2017 Honda Civic Type R vs. Subaru WRX STI -TRACK REVIEW // ONE TRACK MIND Ep. 6

[@ThrottleHouse]

Wow a MILLION views! Thanks everyone for watching! I want to address a few things that people keep commenting on. Many of you are right about the vtec in the Type R. It does have vtec, but it doesn't operate in the way that I worded it in the video. It is used to boost torque in lower RPMs to keep smooth torque delivery as the turbo kicks in. Also, the c-diff controller in the STI only controls the centre diff, and yes as may of you have stated, you are better to leave it in "auto" mode. (Which I and Colin did do, I was only trying different things, to create more oversteer). As for the understeer in the STI, sadly this is the reality. Yes, as many of you have said, you can aggressively flick the car in and get it into a bit of a slide, but what I was demonstrating in the video, is that its NOT EASY. The Type R and the Focus RS rotate easily in stock form. Also despite what you saw in the drag race video, we did many takes and got broadly the same result. So whatever launch you saw in any of the cars, thats just the footage I chose for one reason or another. The reality is, the Focus RS wins off the line, followed by the STI, and the type R eventually pulls on the STI. That was consistent. Thanks for watching!!

[@chuckbilodeau]

Good honest review. Credible and honest. thanks

[@tonyqin3741]

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[@Itr-tv7kt]

I used to go to cayuga. With my dc2 type r . I miss the good times.

[@Musicreach101]

3 words, “front wheel drive”......... have fun in the winter!

[@dccmadams44]

Front wheel drive does ok in the winter, much better than rear wheel drive. My front drive car has plowed through snow, that has shut down the highway, near Lake Tahoe.

[@zenoski501]

Got some advice for people. 1. Buy what you like 2. If you don’t like something and someone else does, let them enjoy whatever their hearts desires without getting bent out of shape 3. Each of these cars are great and whatever suits you, great. 4. Stop arguing like 13 year old about what’s better, writing paragraphs to each other 5. I own an STI and driven my buddies Type R. They are both great cars. I love you all ✌🏼

[@LeJunny]

These are the reasons I got a Stinger GT. I wanted to be different and try something extremely new

[@andresortez6111]

zeno ski amazing machines....all of them. Most engines blow because of driver error. People would try to go full open throttle at 2k RPM instead of dropping a gear, rev matching and then let it rip. Then they get pissed off at the car and the manufacturer

[@hoodyFPS]

Thank you sir. I’m now part of the subie gang too

[@kevinrotge4774]

@@LeJunny What do you think about the Stinger GT is it worth the money? does it handle well?

[@fearsomesolid9063]

End of the day I think subie is better just cause of multiple changes you can make from stock but also looks better for mass appeal, Honda made that type r to resurrect the crx in my opinion of course

[@joseantonio9042]

Evo X changes engine People: “its not an evo, it doesn’t have the heart” STI keeps same engine People: “the ej25 has been around for too long”

[@saratov7777]

Boxer engine

[@FrankOsman]

You see one of those engines was actually decent and needed no changes. The other makes some nice noise and explodes if you tickle it the wrong way.

[@joseantonio9042]

Frank Osman it’s called personality, I know evo engines were great but I also think ej are cool in their own way too and I do not understand all the hate on it. Not everything is about how much power can you make in stock internals, it’s about how it feels stock period because that is how the manufacturers intended to feel anyways.

[@goddmode4589]

Jose Antonio thats like the worse excuse to justify unreliability in a car lool

[@joseantonio9042]

godd mode performance engines should be held in a different standard of “reliability”. Some of the best performance cars are not reliable because is not their main goal, the main goal is performance. Do you want reliable but a toyota and a lexus and be happy about it.

[@commandantteste2859]

May we have a minute of silence to remember the days of the Evo X

[@ThrottleHouse]

**bows head**

[@themanbehindthecurtain7766]

Still love the evo

[@frankgrimms]

Amazing grace how sweet the sound

[@jakeniswonger2934]

F in the chat

[@mv3616]

What's a Evo X

[@Scottstunts]

The Type R is an absolute weapon. Thank you Honda!

[@syedhairuddin1607]

Yeah,that's honda,aggresive style while comfort inside,just like a fierce brother..

[@atlashondapakistan6646]

The Power Of Dreams

[@anthonyking9284]

Just make sure not to venture out in the wet.

[@skippylegrandgourou2069]

Get the Megane RS, still the fastest FWD and best chassis.

[@hondasarefaster5914]

@@skippylegrandgourou2069 fukn bullshit, the type r beats the shitbox megane in 0 to 60, quarter mile and top speed. Stop talking shit you delusional fanboy..

[@beijingsnacks]

The STi obviously lost because It wasn't WR Blue...

[@ravengenesis333]

Why do I agree with this???

[@sazzayilmaz5055]

agreed

[@Naisan123]

Or inexperienced Subaru driver. :)

[@montybarnhartRA171]

Ruben Zavala they are making it look bad to fluff the civic fan boys.....I have embarrassed every civic that gets brave. I’ll be making videos this summer

[@IvanA-hj5jf]

🤣🤣👍

[@galacticmaui2]

That type R is fast in a straight line for not being a drag car.

