Thorin's Thoughts - It's Bjergsen More Than TSM (LoL)

Some thoughts on why Bjergsen has been more important to TSM than TSM has been to Bjergsen at this point.
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[@RLewisReports]

Wonder what excuse for removing this video the Reddit mods will come up with this time. Perhaps a blanket rule outlawing all opinions except their own.

[@Dxxn0320]

good to see you stick up for thorin

[@darebrained]

I mean lol reddit is garbage, don't see the point talking about it. Or going there.

[@hapeenes2927]

obviously because Richard Lewis left a comment under the video. Isn't that a rule already?

[@galador8089]

CPTpurrfect the community there is great, it’s just the garbage mods

[@christophermauro-barias5255]

when have Thoorin's vids been removed off reddit before. Stop reaching cuz you arent liked on reddit.

[@Tomissocool21]

ty buttpounder420

[@buttp0under420]

I want to like this but it's at 69 thumbs up and I can't bring myself to ruin such beauty

[@AlexoftheLight]

I was JUST laughing at that right now as I was reading the donator list

[@teraformerr]

Hes right, TSM is all about Bjergsen. TSM wouldnt be TSM anymore without Bjerg

[@unknownentity8256]

Reginald, Dyrone, TheOddOne, Xpecial & wildturtle is TSM in my mind, altough bjerg has been in the org longer than that roster was in its existance.

[@sephiroth9198]

i mean the team is called team solo mid

[@nostalgiacorner1999]

Can’t wait for TSM’s fall. Trash management

[@MaiHead92]

I would like to thank our secret hero, Buttpounder420. Without him the world would be a much colder place. Thank you good sir!

[@cryptidian3530]

Bjergsen is the only thing that is keeping me from abandoning TSM. If he leaves, I'm out.

[@BaS12241]

I left TSM like 4 years ago when Overwatch came out, I still was a TSM fan back then but when Regi literally disband the TSM Ow team I went into looking for another org to follow since I was not interested in Lol ans TSM anymore and then I realized the close minded Regi is and the reality of TSM as a esports org, literally Bjerg and Leffen are the only good players on the org on any esport, anything else besides them is just straight up bad, I end it up following EnvyUs, and while I knew them first when they had a team on the LCS(not good at all btw) I followed the Csgo team and the brand New Dallas Fuel team, and since then I have learned what a real good org is and not just a guy with money only focusing on one game and giving just the left overs to another esports, TSM had a Csgo team, 2 great smash players, a good lol team, now they only have a mediocre lol team a good smash player and 3 useless fortnite streamers... I'll give you a good advice forget TSM go follow another org, whatever other org you end up following will have more and better teams in way more esports than TSM

[@KruptPolitician]

Cryptidian you’re speaking a lot of facts bro been following since chaox and even bjerg not being OG TSM at least he played with them. When TSM dies my last League cell will die as well.

[@Lusowrath]

17:53 They played very good individual cou...league of legends. Esports wired into the brain, beautiful.

[@Takael]

Much love to Buttpounder420.

[@KleinpeterHank]

God bless buttpounder420

[@johnjoobooks]

Always a pleasure hearing someone praising Bjerg. No matter what, I still believe he is hugely underappreciated. Not only greatest US player, but great personality and role model you can build your team around. I don't care much about orgs, really. I'm not even American. But I do watch LCS, and cheering for TSM just because of Bjerg. And this split I consider to be great success. Team is in place, chemistry is there, talent aplenty, and summer should be Bjerg's 7th championship.

[@tomasvolek6357]

He is Dane, not US

[@johnjoobooks]

@@tomasvolek6357 As a player, he is US though.

[@EvolutionWar]

I would also argue that Bjergsen is the reason why TSM so easily replaces world class players with others that fit the way TSM plays the game. I think TSM is an organization that buys good players and waste their talent, i have always gotten the impression that their coaching team is crap based on their results, if they keep up this mentality of getting bjergsen the players he needs they will fail again and again. What TSM needs is a personality and a great all around team where everyone is valued equally. That to me is a team that will make it to worlds elite, I do not see see that now. I see that on Liquid.

