2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 vs 718 Spyder // When Numbers Don't Matter

This is the new 2020 718 Cayman GT4 and its joined by its slightly cheaper convertible twin, the 2020 Porsche Boxster Spyder. Both are a dream enthusiast formula. They are the Cayman and Boxster in their ultimate forms (until perhaps a GT4RS arrives), and what better way to test them than to hit some of our favourite back roads? Specced today at $148,000 CAD (GT4) and $129,000 CAD (Boxster Spyder), they command a hefty premium, so are they worth it? James and Thomas jump behind the wheel of both to experience them and discuss them inside and out. Watch and enjoy!
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[@lefenyalefenya324]

Also that would be the ideal accident conversation bey😂😂😂

[@shubham-------]

😂😂

[@fernandovillarreal4982]

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[@stephenbailinC7GS]

I, too, hit Porsche owners so I can talk to them about the one time I drove a 944...

[@jmm1174]

944s were great handling Porsches

[@acchaladka]

Can confirm, I used to own a 944t... spent all my time dodging people.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Please don't hit me...

[@Teme44]

acchaladka 😂😂

[@louie1086]

Lmao

[@adamkozolka6981]

James: "But obviously the biggest difference is the roof." Thomas: "Oh I didn't notice." I DIED

[@ethankim2425]

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[@Sovereign86]

*Whispers* “She’s dumb tho” 😂😂😂 Update: He is now single.

[@REVO515]

RIP Press F to pay respects

[@Equilibrium-db1yv]

He's better off anyway

[@phillm156]

Thomas : "It’s not the dress, it’s how it drapes on the body" James: "you need to change your wardrobe mate!" 😂😂😂

[@tervilsnaider3103]

😂😂😂

[@qikqbn77]

I am with Thomas. The 987 is still a beautiful car and amazing driving experience. Especially in 987 Cayman R or 987 Boxster Spyder form. James lost some car enthusiast points with me on that silly comment.

[@RNKel1]

qikqbn77 oh cool, I love Porsche so your channel looks cool :D

[@sergeantsqueaker]

@@qikqbn77 +1 987 Cayman is a classic design that will age very well imo.

[@danielmad]

This this that makes this channel special. The fact that you guys don't just talk about figures and numbers. You two really know what it means to drive and experience a car, and know what's important at the end of the day, how the car makes you feel. I've always wanted these cars, but you're right, if you can't enjoy it, what's the point? Maybe it's time i take down my Porsche posters and pin up an MX-5.

[@RoderickVoordouw]

I have both a Mk2 MX5 and a 2.7 986 Boxster. Of course the Boxster is faster, more comfrotable and more planted.Not to mention, that flat 6 howl.... However, the MX5 still brings a smile to my face whenever I drive it, so responsive and agile. Both are relatively affordable as well. At least, certainly compared to these two. So maybe not your dream cars, but very attainable cars that will make you happy and don't have to remain posters at your wall.

[@AkashSingh-vt9hy]

15:55 Thomas : your girlfriend couldn't figure out how to use the door straps. James : She's dumb 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@theoMX]

James is soooo deeeead!

[@baderali8099]

I’m mostly here for your intros And also your reviews...love them

[@zacharywilliams222]

I agree with the first sentence And the second.

[@kowalski9327]

Best intros on KZbin xD

[@ghoztmazta1]

Simply the greatest!

[@brewtalityk]

yeah... the intros are fuckin cringy

[@lucaslucas9505]

The acting is unbearable very cringey

[@BigfootsWeWe]

I love the Carrera GT aesthetics of the Spyder

[@sachamo100]

Why am I building a new home when I could be driving one of these?

[@dougrobinson8602]

I don't know. Maybe because your house won't depreciate 30% in 5 years? Depending upon markets, of course.

[@boltmix7294]

@@dougrobinson8602 Then don't buy cars in general

[@papa_pt]

buy a used $15k Boxster for 80% of the fun

[@evangolden3609]

🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏼

[@dylan_yvesdeconinck6633]

Austin that’s possible if you live in a country without stupid tax systems on cars, but I live in Belgium and just say that they like to tax a lot on cars here...