[@goatzee69420]

some drivers have hit 60 in under 5 seconds in it.

[@ripple4612]

@@goatzee69420 not with stock tires

[@vandejong9343]

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[@gyorgyikestefania5801]

Very true, but to live a rich and comfortable life, you need to develop an investment mindset. Buy, invest and buy again is the future.

[@regulaueli6216]

The income generated can stand the test of time depending on how you double it, as you can earn a million and spend it within days.

[@lozanocorona8448]

That's a good point! I think it's clear that the top three investment vehicles today are cryptocurrencies, stocks, and real estate. To achieve all these feats, you have to take risks and be patient enough.

[@lozanocorona8448]

John Joseph, a Certified Financial Professional, has lifted my financial situation to an all-time high with his trading strategies and I am now making huge profits from all three major sources of income i.e. cryptocurrency, stocks and gold. 'immovable.

[@user-qk3ov7ng6g]

John Joseph is not just another trader who could crash at any moment. It's completely reliable because I started a trading portfolio with $30,000 and made over $80,000 every week for 3 years.

[@darkglobestudio4791]

The styling of the Civic is just way too subtle

[@thegoldentheory4383]

all hondas are horribly designed

[@Wizardmang]

It must suck having a lack of taste!

[@moregainsmoreveins5267]

@@thegoldentheory4383 only Honda I like is the s2k TBH

[@lariosmendoza]

You’re smoking some good crack my friend

[@jacovanvuuren7331]

I don't know, I love it myself..

[@jimmy_smith27]

I'm a Subaru fanboy and I'm glad that STI lose. After they made the phenomenon STI years ago, Subaru became lazy and just sit on their hand far too long. It's normal that the other will catch up one day. I'm hope this will wake them up and made them step up their game on the next gen STI.

[@antoineischillin]

judecca666 Agreed!

[@caseysgarage5991]

This shit is why I bought my GTO instead of an STI subie! Pay attention to what your audience wants!

[@tappuzzo05]

jimmy_smith27 honestly a STI couldn’t not keep up with me swerving/speeding through traffic on a busy LA highway and I drive a 2.0i Impreza.....

[@SShaBazzz]

Look, you say that but the reality of it is, The Type R is just a brilliant machine. It's like the Camaro. The engineering of this car just comes together so perfectly, you get an anamoly. A car that just performs better than normal.

[@Lkom24]

@@tappuzzo05 your impreza is garbage compared to an sti, stop trying to feel better by saying it can't keep up

[@Snadzies]

I've owned RWD (Mustang GT) FWD (Focus) and AWD (WRX) and I'll likely stick with AWD from here on out. Dry, rain or snow my WRX is fun 365 days a year. I don't have the luxury of being able to have 2-3 cars so having a single car that is both fun and practical all year round is very important to me.

[@ThrottleHouse]

+Snadzies yep agreed!

[@FugglesRift]

Exactly why subaru is so popular in areas with bad weather, my sti is a beast in the snow and fun all year

[@AP-lh1bq]

Yeah, but where's my damn hatch. Come on Subaru.

[@yvsevyse4562]

Anthony P give this man a medal please!

[@shorpy3407]

Until the rust kicks in

[@sb22309]

It's so cool to see that Thomas is now setting the lap times for the channel. He has become such a good driver.

[@ten_smudge8514]

All of these cars does some things better than the other, but the Type R for me is overall the best

[@arieldoech]

I dare you to rally on a Type R

[@theamazingmann]

@@arieldoech why would you rally a type R

[@evanmansfield5297]

@@arieldoech bruh your the toxic part of the car community. they literally explain which car does the best in certain styles of racing. STI kills rally but lacks reliability and flat ground tracking compared to the type r. and it takes less money to make the type r a better car especially since the engine wont be blowing that easily. just shows the sti is outdated. still a great car none the less. They all are competition but at the end of the day it is personal preference.

[@chemma9240]

@@arieldoech There it goes the toxic comment of the day

[@patricks5575]

In terms of reliability I would take the Type R, sometimes less is more and this is a great example of how a track car with only FWD is very capable without over engineering and all the extra hardware.

[@marcobonilla7698]

He won cause VTEC kicked in

[@ThrottleHouse]

+marco bonilla YO

[@marcobonilla7698]

OCD Stig I can't believe you took that serious.

[@ThatCarGuy]

Well it is the quickest car around the track out of the bunch. It killed the ring.

[@ToastyClam]

OCD Stig Every type r is a hero wtf you talking about

[@fdation]

That Car Guy lol it wasn't the stock car at the ring stop it please

[@academiaengineering5136]

Civic Type R Nurburgring time 7 minutes 43 seconds Wrx STI Nurburgring time: 7 minutes 55 seconds Focus RS Nurburgring time : 8 minutes 6 seconds Golf R Nurburgring time: 8 minutes 23 seconds Veloster N Nurburgring time: 10 seconds 1 second OVERALL THE CIVIC TYPE R IS THE KING OF THE NURBURGRING

[@Channel21Jaymz]

You're quoting a pretty inaccurate time for the Vel N. It was a lead/follow lap and there were many times you could tell he wasn't going all out, simply because he couldn't.

