Thoughts On Purity Culture and Sexual Morality by Former Christian Pastor

[@Nirmal-qo8gw]

“You don’t need religion to have morals. If you can’t determine right from wrong then you lack empathy not religion”.

[@AEPhotog1]

I did it “all right” and still was cheated on and abandoned. Was married 33 years. Was a Virgin due to Christianity. None of it mattered.

[@timmygibsonkc]

So true! Sorry to hear that!

[@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457]

You actually may have done it right. From your perspective you did something admirable

[@TunziSNORT]

"all right" is "all wrong" You deserved better

[@corneliahanimann2173]

I'm sorry, I feel like people have set up this situation to fail, and even when you do everything right, you end up being blamed for not havign done it 100% right...

[@Bluebanjobenjamin]

I believe the only things that are truly immoral are unkindness and a lack of humility. Everything else is subjective and we do not have to agree on as long as the disagreement is met with kindness and respect. (Former Christian here as well.)

[@angelodimichele8549]

We’re in the era of people challenging old beliefs. Sex before marriage is not a sin and pastors who are married should not be turning the screws on people who are single. Christianity doesn’t have an answer for people who are married who are fulfilling their sexual urges anytime they want compared to people who have bad luck in their love life and are single all their lives.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you for commenting!

[@corneliahanimann2173]

Honestly I don't exactly know where the idea of sexual purity comes from, even the pastors in religion class where I'm from didn't teach that. The story of Jesus has him travel with a bunch of guys and a single prostitute. I am just not convinced that we have are not projecting a more modern idea that roots in an insecurity and fear experienced women onto somdthing that was never all this complicated in the literature.

[@StrongAtheist68]

I’m so proud of you. I was a part of purity culture, but now I am free from it. It feels good to get rid of the fear and shame.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Amen! And thank you so much!

[@RichLunaMusic]

Same. Now how to tell my grandma who raised me like that, I don't know.

[@mrhooks01]

The influence of religions with repressive messages about sexuality ,sexual love relationships of the past all of this create a backpack that does not leave us be happy and enjoy our sexual lives without inhibitions 💪⚡💥🔥

[@aleguitarra]

Nothing is better for a child than being raised by mom and dad being good to each other and to them... We all come from a mom or a dad and deep inside all need that... period.

[@BrennahAdrianna]

Morality can be translated to our species well being and propagation, that’s how we still exist. Morality for us today can be traced also to avoidance of intentional harm in most cases.

[@Muysc_quyne]

I agree, and I would add that morality should also include trying to be aware of any inconscious harm that we may be doing and correct as much as we can. Couple therapy is a lot of that.

[@Muysc_quyne]

Now we don't need "purity". We know what concensus is, we know that we shouldn't do any harm. If you are not constraining someone's will, and are not harming you or anyone else, what is the problem?

[@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457]

@@Muysc_quyne I don't think it's as simple as that. Minding ones business. What one does alone or just within a small collective still has a way of emanating out into the broader society in some esoteric, mystical manner. No woman or man is an island no matter how or what they do

[@Muysc_quyne]

@@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457 Yeah, that's what a lot of environmental studies show, as well as sociological, anthropological and psychological studies. There is no mystery around it other than how to account for all of it happening at the same time and in such deep ways. It's hugely complex, not mysterious nor esoteric. Plus, we have a pretty good idea of what is really harmful and what is not really harmful, for a society, for an individual, for an ecosystem... it's just too complex to consider all at once. But making up things just because you magically think that masturbation (or anything that purity culture rejects) has to be wrong, with no evidence at all, is not a good solution in any intellectually honest scenario and is actually harmful. And yes, many scientific disciplines can explain, consistently and with real-life evidence, why that's harmful. Notice also that I didn't ever say "mind one's business". I said "not harming anyone nor yourself" and that's completely different to just mind one's business. I'm advocating for caring for each other, but with real knowledge about what is and what is not really harmful.