[@Fuckmymen]

You can only rev the first and second gear out? Laughing in German

[@maximravinet9950]

That only grants you 4 more seconds of fun at Best 😂

[@chooseymomschoose]

That is always the issue with manual power lovers in the US. Where you gonna drive it? Montana? The Track? (HA!) If you want to wind gears out an listen to the frequency rise, get an old Rabbit or Honda. Rowing the gears in a car that can hit 100MPH in 2nd is just putting busy work between you and overdrive.

[@maximravinet9950]

@@chooseymomschoose it's like 1-2-jail 🙂

[@richardstoffel6585]

chooseymomschoose hey i ride a ZX14R .... you can still stretch that 6th gear out. Maybe not legally.. but you can ;)

[@MissingLinkGTRS]

*laughs in autobahn*

[@saghi.r]

That intro tho, men will be men XD

[@nateisright]

When we look back in ten years, we will realize that these were the high watermark of interior design. Buttons for common functions, no buttons on the wheel. Brilliant!

[@oXj0s3Xo]

happiness is beyond 7000 RPM - c8 corvette has left the chat

[@ericmichel3857]

You mean the base model, the others will be arriving shortly. ;)

[@giezioba7214]

Honda s2000 AP1 entered the chat.

[@GoldMan27]

Celica GT-S ZZT231 has entered the chat

[@gtasanandreascluckinbell]

Corvette c8 zo6 entered the chat

[@vxer1000]

Mustang GT350R: Are you talking to me?

[@jonathanrichmond3971]

These intros are amazing, please never change

[@ThatGenericCanadian]

The GT4 is my dream vehicle. It just seems like the perfect middle ground of a sports car without being too brutal

[@Eastcoastcarclub]

Exactly. And extremely well made/ Goodlooking

[@MakkyTakiStoleYourBaki]

What do you think about of the gt4rs

[@DLiotine]

420hp, more than middle ground, imho ^^

[@vipe650r]

@@MakkyTakiStoleYourBaki Absolutely incredible car. I feel like at a certain point, though, you've lost all livability. To me, that's what really makes a good Porsche: It has to work as a daily. It shouldn't with what it can do on the track or from a stoplight. It shouldn't be that good and still be drivable and livable. I feel like the RS is drivable to the track, but really not livable or even enjoyable out on the road. You really can't rev it out, carbon ceramic brakes are apparently pretty unpleasant in normal city and highway driving. It's an absolutely special car, but I just don't think it would work out in the real world. I really want to be able to enjoy my Porsche the 95% of my life that I'm not at the track, as well as the 5% that I am.

[@todorplavic5827]

You know you're a Fan of Throttle House when Thomas says I'm Thomas and you automatically say I'm James

[@malcolmn.5222]

They need to make a shirt that says I'm James

[@seinsmeld13]

I had a 2016 GT4. I was retuning home in the Niagara area when I was pulled over by a cop. No ticket he just wanted to inform me that my front plate was ajar. I got out to look at it when he said, nice car. Now that was a nice cop.🥶

[@ClownWorldEnjoyer]

"We'll edit that out" Yep. Enjoy the couch, James :)

[@connermcgarrah2171]

0:01 ok but can we just take a second to look at James's head not moving?

[@jamesengelsman9369]

My mother was a chicken

[@iggyzulaica8521]

Hhaaha

[@maverickyt2653]

Doesn't work use this 0:01

[@connermcgarrah2171]

@@maverickyt2653 works for me lol

[@connermcgarrah2171]

@@jamesengelsman9369 lol i have chickens they are funny as hell.

[@dodgeslogcabins9034]

I dont recall the camera ever once showing the most distinctive unique feature of the 718 Spyder-- the raised tunnels featured on the rear deck. My favorite part of the entire car. Surprised that would be overlooked.

[@samhoward8551]

There is something about watching and listening to Porsche’s that makes me more excited to drive than any other car

[@martsmarts]

Analogue gauges... PERFECT. Im glad they didnt go digital. Most sensible, perfect sized Porsche in the market.

[@PapiAndrey]

If it had the gauges the 992 has, that would be even better, but I’m definitely not complaining.