[@GSTRification]

You’re right! The Type R with racing slicks would do that

[@Fadic4]

Does it matter? It’s not like the Vel N has a chance against the Civic performance wise.

[@academiaengineering5136]

GSTRification that’s true

[@academiaengineering5136]

Fadic4 But people are saying that the veloster n is a type r killer and they both are fwd

[@mikegreen5393]

Where did you guys find Ford RS that didn't have a blown motor at the 15000 miles

[@mcar2529]

Mike green my friend RS blown his motor last month for racing

[@tommielif]

😂

[@Rafale11]

@@tommielif found on road dead

[@brandar75]

22 track days (3-4 sessions each event), and mine is solid as a rock. Yes, Ford f*cked up and put the wrong gasket in, but it was replaced under warranty. Meanwhile, STi/WRX guys still getting bent over by Subie because they refuse to address the ringland issue, and Type R is having tranny issues. Long story short, none of these cars are perfect...they're toys. If you want reliable transportation, buy a Camry. -But if you want entertainment, buy any of the 3 in this video.

[@binyamj]

They did fix the ringland issue. That happened for 2018 model year, keep up.

[@darkwolfx333]

I want to see a track episode where you have the Type R vs the Focus RS. I really dont care about drag time or 0-60 but an actual track race from a line and from a rolling start.

[@Fadic4]

There are videos of a rolling start races between the R and RS

[@goatzee69420]

I mean they kinda did. They even used the same driver 4 times so no one can use "different driver, different skillset" as an excuse

[@sdi1111]

They showed fastest times on track of the 3 cars, with same driver and RS was way quicker.

[@ashes2ashes863]

The RS is the superior car. This is just another one of those foreign car guys talk shit type things and then get bitch slapped buy an outdated American car. Happens regularly. That's why the Mustang sells so well now in a lot of Europe. They are starting to get it.

[@hondaman8648]

@@ashes2ashes863 cute, because my type r smokes the 5.0 mustang

[@evoxerxes2938]

This is like a more... "Amateur" Top Gear.. I LOVE it. Well spoken, beautifully filmed, and amazing quality. Awesome job!!!

[@ThrottleHouse]

+Xerxes Billimoria thanks for watching!

[@Frandaman84]

Its a super generic carbon copy ripoff of motortrends head to head segment. Terrible

[@wilshirewarrior2783]

Crossing up hands while driving is a no no..bad habit

[@SIRICKO]

Why there slow

[@gripfk8]

Let’s just appreciate that all the cars that are being showcased are legendary of this generation

[@ravenheart369]

That's what i call driver He doesn't struggle with steering He rotates the steering very soft and smooth Unlike some other famous drivers like tiff needell,who always wrestles with steering wheel,this guy is mind-connected with steering Absolutely nice,this man is the best driver

[@ryanhood2983]

First time I've watched one of your videos - quite impressed! Great camera work, informative, entertaining without being silly . . . excellent work guys! I shall subscribe and look out for more.

[@elizabethden-bakker597]

Ryan Pegram l

[@ericknapp3114]

The differential switch in the sti doesn’t “send power to the rear”, or the front. It controls the degree of slip in the center differential. So maybe one could say that with it switched all the up to “lock”, then you have 50:50 front/rear. But you can’t control how much torque goes to the front or rear.

[@diegoeleazar9154]

I love the Type R!

[@elpanadani5513]

eww

[@Chirock-dr5gx]

@@elpanadani5513 ewwww back to u as well.how do u not like the civic

[@jackvanepps7301]

@@Chirock-dr5gx Richard Hammond said it best. They just never stopped designing it.

[@Chirock-dr5gx]

@@jackvanepps7301 but the looks r subjective

[@Highlander1518]

I love the Type R. I have the FK8. It baffles me how people still get hung up on it’s looks and completely disregard the awesome engineering behind the car.

[@PeterGarcia1995]

Totally agree with the ending. STi is slow af from factory, but with a new turboback exhaust and tune, youve just unleashed the monster. Its so much better

[@jvangeel12]

Til the head gasket blows. Like ford quality!

[@morpenex4095]

jvangeel12 That was an early 2000’s issue, you haters aren’t educated 🥱

[@mrdauntl3ss]

Morpenex no it’s not moron. They still blow

[@joshjlmgproductions3313]

@@jvangeel12 Head gaskets blow when people don't build their engines properly. The EJ257 already has a higher specific output than the V10 in the Gallardo and R8. With almost any engine making over 120 horsepower per liter, serious stuff needs to be done to it.

[@memphis407]

dealers will kill the type r like they did the RS. Dealers marked up the hell out of the rs and people stayed away and ford thinks no one wants the car because they are sitting on lots. SO ford decides to end the RS line but its not because people didn't want them its because people didn't want them for 10grand over msrp

[@bmwmdude]

memphis407 they are actually at the end of the production of the current global focus, wait and see, there will be a new one when the next production focus comes out. Every one I saw was under msrp so don't know where you're looking but. I can agree I saw a lot sitting bc price wise you can buy a mustang gt cheaper...

