How long does the Valve Index last? (There's a fatal flaw)

This is my Valve index after 10 months of nearly daily usage. Did it Survive?
Some of my time in usage was pretty rough, but generally it was just daily sometimes 6-8 hour play sessions along with some sleeping in VR if you'd believe that.
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[@milan7689]

im already waiting for the stream!

[@JackTheSuperBall]

what time

[@APerson-xg4cx]

What is the outdo song called

[@charliesmith3890]

Can you make a video on the most reliable headsets?

[@gabofloyd1211]

hey ThrillSeeker, I work at a virtual reality arcade (worked, cause of covid) and we use the htc vive for half of our headsets, and we have that same issue that you stated at 7:48 and it is because of the cable. We use the 3 in 1 cable that is provided by htc (I'll link it) but we use that same pully system and it only takes about a month to a month and a half of use for us for one cable to die, and it is simply a matter of replacing said cable, which is a little pricey, but worth it for us. yes we do remind our guests to not spin, but for first timers it is extremely difficult to not spin. anyways just thought i'd let you know, it wasn't your headset but the cable, oh and we use a velcro cable tie on the headset to make sure the cable stays on the back of the headset and not on the side.

[@wojtekpolska1013]

what i learned in this video: -Valve has great customer support -If possible, write down the serial numbers of controllers, cuz the text wears off -secure the cables

[@SpiriDussgaming]

wojtekpolska they do have verry good customrr suport, i had a problem( i got an steam accout from someone for free)that person took it back after 2 years, i told them the truth and guess what, they deleted all the games i have bought on the other account and they gave me allmost 1k€ on another account, to bad i couldnt order a valve index then cause i wouldve ordered it instalty allso 2 weeks after i spent all the money. (gifting friends) they put the vive on the store :(

[@napiski2260]

@@SpiriDussgaming It's against ToS to share accounts, just so you know.

[@SpiriDussgaming]

Napiski i know that, that admin told me too, but that doesent matter, he helped me and that makes the support good in my eyes,

[@napiski2260]

@@SpiriDussgaming Oh, I interpreted wrong.

[@SpiriDussgaming]

Napiski np

[@KajumaFox]

The real torture is waiting 8 weeks For it to ship and then having the wait time reupdate to 7-9 weeks

[@SKO_PL]

oh no, I just placed an order on Sunday, I hope this won't happen

[@doxl4208]

Oh that cen be soo bad

[@senpuus6586]

The REAL torture is being in a country they don't ship too

[@SkarmGamerLPs]

I placed an order a week ago. Still says 8 weeks :(

[@kingpanguan]

@@SkarmGamerLPs oof

[@kevvsterrr9999]

Seems like Valve has really got you covered with the warranty.

[@jamielapping]

Yeah I’ve had such problems with oculus support they seem to be much better

[@OliverEye]

Jamie Lapping my quest wasn’t turning on so I put it out and in ten minutes I already found out how to fix it

[@lluc5s]

Oliver Eye oculus support is pretty nice about it but so is valve (edit) I meant steam support not valve

[@greaseball8057]

dynamic oculus is stingy about getting a “new” part for your oculus due to a defect, im trying to get a new one because my warranty has like 3 months left but i have the 3 dots glitch and I cant fix it, so im waiting for the oculus support to help me

[@tronnygd6696]

@Mr. Vic a few more than 2

[@Karpata1]

Looks like Valve is one of the few companies in this day and age that still remembers that customer support is where the money is made in the long run

[@T--xo2uq]

Valve's a private company, as long as they keep the office running, they do whatever they want. Most companies need to make money for stockholders.

[@ryanmalin]

support is not where you make money! thats where you lose money

[@le-johnny9236]

@sabage cabage123 I think I can agree, I keep buying from steam because I know I can return anything if it's crap or doesn't work and I go right back to spending that same money again.

[@RandoSavage101]

They have you send back the original product, they fix it up and resell it under the title certified refurbished at a slightly reduced price. So I don’t believe they lose all that much money especially maintaining a good standing with their consumers.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

That's how they got big Steam in the first place. They realised that instead of punishing the customer with anti consumer DRMs and restrictive policies, give them good customer support and service and they'll be loyal to the brand. Thats how Apple retains all their fans.

[@rite.3839]

You can tell that after playing HL:A, he instinctively reaches over his back for ammo in Boneworks now.

[@IcyEspresso]

I'm just happy I'm not alone at all.

[@underflip2]

I absolutely did the same lol

[@roflBeck]

It's the opposite for me. I keep reaching my belt for ammo when playing Half-Life lol. I find Boneworks more fun, so I must have developed more muscle memory for it.

[@irondragon9952]

For me I try and flick the guns towards me in boneworks like I have the Russell’s on. Lol

[@underflip2]

@@irondragon9952 Yeah i kinda want the russells in every game now lol

[@Shlooomth]

“I sleep in VR” Cable pulley system Breakdancing I think most normal people will be fine

[@bezrodnyigor]

Valve has a history of great hardware design and questionable build quality. Lighter usage will result in fewer problems but rest assured, there will be problems. At launch, some of the controllers came with bad sticks out of the box so... That being said, it is the best headset on the market so if you want the definitive experience you just have to deal with it.

[@ifshy]

that's what i was thinking the whole video

[@Sheridan2LT]

@@bezrodnyigor "you just have to deal with it" alright great. Monopoly, and fuck you, Valve is perfect, deal with it!

[@bezrodnyigor]

2LT Sheridan I’m not saying it’s a good thing. And neither Valve, nor Index are perfect by any means. To be completely honest, if I were to recommend someone (especially newcomers to VR) the PC headset, it would be Rift S. But if you know what you’re doing and want the most advanced consumer headset out there - it’s Index, and reliability concerns don’t really matter here.

[@Sheridan2LT]

@@bezrodnyigor Yes, you really are. That's EXACTLY what you're saying. :) I think we're done here..