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

The only thing that they need, in the case of the cars they reviewed, is the Porsche DCG

[@xAnts247x]

I discovered this channel in quarantine, and I must say, you guys are amazing, the production quality and the effort and time that goes into these. You guys are really really entertaining. Much love!

[@paul7328]

"Might as well be called blue balls blue" - James. Had me rollingg

[@johncartwright5179]

Or, ... "blue balls blues"

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

When I first heard of the gt4, all other "expensive" sportscars died for me. This is the ultimate dreamcar for me

[@Cars-and-Things]

Great video guys. I have the Spyder and I absolutely love it. My first drive in it was a 4.5 hour trip home. I have got the carbon bucket seats. After the first hour I thought blimey my back is sore but strangely after another hour or so the pain went away. I arrived home after an epic trip across country feeling wonderful. After two Lotus Elises I find the roof easy to put up or down. Unless it’s raining the roof stays down for even more enjoyment. This is truly a great car.

[@kingjinx9924]

so do you think that buckets are comfortable or not?

[@Cars-and-Things]

@@kingjinx9924 The heated buckets in my Spyder are very comfortable but they are not an option anymore. The only buckets available now on the Spyder feel too upright. A lot of owners modify them by fitting a couple of bespoke brackets that incline them very slightly. Apparently it makes a significant improvement.

[@cartergarnon6299]

@@kingjinx9924 it’s not the comfort, they’re actually quite comfortable. It’s getting in and out over the side bolsters. It’s and up/over deal where there steering wheel is an issue getting out for some folks and getting in is an ungraceful fall. You will be hurting for the first 15 minutes after you fall in. So for a 4 hour journey they’re actually relatively better than they are for quick runs around town…after you install the brackets to slightly recline them back. Not being able to get in and out, not being able to have the heating element if you want it, and no adjustability isn’t worth the little bit of savings…that carbon though…🤤

[@herwinladres3659]

*sigh* another Porsche car I will never be able to afford... *sees manual transmission* Aight down to the download section you go

[@Anankin12]

You will in 5 to 10 years, used... Unless you have ownership taxes

[@TheChenny73]

Why would you waste money anyways? Just watch and learn. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoKWqWdsZ9efo8k

[@ApothecaryTerry]

​@@TheChenny73 I'll see your MX-5 and raise you a French hatchback. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6Kmnqp5o7OYg6M That said, I bought a Porsche...but only because I couldn't find a 306 GTi-6 (or Lexus GSF...mmm).

[@thisisdudewhoru]

Cameron Smith what? 2016 gt4 and spyders haven’t even lost 20k dollars. Like 99% of them with a clean title are still over $85000 usd. Most were barely 100k new.

[@ConnorHammond]

@@thisisdudewhoru Crazy good value retention! The answer's obvious. We must.. buy new.

[@Loopsrainforest]

You guys are getting better & better exponentially! Very enjoyable to watch every episode.

[@glowingeddy]

Having owned a cayman 987 I feel like the points mentioned in this review are spot on. I've loved the car but to really have fun in one of them you have to drive at speeds not legal in most countries. This is also the reason I went back to a miata..

[@davidlane9556]

I find the all the talk about the flat 6 naturally aspirated sound amazing, but you can’t enjoy it on normal roads (where 99% of us drive). I own a 718 Cayman GTS (2.5 l turbo 😮) and the torque is usable everywhere. This is an amazing street car and a decent track car. I own cars for how they drive, not sound (at 9/10th) but this car also sounds great from 2/10th to 9/10th.

[@theFORZA66]

​@davidlane9556 you can enjoy them on normal roads, just need a radar detector and a smart head on your shoulders

[@Rafanator]

Love your intros keep doing them

[@obedthejusticeschultz]

I’ve always been a Porsche fan boy and the only Porsche Throttle House vid I could find was the Halloween one. I’ve loved the Porsche videos lately

[@eric.frasch]

The gear ratios are virtually the same as on the 997 GT3, and no one complained about it then. People say the 997 GT3 is a high water mark for Porsche driver's cars. The GT4 now has more HP than the 997 and weighs the same, so why does every single reviewer complain about the long gear ratios now?