[@mussunmussun3536]

Coaching is crap because Bjergsen is the coach. TSM needs not to listen to him and not allow him to shape on how the game is played, rather let the coach do coaching

[@vhlong287]

Yes and CLG is not CLG without Doublelift

[@Yepmyaccount]

Yeah. CLG has not been relevant since they kicked him tbh. I don't think I've paid a minute of attention to them since.

[@NinjaJaidenHD]

@@Yepmyaccount ??? CLG with stixxay got to MSI finals in 2016 and lost to SKT, arguably the best international result NA has ever had

[@stencilwalters2971]

@@NinjaJaidenHD TSM won IEM before beating ROX who beat SKT.

[@Yepmyaccount]

@@NinjaJaidenHD C9 getting to semis was a more historic performance for NA. As far as relevance to the scene, CLG hasn't had any since losing Doublelift. Most people stopped caring about that team after they squeezed by to MSI and TSM took over in the summer split. Completely irrelevant since that split, really. People living in reality knew Stixxay overperformed then, and he has literally done fuck all since.

[@NinjaJaidenHD]

@@stencilwalters2971 TSM beat Flash Wolves (Yoe Flash Wolves at the time) and then Team WE Upset GE tigers, both at semis. TSM went on to beat Team WE in the final, who placed 10th in the next LPL split. They beat FW who weren't particularly strong and a bottom tier LPL team lol

[@LolLol-ui3jh]

bjergsen and his 4 wards LULW

[@johnnguyen8311]

Tsm major issue is their jungle , they need a veteran or someone with good mechanics ... every jg they have are all beginners

[@ZoeCalico]

15:23 "If there'd have been another week, they might not even have made the playoffs" Well...I mean...that's mathematically impossible. But sure, that split looked mad mediocre.

[@omensoffate]

He sometimes doesn’t think when he talks lol

[@azdixon7700]

All I want is DL and Bjergsen on the same team again. I don’t have an extreme analysts insight, but I look up to them both as players and men. I think they’re our best, and I think they’re even better than they were the last time they were together.

[@virkupp]

Legend says Lustboys back never recovered from season 4 summer

[@eddiehalling9383]

Only thing more consistent than bjerg in tsm is tsm changing eu jungler

[@Herbieswizz]

As a DIEHARD TL fan since curse days... bjergsen played a HELL of a finals and I honestly believe he is the best player of NA all time.

[@RumandCocaine]

'' Insert eu comment here''

[@teraformerr]

BEST NA PLAYER IS FROM EU LUL

[@zzed7571]

Simply put if bjerg joined C9 when hai was becoming washed up C9 would have way more finals than TSM.

[@bruce8703]

even now, with licorice and bjerg on same team, that would be enough

[@aasyjepale5210]

23:06 favourite part

[@jannikostermann9821]

I feel like the season 5 summer failure of TSM isn't as bad as Thorin says. He said "They literally only had one more win than the last place playoff team", but then you also have to acknowledge that they were only two wins behind the number one team...

[@martinmihov175]

no way he just said that Jensen outperformed Bjergsen this finals lol

[@martinmihov175]

agree with everything else tho

[@digitalkarma4691]

Honestly at this point it feels like tsm has mega plot armor

[@dexlezhermit]

ah yes, the final where sneaky was cucked by a tsm minion wandering into the jungle for fuckall reason except shit coding by rito.

[@samotargos5199]

Imagine Bjergsen in Europe. I wish...

[@bling9]

I can still dream, you know :'(

[@piros931]

FNC Bjerg ^_^

[@hyde4004]

@Samo Targos +1 for that profile pic

[@delontewest6353]

Bjerg is way overrated! He would be an average midlaner in EU.

[@cepheus9856]

Bjerg is overrated he'll be mid tier in EU. Caps buttfucked Jensen and Bjerg and Jensen were more so even.

[@arturdias6399]

thorin you have lupus? You have the classical butterfly marks in your face. Go check that out!

[@depressean8295]

Oh fuck yes thank you Thorin. Been waiting on someone to talk about this forever!

[@rispaareva]

I think that brokenblade has the potential to be as dominant in the top lane as bjergsen has been in the mid lane. Tsm has definently done good things for bjergsen, but i see your point Thoorin.