[@NeosunST]

To anyone experiencing the cable issue he mentions starting at 7:47: Assuming your headset is fine to begin with and you are sure it is a problem with the cable exclusively (In ThrillSeeker's case, he had broken the mounting tab and therefore needed to replace the HMD itself to prevent future issues), you don't actually have to request an RMA for the entire headset. Valve is more than willing to send you out a replacement cable free of charge (in my experience at least) and this can even be done past your warranty's expiration date (to my knowledge). For anyone having issues replacing their cable because of how it's mounted onto the headset, it's relatively easy to dismount it. Start by taking off the padded face gasket (it's magnetic, don't worry) to expose the port for your cable. Next you'll see a box-shaped clamp just short of where the port is. You're going to want to gently grab it by the front and back (vertically) and gently pull upwards. If you have to shake it a bit, go *forward* and *back* (do NOT wiggle side to side. This will break your tab and cause unnecessary wear and tear in the future). At that point, all that's left is the half-ring clamp on the back of the headrest. This one might tire your thumb the first time around, but the fastest way to remove it is to apply force with your thumb and press it upward (It's very sturdy. It will not crack from doing this. Don't be afraid to get a little rough here). Your cable should now be properly dismounted and you can now pull the plug out from the port. Be mindful that this, too, is going to require a bit of force to get out. Also bear in mind, when replacing the cable, your replacement should be seated as firmly as you can into the port. From here, all you need to do is put back on your clamps and face gasket and it should be good to go. If you are noticing that your HMD is not powering on after replacing your cable, make sure the cable is pushed in far enough into the port. Should my instructions not come clear, or you need pictures, consult this guide on Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/f5g1p0/tutorial_how_to_remove_or_replace_the_cable_from/ Thank you ThrillSeeker for making this video, as it puts a lot of problems that many people experience into perspective for people who are looking into getting their hands on this kit. I've had my Index since the second wave of them came around in August 2019. I've definitely had my share of stick drift and (obviously) the dreaded cable problems. Hopefully this comment will be of use to some people out there who are sitting with a supposedly bricked HMD. Stay safe out there, folks :)

[@stereotoast2408]

Thats deep

[@zyphilux]

Valve wouldn't let me get a free replacement for my cable after my warranty. Had to buy a new one :'(

[@craftnut]

all this talk about drift is giving me nintendo switch flashbacks

[@shnubdawg7730]

*Deja vu intensifies*

[@FoxHartley]

*shudders*

[@smolderingawesome]

Ah, yes the infamous drift...at least I don't get that on my pro controller

[@puddledelta6285]

@@smolderingawesome the pro controller uses the same stick hardware as the xbox 360 which is tried and tested, it's just joycons that use nintendo's new hardware which is dodgey

[@evilparadigm]

@@puddledelta6285 It's unfortunate, because Nintendo prides itself on QC. Their product failure rate is under 1%, as in that's what is expected from manufacturers producing Nintendo hardware. Obviously, some things fall through the cracks.

[@ryderhavoc1534]

I'd like to say, I work at a VR Arcade, and I believe your "Starry overlay audio popping" problem was actually a cable problem. I don't personally own an Index (Yet, Getting mine later this week) but my arcade uses Vives with a pulley system for each of the headsets. I have had that exact problem you described in your video, and I can say with almost 100% certainty, that the problem was with the cable. After every 6 months or so one of our 10 cables does the same things you described. All we do is pull out the cable, get a new one, and connect the new one. That *should* fix that major problem. It is very much not an "If" but more so a "When" but the best way to keep it safe is after every session you unplug the cable and uncoil it so it is as straight as it can be. Love the content.

[@scno0B1]

you can make it happen less if you reduce the strain on your cables. cable ties ftw :=)

[@Draconic74]

It sounds similar to a problem I had with my Vive. I had gotten some longer cables leading up the box, but every once in a while I would go through an entire "re-connect everything, reboot everything, redo it all" process. There was a point where it was happening constantly, really killed my want to play those games. Moved stuff around in my house and my computer ended up in a room which gave me a better play area and decided to hook it all back up. Used the HDMI that came in the box this time thanks to the extra space and no issues since. The Vive cables seems like they are anchored a lot better on the headset itself, but that is probably something Valve can fix in further iterations with the Index.

[@NithinJune]

"Getting mine later this week"

[@taerdryn]

The problem with the Index is that you can't unplug or swap the cable from it like with other headsets.

[@MitchellKT]

thats whats good about the original vive's fat wide cable, if you twist it up its easy to see and undo.

[@jaqssmith1666]

"i sleep in VR" this guy's the real deal.

[@douglasfisher4068]

I’d only be able to do that with maybe the quest. Don’t know how I would ever be comfortable sleeping with it on lol

[@standbyducks4177]

i sleep in my index all the time, been doing it for like 5 months. although the ear peices are very wiggly now lol

[@MT-gl4cn]

what the fuck guys why someone would sleep in headset oO ??

[@gosucab944]

@@MT-gl4cn Other than getting a surreal awakening because you wake up and are not in the real world, I don't get it. I tried one time but its just extremly uncomfortable and you have the faint light from the screen in your face even if its dark in VR.

[@ThisIsMeArnold]

@@gosucab944 ??? Same reason people use ASMR videos? There are VR apps to aid sleep, relax, induce dreams, etc.

[@AceCrasher24]

also helps to remember that they do replace parts within reason, unlike others that refuse or have more strict policies. you might be paying a lot, part of that allows for replacements. unlike other vrs designed to profit from the new industry, valve want to grow the industry. experience and fairness is what they offer.

[@helltbrother2]

As a new Index owner (I just got mine today!) and as someone who's never had a VR kit before I wanted to let you know ThrillSeeker that the fatal flaw for the Index is no longer a issues! In addition to the tab on the Index (the one that is known to break) they have also added a new holding strap to the back of the headset to hold the cable. So now the cable drops off of the headset at the back of the users head and not from the side. So they are listening to feedback and showing it with actions! :D

[@snapper26]

So, how has been your experience with the HMD in the last year? Everything is working properly?

[@theredpanda00]

please let us know man how's it doing

[@foggycloud2583]

@@TraumaBeast I got mine last week and it has two straps on it. One on the side just behind the speaker that clamps the cable firmly in place and a second one on the left corner of the lower rung of the back side that holds the cable loosely. Does yours not have the second one? The second one does seem like it'll snap off easily if the cable was jerked though.

[@nick11crafter]

​@@snapper26 I also got mine last year, back in March. I haven't played it probably as hard as a lot of people as my play space is rather restrictive, but I have played a lot of variety in games and the headset has always held up well in them with great performance and awesome visual fidelity (even though my computer isn't strong enough for the higher end settings). The cable does have a second cable holder on the back like the first poster mentioned and I haven't seen any signs of ware on the cable at all. Not sure what kinda bad luck @KW Studios got to not have the second cable strap, I can definitely see it breaking easily if that isn't there, but like the video suggests there is always tape as a preventative measure or 'fix'.