[@liyichenaustin]

😂cuz everything else is so close to perfect～

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

Porshe to me is "THE" quintessential sports car, would LOVE to own one.

[@omardenarzi8226]

Both of these cars are wonderful and beautifully simple, thank you Thomas & James for these videos

[@dr.z1657]

The 981 and 718 GT4’s are absolute dream cars. In my opinion, better than the 911’s. It’s just a shame that Porsche purposely limited the HP/torque to prevent it from unseating the 911. Unfortunately, they _need_ that power gap to justify that $200k+ price tag for their flagship. Sadly, I think it will always be that way for the production life of the Cayman GT4, even if they make a RS version. The long gears are a common complaint, and I really hope they improve the ratios (in addition to adding more power) in later iterations. Sharkwerks in CA will regear the 981 and 718 to what it should have been out of the factory; however, the $10k cost and the loss of your PCNA warranty don’t seem worth it unless your pockets are deep enough.

[@JBOsurf]

The long gearing is not as big a problem as these guys make out. I've had my 981 GT4 since May and I can tell you, it's awesome. Country roads, nobody around, early morning, you can use the car, no problem. And the 981 sounds way better than the 718. Very, very happy owner here!

[@cartergarnon6299]

The 718’s valves close themselves, even with the button on, for most of the rev range. Once that’s sorted, either via a $250 controller, or a $.02 zip tie, you’re good to go. Pop in a couple air filters and you get the RS’s intake sound. That being said, if you’ve already got a dialed in 981, absolutely skip the 718.

[@esthetics4512]

@@cartergarnon6299 💯

[@4liter]

@@cartergarnon6299yep zip tie, GPF delete, and BMC filters. All it needs

[@darksideemt]

You guys are my heroes and envy you greatly. Thanks for always pumping out great reviews letting us dream through them.

[@xaviv6840]

You guys are SO good, you are causing a vacuum in enjoyment of other car channels. You basically embody what Porsche is in the context of the most complete sports car but you do it in the context of car review production.

[@niccanavan1028]

Honestly such good videos guys! Seeing you two enjoy the cars just puts me in a good mood! 😁

[@albertspecht7374]

great video guys as always. i never drove the new one but i'm blessed with the older gen GT4 and the only think i know is the difference in exhaust-sound

[@malcolmar]

I was never really interested in modern Porsche's until these came out. I LOVE the 718 Cayman GT4 with that manual. Even with that tall gearing I would take that over the flappy paddle offerings of other cars. Lets hope these sell so well that Porsche and other manufactures put some serious thought into have manuals available for all the cars in their line up as an option. Again much respect for those car manuals alive. Great episode!

[@westenbergerstephan5955]

What a joy to watch you both!!! But I guess the 718 made it rather easy for you to appreciate what was being offered to you. I think I need to watch this video again. Even if it's only to listen to the sound and to watch your happy faces again. Cheers from Germany - still not having a speed limit on the Autobahn and I pray to god it will never happen. :-)

[@kayedans8779]

TH review is so honest, you can tell they love what they do

[@miraamshah]

For us in Europe this will the best option. During the week I traffic in 2nd gear and no shifting and in weekends drive to Germany and rive out on the Autobahn 😁

[@unknownanon62]

Whenever I’m feeling down, I watch this video to hear that beautiful NA boxer super high-rev music.

[@Mr-mz4bb]

I wait every week for this.... thank you Throttle House for existing....

[@Sovereign86]

Once again with the TOP TIER intro skits!🤣👌🏾 Y’all have never disappointed!

[@renerobes30]

On my 991.2 C4S manual, same thing, long gearing, but wouldn't own it if it only came with PDK. I still have great fun being able to show my tail lights to 99% of the cars on the road. The interior and instrumentation on both of these cars is more pleasing to me than in the new 992 .

[@devaadithyabobby2967]

I love how much these guys love these cars. Thomas looked like he was on the verge of crying simply cause of how "in love" he was

[@Declan4253]

Guys, you are the first video I have heard to talk about the gear ratio correctly. Normally it is talked about as something that needs to be fixed. However, you prefaced the comment on the long ratios by saying 'Unless you are on the track...' That is exactly right. The ratio is great on track and that is the point. It is NOT a weakness, just a difference that you need to understand. Maybe you like to have the gearing for the street; OK. But if you want it for the track, then Porsche did it right for that purpose.