[@jacksonk75k95]

memphis407 I think dealers are starting to realize that no one is gonna pay that much for a civic. The ones on Autotrader are now going for 37-38k and I saw one for 40k. Still above msrp but that's expected

[@GregGuerraMusic]

memphis407 except for the idiots who are Honda fanboys are willing to pay those high prices for the R type.

[@coolbeans6148]

Greg Guerra I'm a honda fanboy and would never pay that for a glorified civic. I would pay like 35g tops...

[@benjamind3058]

Not true.

[@jerryfreeman8687]

your inside vehicle camera made me think i was having acid flashbacks and was tripping

[@ryanainlay224]

The STI was out of it's element.

[@jakemetz3682]

facts

[@emartinezr]

He discussed it at one point. And it's also the reason he would modify (suspension) the STI: make it worse on loose surfaces, better around a track. End of the day, the STI is a lot safer on rain, snow and sketchy surfaces; while still being race car-ish fast. Not bad.

[@GyroPyro121212]

EA M The engine needs an update as well. The EJ257 has been in use since the 2004 model year with very little change. It has proven unreliable for the duration of its run and still Subaru continues to slap it in their top of the line car and call it good. It is time for the EJ257 to either be majorly upgraded to accommodate a reliable 350+ hp in stock form or be replaced with an engine that is up to the task.

[@emartinezr]

@@GyroPyro121212 Agree. But the reliability seems more like Subaru simply being cheap; which I fear they'd likely still be even with a more "modern engine" in the STI...

[@GyroPyro121212]

EA M The inherent design and harmonics of the EJ257 and the boxer in general lead to poor oiling on the top side of the piston and imperfect harmonics. The EJ207 is better because the equal length manifolds help even out exhaust pulses which helps reduce stress at the cost of boxer rumble.

[@MuffinRacing]

I like that the Type R license plate has "CRX" in it

[@JayRM714]

Type R is a masterpiece

[@MarkFritscher]

On dry surfaces, it rains daily in Louisiana and they are about as fast as a Prius when it does.

[@mgawna1684]

Mark Fritscher lol i dont race any car on snow or rain, i drive my type r slow in rain bc i dont want another idiot to hit me. Ive launched in rain against a bmw 335i and all i had was some wheel hop, no loss of traction

[@goatzee69420]

@@MarkFritscher lmao the hyperbole is dripping off this comment. rain introduces a bit of wheel hop and that's all. lmao suggesting a bit of moisture more than doubles it's 0-60 time

[@goatzee69420]

@jazz platinum FWD that's as fast or faster than AWD lol

[@bigbenachi1962]

@@goatzee69420 precisely, and it’s lighter which helps

[@asvinthsivabalan5985]

This show is awesome guys I love that you guys actually consider the tuning and modifying aspect keep up the great work :)

[@mtgpackrat7945]

The "You suck" jab after they hear your lap time is really funny and reminds me so much of the movie Clerks.

[@fragu123]

So - I just purchased STi Final Edition in WR blue. Before that, I was test driving all three of them three times each as I had hard times to decide… to cut a long story short, to me it comes down to what you want to use the car for. In my garage the STi will be a 3rd car, being used seldom on track days and more often on mountain roads, on sunny and wet days. Therefore the super sticky, real 4 - wheel drive, the frenetic brakes, the very special boxer engine layout and sound, combined with true heritage and pedigree made it for me. Shame on me, but I also think it looks best 🙃.

[@sea_bass]

jogu123 Must be nice

[@Jay_Tsunami_]

@@sea_bass right?? I'd kill to have that as my only car lol

[@PreparationdobleH]

I agree with you being the best looking among the 3 cars, but a class action law suit for engine failure, kept me from buying a 2019 STI thats something the Subaru knew and kept building around the engine EJ 25

[@Zaberdutton]

@Preparation H First time I'm hearing this. I keep finding stuff about engine problems for RS so that took that car out of the running for me. I google this STI problem that you mentioned and its true marking this as the first proven engine issue I've found for the STI. So far I've found no serious complaints about the Type R. If I continue finding problems with the STI then my decision will be made for me and I will be marching towards my nearest Honda dealer to have them order me a Type R built from the factory(You know.,.. to bypass those insane dealer markups! lol)

[@FK_H8r]

The hell is a Final Edition?

[@delaneyschafer2110]

People always take the wrx or sti to the track and compare it to other cars that are more designed for the track. Although they do good it's not where they shine. It's in the real world where the subarus will destroy these other cars. In the rain, snow, dirt, and gravel. None the less, great work on the vids.

[@lllowelll]

finally some sense. these guys saying hey CTR is fastest in NBR. yeah totally i bought a subie to go to nBR and bought a CTR to go thru snow, freaking fan boys.

[@hmongtse]

Well subies better be scared because honda is sprinting for the rally campaigns. Honda is starting to do rally campaigns. Subies better start picking up the tool boxes and start up the computers and get revving.

[@hmongtse]

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[@INTERNATIONALvids]

Reason why Honda sold more Civics than all Subarus put together is because Civics do great in the real world too.