[@livingthedream915]

This is a lot of good advice for anyone who owns a VR headset - Vive, Oculus, Mixed reality or whatever. I'm bummed out the durability is an issue and I hope Valve's next iteration takes this into account.

[@laos85]

They better or I will not give them money

[@BradzTech]

Very true. While it would be nice for future headsets to place increased focus on durability, I doubt the Index is notably *worse* than other headsets of today, when used under similar conditions.

[@Ruby_Mochii]

Well, nothing lasts forever and that is the truth, even no matter how much careful or how much you look after it, things can still fail. For the most part, if an item is used within it's life's range, it should last. This video is more of the worst case scenario and I don't think that you'll have much problems unless you use it a lot like he did.

[@justghostie4948]

@@Ruby_Mochii A VR headset is a full priced high end PC component, if it doesn't last as long as my graphics card or Keyboard and mouse then it's just bad design and you can't just chug it to "nothing lasts forever". My PSVR (Pretty much worst VR headset) which I've been using for a year and a half is still running strong without any issues except for blurry lenses since I used to clean it with my shirt and basically anything closeby that wasn't microfiber but that's misuse on my part

[@Ruby_Mochii]

@@justghostie4948 it doesn't mean it's a premium that it's going to last forever. You aren't always paying for reliability and the higher the specs, the higher the failure rate. Someone else's Ferarri may not last as long as your Corolla, everyone knows that. By far, the Valve Index is the best out there and they have put a lot of innovation. You will never get anything perfect that's the best and like no other, there are always compromises and such thing doesn't exist. VR has not been for very long, comparing it to something that has been for decades is unfitting. It's also attached to you and moves around more than your pc components. I'm not promoting Valve, but that's just how it is in many things. If you're happy with what you've got well, I'm glad for you. If you don't want to spend that's fine as well, no one is forcing you.

[@Espurrz]

I see, the valve index is a $600 vr headset with included $400 tech support

[@bitnatures]

Lol the Cosmos is way overpriced then. You get no tech support and have to pay for similar hardware.

[@humanentity5890]

Headset only costs $499

[@make9268]

Compared to HTC, Steam tech support is from a different universe. When I got my HTC Vive, its screen broke down after just a few months and I didn't get a replacement, and they wanted me to pay 300€ for the inspection. I didn't, but I had to buy a new visor for 200€ from third party. Soon after one of the controllers broke. I wanted to send it to HTC but after reading that they will probably just do the same they did with the visor and ask for 100€-150€ (more than a new controller is worth) I gave up and just fixed it myself. Few years passed and Valve Index was released, I ordered one but didn't receive it for >3 weeks due to shipping issues. Losing hope of ever getting it, I contacted Steam support and they sent me a new one with DHL one day delivery for FREE. That's right, they sent me a new one AND gave me a refund. Can you imagine that.

[@freewings2188]

@@humanentity5890 he also got his controllers fixed and I think his base stations

[@chawkfan94]

Plus the best R&D & testing in all of the VR market for free?

[@Galkan]

1:15 Base stations issues 2:21 Controllers issues 5:20 Headset issues 6:11 Facial interface issues 7:19 Headset/cable issues 10:54 Rubber eyepiece issues 11:03 Summary

[@Shezza_1212]

We need more people like you.

[@CheeseburgerStreaming]

That’s deep

[@Larry]

I hope Valve consider making a second generation version, I was seriously considering buying an Index, but this video wants me to stick to my Samsung Odyssey for the time being.

[@justitgstuff5284]

The Odyssey is still a really good headset. It'd be best to just wait for Valve's next headset and controllers.

[@oliverwithers9736]

They did in july

[@mrwisefluffer]

This guy is just rough with his kit, mine is in mint condition 1600 hours in. He’s just a hashy ham fisted toddler.

[@jeff-hd9og]

God Fish bruh u just killed him

[@gamingfreako7480]

@@mrwisefluffer Yeah, just looking at his headset he clearly doesn't take care of it. That thing looks filthy and beat up

[@BreadVR]

Another Well done video! Let's hope Valve will address these issues!

[@stuckinthepastproductions4329]

I hope somehow someone makes sure Valve sees this video.

[@GokouZWAR]

These issues are not specific to valve. Cable wear is common failure, controllers get whacked and break, sticks get jammed even on the oculus, base stations are not as common failures that I have seen but everything else is pretty much common to ANY VR headset. It’s when parts aren’t available anymore that will be the problem. Oculus rift cv1 parts are not available from oculus anymore so people are gouging the crap out of spare parts and some of them aren’t even any good.

[@kamalbassma3482]

this gen of VR is definitely going to be a major "hindsight is 20/20" era for a gen or two down the line.

[@Slayback2102]

What does that mean? :)

[@arniebmx]

@@Slayback2102 it means vr seams great to us now but 2 generations down the line the index will seem closer to a super Nintendo than it does to a ps5.

[@Slayback2102]

@@arniebmx thanks for the explanation!

[@ge2719]

@@arniebmx how does that have anything to do with hindsight. we know that right now, its going to be no more obvious in 5-10 years time than it already is. tech gets better.

[@2koolification]

@@ge2719 a lot of the improvements will just be better tech, yes. But I'd imagine just as many, if not more, would be possible with today's tech if it was just applied differently. There's going to be a ton of ergonomic, layout, and fundamental design changes that will seem obvious once they've been made.

[@juliet4093]

the comments are insane "this thing isn't worth it lol, it doesn't last" my guy it lasted 1000 hours with extreme use

[@chinchy111]

Lasted 1000 hours because he kept fixing stuff that broke

[@akirakurusu6502]

To be fair he sleeps, breakdances and did a handstand in VR lol

[@KilgoreOnDrugs]

To be fair most console controllers and the like wont last 1000 hr well neither.

[@GAMEFIGHTER3000]

@@KilgoreOnDrugs They don't cost 1000$ tho.

[@BeHappyTo]

@@KilgoreOnDrugs idk man, ive used my 35usd xbox one controller for way more than 4 months and it still works

[@mercer6323]

"I go hard in Pavlov" love it.