[@FarigYS]

This is low key becoming my favorite car review channel

[@lexRTD.]

I was watching autotraders new vid on the bentayga and this showed up. Perfection!

[@307skylake7]

Those 4.0l naturally aspirated flat 6's. DAMN they sound good. Especially in real life.

[@mssautomotive7374]

Great presenters, very watchable duo...just discovered you and you guys work so well. Extremely complimentary.

[@1nickgodthe]

One of your best videos so far, great job guys !

[@Fluterra]

My pick is the Spyder with a manual. It’s the junior Speedster for around 1/4 the price. For track use: GT4 with PDK

[@Fluterra]

C- 1/4 the price of the Speedster!! Read my post. Compare GT cab to cab.

[@hanswurst6742]

Wow I kinda asked for this last video. That was fast, thanks! Even though I don't like porsche, both of these always looked great!

[@leodinadadzie2887]

You come for the intros... And stay for the content. Just amazing🔥

[@futebaguy]

Allright, I have to hand it you guys... this is the best car review channel out there... I do watch a lot of these!

[@ggkanakestardom4370]

This duo should hit a million subs tonight

[@thisisdudewhoru]

It really honestly took me 15-20 drives to get accustomed to the posture of the buckets. Now I don’t have much of an issue with comfort. Have spent upwards of 5 hours in them without issue

[@mrhees45]

Love the broadsword analogy. Still the best and most entertaining car reviewers out there. Keep it up!

[@jagmohanbasran4879]

Thanks for the great perspective and weighting of the transmission issue. Very important information!

[@andibrema]

They should really make a Targa. Almost the stiffness of a coupe, especially with the roof attached, but still have the open top.

[@hnouh1090]

911 targa

[@NBXRacing]

@@hnouh1090 they mean a Cayman Targa

[@cartergarnon6299]

Here’s the thing about the Boxster vs Cayman; the Boxster came first. The Cayman is the exact same car PLUS a roof. It’s actually heavier than the Spyder. Most people get that wrong because usually the convertible is an afterthought. The Spyder isn’t a convertible, it’s a Spyder, that’s the difference. The Spyder is the best handling car ever made, no additional rigidity necessary.

[@krawczak9182]

I’m a bit of a corvette fan boy, but the GT4 is honestly the perfect Porsche

[@autumnleaf2976]

Is there Porsche corvette?🤔

[@ericmichel3857]

Accept for the gearing, and that wasn't an accident. For some reason Porsche tries to keep the Boxter/Cayman from outshining the 911.

[@ach6791]

@@ericmichel3857 Because the 911 has better profit margins. They can't have 911 Carrera customers jump down to a Cayman

[@lefenyalefenya324]

Best intros,lovely and honest opinions,very fun and engaging to watch♡

[@miklos182]

I love TH with all my heart... this is the best car test/review/fun channel...

[@PimpSolja49]

So the GT2 and the GT3 are 911's, but the GT4 is a 718? And the 911 Carerra 4S is a turbo but it's not a 911 Turbo S. So confusing!

[@paisis123]

Next up: Lotus Evora GT - The porsche competition to the GT4/Spyder.

[@siralanturing9103]

@auto blipper I think he meant Lotus competition

[@leonardoluc6362]

Porsche has no competition period. Looks, performance and top quality built. Oh image does help.

[@angelomanuel4848]

Really enjoyed the humour! Been watching a load of reviews on the Spyder.....cannot get over it.....need to testdrive one soon......I really enjoyed your review most! It made me subscribe ☺

[@Jesskellya]

Fantastic video as always guys! I have a GTS 4.0 in gentian blue coming early next year. I can not wait! I would love to see a review of that when it’s come here to Canada!