[@liersiron5444]

I think bb is great mechanicly but i havent seen him play tank champs

[@ltsuperbowl]

A little off topic but o hope bjergsen goes back to eu and actually compete internationally. It's a disgrace the teams he is dealt and should be doing better with a better team

[@cosmicXreptile]

You say its a disgrace but he had fucking good teams with Zven and Mithy. He’s still flawed as a player

[@blairm015]

And I'm sure rRegi has repaid Bjerg in full via big cash dollars

[@ScoobyShotU]

Regi doesn't own tsm anymore less alone handling the cash anymore idiot

[@UNKNWN96]

I’ve only been following LoL since the end of Season 6 but Bjerg’s career is nothing short of amazing and he’s done a lot for TSM. Really good take on gauging whether it was more of the player or the org. I wonder what will happen in summer split following a disappointing loss in the finals.

[@NLJeffEU]

He doesnt look happy( mabye it's the beard tho) and that's the most important of you ask me. Go c9 or fnatic or g2 as a jungler? xD

[@cryptidian3530]

It sucks, because the EU teams would fit him much more, as they are clearly more hard working compared to the filthy casuals in NA.But his whole life is in NA, he's a resident, all his friends are in NA, he's in a sucky situation.

[@brotherman1]

Cryptidian yikes

[@CryptoNews2]

I would say BB was the major factor in C9

[@leeshepherd834]

Damn Kelsi looking good ;D

[@andresoljah]

This is an oddly dumb video from you thorin. Bjergsen is the best player on TSM so of course he;s the most important piece of TSM. But just like Faker is with SKT one player can't win you a title. TSM has been good at putting pieces around Bjergsen that allow him to win those titles. The year they decided to replace a homeland star (Doubllift) with an international performer (Zven) they failed to make the finals twice in a row and Bjergsen was on the team.

[@MarloMitchell]

ButtPounder420 lol

[@magnums4943]

TSM is just another overhyped mediocre team without such player as Bjergsen. Without him they are nothing. Dude is like a fucking face of the team and its very core. I feel somewhat the same towards Sneaky in Cloud 9 but I think that even Sneaky is not so important to that team as Bjergsen is to TSM.

[@RexZShadow]

Sneaky is the face of C9 like Bjergsen is to TSM but Sneaky's actual like game impact isn't as big as Bjergsen. Like Sneaky is a good player and good adc, you have a hard time replacing him. But he also not the player to 1v9 you games like Bjergsen and you won't built a team around him. He would be a good piece to build around like Bjergsen.

[@hawks3109]

So in a game where the players drive decisions more than coaches.. A player (being 1/5th of the team) that is above the rest of the competition tends to drive a team to more victories.. Kind of obvious.. Teams aren't mature enough in the scene yet to be coach/staff driven. It's still mainly the players until the OG players are all gone and there is a more organized system around esports (like college classes teaching how to be a coach like we have for traditional sports). The numbers support that the players make the team right now... Again that's obvious though... At least I thought so

[@mathushanthravichandren7904]

whoz buttpounder420? 🤔

[@buttp0under420]

Sup

[@mathushanthravichandren7904]

buttpounder420 😮

[@giakhangtruong54]

That another way to say TSM is shit

[@Gear1211]

Facts

[@NicoTown]

I always say, im not a fan of TSM im a fan of Bjergsen.

[@HigsTV]

Thoorin, if you could pick any team in the west, which team would be absolutely bonkers if Bjergsen was added to that roster? (spring rosters staying the same minus the mid lane).

[@theoneabove6828]

HigsTV i think FNC

[@theleafsbloodyflash]

@@theoneabove6828 Nemesis is probably FNC's second best player. I wouldn't replace him for Bjergsen. Imo there's plenty of other teams who could use him more

[@HigsTV]

Personally FNC’s issue is Rekkles’ not being flexible enough and their usage of jungle. I think a team like FNC just needs Rekkles to come out of his shell, and get analysts or positional coaches to assist top side (top, jg, mid) with their gameplan. It felt like FNC was unprepared and had bad drafts due to their weaknesses.

[@HigsTV]

I would argue that the Western team that could benefit the most from Bjergsen (minus TL potentially) while also becoming a super team would be Origen actually. Nukeduck is a great player, but Bjergsen with Kold and Alphari as a topside trio would be NUTS

[@HoneyReno]

After a certain amount of time, it becomes difficult to distinguish if you're a fan of the team or the player. It's like Faker and SKT. Players came and went, but they have been there for years and are practically synonymous with the brand.