[@MelloHubb]

The only thing that the subie does better in is the dirt and gravel and less than 1 percent of owners will take either off road. Fwd with a set of blizzaks is better than awd on all seasons. Its not that far off from awd on snow tires especially since the civic will be manual. I have a mdx shawd on snow tires and I daily a tl type s on snow tires during these upstate NY winters and they both perform great in the snow.

[@madfrosty5228]

Faster lap times are nice if that’s what you are after . BUT for me personally the grip and confidence that I get from 4 wheel driven cars especially in bad conditions , nothing worse than being stuck in few inches of snow, balance , handling and safety that AWD gives me is something that I love . Respect for Honda for getting the maximum out of front wheel drive and I understand why people love them so much but it’s not for me and then there are the looks … I am ok with the front half but the rear end it’s just ridiculous , embarrassingly overdone . I know everyone has their own taste and idea what is pretty but for me that is big NO .

[@BinSwipe2]

the focus rs is one of the greatest production cars and one of the most overlooked cars to exist

[@ejicon3099]

Considering the ancient technology inside the STi, I'm actually VERY impressed that it's still able to keep up with the latest and greatest technology inside the RS, Type R and VW R. Very cool. The thing is, Subaru doesn't do straight line driving so they don't really mind (or care) that these other 3 cars are killing the STi on dry pavement/asphalt tracks. Carry on. Great reviews!

[@showtaito1075]

His videos remind me of the good old top gear

[@koitorob]

Like a twat you mean? If a car is going sideways it's slow!

[@MrKhany786]

Nick Ito Lpp

[@scinovlog9680]

Too bad, Jeremy had to smack that guy in the face.

[@45Rand0m]

Luke Skywalker it's also not as scripted thankfully

[@hiramrosajr8231]

No

[@christiantaboada]

An STI is a car for loose terrain! You're testing it out of its natural environment and it still performs very well.

[@Julian-oy7hx]

No sti has always dominated on the track. See best motoring where it constantly beat the evo, gtr, and sometimes nsx. It’s competition has caught up that’s y it doesn’t perform

[@andyzedd3236]

20 year old Wrxs and Civics still all over the Road, 2016 RS’s are basically extinct.

[@snowman22ism]

I wish everyone who down votes a video had to explain why... Disagreeing with someone on their point of view isn't a good reason to down vote a video. You may not agree but that doesn't invalidate the work put into it.

[@avon.2866]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@hirof4357]

Another thing to point out that is that this video was recorded at the Cayuga TMP, racetrack in Ontario, Canada. It has two LOOOONG straights that clearly gives the Focus RS an advantage - hence the laptime. If this was taken at a more balanced race track like Shannonville, the results would be different. But then again if you look at the Nurburgring laptime set by the new Type R (7:43.8) vs. the new Focus RS (8:06), the difference is also huge.

[@boostlee876]

Watched it a year ago when I was driving my S2k. Came back to watch it now that I have a 2020 Type R. I love it and would pick it again over all the others.

[@marcusvalentino6000]

If you don’t buy a jdm car to mod it why are you even buying a jdm

[@mr.fourohh5680]

Dope channel they even have their own stig I'm definitely subscribing!!

[@VictorPitstop]

It's silly that the dated STi is still a benchmark today. Great car but it really needs an update besides some stiffening here and there. I know, before anyone brings it up, the GTR is almost ten years and still a benchmark, but consider how old the STi is at this point. Good review!

[@SIRICKO]

The Italian Tune-Up Pro anyone think the sti still the benchmark is stupid

[@VictorPitstop]

Sadly, there are a lot of folks who still use it as a staple.

[@SpacemonkeySTI]

Engine is really the only thing outdated about the car & To be honest it's kind of what attracted me to make my purchase before things become a little less analog. But the improvement in this chassis is incredible compared to previous chassis. When I chat with other subaru owners at the track, they are completely surprised with the times I'm able to put down on a near stock car while they would have spend thousands on suspension and power mods to get their car to handle the same way. It needs more power to satisfy today's consumer market because 300hp isn't enough anymore and people just want something new. What the majority of people don't appreciate is the chassis and the fine tuning that a spec sheet doesn't easily tell you. If I were making my purchase today between the CTR & STI it would be tough.... I love the CTR and I've thought about selling my STI for one, but I have a special bond with mine.

[@SufferingAddict88]

@Retrojon 5 The real shame with the Sti isn't so much the price, it is that is slowly but surely just stopped being an Sti. An Sti used to be the rally car for the street, which is why it didn't use to have such stiff springs and 19inch wheels and all that. It's not an Sti anymore, it's just a lame sports sedan. I really hope that Subaru will return to the WRC and that the Sti will once again be inspired more by that, rather than by driving on the Nürburgring.

