the time bad vfx arise out of directors that don't understand how vfx work, so they don't shoot the film with that in mind.

[@MrGriff305]

I'm trying to pretend Love and Thunder and She-Hulk don't exist. MCU is on life support

[@falconzgamecircle]

This video was rlly interesting and all the tips and break down it gave me want me to watch the movie now

[@carnsoaks1]

Why they turned that Golden Gods head into a crown seemed idiotic. Why a God figure would have a crown, does not make sense. His head, being a sunburst was so much cooler. Waitikidollssuck should have his A.D.H.D treated .

[@falconzgamecircle]

@@carnsoaks1 ikr

[@noneofyourbusiness4616]

Just wanted to thank you for saying "this leaves the question" rather than "this begs the question."

[@marktimotius8996]

One question, is mr green and you are same person…cool video by the way

[@ghosttwo2]

Despite critic complaints, I've found LaT to be the most rewatchable Marvel production since Loki. It's just a clean, self contained adventure that doesn't spend too much time in one place, or running in circles.

[@80Bucks]

& it’s got the guardians of the galaxy :D

[@M201___]

Love you sir. From India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@Abdousjh]

Nice video and good observation. But it can’t be completely perfect, since it takes a lot of effort and time to make a movie.

[@ozogo]

But that was a perfect parody of Chuck Norris in the sequence. First the splits than down into a full round house Chuck Norris style. Hilarious

[@mikekolokowsky]

I thought for sure that Hemsworth doing a split was CGI. Wow, that is impressive. I work out with weights like Chris, but I have the flexibility of a tin woodsman.

[@poopheadtwenty-seven540]

How does one improve their flexibility?

[@DingbatToast]

Look at the photo again. Chris is wearing green leggings and the 2 other guys are holding his false legs up 😂

[@geroni211]

@@poopheadtwenty-seven540 there are plenty of exercises you can do, but it takes time

[@HarduntheRanger]

Do you know why it looks CGI? Because he's meant to be doing the splits between two objects, but there's no sense of contact. There's no solid connection between his feet and the surface, making it look fake because the physics are all wrong. They would've been better off imo having Hemsworth do the splits on the ground or a green box with the green people pushing against his feet from the sides. It looks like his legs are fake and floating because they filmed him being lifted from below. The physics is all wrong and your eyes can tell

[@DingbatToast]

@Hardûn Chris can't do the splits irl. It's just bad cgi making it look as false as it is.

[@fffx2]

Disney managed to ruin Marvel, Star Wars, AND ILM in 6 years lol

[@Idle1996]

Disney owned marvel since before the first avengers movie

[@davidlamers874]

popped on to say go chris. nice thumb nail pic lol

[@Jabersson]

I KNEW Rapu's head movements looked stilted when he was sitting down!

[@chrisk.1539]

At least they made Amazing job in VFX.Liked the movie it had some dramatic scenes and a lot of humour,i hope they will made 5th Thor movie.

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

Me too. I don't get all the hate from that vfx view.

[@Theeoutcaste]

@@robertcoggeshall3071 they way the wrote Gor that's why.Thats a god butcher !!!

[@cne1975]

That movie was unwatchable

[@forcommentpurposes]

The hand cut by the sword felt so weird.. Now i know why.

[@meyyreak2142]

Good job

[@pseudonym9215]

Taiko Watiti should be never given a project as big as this. He is Taiko the Thor Butcher.

[@dudeat1320]

Can they fix the Volume set render details issue by having highly detailed backgrounds near the actors/props and very low detailed peripheral background using position markers to replace in post instead of replacing the entire thing?

[@stephenjohnston7630]

A balanced, informed and informative critique of a Disney project? Is it the End Times? Subscribed.

[@roccobot]

Wait a moment, I thought I had watched all the Fame Focus videos. Did I miss a historical face reveal? 🤯

[@Virtualblueart]

Not in VFX but in advertising, and we get similar situations. Whole photography sets are done and models hired etc forca job, we complete it with the client there, according it. All per spec and agreed upon. Days later clients decide the table looks wrong, the color of the wall must change and several models have to becreplaced with other models from different shots. So lots of photo manipulation and some 3D as well if needed. Its hard to do those things and always there is a risk of it ending up looking weird or off because of that. Doesnt happen often, but it does happen and its often a slog.

[@CallMeMrX]

I worked on this and we were all glad to see it finally done.

[@kylespevak6781]

The movie didn't have bad VFX it just didn't have subtle VFX

[@laurenoe]

The moment you take the weekend or stay up all night to over-deliver and exceed expectations, is when your client forgets the level of work you just did is not normal to achieve that. In media, when you have so many people competing to get work, this sort of "race to the bottom" is what makes the studios/clients feel they can get away with anything.

[@cromcccxvi3787]

I never realized how much I like real scenery and not greenscreen until this year

[@MatthewPlate]

Cool that his face is in this video for this one

[@ev4n.f_s]

yoooo 3:23 the gold kid is me

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

Yup, you see something like Dune Part 2, the script was ready in the pre production of the first film the results in less than two years of production they delivered something leagues better than whatever Marvel put out since Endgame and Infinity War (thos movies have some really good invisible effects). The saddest part is that they do this changes last minute so they don't even have time to do them right. Because with enough time and money they could work up those kind of magic tricks they wanted. Just look at Ultimato time travel suits, they are completely CGI put on post and the actors weren't using special VFX costume to make the work easier later, they were using their normal superhero clothes. Yet the effect is almost flawless. Besides some soft shadow in the neck of characters and the face when the helmet opens up, there is nothing that indicates they aren't real.

[@butcher568]

I think a big problem is that many directors and execs still have absoluteley no idea how vfx works and they dont bother. I work as a compositor and half of the requests are idiotic and nonsensical.

[@Marveryn]

i didn't see the movies but am aware of the original comic that the starting fx starts in and if recall the world was demolished from the gods fighting each other so instead of a lush jungle it should look like a hellscape. aka rocks and sands.

[@TheSkyrimInquisitor]

I started seeing it in the first Black Panther. That last (?) fight was like a PS2 video game. The movie was also considered for the VFX oscar which was plain ridiculous

[@SK22520]

I love the guy casually eating a banana in the background even tho he wears a full face covering mask

[@khalidpatel7246]

Wtf i want to see that fight with necrosword holder

[@carlosrivas1629]

Taiko Watiti like Joel Shumacher had his hands more tied in the first movie, repsectively and because of its success got more freedom to do his own thing. Helmsworth and Tessa Thompson felt under pressure since thier own movie MIB international bombed so they tolled away as they shot to make someinth they all could work with and changed things as they went from what does look like a story with maybe a rough outline. speculation, pure so.

[@RocketJr.]

When i think about it, Watiti could be the perfect director for Deadpool! 👍

[@DABA2024]

Can I just point out that this is how many Mandela Effects happen. Chris Hemsworth is one of the biggest stars on the planet, and MANY people, including you, call him Chris Helmsworth. This is how we get people thinking it was the Berenstein Bears.

[@noahshad09]

@@DABA2024 I was genuinely confused by who “Helmsworth” was.

[@Julika7]

Where do you have all this information from?

[@shorts.edit.]

Which editor you use to get the green man in the shorts ?

[@MrJ1Horrordirector]

This Is great men. Perfect to binge. I want More!!! Im in! Edit: im already subscribe and didnt know. WOW haha where have i been? Who am i?!