Chapter 8: The Deathday Party | Chamber of Secrets

Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 8 of the Chamber of Secrets and Halloween recurrences, more evidence that Filch is a poltergeist, the canon timeline, Myrtle wearing glasses, the concept of Death Days, immortality, food at the party, and the basilisk.
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[@nightfox6738]

I never even recognized Percy as a red herring. This is the first time I've heard that, I never even remotely suspected him or even had the thought cross my mind.

[@pixywings]

Same

[@matrimcauthon8609]

When I read it I was 8 and very much caught all of that. Looking back with the hindsight of the entire series I agree Percy is the last person i would suspect.

[@nightfox6738]

@user-pn5mn6mv3c That's fair. I'm just referring to the Carlin brothers' remarks that he is a red herring saying I never saw him as such.

[@RoseWillow13]

Same, like tbh Percy bullying Ginny into taking potion doesn't sound like he's being a jerk brother, it sounds like he's being a very good brother to a very pouty 11 year old who doesn't wanna take medicine when she's sick.

[@koalarm]

When you look through a ghost, the ghost would obscure your vision, but when you look through glasses they improve your vision. If a glasses wearer, who is not wearing glasses, were to spot the basilisk the snake would be out of focus and potentially not as effective.

[@KyeGuard]

Agreed, Ghosts, Camera's, Puddles and Mirrors. All these things distort your vision in some way so that you can't clearly see the Basiliks eyes. Sunglasses might do the same, but prescription lenses? The things specifically designed to help you see? GG.

[@liamdownes1475]

Car windows are treated so as not to allow UV through. One assumes that a layer of glass is enough to filter the curse. They say the eyes are the window to the soul so perhaps it’s a case of the Basilisk’s soul directly attacking its victim’s soul 🤔 and it needs an uninterrupted path for that

[@raerae823]

Yes I was thinking this exact thing!!!

[@borjanavarrofernandez9747]

Myrtle was crying so she probably took them off. And probably the issue of ghosts being able to almost taste rotten food explains how they were able to give the potion to Nick. Maybe letting the potion rot or maybe with the fumes or something.

[@heylolp9]

I'd think vapors should interact with Ghosts because McGonagall makes that one Hufflepuff move Nick with a hand fan As well as Myrtle leaving splashes when going through the surface of water So there is some Fluid Interaction at least, since Air is also just a Fluid

[@rebeccamills16]

But the argument doesn’t work because she has her glasses on as a ghost. Why would the glasses manifest on her as a ghost if she wasn’t wearing them when she died?

[@heylolp9]

​@@rebeccamills16I'd think if she died with her glasses at her person while dying she'd then in recreation of her habits while alive just then just put her glasses back on even if she didn't wear them WHILE dying

[@kalebzerger301]

Yeah the boys are right WAYMore confusing that Dumbledore who is supposed to be the smartest wizard of the age never thought to talk to Myrtle but three second years did???? Is Dumbledore really that smart or is he just powerful? Maybe this is what Hermione means when she says most wizards don't have a lick of logic.

[@takumi2023]

i thought about that as well. maybe they didn't know glasses could work to defend themselves

[@Roefallow]

Ghost can manipulate objects, in the very next chapter Binns "opens his notes" and "shuffles his notes." And he must mark homework somehow. Also Myrtle is splashes water out of her toilet, "Myrtle gave a tragic sob, rose up in the air, turned over and dived head first into the toilet, splashing water all over them..."

[@robertvasquez4564]

In regards to whether the Pepper-up potion would work on Filch if he's a squib, we know that potions work on non-magical people because in HBP we learn that Voldemort's muggle father was under the effect of a love potion when Voldemort was conceived

[@darthpotato3566]

I always assumed they always returned from Quidditch muddy because they'd fall off their brooms occasionally, like practicing with the bludgers and doing sprint style drills into hard turns

[@malcolm32]

I really like that Percy "bullies" Ginny into taking Pepperup Potion because it implies that she's insisting that she's not sick despite being so pale, so it's a pretty subtle hint that something might be off with her at the same time. Like they're literally saying "here's a perfectly good reason Ginny could be looking under the weather.....that's totally not why, but you'll forget I told you that!"

[@InfernalPurge]

I always interpreted the Kwikspell course as the wizard equivalent of the self-help courses that fill the bookshelves these days.

[@adamsvette]

These episodes get released on Sunday morning, and there isn't any better ritual for me than listening to you to talk about Harry Potter while I enjoy my morning pancakes and eggs and coffee on a lackadaisical Sunday. " It's the little things in life..." You. You are one of my little things. ❤️

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

For me they get released late in the afternoon, so I save it for monday mornings.

[@thutsman.]

“We’re way off the the rails and I’m so sorry for that”. I’m not! Keep it up y’all. Loving every episode more.

[@joshuagideon7215]

53:57 that would be Professor Kettleburn 😊

[@manodipanmahakuda5630]

i was looking if someone answered this else i would have

[@jsergiejcottrell1988]

Oh snap didn't see your comment before I commented the same thing!

[@christianeedel5160]

A lot of things were named “2000” in the 90’s, it was a thing. And everyone expected a lot of important things to stop working, as the dates (in computers) were only shown with 2 figures for the year, so it was on people’s minds for quite a long time beforehand. Btw, everything still worked on the 1st January 2000.