[@elio610]

”I’m never gonna financially recover from this”

[@bramos3803]

Just search a job ^^

[@22oreos]

@@bramos3803 r/woosh

[@SilasTheSilent]

@@bramos3803 search all you want, your not finding Don Lewis.

[@bramos3803]

@@22oreos r/woosh. Did you noticed the: "^^"?

[@harrison00xXx]

@@22oreos what means r/woosh, is this some sort brain damage? Yours btw ;) explain pls in a proper words if you are capable of

[@awhipple1875]

Valve index so many flaws, could break. "Yes I still recommend it"

[@smackaroy2235]

For 1k I expect more I think I'll stick to my working no problems rift s

[@Mikania-vt5rq]

@@smackaroy2235 I with quest

[@AdamWhistle1]

It's still probably the best VR kit on the market but the durability of the thing is bad.

[@epinephrine4689]

@@smackaroy2235 It'll happen eventually, sometimes my controllers lose tracking and can only regain by reconnecting the USB cable; and sometimes it registers the trigger on your dominant hand as if your finger was always on it, and a very small degree of drift. I don't think it's just the INDEX's flaw, but just overall wear of all HMDs or devices; most likely a global issue as with all other controllers with joysticks..

[@saschaweimert2124]

To be fair, he did a headstand while in VR Chat and fell on his Index. After that he got audio problems (he himself said it in a video before). Like he said, he is an extreme case. He uses the index A LOT and harsh. And if Valve does good customer support, sure would also recommend.

[@blankpaper2576]

The minute he sai” I sleep in vr occasionally” I just was just like does he ever take the thing off

[@Mir_Teiwaz]

I'm just going to assume he edits video in VR as well at this point.

[@CheeseburgerStreaming]

@@Mir_Teiwaz that would be a nightmare, doing things on your pc in VR Is kind of hard already but fpsVR and Virtual Desktop help but still hard

[@nobully_osu]

@@CheeseburgerStreaming how would an fps overlay make desktop use easier?

[@astroreflux]

10:00 also while you play, tuck a loop of cable into your waistband with enough slack that you can move your head around freely. this also removes cable weight, which may cause the index to become more front heavy, but it feels good to me.

[@jwwaldre82]

I use a velcro strap (that came with the index) to connect a loop of the wire to the top headstrap. It takes weight off of the weakpoint and centers the wire on the back of your head (win-win!).

[@d.b.cooper170]

I made a belt strap and sewed a plastic clip on it so I can just clip that around my waist then a second one for below my left knee to route the cable. The routing gets the cable away from me. if it ever moves to the the wrong spot or if I step on it, I just kick my left leg out and its gone.

[@rhettorical]

Anyone who's worked with audio equipment knows this fix by heart. Many a microphone and guitar has been damaged by not taking that into account. At this point it's second-nature to me.

[@velentinex6988]

Hm

[@felicityc]

what if I play naked?

[@Trancefreakeh]

So basically: Over-engineer the knuckles to the point they are PS, Nintendo or Xbox worthy. The finish is too bad, but really not an issue as long as the glue doesn't get sticky or the plastic too glossy and slippery. Try and unify the cable design so it is freely available in shops no matter the brand. Get a rugged/kevlar version as well. After all, it's just DP, USB3 and power, right? Headphone manufacturers have started this as well, though it's hardly a standard. Anti-pull devices for cables are far and wide available and have been since as far as I opened electric devices. A C-clamp with a screw, of a rubber molding with a lid. Redesign the base-stations and or way of tracking. Make the back head cushion replaceable as well. use a different glue, perhaps epoxy for the rubber lens gasket. You now, this aint bad, since you've enjoyed months of top notch VR play. It would be way worse to have a really sturdy headset but a 'meh' VR experience. From now on, if Valve listens to the RMA services, they can only improve.

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

ps and xbox controllers last forever lol

[@Trancefreakeh]

@@matrixarsmusicworkshop561 exactly! ;) I wouldn't mind showing the Index to my children in 15 years telling about it like I when I discovered an old NES or XBox :)

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

@@Trancefreakeh ahhh ok right. Sorry i misunderstood

[@aurelionight]

I don't know why (well, that's a lie, I DO know why) more devices don't let you do this, but ESPECIALLY with high-end, expensive hardware like HMDs, they really need to standardize the practice of allowing you to just unplug (not desolder and then add a new one, because most people don't want to do that unless their back is against the wall) the cable, and plug in a new one.

[@Falcodrin]

Nintendo worthy? Sure maybe the NES controllers were indestructible but joycons were a piece of garbage almost immediately.

[@MrXaniss]

When mine arrives, I'm taking a pic of the sort code, and getting 10 copies of the image to make sure they can't avoid replacing stuff

[@feels5460]

Valve will never avoid replacing stuff, I assure you that Valve is completely reliable. They're a great example of "The Customer is always right". They do practically anything you ask them as long as you didn't damage the thing deliberately

[@joshhardin666]

Thank you for sharing all of this information! I've been thinking about picking up an index for a while now, and it's really helpful to have some real world data about how they hold up over time and what the pain points are.

[@azurekite3870]

yup and it not worth getting cuz it has too many problems

[@gurkiiii]

lol I would literally cry if this happens even when the things after 1000 hours would happen

[@fogsaturate]

2:53 FINALLY! THANK YOU SO MUCH MY CONTROLLERS HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SQUEAKING FOR THE PAST 4 MONTHS AND I HAD NO CLUE HOW TO FIX IT (2 years of oculus rift cv1 usage)

[@boijone8440]

yeah, hes good like that

[@SoadAddict91]

My Vive controller triggers started doing that a year ago and I tried the compressed air/blowing into the housing fix. It worked for a couple days but started squeaking again because it's only a temporary solution. The true way to fix the squeaking was that I had to take apart the controllers (carefully!), and use a tiny amount of silicone grease on the trigger pivots.

[@TemperVoid]

I have had my Index for like 2 months now and I love it. I used it a lot of course when I first got it, but then it died down a few weeks later, and now recently, I am ALL IN again. The thing is a blast and I’m enjoying every second with it and taking all of your advice very seriously. Really appreciate your content bro.

[@cvonnbaugh3246]

I was just getting ready to place a order for one. Thank you for the advice I guess I'll wait for gen 2

[@lucasw4833]

Yo good to see this thrill, mine is shipping in “5-7” weeks and still super hyped. looking forward to the stream:)

[@baphomathedude8057]

Im excited for you! This vid scared me off from the index. Just bought the vive pro and it arrives tomorrow.