[@kkietzerow]

This has been a subject I have been discussing with my counselor. It is work to let go of those beliefs that were beat into my head.

[@timmygibsonkc]

It sure is!

[@PariahPsypomp6775]

Another thing too that you touched on around the 27:00 mark is a person's personal relationship with something. I work for a "functional stoner." He loves his grass, but he's super productive, he's a great father, and his priorities are in order. I've also met stoners who are lazy and smoke all the time. The issue isn't marijuana; it's their aberrant relationship with it. Honestly, the same goes for religion. If it helps someone get their life in order, then great, but some people have an aberrant relationship with their faith that is destructive, too.

[@davewolf8869]

I too am a former true believer. Even died in a hospital and went somewhere beyond human description. I've been deconverting the last 5 years, or weirdly, you could say my entire life since I was coerced by my mother to "Accept jesus". Anyway, whatever I do these days, I try and attach one word to it: "Ethical". So long as that word is attached, it tends to work out well. ("Moral")

[@chessacousins2067]

There's not enough hours in the day for me to care about what people do in their spare time as long as they are not hurting anyone and they are consenting.

[@Dstctelt]

If all persons involved are consenting (not persuaded, not manipulated) then there is nothing wrong. I believe that I can do anything I choose to do as long as what I do does not infringe on another persons rights.

[@paulharrisonadventuregearm5457]

@@Dstctelt not quite as simple as that. What you do as an individual can and does affect our collective world. It might be subtle and not noticeable immediately. One example is epigenetics...a man/woman who decides to live a lifestyle of extreme non monogamy and sexual experimentation, will alter his her epigenetics and put that forward to the ensuing generations...where those offspring will be more inclined to be non monogamous, non Puritan or sexually extreme. The cycle shall perpetuate itself... children will have parents that are sexually extreme and may either be detrimental toward the childrens upbringing or positive..but either way nothing happens in isolation. If you look at animals...some animals are ridiculously devoted to only one partner. Is it advantageous? Yes it certainly can be, from a sexual and reproductive level. We can leave religion behind ..but not necessarily God and the spiritual..in fact evidence suggests we can't. Is a higher level of consciousness being sexually non non Puritan or is it somewhere in the middle or is it pure monogamy. We don't need religion for monogamy to argued ad the preferred lifestyle

[@LBBspock]

Hey Timmy, I just wanted to say I really appreciate how gracious and genuine you are when talking about these issues. As someone who is a Theist and attempts to bring these sorts of things to the attention of especially fundie Christians, I will admit is certainly challenging. In my view, the main reason these things you spoke about keep occurring in the Church is due to the hyper focus on purity culture, or shall I dare say a perversion of purity. Self-control and respectful engagement with one another of the opposite sex is something I believe the religious and irreligious can agree upon in any civil society. However, when certain Christian leaders or even laity try to shame people for having natural affections and desires, they more often than not fall into the very things they have been so sanctimonious about.

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@LBBspock I so appreciate your kindness, though we disagree on our perspectives on God. I find it so sad when Christians are so hateful towards me. I always thought the Bible said to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you!” I literally get a DM, Email, or even a phone call everyday with someone telling me I am going to hell and I’m a terrible person. Ha ha ha These are strangers, so I don’t care, it’s more of a reflection of them anyway, but gesh! So sad. Anyway, you stay tender hearted and kind in your faith, it’ll serve you well in life. Thanks again for the comment.

[@LBBspock]

@@timmygibsonkc Thank you for the kind words and the wise advice. I will certainly heed it. I commented on one of Tim Mills videos a few weeks ago regarding these kinds of verbal attacks that you have been enduring. I basically said that I was at one point in time a staunch King James Only fundie Baptist and how embarrassed and sincerely sorry Iam for how these people claiming to represent Christ treat those that don't adhere to their worldview. And, how many Agnostics and Atheists such as yourself show more Christlike compassion depth of feeling and understanding than those "in the fold". Take care and please keep putting out such great material which all of us can benefit!