[@jamespage7924]

You can say the same about Doublelift. Every where this men goes he brings success. I wouldn't be surprised if Duncan makes a video about DL about how he is a god.

[@Aggrofool]

Bjergsen and Lustboy were the best pickups of TSM history

[@paulpierce1001]

Team Solo... Mid. This is where the great mid laners come to begin their watch ;)

[@hellowill]

That's why its called TSM buddy

[@drillz8945]

When did thorin go from csgo analyst to league analyst?

[@samueldevarti4759]

15:08 you say that if there had been another week of play that split TSM might not have made playoffs, but the every other team below them in the standings is at least 3 games back. Anyway love your content; keep up the great work.

[@Rinno866]

Would Forg1ven fit in TSM Thorin?

[@zhufuedits8898]

Ouu 100 theives academy coach

[@pplification]

Dont know if he did something different but i like the lighting in this video

[@DevilHugoRF]

Finally someone talks about this. Thank you!

[@ragosta93]

thorin is still salty at regi lol

[@jpm736]

shoutout to buttpounder420

[@AerrihnStreams]

wonder if we’ll get one about Faker now

[@OwGash]

truth

[@First8116]

Stone Cold Facts.

[@littleone9401]

Great piece.

[@yoruasa1]

Would thorin's videos be better if he showcased actual clips of what he references to?

[@HunterA5417]

There aren't really TSM fans. There's Bjergsen fans and he happens to be on TSM

[@marco5030]

That's just pure BS.

[@iody247]

but was TL sandbagging the first 2 games??????

[@OrganicStuff1]

Anyone else lose a ton of money is Tesla stock

[@greenjacketguy3759]

lol

[@MadlyNathan]

I know Bjergsen didn't. He is too great to make those kind of mistakes

[@kurtiskapahala4721]

I did, but I still trust in Tesla long term, hold onto it I wouldnt sweat it.

[@petarpetrov1784]

I agree up to the tsm liquid final. I do think tsm was and is the stronger team and the only reason why this is true is brokenblade. We will see this at msi where liquid will probably be way worse than the top 3 teams in the current meta.

[@Rithorn]

Well this didn't age well...

[@mn8931]

Is this guy serious? When Bjergsen won his first couple of championships, he had Turtle (top 2 then), lustboy (top support then), Amazing (really good player), Svenskeren, and Dyrus (among the top in s3), all this when talent in LCS was trash. Their competition was Hai, Balls, Lemonnation, who are all not in the league anymore, cmon now. Heck players who have played with Bjergsen: Santorin, Svenskeren and Turtle are all still playing and kicking ass on top 4 teams, despite a significant overall improvement in talent in the LCS. Speaks volume for how good they are/were. Then he got Hauntzer, Yellowstar, DL, Zven/Mithy. Again all elite talents. Sure some didn't perform well but that does not mean they were not great players. Yellowstar just came off leading the best Fnatic season ever, Zven/Mithy were considered the best western botlane and Mithy is still doing great in EU. This season they added BB, another top tier talent and Smoothie who had crazy good season with C9 and was widely considered among the best NA support before joining TSM. Which other player got to play with this level of talent consistently over their career? So when you are talking about Bjergsens' championship teams, he always HAD way more talent stacked in his team RELATIVE to other LCS teams he beat. We are not comparing this TL team vs Bjergsens past championship teams, we are talking about teams he won with VS other teams in the league he beat. Even if we do compare versus TL championship teams, last season TSM again had a ridiculous group with every position in top 2 except for jungler. This season I would say almost every TSM player played at a top 2/3 level. BB is kicking ass, Arkadian made huge improvement. So talent wise they are not that far off compared to even TL, the supposed super team. Its a complete revisionist history to say Bjergsen didn't have great teams relative to other LCS teams in almost every single season especially his championship ones. Keep pointing out a player here or there that was subpar but completely ignore the fact that rest of the teams were complete trash compared to the talent Bjergsen played with. TSM kept importing talent after talent including and for Bjergsen while rest of the teams were scraping the bottom of the NA talent barrel for the longest time. I guess fanboy Thoorin need your Bjergsen to have a fully STACKED team in every position otherwise they are bringing him down. Just to hammer this point, I can name maybe 3 players who Bjergsen played with in his career that would be considered below average player for their role relative to competition: Gleeb, Mike Yeung, Grig (still debatable). THREE! Want me to name how many below average players someone like say Doublelift played with throughout his career? Utter delusion and revisionist history at its finest.