[@koumaken3268]

where exactly can you see your shipping time, where it gets updated every now and then?

[@jewmin7810]

Mine ships at the start of may

[@bitnatures]

@@baphomathedude8057 tbh I'm scared to buy HTC Vive cause I heard the support was terrible. I wish the index existed but with an oled panel. I locked in my reservation :) hopefully it happens during summer sale for those sweet points.

[@Lukeskywalken]

@@koumaken3268 Its under purchase history on steam, and it tells you the status of the Headset. My order says "ships in 8 weeks" as the status, I ordered mine a week and a half ago.

[@Coolar]

Damn I remember when you had 5k subs dude you really made it.

[@JMGamingIsGodly]

same back in may and june

[@engineeredaf1920]

This video is a banger. I bet it takes him over 100k 👍 mark

[@secret1404]

ye now when i look at his subs he has 97.5k subs lol

[@Numaz]

Right? It’s crazy seeing how much the videos have been upgraded over the last few months alone. The Tuesday Newsday intro was always so fulfilling to hear *and still is*

[@vmpere2637]

Bruh I been here since 40 this man was always putting out bangers, he's like the only vr channel I actively watch

[@ryvyr]

Many thanks for the warning and advice for preemptive solutions ^^

[@ApocMora]

Thank you for such an in depth and detailed video.

[@desertman123]

The Rift CV1 has a similar cable issue, replacements aren't made anymore so people sell them for $100+

Just sold mine with those issues for $230.. Yeah that hits home. But hey I got a quest with some of the cash so it could be way worse

[@JanstonCordell]

@ I'm thinking about selling my CV1 before these issues arise and putting the money toward a Rift S or a Quest. How much of an upgrade is the Quest over the CV1?

[@PyPylia]

My Rift S cable is twisted like hell because of my pulley system, luckily it’s not affecting me but it’s only a couple of months until it breaks.

[@WikiPeoples]

Hey bros the man asked a question - how much of an upgrade is Quest or Rift-S over CV1?

[@harrison00xXx]

@Zwenk Wiel no, if you use proper, high flexible, probably even a spiral cable, its some sort of indistructable. Its all because the companies save some cents on cables on a device, close to 1000$ the price! I am using sometimes daily over 10 years old (hi end) headphones from Sony and AKG, the sony with a (sadly fixed) spiral cable and the AKG with pretty flexible regular cable, but at least replacable for the 0815 user. Both cables saw already chairs rolling over and are looking still as new, except for some small cuts on a few places. I though already as VR headsets and controls were released, this will be an expensive fun. I also though companies will make much profit with it.... they use cheap controls (see the thumbstick with failures in the video), they use cheap materials (see the material falling off after 9 months usage), they didnt think about the serial number placement (see the rubbed off number)..... Companies like oculus and co made so much money with overpriced plastic inputs which cant even last longer than a year, thats poor, especially with the prices in mind. I would even prefer a cheap headset without electronics inside and only made for smartphones over such expensive, dedicated VR trash. Much cheaper, and i bet with a proper smartphone and lenses in the headset i believe the experience isnt much worse than such a 1000$ headset. Plus there will nothing break :)

[@TheLonelyViper]

Thrill....help me...my steamvr environment is tilted and I can't fix it...ive tried everything :(

[@8Beet]

FIrst, make sure your base stations are securely in place -- make sure they are tightly screwed onto whatever you are using to keep them propped up. The re-setup your play space. If this doesn't fix it you can use Advanced OpenVR Settings and modify the playspace rotation manually through that.

[@MyouKyuubi]

i realize this is an 8 month old comment, but make sure each base station is using their own, separate channel in the steam VR software. Things get real wonky if two or more stations use the same channel. xD

[@TheLonelyViper]

@@MyouKyuubi thx bud ive done that. I guess i just learned to live with it lol

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@TheLonelyViper lulz

[@puntachu]

I have the quest rn and was thinking about it, so thanks for the heads up!

[@2percentright]

"I've slept in VR." my condolences

[@her0880]

something I should know about?..

[@nobody2021]

If you think about it, dreams are virtual reality. Everyone sleeps in vr

[@tomu6859]

Was here when u had just over 700 subs. Let's gooo. Insane quality vids

[@Pred.]

Finally ordered an index recently. This vid was super useful!!

[@fubar12345]

This has made me appreciate how well the OG Vive HMD is made. I bought mine used - I have over 500 hours in VR in a wide variety of games. It looks tatty, but works perfectly. The cable had a kink like the one you showed when I bought it - a much worse kink actually, it's like a permanent right angle. Doesn't affect it.

[@azkray]

Nice great tips man! Just taped my headset in 3 different spots. glad i saw this before I broke the clips!

[@BeamDeam]

have you turned on the option, that the base stations go standby if steamvr is closed? So the base stations don't run 24/7.

[@meddy572]

Life hack. Don't have power supplied to your base stations when not in use. Learned this with my HTC Vive

[@makak_zeleny]

@@meddy572 no one has time to plug in both station every time you want to play something...

[@manfail7469]

I have a big ass place space and even I have the time to walk over and plug in a couple of wires into the wall sockets. Stop being lazy.

[@paisley4092]

@@makak_zeleny just attach them to a power strip with a switch if youre that lazy

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

@@makak_zeleny XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD lol!!!!! What a doomer. Some ppl are so lazy tho. Pay more than. Its easy to get used to plugging after a while

[@Fs-zo8ws]

Hm, it might be a good choice to wait some more time before buying one, just to see which long term problems will arise and be fixed

[@mrsafety]

I've been using my heavily since the release date and I haven't seen any of the problems you mentioned. How did you have such bad luck? Man. Sorry to hear that.

[@kritiqhd4785]

Hey man how’s the index still holding up? I’m thinking about ordering one soon

[@cripylocdog]

Mine has broken lots. Depends on the games you play I think. Fast shooter games wear out the thumb stick in 3-6 months. And lots of spinning in circles because of these games will wear your cable out in 10-12 months. 😉👍🏼

[@heroflame1038]

Congrats on 100k subscribers!