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@LBBspock Thank you brother!

[@tamaralambert5251]

I'm your age in Tulsa😂😂. Anyway, yes! Marijuana over alcohol for me, too and for the same reasons 🎉 Already deconstructed and ❤ your channel

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

Purity Culture is on par with the Prosperity Gospel message.

[@theresemalmberg955]

I have my beefs with purity culture which I've made no secret of; however, I have noticed that critics of purity culture are strangely silent when it comes to predator culture. In your previous video on the subject, I asked some questions in the comments section regarding something that happened to me as a teenager. You did not respond. I don't know what to make of this. Does your silence on the matter mean you think that what happened to me was ok and that my reaction to it was a result of purity culture brainwashing? I also don't know if you read the response of the person who did respond to me--it shows that I am not alone in my concerns that we are enabling a predator culture and grooming future victims. Now that you have thoroughly demolished purity culture, I would like to see you turn your attention to predator culture. I would like to see you do a video on sexual harassment, on sexual abuse, on rape, on coercion, on the Me Too movement, even on child sexual abuse and human trafficking. I know you've talked about consent. But there are people who would argue--and have argued in this very comment section--that consent is a relic of purity culture and the idea of stolen innocence is likewise a relic of this culture. This disturbs me very much. That there are people who would do away with the idea of consent. Who would argue that the idea of innocence being stolen is nonsense, as there is no such thing, that this is something invented by purity culture. I do not know about you, TImmy Gibson, but I find such people dangerous and I would not want to be in the same room with them even with other people present. I don't want them anywhere near children. Because what they are saying is that they do not believe in boundaries. So in a way, my questions have been answered regarding what happened to me as a teenager and how I reacted to it. All I can say to that is, well, they may be right, but the law, as currently interpreted, has another opinion entirely, and had I known then what I know now, you'd better damn well believe I would have pressed charges on the young man and I would have been entirely within my rights to do so. I wonder if some of the hostility directed against the Me Too movement has to do with the fact that these women were bringing up an uncomfortable subject that we really don't want to talk about, so therefore they were either lying about what happened or lying about their unwillingness. That's predator culture. And if I had to choose between purity culture and its harms or predator culture and its harms, I'd choose purity culture in a heartbeat. I really think we have set loose a monster that will be very hard to restrain; and that monster is coming for our children.

[@timmygibsonkc]

I must have missed it. I don't get to all the comments, even the ones I like. Predatory behavior is extremely bad, abuse is bad, rape is bad, coercion is bad, sexual harassment is bad, I can't see any sane person disagreeing there. Consensual means exactly that, consensual. Meaning 2 ADULT people people (in their right mind ... including not being drunk) must fully agree ... and not just "agree" but also want to engage in the activity.

[@theresemalmberg955]

@@timmygibsonkc Well, the very fact that these behaviors exist says that not everyone agrees with you and me on the subject. That there are people who defend these behaviors says that not everyone agrees with you and me on the subject. When someone responds with something like "consent is part of purity culture" I don't know about you but it sends alarm bells ringing in my head. Especially when they follow up with the concept of innocence also being a byproduct of purity culture. What I am hearing as someone who has experienced sexual assault is that my feelings of being violated, of losing my innocence and purity, are simply the product of my upbringing and I wouldn't feel that way if I'd been raised to have a more open mind on the subject. I feel that this is a dismissal and devaluation of my feelings. Whenever I have spoken on these things I have received some very NASTY comments, which again says that there is a subculture that has bought into this predatory mindset, especially when no one else steps up to defend me. Now how prevalent is this mindset I don't know but I do know from personal experience that a) it is out there and b) very few people outside of the Christian purity culture are addressing it. All you have to do is look at all the criticism leveled at the movie "Sound of Freedom." You'd think it was a no-brainer, and that as you say, no sane person would defend this sort of thing--but there are an awful lot of folks who do not think that "Sound of Freedom" is addressing a legitimate issue. Or that it exaggerates. Or that it is the product of QAnon or some other right-wing conspiracy group. Anything and everything except what the movie is actually about. Again, the alarm bells are going off in my head. Why the denial? Why the attempts to discredit and squash this movie? Like I said, I challenge you to look into predator culture and do a video on it. It might make you feel uncomfortable, but if we are going to have an honest discussion on the subject we can't just attack purity culture and ignore the bad parts of secular culture. That's all I have to say on the subject.