[@bwzffgh7]

Easily outperformed? If "easily outperformed" to you means offering a more expensive car with more horsepower and a lot less weight to result in just a tiny bit better track performance numbers in the hands of professional drivers...then yes, I guess you could say that. [eyeroll]

[@kunfupandarofl]

"If I'm not allowed the mod my car, the Type R. But if I am, the STI" This probably is the best summation of it lol. A lot of people forget that although the horsepower at the crank for the STI is only 1 lower than the Type R, the Type R is FWD and the STI AWD, this means that the actual power that the STI puts down to the wheels is marginally less than the Type R. To put that into perspective, on the same calibrated Mustang Dyno, a Type R can put out 280 WHP while the STI only 230. If the Throttle House test track had any more straights, the times for the STI will get gapped even further. Pure performance-wise, the Type R is without a doubt the better choice at stock. Also, the wheel/crank horsepower is also something to discuss when people keep saying "the EJ motor has been around and has had that 305 horsepower since early 2000s." If you dyno the stock version of all the cars, you can actually see differences in the actual horsepower they put down. For example, a 2019 STI will have about 10-20 wheelhorsepower more than a 2015 STI despite both being 305 crank horsepower. If you're ever thinking of getting one of these, it's definitely something worth considering.

[@toxicpositivity9341]

As a Subaru owner, the STI / WRX was never going to shine on the track over the Type R. As he states at the end of the video, it is the best all around car out of the 2, and would destroy the Civic on a dirt or some other form of a loose track, and is ideal for people looking to mod the engine, which is why it's such a popular car for enthusiasts. So we can stop shit talking the STI, because it makes you look ignorant.

[@waclosh]

You vids are so good right now.

[@hondah3ad385]

The type R was built to dominate at the track. And that it does sti is based off of rally racing still a phenomenal car that also kills on the track. The Ford on the other hand not a bad car just not my cup of tea. Looking past it being a honda but Id go with this new CTR only because of how it has been improved to really be a track beast.

[@knownunknown4383]

TireMark Its crazy cause as track focused as the honda is it's the best daily driver in comfort mode.

[@claudedottin1312]

What do you mean looking past it being a Honda just curious

[@hondah3ad385]

Zombie Ghost I agree, super reliable cars. Modified a few back in my day too, easy to build not as expensive to do so either compared to everything else on the market

[@hondah3ad385]

Claude Dottin a lot of people look down on a performance built Honda. Because it is Honda. To each their own anything can be built to beat anything. Its also right to give credit when its due I love a properly built Honda built a few. But yeah man like i said people look down on the Make and model

[@claudedottin1312]

TireMark yeah mainly it's that way I see in America but a lot of people I know don't understand why it is that way here other than we get watered down things here I.e they made a awd civic and integral but at the same time just cus it was awd didn't make it just lit it's more to it also they are really good roadcourse cars and dailys I own both a evo x and a civic that's built and everyone at work can tell which car I drove by the expression on my face

[@CB-tx3ul]

I find the understeer and ride quality complaints to be hilarious considering the other two cars at the same event. The STi does nothing but understeer, and the Type R in its hardest suspension setting still rides significantly softer than the RS in its softest setting. The RS is faster in a straight line and can be faster around a course but is overall a much less optimized driver's car. Not even going to get into the shortfalls of the Subaru.

[@hoodjohn23]

I remember the time when comparing the predecesors of these three cars was just a joke you could tell at a car meet or something

[@amitnag870]

Video is produced at high quality. Great work.

[@jamescharles7637]

This may be the only time Im happy to see a Honda win.

[@LyricalBlock32]

James Charles cos u always see it defeating mustangs and now its Subaru? lol

[@jamescharles7637]

gbo123 Huh?

[@MrJjburgess11]

Only thing bad about the type R is the styling. Those bright red seats need to be changed to black. And the exterior needs to be toned down. But I respect the drivetrain and the fact it handles great especially for being fwd .

[@westleyparker7810]

Man you guys have come a long way

[@RomanRozumnyy]

At the end of the day I would rather drive away in a Subbie

[@lancermafia1982]

Roman Rozumnyy and the end of the day you will get rod knock and ringland failure on the way home

[@AntonioJrFabon-td6kj]

Lancer Mafia so don’t daily drive this car and keep this car stock.easy the solution is solve.

[@AntonioJrFabon-td6kj]

Ronnie what?

[@AntonioJrFabon-td6kj]

Carmello Long who?

[@mrpsd590]

Diamond Eyes you're just sad hating soul, aren't you..

[@danvazquez5]

id still buy an STI no doubt. I have one lol but its my 2nd. they hold their value extremely well. This Type R probably will as well but STI is proven.

[@steveh6266]

dan vazquez type r has a long proven history. It's just never been brought stateside until now

[@maverick974]

Proven to brake lol. This is coming from a person that had a 05 sti. The motor is old and very problematic.

[@Hoopr32]

You probably don't take care of your car then. Severe motor issues are rare, the loudest people complaining about them are the minority. A large majority are very reliable which fuels their resale value. Not to mention the several best engine awards since it's inception.

[@maverick974]

Everyone's venture into a sti is different. I bought mine with 50k with what seemed to be a stock motor(not sure if it was modified then brought back) from a 65 year old. I babied the car for 20k and the turbo blew. Replaced. 5 k after that I sold it. When he was on the way home that turbo blew. He fixed it. 1k later it threw a rod.. there is a lot of stories from people not beating on there car and it just destroys itself. I admit there are some cars out there people have a few problems and call the car cursed. The sti brand is not one of them.. there thousands of people out there that has complained about the same issue. This car has proven to have real issues that never gotten taken care of in the us.