[@B4nan0n]

Problems I have with my index: broken small plastic in the cable, thumbstick drift in the left controller (I am not able to walk backwards anymore), and squeeze noise in the right trigger. And sometimes the finger tracking is very messy. I would love to to request new controllers... but I don't live in USA :/, I live in a country without official support or selling, the shipping from my house to Miami for example will be 90-100 dollars, and I guess I have to pay for the shipping from USA to my house after, so in that situation will be maybe almost 200 dollars only for the controllers, ahh... I miss my cv1, what can you recommend me to do?

[@bipedalorganisms]

Brooo I commented on one of your earliest Tuesday Newsdays back when you only had a few thousand subs. Look at you now, approaching 100k, congratz man!

[@ThrillSeekerVR]

Hey there! This whole channel is a thing because of you and people like you. I appreciate you so much words can't explain :) thank you

[@Starbrahan72]

Wanted to put this on at least one video, congrats on 100k

[@GameOnS1]

Congrats for hitting 100k!

[@KlabauterManiac]

0:35 You have some kind of custom cable holder on your ceiling, which is holding the cable before the plug. The cable should disconnect at the plug, they probably made it this way to prevent the damage you have. This is not a problem with Valve's Index, you are using it out of terms, this is why your cable is breaking. I have an Index, and every single time is accidentally pull on the cable, the plug unplugs, which is supposed to happen to prevent too much tension on the cable/index.

[@nail7904]

if you mean the thing on the floor in that frame, it doesn't come out nearly easy enough to help with that specific issue, it's so that you don't damage your pc if you walk too far.

[@xalex7923]

8:45 those problems also happen with the WMR headset that I have ( HP ). The cable itself is way better than there 8:45 but still inside is slowly dying. So its just general VR problems with the quality of the cable

[@zombierevel]

the same problem is with oculus. My first oculus cv1 cable died, the problem is that they are not selling it anymore and resellers are selling just the cable for over 100$, funny thing is I was lucky enough to win an aunction of a second hand headset + sensor for like 80$.

[@Jallu555]

Im glad that my og vive has really fat cable on it, still works like new after 2 years

[@tinygreenturtle]

Ty mate, nice overview

[@Tazandd]

Best thing for the wire fix is getting velcro cables management straps. Super cheap, soft, and easy to take off.

[@MrGunzngirlz]

Yeah, I also got my Index in the first week of shipping. My original hmd had a malfunctioning headphone upon arrival and the entire hmd was replaced. More recently I got the common stick drift in the left controller and got it replaced. My serial numbers also faded. My right trigger squeaked awhile but stopped. The grip on that controller also got cracked after a hard hit, and I mended it using plastic bonding agent. The finish on my controllers started getting scuffed by my grip extensions, so I custom wrapped them both in carbon fiber to protect them. All my RMAs have been really good, they sent me replacements without me having to ship anything to them first.

[@lsevent]

With how much down time? I've never RMA'd something and had issues, it's not something praise worthy. The turn around time is the real concern.

[@ipawnyanab]

Hearing all of this makes me happy I didn't jump on in immedeatly. I really wanted an index when i first heard of it, mostly cause of the controllers tbh. I've had my regular vive for over two years now and I have never had a single issue with my base stations or headsett. I have however recently been getting the fairly common issue with the vive controllers trackpad not letting you click anymore. That being said I don't come close to the number of hours you've used yours. I've been very on and off so I'm probably at somewhere around 400-500 hours.

[@underflip2]

It depends so much on how you use it and for how long. Many people had problems with their vive wands breaking but i never did. I have a index now and still haven't encountered any of these problems.

[@ipawnyanab]

@@underflip2 Agreed. Obviously anyone can get unlucky and just get a defective pair.I for one have used my gear very roughly. There are multiple battle scars in my living room caused by the wands, both walls and ceiling. The wands are extremely durable. Same goes for the headset, I've slept with it many times and I have been heavly intoxicated while wearing it countless times.

[@ThruTheWireless]

Nice video and thanks for all the comments w/similar feedback. I still use the CV1 still and have not had any issues other than the headphones. Got the HP G2 preordered but was about to cancel and get an index instead, but after seeing this video/comments i think ill stick w/the new Reverb.

[@nixpaFPS]

Congrats on 100k!

[@terminaldeity]

I just ordered one the other day. Think I'll be keeping my Odyssey+ as it were, and use that one for seated games or ones that don't need as good of tracking.

[@LilyBlossom1337]

When using wire tape, start by wrapping it around just the wire a few times, then continue the same strand of tape around the anchor point and wire. Doing this will secure it a hundred fold. c:

[@Nest-jv6kg]

I'll be sure to do this when I get mine. Thank you for the advice.

[@donteatdirt2870]

Congrats on 100k!!!!

[@AvaGamerStuff]

Was about to buy one. Changed my mind. thanks.

[@Zeakuro]

Zip ties: exists KZbinr: so I got some electrical tape

[@MrMegagurra]

I would actually go both since this issue is not even Index exclusive. My vanilla Rift got destroyed the same way.

[@oj1917]

A Zip tie is not a good fix here, there will still be movement unless you tighten to a degree that can potentially cause damage or at least pressure/strain of it's own. Whereas the tape will secure it in place with a much better distribution of pressure & less needed in the first place due to sticky. I suppose maybe if you used 6-10 zip ties along it it might be OK but I would be worried to try to just use one or two.

[@Swifter1243]

I got my index August of last year, I've spent 700 hours in VR. So far I've had: - 2 base stations break - 3 controllers break - headset is having the sparkling issue Steam Support has been good with replacing stuff.. but it's still not cool. I really hope they fix all these issues.

[@enxgma8085]

how the fuck do you break a base station? i have mine for 2 years and they work just fine as they arived lol

[@Swifter1243]

@@enxgma8085 I didn't touch them and they just suddenly died. Literally just a random hardware failure which is unfortunately not unheard of.

[@Iamtheowl5]

watching this one as i wait for valve to ship mine i'm really excited to get a new headset, im upgrading from a vive thats been put well through its paces and these tips will help me keep this one running for a while

[@lincolnmason2330]

Congrats on 100K!

[@jupitercentre1029]

Me and my friend are saving up money for PCs and indexes. This video is gonna be very helpful when we eventually encounter issues with the index. Thanks!

[@thisaccount3151]

AnyoneWhoIsEveryone or when you get an oculus or vive instead

[@jupitercentre1029]

This Account I mean. That’s what I was gonna do before the index was announced/launched. But I would rather have an index than the Vive or rift.