[@Remkay7]

Hi Timmy, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on pastor Todd White?

[@aleguitarra]

I married 26 years ago... first girlfriend, only woman in have intimacy... has been a wondefrul journey learning toguether how to improve together... I cant imagine something better... I think it is wondefrull share the live with only one person being faithfull... Understand that people can fail... but the problem is not the model... but us...

[@DG-cu1vt]

Here is my perspective as a life long Atheist. With regards to sexuality, married or not, if all parties are consenting adults and proper precautions are taken for the transmission of diseases, then morality doesn't factor into it. It's not something I'm interested in myself, but I have known people in the past who have participated in swinging. If it's something they want to do, more power to them.

[@anamariacastro5272]

This is very interesting! Thanks for talking about the subject, which might be controversial. I have these standpoints on this topic probably (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) in chronological order: * We evolved into human beings (and before that, we lived like any other animal) * The fact that baby humans are the animals that require the longest nursery time, staying together is what works best for us (baby orangutans, with the second longest nursery time, need 6 years; and even though elephant moms stop breastfeeding their babies when they're 3 years old, young elephants can stay with their parents for 16 years or perhaps all their lifetime!) * We developed language * Our consciousness started to develop through processing and exteriorizing our comprehension of the world (i.e. language) * We can understand complex and abstract concepts like engagement, consent, love, etc. * Because slavery, greed, and other violations of the right to live a good life started to flourish, inequality arose. * We can no longer live like animals do, because we can now express and communicate desires, logic, we can decide beyond our instincts and in the same way we can listen to and comprehend other people's desires, therefore we must consent When it comes to finding a partner, our interactions are so different from those of animals because we have developed consciousness and language, and our survival instinct teaches us to stay together. I guess it is written in our DNA, our ancestors found that to be the best way to survive and preserve our species. And I see it's still like that to this day, we people need parners to be on our side permanently, we have the ability to build relationships because we are very sociable. Now, what determines if the relationship(s) will be casual, short-term or long-term, open or exclusive, is each individual, and again there must be consent from all the parties involved. That consent should be the most valuable thing to take into account when deciding or not what is permissible within the relationship. My point here is that although we can find some similarities in human and animal interactions when it comes to sex, we just cannot live exactly like animals do in the wild, because we wouldn't be using our reasoning and language capacity at all, we wouldn't be thinking our decisions through, we would be underusing our thought processes unique to human species, and so we wouldn't be showing interest and/or respect for what others want and expect from the relationship. It's so important to understand that animal's interactions and drives are so different from our own for many reasons In conclusion, to me it's not about specific actions that are right or wrong. Instead, it's about thinking vs. not thinking what we're doing, what others want and expect, and how it can affect us and others. These things from my perspective define if a sex act is moral or immoral.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you for your thoughts!

[@Gfc1980]

Regarding sexual morality, I follow the same guidelines as you in “do no harm”. If you are physically, emotionally, psychologically hurting someone (e.g., rape, abuse, incest) then yeah that falls into the immoral bucket. If you are psychologically distressed about gays or unmarried persons having sex, then that is just you hurting yourself. Not immoral…..just dumb. 😑

[@PariahPsypomp6775]

I approach morality from secular objectivism. Living things inherently pursue what is valuable to their being. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and self-actualization, etc. The issue theists run into is that this is a hyper-individualistic approach that is centered around the true authentic will of an individual. Which means any forceful violation of this is inherently immoral. No one can tell you what to do, but if you don't know yourself well enough, you run the risk of destroying yourself by chasing foolish short-term whims. This is where the cultivation of personal responsibility becomes very important. And for those that don't quite understand this concept because religion tries its hardest to rid children of this, the authentic will and pursuit of these things NEVER violates or transgresses against another person in any way. It's personal and gets people's crap together so they can become the best versions of themselves for others. So what is immoral about consenting adults having sex? Nothing so long as it doesn't transgress against another person. It's going to be a long time before people become comfortable with this and responsible enough to pursue their own true will. No authority can ever arbitrarily designate what is morally right or wrong, ever.