[@Kazymedic]

@@maverick974 "break" Also, sounds like it was a victim of engine lugging if the rod was blown and the turbo broke. Gotta keep the in the mid to higher rev range, especially on the highway.

[@mhm925]

Old platform STI is only being beat by 2 seconds to Honda’s top performance car and 1 second by VW. I know two seconds is a lot in racing but man that still says a lot. The Honda is without a doubt great engineering especially for what they have accomplished with FWD. you can’t deny how well this old EJ motor keeps up. With the re design of the STI with hopefully the Ascent 2.4L turbo on top of the new global platform will catch them up on those two seconds.

[@syrthdr09sybr34]

"the seats are actually wide enough for a normal human being" I guess chunky is the new standard now.

[@brocky]

wow this is solid content. AutoGuide tried to do a comparison video of the same cars and it's absolute trash.

[@godtalks8818]

this is one of the best, most well put together comparison videos in a long time. kudos.

[@Bequester]

You have to agree, that ford focus rs is an amazing bang for buck

[@ghostmost2614]

Unfortunately, Ford will no longer be building Focus. But you can still contact your local dealer about availability and check out our other vehicles that might be perfect for you and your family. Oops

[@chapa435ify]

These guys will probably never see this comment but can we appreciate the camera work. Especially the stills of the vehicles, it's super crisp and in focus the cars almost look photoshopped in or like Hdr turned up to 11

[@chapa435ify]

On a separate note clean the lenses more often haha

[@s0fa274]

The Type R is so cool, totally fits what I'm looking for. Hopefully I'll be able to get one!

[@jdm3826]

HONDA💪💪🇯🇵🇯🇵

[@sheiknoordeen1531]

MY FAVORITE CAR IS CIVIC TYPE R

[@sheiknoordeen1531]

I LOVE CIVIC TYPE R

[@DriverGuy23]

This guy was spot on. The STi is a great car, I owned one for 4 years. But, you need to make a few suspension modifications to it in order to make it rotate better. The Focus RS is fast out of the box, but he forgot to mention the seating position is pretty bad. The Type R is a wonderful car, & it's interesting to see how far FWD has come.

[@xxuncexx]

6:53 *Gets pulled over immediately after exiting track* sniffer dogs

[@Shankovich]

First time watching your channel, gotta say it's very professional. Love the camera work and editing quality!

[@mhordijk0871]

On the R-Type; It's a good car. Ofcource it is. It's a Honda.

[@iPlayDrums4You]

Thomas and James remind me of the original 3 from Top Gear in a great way. They don't try an imitate them at all, but the way they deliver the information and show the cars off in comparisons feels very similar to watching the top gear track tests back in the Top Gear days!

[@markojokanovic349]

Intro was good, track testing was fun (as Always).. But conclusion was epic Keep the great work fellas!

[@christopheralvarez6329]

AWD civic Type R is in the works according to Road and Track..... things are about to get very serious.

[@H3ntairican]

Christopher Alvarez I really hope it happens because competition is better for us consumers it brings out the best in car manufacturers 💪

[@stilesgaming7294]

I Love How The STi Sounds...

[@chuchum3]

Had a BASE 718 Cayman PDK as a loaner with ONLY 300HP and raced a RS from both standing still and highway pulls from about 50mph and the base Cayman killed it EVERY TIME ! didn't seem possible from specs but yup absolutely killed it

[@mnkeyd]

your review and comments along with seemingly non bias statements got a sub.

[@gregbeck4976]

It’s settled I’m getting the type r

[@modiddly2836]

That’s a fair answer at the end. You put that together well. 👍🏾

[@NOLIFENECKBEARD]

This video basically told me to look into finding a decent focus rs since it has the best of both worlds with 45 more hp

[@JahGuarrr]

I used to work at a Ford Dealership, the RS is a dope car but the few in the area were always in and out of the shop, STIs are known for head gaskets blowing, the Type R needs more time to be proven but on top of it performing it doesn’t break down quite as often and is more efficiently built.

[@ZakTheRipper18]

No they're not. Non turbo EJ motors were known for hg issues; turbo EJs are known for failed ringlands due to detonation.

[@philippecardin1109]

Better buy a second engine when you buy a Focus RS, the one coming originaly in the car will last 10 000 miles, LOL !

[@shqiperirsjacobo2879]

philip cardin yeah mine last 29 now crack block pissed

[@huvang8329]

@@shqiperirsjacobo2879 seriously? I was considering one of those cars

[@braydenbrooks1009]

My friend has an RS past 400hp and well over 10k stop hating

[@mannyrivera6723]

Open deck block... just setting yourself up for problems even at stock turbo power levels

[@johnriggins9325]

13k on mine... ahhh jeez, I'm soooooooo worried... not!

[@TheJohn4231]

Nice honest comparison ,I had a STI and loved it but a shoulder Injury put me out of the stick shift market because of my long commutes. I can say that the Honda does have impresive numbers but looks like a teenages wet dream not that the STI is pretty but people use to have to put that much ugly on a vehicle ,it never came stock.