[@cepheus9856]

Bjerg is definitely overrated. He's done fuck all in international events but people keep sucking this choker's dick. Making excuses for him every year. Because he's popular and NA has no talent in midlane. Cant wait for him to hug his tower vs Caps, get smashed like Jensen. He will be mid tier at best in EU, no doubt.

[@VictorAFP]

You didn't even refute or disagree with anything Thorin said though... Thorin agreed that TSM got a number of talented players, but said exactly what you said: They didn't perform. Who did? Bjergsen. At the end of the day Thorin's point is essentially just that Bjergsen repeatedly carried his team much further in the playoffs than their split performance should allow. Also, he said nothing in this video about Bjergsen > DL. He said Bjergsen > TSM. Who is the delusional one here?

[@mn8931]

@@VictorAFP Thats completely BS to say they didnt perform. You can look at their stats. Hauntzer did, Turtle did, Lustboy did, DL did. Yes, SOME did not perform but again, thats a ridiculous argument. EVERY player in NA has played with players who havent performed. Why should Bjergsen be ANY different. Overall he still did have better players than other teams. And THATS my point. When did I say DL was better?? I just said Bjergsen was lucky to play with so many good players throughout his career while others did not even get that luxury. Just used DL as an example.

[@VictorAFP]

@@mn8931 Yeah of course it's an oversimplification to say "they didn't perform", but go back and watch the video: Look how many times TSM finished the season ranked 5 or 6 and STILL made it to the final, largely because of Bjergsen's abilities and experience. "Every player has played with bad players" Yes, and Thorin's whole point is that none of those other players, except DL, have consistently made it to the finals. You clearly have some bias against Bjergsen, because you constantly misinterpret Thorin's points. How is Bjergsen the lucky one when he's the one carrying the team, albeit to varying degrees each split? Again, no one is saying that Kasing, Dyrus, Gleeb, Hauntzer, etc. were bad players, but were they top 1-2 players? No. Yet TSM has finished top 1 or 2 every split while Bjergsen has been on the team, and he is consistently the best midlaner and often best player in NA each split. Thorin is totally right to say that Bjergsen's average performance is MUCH higher than the rest of TSM's average. How can you possibly disagree?

[@mn8931]

@@VictorAFP You still dont get my point. Hauntzer was top talent in NA, dont know what are you talking about. Kasing never played a split, just one tournament with TSM and Dyrus yes he declined in s4 but he was still good in s3. So essentially you mentioned ONE player Gleeb who I would say was below average. ONE in his career! Ok I will give you Mike Yeung, TWO!! Thats how good and lucky Bjergsen got having some really talented players around him throughout his career. Now, your point around TSM not having top 2 players in every role and yet ended up top 2. First, math doesn't work that way. For that to happen you are assuming another top 2 team had all the top 1/2 players on their team, which is not the case. Second, its because all the other NA teams SUCKED. TSM had way better players on AVERAGE on their team than other teams. TSM kept importing good players (Lustboy, Amazing, Santorin, Svenskeren) while other NA teams were scraping the bottom of the NA trash talent pool for the longest time. You Bjergsen fanboys are in denial and always finding ways to give ALL the credit to Bjergsen when TSM wins and blame his teammates when he loses. And all the while discrediting others like DL for having better teammates when they beat Bjergsen. Delusional is right.

[@deviltrigger8253]

Imagine if an EU team picked up Bjerg this pre season like a big Eu org like Fnc. When they where in need of a new midlaner they could have just said fk u tsm we are taking bjerg imagine what a scary line-up that would have been. But its just a thought...just a playfull thought...

[@Kerri_70]

@Jurica Sambol No.

[@deviltrigger8253]

@Jurica Sambol Bjerg is the second best mid in the west behind Caps and the team he is on dosent give him justice for how good he rly is. Its like with KeeN on afreeca he is on of the best toplaners in the world but he is stuck on a mediocre lck team. I just thought of what if they created a scary line-up on paper and see what it could do in Eu.