[@channelMasterGuiGame]

@@jupitercentre1029 We all would. If it didn't cost a thousand dollars and had this big quality issues.

[@jupitercentre1029]

Mestre do Val that’s fair. I wasn’t gonna buy the index for a while anyways. (Mostly because I don’t have money either heheh). But these quality issues should hopefully be resolved by the time I can afford it

[@sabinsx]

i feel like it should be much more reliable for the price point.

[@MrChoklad]

to be fair tho this guys is talking about more than a thousand hours of usage. Considering how few companies are actually investing in this and how much more than the competition it can do, I wouldnt go too hard. It should be better, but it seems to be still worth it to me

[@MrMegagurra]

This is kinda true, but this guy says he's using it 8 hours a day. Thats 50% of the time many humans spend awake each day. Puts some perspective.

[@frizzykid100]

@@MrChoklad Na that's bullshit. I've had my oculus for 2 years and have put well over 1000 hours into using it. I've had no issues at all with it besides software issues. 1000 hours is only a month and a half of actual use time btw. That's not very much time at all. controllers that cost 280$ shouldn't be having issues in just 1000 hours, a headset that costs 500$ shouldn't need to be replaced in only 1000 hours, A base station that costs 150$ shouldn't just die after 1000 hours. Base stations shouldn't break PERIOD, you don't even touch them like ever. They literally sit in the corner of your room and you do nothing to it. There are obviously design flaws on the Index if after 10 months and 1000 hours he's needed basically the whole entire 1000$ package replaced. I don't really care if he was break dancing or giving birth in VR. It is in valves best interest to make a more durable product so they don't need to replace hundreds of dollars worth of components when they break.

[@pacted484]

@@frizzykid100 I disagree with this alot tbh. Of course you should expect anything at this price to do its job no matter what but thats like saying a 100.000$ car should never have to be repaired or a 800$ knife should never have to be sharpened. The list goes on and on there is nothing that never ever breaks. Your argument for the base station for example is the same as argumenting a lightbulb should never fail. At some point it just becomes impossible to guarantee. Especially if it's something as small and delicate as modern technology. Also keep in mind vr is a very new field which is still being developed and improved constantly. Sadly the pest they can do at this point is to offer service included in the price, which in valves case is frankly amazing. This is the case with every premium product out there. Zippo for example doesnt exactly make a product worth their price but you get life long free repairs. Also I'm not sure how much you've ACTUALLY used your oculus but it aswell has alot of design flaws (trigger failure, thumbstick drivt etc.) which a ton of people have. Same as not everyone using the index will have the problems shown in the video. It just depends on every user individually since noone uses their products the same way.

[@noisevector]

@@pacted484 Not exactly. Each product you buy has a certain life expectancy for normal use that goes up as the price goes up. This clearly is no budget product and expected lifetime should certainly reflect that in being longer than 1000 hours without everything falling apart. When you buy a decent washing machine, you expect it to last at least say 10 years. You don't want to be repairing it after just 1 year of use.

[@MilesNocte]

After watching this video im going to wait for their next iteration. Thanks for the breakdown.

[@BigZestyLemons]

I've just started to get those sparkles/artifacts you talked about. It sucks but luckily I'm still under warranty, it's great that they offer such good service/no questions asked

[@gijsber6852]

Overthinking, lost my mind, push my head to overdrive! Good music taste. Like your video too!

[@mercury5003]

"Looks like base stations are out of stock so ironically im going to have to use one of these:" pulls out htc vive *angry unemployment sounds*

[@AlehandroSosa]

I haven't got a chance to open mine yet as I am abroad, but I definitely will try to preserve mine with your tips.

[@MidnightVRYT]

I placed an order and I'm waiting excitedly for my Index to come in! I'll make sure to do everything you suggest in this video, I want to make sure my Index lasts.

[@AugerHybrid]

Just gonna stick with mouse, keyboard and headphones: 5 years - working fine. I still believe that VR will be better and cheaper soon.

[@barrontrump3943]

yep even til this day this tech is still in its infancy

[@juliet4093]

dude, this is after 1000 hours ...

[@barrontrump3943]

Josh is that supposed to be an excuse? Lmao

[@duckdictator6531]

Barron Trump a Dollar an hour for the entertainment seems fairly reasonable. and anyway 1000 hours was 5 months ago. I’d assume he’s put at least as much again on them. And honestly this is enthusiast hardware, it’s not going to get cheaper, but it will get better, increasing the value.

[@barrontrump3943]

GorumGamer value is still debatable at this stage in development. Vr tech Is not close to being mainstream yet. Once it goes wireless, has 8k for each eye 180 degree vision and costs $500 then you will see me spend money on this overpriced plastic and laughable tech

[@freeman743]

Ive RMA'd my controllers 4 times, and now my hMD is experiencing the star field like you showed with constant signal cut outs. Sucks

[@mikkels4396]

Have you found a fix for this? It just happened to me too

[@tmp-3mtempest79]

Thank you for the warning about the cable! I'll be sure to tape mine down properly when it arrives, and get those serial numbers written down.

[@scottlavoie5405]

Thanks for the tips!

[@TigerDan04]

"I sleep in VR occasionally"... wow I've never even considered doing that! Is there a reason ya do this?

[@ragingfred]

When it happens to me it's because I fell asleep watching youtube on the HMD.

[@TigerDan04]

@@ragingfred I got ya. I thought this was a purposeful thing (maybe like a sleep-improving VR thing) you did and it blew my mind. Thanks for letting me know and please keep producing your content! I dig it : )

[@frizzykid100]

I don't follow this guy so not sure what he does in Vr, but sleeping in VR is something some people do who play VR chat, there are a lot of sleep rooms in that game where people just chill and lay down and sometimes throw a video on the video player.

[@Wynaughtt]

You get vibe in a perfect comf room floating among the stars while lofi plays softly all around. Cmon it looks so comfy u end up being comfy

[@blakenolen5062]

Thats super sad... I'm still using my CV1 almost everyday, and the only things wrong with it is there is no headphones working, and the controllers drift a bit. Other than that, it still works. I've had this head set for almost 3 years now! Hope Valve does something, especially for a $1000 headset...