[@nonono3141]

If a dealer ever tries to mark-up a car on me, I’m filing a claim with the federal trade commission

[@albertomotors6901]

This Channel is like Top Gear.

[@lateralbeats]

Best review on KZbin hands down!

[@asadgun]

Thanks for the details, Nice compare. After a test drive I fell in love with the Type-R. Its amazing. I new though Honda would have such a good come back. Good job Honda.

[@Primo-idgaf]

Nobody is talking about the focus 😂 im definitely going for one

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Honda Civic Type R vs Toyota GR Corolla vs Hyundai Elantra N vs Subaru WRX STi vs Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution vs Ford Focus RS vs Mazda 3 Turbo AWD vs Volkswagon Golf R Under $45K super cars please make this video real Throttle House!

[@AlphonseJames-FxWorth]

You should have called David Higgins for the Sub

[@finnice]

Great content man keep up the good work 👌🏻

[@ICEV]

The Focus rear diff will heat up, the Subaru’s engine will explode, and Honda engineers specifically warned owners NOT to take the Type R to the race track for more than ONE lap.

[@futureshock7425]

lol

[@Weltbummler23]

Damn everytime i hit the throttle, take a turn, or hear the pops/bangs in the RS i smile. Way more smiles per gallon than the STI. The RS is amazing. Only way to significantly improve on this is to get a GTR.

[@dkphantomdk]

I dont mind that the Honda is faster than the STI.. once they reach dirt / snow / rain.. the STI will win the day after all, with its awd !

[@antoineischillin]

dkphantomdk #facts

[@sadboiiuloff5508]

dkphantomdk with scrictly professional conditions, but not everyone who drives daily is a professional race car driver or an absolute professional at anything to do with driving, but yes.... for the most part you are correct 😅😅😅

[@dkphantomdk]

true.. but you dont have to be a pro, to drive and have the advantage of awd in snow.. I have a simple Impreza 1.5R, and each winter with snow, my car just drives so much better than normal front or rearwheel driven cars.. awd is miles ahead on snow, the balance and grib is great.. not only at acceleration but also cornering.. and enginebraking !

[@pigupigu]

dkphantomdk I have a 4wd civic. What do

[@dkphantomdk]

Well, yes.. but I presume that we are talking about the new civic vs new sti.. but I do agree that awd is nice on any car.. Am I right if I think your civic is from the late 80´s or early 90´s ?

[@Cursethedawn]

Great job guys. I live in Toronto. If you see a black on black '14 GT500 or a Stealth Gray Focus RS give a wave.

[@nickgivens6378]

CurseTheDawn quit your lying

[@mrburgermaster]

I mean, he does look middle-aged, so there's a good chance he isn't lying.

[@itsyaboycris2987]

It would be cool to see 3 guys who drive each of these cars daily and have great time attack experience do laps in all the different elements of weather (HOT&DRY ROAD , HOT&RAINING , FREEZING&DRY ROAD, FREEZING&WET OR SNOW) too REALLY see all of the different mannerisms the cars have and see what their true strengths and weaknesses are. Just because a car has AWD/FWD/RWD doesn't mean its perfect in any weather/road. The electronic systems and flat out engineering of the whole car has a lot to do with the driving experience on a daily basis. Having the test with all cars using the same tires according to the road conditions would be necessary. Obviously there would be different episodes to this but it would be a true test for people to see and decide what car is "BEST" for their needs.... a "FUN CAR" to some maybe car thats fast in a straightline and drifts around corners .. Others may say a "FUN CAR" is one that is light weight and takes corners like its on rails!!!... to others taking the long way home after work hooning in a winter snow storm while everyone else is safe indoors staying warm... Some just want a expensive or fast car to say that they have one without ever driving it the way it was built to do so... overall good video :)

[@GothicDragonX]

The Type R is more in its element on the track, while WRX STI excels in harsh snowy, muddy roads or wet conditions. It loves to be dirty and in control. Can't compare both sides by side and expect to have a good comparison. Both are good vehicles but each has its own strength. I personally love the style of the Type R so much better, but also love the WRX STI being reliable on any weather or terrain.

[@ericfavors7964]

The new Evo without the all wheel drive.. As a G37 owner I still prefer the Evo

[@pskizzy04]

I like how you left the EVO out of this 😂😂😂😂 4b11t /4g63 just too savage

[@rabbon-ithegenesis7169]

It's because the evo is old but I've seen the evo against these 4 and it still was the best even being the oldest car. The newer cars have the advantage with the technology though.

[@pskizzy04]

@rabbon you ain't lying bro

[@wrxhentaispeed6457]

Paul Stockhausen dsm sucks

[@pskizzy04]

@@wrxhentaispeed6457 says the subie owner 😂😂😂😂

[@xXxBUNDIExXx]

Evo isn't in production anymore so I thought.

[@LL-fv1uz]

Sti is not as easy as the other two to drive good. But it can handle all different kinds of roads. Watch 24h Nurburgring race how Sti wins all the time. With a 20some years old engine, it’s shame that others are just starting to catch up just now.

[@Bamiyanbigasf]

I’m a jdm guy but the RS has always been one of my fav American cars can def hang with the big boys