[@Kim-uz4wg]

@@deviltrigger8253 both perkz and caps are better than bjerg (in my mind perkz is still a midlaner) and i would put him at the same group as players like jensen and nukeduck experienced but not the best in the west

[@Kim-uz4wg]

@@deviltrigger8253 just gonna add this bjerg has had the best NA players around him but still not managed to achieve anything outside of NA and DL got the blame for their failures internationally and later showed his haters that he is arguably the best NA player of all time

[@deviltrigger8253]

Yeah its true that in recent times bjerg has not been looking too hot even on a on paper super team being tsm 2016-2017 but the thing thats makes bjerg 'the bjerg' still remains and results this year still shows that we shouldent count him out. But the thing that worries me is that his time in NA will take away what made him special in the first place.

[@MrChlwlstj]

Imagine if C9 had Bjergsen

[@danielstephens9533]

Imagine if last season TL had Bjerg? They would have made it out of groups XD

[@s.l.jackson9152]

I still hope that bjergsen comes back to europe... I mean there are a couple of teams, that are probably already better than tsm and with him. Just imagine him with s04, og, vit, msf or fnc

[@konradbrochocki4923]

lol "where no sandbagging goes unpunished". analyzing NA leagues of legends is sandbagging

[@StrongestCreatureOnEarth]

Thats why this is my favourite TSM roster in a long time, BB in the top lane finally breaking the TSM mold. Imagine if they get a hard carry bot laner too.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

Incredibly well put together video. Compelling narrative and a killer conclusion. Cheers, Thorin!

[@SukoSeiti]

TBH they should not made Bjerg a shotcaller.

[@AlexoftheLight]

I agree. I remember back watching when he first became a shotcaller for tsm and tsm was having problems and even after that they still were. Bjergsen and regi were sitting next to eachother in one of their tsm youtube series. Bjerg says to to regi that he didn't want to shotcall. Regi and staff kind of forced bjerg to shotcall even when he didn't really want to. And I can see why. He's not a good shotcaller.

[@Pozhinat]

Whats the question you never ask a guy in the ad? im not gonna waste my time, maybe one of you did

[@naping]

TSM without Bjergsen would be a dystopia.

[@drillz8945]

NA season 1-3 only american teams Bjergsen joins tsm > Bjergsen is from EU... EU > NA

[@quarksarranged]

IF TL have a good international run i dont see Bjergsen staying on TSM if they fail to make it out of worlds groups this year. Hes FAR better than the rest of his org.

[@marco5030]

I don't know if TL would take Bjerg, I agree if Bjerg feels he fails this year he might leave TSM but there are plenty of places he might go, including EU.

[@emilia1670]

@@marco5030 Bjergsen said that he likes living in NA a lot more than Europe. Don't see him coming back.

[@juju543soccer]

Now that other teams can have 3 imports TSM can't win

[@martinellgaard7071]

Tsm have 3 imports as Well, even tho bjerg dont count

[@sindssyg796]

Bjergsen is a Danish God

[@カカシ-r8n]

Most of the points you make are fair but can we stop calling Bjergesen a world class player when he never does anything internationally. MSI 2017 G2 go to finals perkz shows up MSI 2018 caps makes a name for him self, what does Bjeg do internationally get solo killed by crown, lock in ryze gain a 15 cs lead in lane and play passive af while his team losses. You cant tell me that both 2016 TSM and 2017 Should not have gotten out of their groups a real world class mid when he has to puts their team in the backpack and goes for the win Bjerg on the other hand fights to not take the blame so all the plebs get to say wow man if only Bjerg had a better team "Bjerg and the 4 wards lul". the only thing that has not changed over the years is him in the midlane and TSM never even getting out of groups just my 2 cents tho all you plebs feel free to tell me how wrong i am.