[@douglasfisher4068]

Zie Wolfen they need to make a revision to it that will solve these issues, kinda how Sony would make a new model ps4 quietly

[@paullucci]

I have a CV1 that I use a couple times a month and it is still working as it did day one. Just throwing this out there for folks who are more on my end of the VR use spectrum.

[@shawnpepin7890]

@@paullucci I use my cv1 for working out. Box vr 30 minutes s times a week and plenty of gaming. I have probably sweated litres of sweat into that headset and the only issue I have had was my left touch controller and that was my fault due to punching a wall. It still works 99 percent of the time. A very well built headset

[@ragingfred]

This is what I like about the oculus quest + virtual desktop. Playing PCVR without any cables whatsoever is so liberating.

[@disky01]

Wow, glad I watched this before ordering one. Re: customer support, I would be careful before assuming that Valve is going to take amazing care of the average user. This guy does have a KZbin channel with over 100,000 subscribers, so it could easily mean that they just know who he is.

[@braxtonlinderer2185]

"Unless you're watching for *certain* things" *OH GOD!!! He's ON TO US!!!*

[@MalekiRe]

Sorry, dont get the joke, plz explain

[@jessicanurzhan8455]

The pixel issue is the cable connection on the breakaway point usually. The pins on it bend and wear out. I had to get a new cable for that. We fixed one cable so it is fixable but yeah that happens it just randomly does that.

[@devinallen827]

I absolutely love your videos. You got me to buy a Quest haha. Can you make a video about the best headphones for VR? It’s often overlooked

[@silverpunk1550]

Just got my Index a month ago and this video is giving me h e l l a anxiety lmao

[@CelGaming]

I just paid for my order and this video is giving me anxiety. I'm already looking up how I can refund if it turns out to be as flimsy as he mentions. I trust Valve though, but man if the product is as faulty as he says then there's no real fixing that with customer support.

[@redemption44]

@@CelGaming exactly. I almost bought one yesterday, but decided against it. Then I saw this video. If I'm spending A THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS on a VR headset, it should be indestructible smh.

[@kenn12588]

dont be, valve has great customer support and it is very like that you wont be sleeping in vr or doing handstands or extreme stuff

[@augustheat]

ive had the vive, vive pro, and index ( no base stations 2 or kuckles) and have had to replace one vive wand and 2 base station 1s and i dont play it as much as this guy. kind of annoyed.

[@redemption44]

@@augustheat wow. Thanks for that info

[@sann3044]

for the pixel flicker issue i got a new cable and that fixed it for me

[@kaidrevas3778]

Same here, people need to upvote comments like these so people know this. My warranty expired, and they even sent me a new cable for free. And mine, keep in mind, had gotten to a point where it completely failed.

[@trentaker69]

BRO U JUST HIT 100k,congrats

[@RhubarbSenpai]

"Shaken base station syndrome" got an audible laugh from me. Definitely appreciate the data on longevity for this headset, well done mate.

[@mart1us268]

We need more companies to makes more high specs, higher quality headsets to compete with the index. Not just more budget oriented ones like Oculus is doing. That's why I've been really curious about HP's next headset since they teased it. Even if we have almost no info on it, from what we know and the pictures it looks promising so far.

[@kyleturner7309]

Martin B-E Budget oriented VR are the future of VR. We need things like the Rift S because if we don’t keep trying to decrease the entry price of VR it’ll never truly take off like it could because too many people wouldn’t be willing to pay up.

[@ge2719]

the hp looks exactly like the first reverb only with off ear speakers from valve.

[@coryhalvorson8874]

People like you are the reason technology keeps rapidly getting more innovative and reliable at the same time. Keep up the hardware abuse, keep sharing the engineering mistakes these companies make, it's the only way this stuff gets better. Thank you.

[@gruverdog1]

Nothing lasts forever things break or stop working. I think the best part of this video is the valve customer care support knowing if this happens valve will be there to help you. That gives back some hope to all the things that could happen. I have owned electronics that broke that i had totally replace myself and it sucks. Being assured that valve will replace these things makes me happy that i chose the valve headset even more.

[@SimbaSeven.]

We dove into the Vive Pro when going into VR. Still running strong, but wouldn't mind upgrading the base stations and (maybe) the controllers in the future. This was almost 2 years ago with an entire family of 4 using it.

[@readyforlol]

"Just from using the headset as intended" "i occasionally sleep in VR" ...what.

[@elonsneko8897]

Well to be fair quite a lot of people sleep in vr. Mostly Vrchat to be exact. Id say a solid 5 percent of people that have a good vr have slept in it at least once.

[@papa_andy4497]

@@elonsneko8897 I dont understand why you would ever need to sleep in vr like just leave it on and sleep that way

[@weshouldhavenukedjapanathi8369]

@@papa_andy4497 What? Maybe I'm missing something but why would you leave your vr on and go to sleep normally?

[@porksubstrate]

7:52 has been going on since I've had my first and second rift s. ⚰️

[@porksubstrate]

Rift s cables are out of stock. 😕

[@NotGoodAtYoutube]

ErikLew you still have a warranty on it

[@porksubstrate]

@@NotGoodAtKZbin I honestly don't know 🤔. I'll probably request a support ticket.

[@crimsonchaos5037]

just get a quest :P

[@rambus9980]

It could also be dust that has been burnt in the lenses. This can happen if the lenses have been exposed to direct sunlight

[@Hoshi82]

This was the first thing I did with every HMD I have (Vive, Pimax) using electrical tape and tighten the spots on the cable which has high mechanical stress. But as an electrician I already got suspicios and taped them before anything could happen. So far my Index cable looks still new. Fingers crossed. :)

[@ASTC-Sinon]

Something I’ve noticed with nearly all headsets: The foam in the back part around your head will slowly be pushed away as you use it more and more. You will generally need to find a new cover or possibly even a custom pad to keep your head comfortable while playing.

[@meddy572]

Why am I even buying this thing and why is it hailed as such an elite headset. I don't understand. If I pay an entire 1k for a headset I shouldn't have to put up with shortcomings.

[@underflip2]

It is the best headset we can buy at the moment that's why its hyper up. Its an amazing headset. I've had my index since launch and I have hade none of these problems.

[@Teknanam]

Because despite its durability problems, it is still one of the best VR headsets and controllers and especially one of the best Lighthouse headsets. And also not eveyone has the lighthouse problems.