[@raymondkyruana118]

"Blue balls blue" That's genius

[@lifeofstafa5688]

The intro 👌🏼 haha

[@itzblacknred]

For this year's Halloween special, i would like to see an Old VS New hearse comparison. I can already see the "Dying to get in." jokes. Your chemistry and showmanship is amazing. ❤️

[@fostersmall3570]

Guys this is what true passion looks like. These guys are passionate

[@mominx2412]

"She's dumb", I appreciate the fact they didn't edit it out.

[@tkaymdala]

Throttle house is heavily underrated

[@1991julez]

This video was both great because of its content as usual but really well put together as well. Some great editing. I just want a Porsche now

[@stevemartegani]

The Star Wars shirt that matches the interior colors of the GT4... Bravo!

[@rovert94]

These cars are never going down in value.

[@FakingANerve]

Yeah, I don't think they'll ever be all that affordable.

[@stephenpencheff3151]

I think these two are the best duo car review drivers and are so fun to watch 👍

[@334trax2]

Great videos with good laughs. FYI I love the track comparison videos. 5:20 the fact that Porsche gets good HP and uses lower torque should be easier on the engine. The torque in my engine is why I'm not modifying anymore power than I'm up to now.

[@John-we7jx]

Nice reviews- the 2nd gearing is only an issue if you want to live in the 5-8k rev band - you can have lots of fun 3-5 and still stay legal

[@sparkle1234]

Yo James. Comparison between this and your Miata? Obviously different league, but same sport?

[@JoeJiron]

Excellent perspective of the GT4. Well said, you're right. Just comfortable enough to get you to the track but it's a track car. Just enough to show you on regular roads what it can do. KUDOS

[@mauiman52]

Thomas, James. James, Thomas....whatever. You guys are currently THE BEST car channel out there. Seriously. What a fun to watch you guys having different opinions, different perspectives, different cultural backgrounds (well...almost). Anyway, keep doing what you are doing! Please.

[@ovs4744]

i've driven both on a track and the gt4 is definitely made for racing, a very good purchase if you can't afford a gt3

[@FakingANerve]

Honestly, it reminds me of the 944 Turbo S. It's a 911 killer.

[@AlainHubert]

@15:57 Thomas: "I believe I was on the phone with you this morning and your girlfriend could not figure out how to open the door. That actually happened this morning.", James whispering: "she's dumb...". I died laughing! 🤣🤣 This is by far my favorite car review channel. Both for the intros, and the humor. Oh, and of course the technical content as well.

[@TheWombatCredenza]

I’m Wombat, and I’m watching Thortle House! (And loving it)

[@cvm6854]

Got to drive the new GT4 this past weekend for a few laps. It was amazing. I have a Infiniti G37 S and it’s the most responsive and powerful car I had driven prior. The main difference that I could tell immediately was the steering response and the grip. The track didn’t have any long straights so the fastest a good driver could get to is about 100 and I could get to 80. My Infiniti can go fast in a straight line…but when I took a corner in the GT4 at speed is when my face lit up. Each lap got better and I didn’t push the car anywhere near its limit and it was still exhilarating.

[@thespectralsorrows]

Make mine a Spyder, gorgeous and sounds amazing...while remaining comfortable for real life!

[@walthefl]

I would like those being compared to the cheaper boxter gts 4.0 that also has 6 cylinders...

[@car-nugget]

Almost Identical car mate

[@Ruben98RaptoR]

That's the one I'd prefer

[@jeffimix7405]

Ye aspirated 6cyl waaaay more fun experience

[@alichaudhry12]

This is now the best car review channel on KZbin...And from Ontario.. awesome

[@trevorhowell6575]

How did I miss this episode 9 months ago! Great intro and episode

[@user-be9pn9kh5p]

I would love to see these two do a grand tour or top gear sort of thing, it would be awesome

[@stevemiller1626]

Wish granted

[@fitfogey]

This is the best automotive channel on youtube.

[@Monkey80llx]

Carfection, with Henry reviewing?

[@Jthall1990]

Keep up the amazing work guys!

[@kb9072]

Neither of these cars interests me even a little bit but Throttle House is so entertaining that I watched it.

[@josephandreuccetti7270]

I’m glad they went back to the H6 engine and stay with it along with being naturally aspirated As much as I love turbos I miss the NA engines of the 90s and 2000s I hope they bring those back