[@benfrantzen5779]

Love you're stuff! Shunda ba ba (tounges of fire)

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@benfrantzen5779 😂

[@CubicEducation4096]

Timmy for president 👏

[@timmygibsonkc]

Hee hee!

[@Eyesopeningheartrealigning]

This content is so good as it’s like you are sitting opposite us at a table just discussing and fun 😂🎉❤ Great topic too 😅 Freaking out that the Christian world view has tainted my entire existence and only 18 months out. 😢 😅❤🎉 helping me look at things differently Consent consent consent Protect your body and keep safe then off you go….😅

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you! I was laughing though as I reflect back on my videos ... I think my face is a little too close to the camera (my iPhone) ha ha ha

[@clarencehammer3556]

I just saw a statement the other day that said that there are things that are legal but not moral. Well, the reverse is also true. There are things that are moral yet illegal. Anyway, one of the big mysteries to me is why is polygamy’s illegal? I don’t think it is immoral. However I do think it is highly impractical unless you are extremely rich.

[@Siyanda82]

Find your humor hilarious and agree on so many "deconversion" points - PK here, pastors kid. Left church indoctrination years ago but still believe in Yahweh as my creator, despite truly enjoying deconversion talks, atheist channels and textual critics. Sin has always been defined in Scripture as the transgression of the law - equally, transgressing the law of our land would equate to wrong doing, whether we agree with those particular laws or not. The Bible is clearly in so many ways a very fallible human construct but "there aint much ado about nothin" as I like to say, so somewhere it all has at the core a fundamental truth. In terms of morals I would assume that by acting out of love - the kind of love that serves the best interest of not only one self but also others, would define the boundaries of whats right or wrong for me - that alongside adhering to the laws of the land or of life, which I find or place myself under, whether by country or by my creator. (Although I dont respect all law givers and governments and thus may not follow their laws 😉). Also, not only have we inherited lies in our belief systems and christian church upbringings, but equally we have been lied to about our history, science and are still being lied to on a daily basis by those influencing us through controlled media channels and indoctrination centres (what some call formal education). The rabbit holes run so deep and I would test everything - you can not even be certain the earth really spins just coz de tell-lie-vision shows us a little movie of some men bouncing around on the moon next to a tin can 🤗 Peace - I think ur very refreshing in your approach 🙌😊

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you so much! Appreciate it.

[@sunshineinarizona1726]

Here is a topic that I know very little about. Have a nice day Timmy. 🌻

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you!

[@Parasaurolophus476]

In my mind, moral sex is consensual sex. Period. Animals, children and people under the influence of drugs or alcohol, people being coersed and people being forced or approached under false presence cannot consent, therefore sex with them is immoral. Everything else sexually speaking, is moral. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult that agreed while sober its all good.

[@alexdyter8237]

So I am asexual. I been with a guy and didn't find it special at all. In fact I enjoyed the end part when we just chatted. It frustrates me that I dont feel anything from it and chances are I will never go into a relationship. As I find it kida of boaring. I found it quite funny when they always preached/talk sex at church as I never really had any pull towards it. I always imagined how hard it would of been if you were into it.

[@Seeuthere]

You are a lost sheep my friend, He is looking for you. I pray you may find him again, pray your heart hasn't hardened from him calling to you. You may yet find salvation before it's to late

[@tonymiller3788]

So, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, onmibenevalent god is looking for Timmy and not only can't find him, but Timmy is so powerful his heart is impervious to that god. See any logical contradictions at all?