[@kerbjesus]

Yeh you are wrong about the groups thing, they made it out in 2014

[@カカシ-r8n]

@@kerbjesus oh wow my bad they made it out 5 years ago lol

[@kerbjesus]

@@カカシ-r8n yeh, if you are going to state something you might as well fact check. Also, bjerg did show up internationally in 2015 IEM. But in general ur points are pretty fairm you just overexaggerate a bit which makes it hard to trust what you say

[@カカシ-r8n]

@@kerbjesus you dont have to trust what i say go and check the vods he legit never does anything, in 2016 worlds all he did was get soloed multiple times by crown and in 2017 even people like xiyie and xiahou showed up no one ever called them world class mids but for some reason everyone seems to think that playing well in na makes him world class

[@kerbjesus]

@@カカシ-r8n I agree with you 100% in 2017, but in 2016 and in 2015 he definitely was world class when he kept on solokilling other mids such as Crown, and Nagne. It is true that Bjerg got solokilled twice n worlds 2016 by crown where Bjerg played zil and Crown was playing viktor. I definitely think he is world class, like I said he have constantly year after year played as good, or better than other world class mid laners. Although I do agree in 2017 he was not too impressive

[@officialmcdeath]

Bjergsen's mom and buttpounder420 - the ultimate iconic duo \//\

[@GuillotineStare]

Who put an iron on his face?

[@brunorangel1739]

Bjerg is the face of tsm, but i feel that if he left tsm he would become like jensen became. A third wheel inside the discussion. Tsm is important for bjergs legacy and current image.

[@robertarutyunov9970]

Bjergsen is important for TSM's legacy and current image*

[@danteespero8359]

I feel like he would end up in a super team like double. Think about how many teams would go all in on building a beast team with berj as the star... legit even tsm tried it but it failed for whatever reason... idk I dont think he will do it but I think he should.

[@hitenjain4688]

Tl would have loved to get bjergsen over Jensen if he left tsm

[@stencilwalters2971]

That would be true if bjergsen goes to a team where he's outperformed. Jensen joined DL and CoreJJ, both vastly better. Even when DL was on TSM, bjerg was still the best player on that team. Bjergsen is TSMs image at this point.

[@mysticsham7430]

That's unlikely, while Jensen was a great player on C9, he wasn't the face of the org nor has he yet reached Bjerg level of greatness (Although I think he will and possibly might surpass, if he can grow and feed off DL confidence). Bjerg off TSM would have same impact as DL off CLG, TSM unless they find someone amazing to fill the gap becomes a relic of the past and the winning goes to where Bjerg goes.

[@YeahChance]

Sorry but all the tsm fans already left in 2017. 2018 was just the last straw for the fans and I honestly think everyone is already ready for a new prospect for tsm mid laner. Even though bjerg still has a good career time left. I don’t think he will win anything internationally since doublelift got kicked. Also teams like c9 and TL staff are immensely better than tsms. Bjerg needs a coach like repeared ,a shot caller like zeyzal but a team like TL. I still think there’s a chance for DL to join tsm again but that will solely rely on bjerg and what team he will get. They need to reunite. It’s literally NA’s last hope to win worlds

[@ClarityRow]

apart from [edited after some people took my criticism really negatively] your thoughts....atleast bring some visual appeal to your video... So more of the league community would reach you. Everyone has thoughts...enough for >10 mins long,,...but no one (atleast not many) wants to see that....bring in some stats..some data..some visuals...some strategy. League is all about fighting, winning, strategy...not about "thoughts"- Great teams have not been here with thoughts..but with strategy, fighting, commitment - that's what interests League community - understand who is the audience...instead of just putting thoughts in a "monotonous video".

[@lyperkele]

Ravinder its his youtube channel and people follow him for these kind of videos

[@vishalgokushreyas07]

Lol ye it's his KZbin channel, he can do what he wants Make your own strat channel lol

[@ClarityRow]

​@@lyperkele Agreed, but I'm giving some ideas for more engaging content... Apart from the first line (Which is harsh honestly) rest of it is what i'm suggesting. Want to do it? Alright. No? Then it doesn't matter to me, everything will be same.

[@truckywuckyuwu]

You must really like hearing yourself talk, 1300 videos on youtube huh. Here's an idea, what are you, 28? 29? 30? 40? years old? How about you find a better age related hobby to do instead of playing League of legends. Who's primary, and aimed demographic is 16-24 year olds. How's that for a thought.

[@MeliaMedia95]

Is this a copy pasta or are you damaged

[@caca0caca0]

Yeah is this a troll?