[@Seeuthere]

@@tonymiller3788 It's not literal, He knows exactly where you are. You are lost from the Kingdom, like the parable of the lost sheep, Jesus is not saying we are literal sheeps though. No contradictions my friend. Disconnected yes, led astray into the worldly

[@tonymiller3788]

@Seeuthere so, does god want me to be saved and to know him? (Omnibenevolent) If so, does he know what would convince me he is real? (Omniscient) And if he wants to, and knows what would convince me, is he able to do so? (Omnipotent) And yet I remain completely unconvinced that your god exists. Why is that? Somewhere there is a logical contradiction. Either your god isn't Omnibenevolent, isn't omniscient, or isn't omnipotent. You pick.

[@Seeuthere]

@@tonymiller3788 I don't have to pick anything. He is exactly how the Bible describes him. He will not convince you, because if you have made a choice allready He will respect that, he loves you enough to let you decide. God will not beg. But he may open your eyes enough so you can make a clear choice. I recommend watching nde videos, atheists coming to faith after nde experiences. Hard for science to explain that.

[@tonymiller3788]

@Seeuthere so I'm more powerful than your god? I begged him to give me a good reason to keep believing in him but somehow my honest inquiry thwarted his ability to make himself known? You're god is a classic absentee father and you are the sad mother making excuses to your children for why their absentee father never shows up, but he loves you kids, just take my word.

[@lordvoldamort4606]

There is a lot to deconstruct.

[@timmygibsonkc]

So true!

[@bobbun9630]

On the question of when is sex immoral... Maybe step back and ask, when is driving immoral? When is banking immoral? When is working immoral? I suggest that if you seek an answer that applies universally regardless of the activity being considered, you're in a better position to find a real answer.

[@nathanaelbarrie214]

Hey guys...I like this guy and people like him for bringing to light the truth of ugly religion..Christian...however I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't realise there is something amazing and powerful and beyond our understanding that is def evident in my own experience..🙏

[@carolebingham7262]

What I can't understand it's so confusing in new testament it says no debauchery crousing or drunkness will enter heaven what on earth is it talking about ime confused

[@daniellepyle5844]

Great subject. Over the years I’ve been all over the board with it. I believe folks should enjoy each other sexually but I don’t agree with porn, even soft porn bothers me. Televising such an intimate moment, to me, shouldn’t be okay. Now when I got pregnant out of wedlock, it didn’t feel sinful, but I lost friends and had huge family arguments. My mom didn’t speak to me till the child was 6! For her it was morally wrong but for me it was just life. I think each person has their own moral compass.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you for sharing!

[@ImaginaryMdA]

🎶If you're happy and you know it, that's a sin! *clap clap* If you're ha...

[@tonymiller3788]

I don't think sexuality, as long as it is consensual and honest, is a moral issue at all. But that doesn't mean there aren't consequences here and now, short term and long term, for how we behave. We didn't evolve with birth control. We aren't evolved to separate procreation/raising offspring and sex. We also did not evolve with the ability to test for paternity. Just like we are evolved to consume sugar whenever it is available, thus obesity and diabetes result in a world where sugar is cheap and plentiful, we may create problems with the sexual freedom we now have, and should be aware and cautious.

[@PrettyBlueSkyeEyes]

A lot of us did at the same time. Hawk Nelson singer did same time as us

[@joshuaokoro-sokoh2993]

Frankly I think of ethics as more superior to morality. Ethics is based on the greater good, objective benefit, morality is based on societal judgement of right and wrong, 17:30 You could say the same thing about eating certain animals that were considered unclean, because back then they caused serious Diseases.

[@ChrisTheCasual]

Hows it going brother im just now recently putting my faith into christianity fully 4 months ago because all my life ive been a satanist and it just hasnt worked for me so lets try christianity see where it takes me so far its been good And i also wish you the best on your journey

[@harveywabbit9541]

They did call Jesus by the name Beelzebub aka Satan.

[@ChrisTheCasual]

@harveywabbit9541 jesus Is not satan my friend

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@ChrisTheCasual Beelzebub is SATAN and Jesus was called this name.

[@Muysc_quyne]

Of course it feels good, religions are supposed to make you feel good extinguishing uncertainty, giving you purpose, making you feel part of a trascendental community, and even making you feel you know better than anyone else... Also, Christians are experts in love-bombing. That feels good and only very few people would give up that if reality is not as satisfactory...

[@NightsideOfParadise]

Brother, they are "opposite sides of the same force". Negative polarity and positive polarity that exists in every human. Sometimes you need to be more selfish and sometimes you have to sacrifice for other people.

[@ouvaysuave9703]

29:15 they are doing it up until they get caught then it's "he who is without sin cast the first stone"

[@-Thelordismyshepherd-]

Serious question for you; Do you still sin?

[@tonymiller3788]

I'll go out on a limb and answer this question and I think Timmy would agree. No, there is no such thing as sin. Sin is an offense against God. Since God is imaginary, sin is also imaginary.

[@69camaro19]

👍

[@heatherclark8668]

I don't agree with purity culture either but one very real issue with sex outside marriage is the possibility of pregnancy. There is no contraceptive method that is 100% safe. Even sterilisation can go wrong.

[@LovinOffGrid]

make a list with a line down the middle One side good One side bad If the good outweighs the bad it's a win If the bad outweighs the good it's a sin Lol

[@AEPhotog1]

The Fairy-Tale Myth: If you remain pure, God will bless you with a loving spouse and marriage. False.

[@tonymiller3788]

Yep, I can vouch for that. 52 years old and I've been with one women, my wife of 30 years. She had sex with 3 other people before we were married. Been 2 years since she had sex with me because I stopped believing in her imaginary friend. Witholding sex and affection have always been her go to manipulation tactics ever since we've been together. And I was too naive to realize how wrong it was because I had no experience and tried to stay pure. Now I'm living in sexual hell. Cheat and she'll divorce me and because she's always been a stay at home mom and we still have 2 minor children, I get to lose everything I've worked hard for. Purity is no guarantee of anything other than naivete.

[@bethkirsch2365]

All permissible if consenting adults...

[@clarencehammer3556]

Yes, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else as in the case of cheating. I have experienced that pain. My first wife had several affairs and one night stands that she confessed to. I found that to be very painful emotionally.

[@Godless_Doc]

@@clarencehammer3556you didn’t watch the video.

[@arnelnaca702]

yep just like what the bible says. read the entire Roman 1:1-32 and tell me if the bible is not true.

[@PeggyPiggott-ie1zm]

Religion has always been a way to "manage" people. I believe the bible was well intentioned. With regard to sexuality, I believe there has always been an interest in protecting children and the family. But you're asking the right questions. As we discover our gay or trans friends, the bible isn't helpful. So how do we move forward with love and compassion without the guidance of the bible?

[@JohnGalt1960]

Fornication is sinful,you cant change that. It destroys lives. Always has. ☠️

[@lordvoldamort4606]

Consenting adults is still purity culture. It's a reaction to he base thought of stolen innocence. ie. purity.

[@Muysc_quyne]

Yes and no. The base now is power assimetry... That's why we don't approve sex exploitation and pedophilia. Coercion in sex relationships is the devil for current ethics

[@Muysc_quyne]

Not really. Our reasoning now is based on power assimetry... but indeed many people still think we are protecting "innocence" because this world is full of religious people

[@sonneyputh6503]

Wow, Christ is King. Please don’t turn your back on Him. Cuz every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess!!

[@betsyzimmerman5837]

Absurd (only listened to 50 ish seconds)

[@LovinOffGrid]

make a list with a line down the middle One side good One side bad If the good outweighs the bad it's a win If the bad outweighs the good it's a sin Lol