[@JosephDavies]

It's funny how confused they are by this branding. It was so common in the late 1980s and all through the 1990s. Totally believable a broom would be named like this to seem "Futuristic!". As far as Y2k, it took a lot of work to retrofit and update things to make sure there wasn't catastrophe with dates in digital systems. This is one of those "the concern actually paid off in a way that made it seem like it was overblown, but only because it was successful", kinda like the Ozone layer panic.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

The Ghost of Christmas Past didn't wear chains, Jacob Marley did. "I WEAR the CHAIN I FORGED in LIFE!"

[@olandir]

My head canon with Myrtle is that her ghost didn't come back immediately. Either there was some natural delay, or the fact that she was single-mindedly haunting that girl she didn't like, thus not in the castle. Then by the time she came back, no one really remembered to ask her about it. But honestly, I don't think it's true that "no one" asked her. I bet she was just exaggerating as she tends to do. But her story, without the context of knowing about the snake and the passageway wouldn't really help anyone figure out the truth.

[@thesoftersideofsears]

Canon says she haunted the girl who taunted her until she left hogwarts, then followed her once she left and that girl complained to the ministry so Myrtle was restricted to Hogwarts. Definitely seems like a plothole cover-up, but so be it

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

I would imagine Myrtle would get offended if you asked her about her death to gain information about the slytherin monster. She likes Harry, so she tells him, but I can imagine as "lets throw books at Myrtle because she can't feel it" type of reaction to anyone else asking.

[@bigchilling420]

I've always thought she came back as a ghost and wouldn't stop crying for years. The reason the haunting story was created is because without it, the implication is Dumbledore never asked her or knew it was Tom all along

[@donb7519]

​@@bigchilling420doesnt diary riddle say dumbledore suspected him which is why he stopped but he was kept safe cause everyone else loved him

[@bigchilling420]

@@donb7519 Pretty sure Tom frames Hagrid because of the convo with Dumbledore. I was saying if Dumbledore truly didn't know who originally opened it, it's very strange he didn't ask the ghost of the girl who died...

[@finkiusmaximus]

Muggles ending up in the care of Healers seems to be under the umbrella of Arthur's (then) job, probably followed by Obliviation. And Arthur also magically cures Dudley's tongue.

[@LordMorbannaon]

Glasses - absolutely see through. Designed to help you see *better*. Reflection - not the true object, just an image of it. Camera - not the true object, just an image of it. Ghost - they are not completely transparent; by their very nature, they must have a degree of opacity in order for an observer to discern shape, clothing etc. so, either this is enough to prevent the basilik gaze from hitting with 'full power' OR (since it affected Nick as well) its affect on the ghostly form simultaneously made it opaque enough to block the killing effect. Regular glass is famed for its 'not blocking sight/light' properties, it's why we use it for things we want to see through.

[@sawanna508]

Exactly this is so obvious to me I don't understand how anyone could be confused about it.

[@TaiaFlake]

Moaning Myrtle was haunting Olive Hornby for years after she was killed. By the time she was forced to Hogwarts, people had forgotten she was the one who died by the monster.

[@conormurphy4328]

You’d think dumbledore would have followed up with her spirit immediately.

[@hufflepom]

Theory, the reason that Umbridge can’t clean up the Fred and George swamp is that part of the magic of the swamp is that SHE can’t clean it up. Like part of the prank is that it causes extra issues for her.

[@Nerdnotwashere]

That would be absolutely hilarious!!!

[@hufflepom]

@@Nerdnotwashere I mean they do offer a discount to anyone who will use the pranks against her. So 🤷‍♀️

[@torazely]

Nah, I just think it's the matter of her not being that strong in her magic. She got where she did by knowing how to smooth talk the right people, not from being gifted magically. So Fred and George, who ARE especially strong wizards, were able to conjure up the swamp that then Umbridge failed to get rid of.

[@shweppy]

There is precedence for this. The Marauders enchanted the map to recognize Snape and insult his abnormally large nose.

[@josephcantu3562]

My headcanon for why people do not get paralyzed when looking through nearly headless Nick is because they are seeing a distorted version if you just look through glasses then everything looks the same but if you look in a puddle and see a reflection or you look through nearly headless Nick everything would be blurry

[@josephcantu3562]

I know it's a run on sentence, I was using text to speech lol.

[@t.j.armendariz354]

Halloween is a contraction of “All Hallow’s Eve” which is the old English term for the Eve of All Saints Day and was considered the first day of “The Triduum of Death” a time of remembering and praying for souls in purgatory (All Souls Day, Nov 2), and celebrating saints in heaven who were not on the universal liturgical calendar (All Saints (Hallows) Day, Nov 1). To call an object a hallow would mean its holy (etymologically meaning set apart for a purpose) so a Deathly hallow would be an object set apart for or by Death.

[@whitehorsebricks2670]

Isn't is a festival stolen from samhain though? When it's the day between years that the gap between the worlds of the living and the dead is closed?

[@donb7519]

​@@whitehorsebricks2670less stolen and more merged with. Since festivals tended to be based on seasons lots of cultures from the same hemisphere had very similar autmnal and spring and summer festivals. Then when they meet and converge from conquest or immigration or other methods so too do festivals and traditions. Halloween in the modern sense is a blend of like 3 holidays.

[@cradd7108]

Been waiting for this! This has become my favorite way to start a Sunday, turn on the pod and start cleaning the house!

[@Sygmus6]

I always picture Mrs. Norris sticking out of the torch bracket, so like there’s no torch there but instead it’s the cat inserted into the bracket by its straight, petrified tail.

[@michaellattin4211]

I always pictured it curved up over her back and hung like a hook from the sconce. But I love this idea as well

[@sawanna508]

It imagined that the petrified tale was tide to the torch holder with a string.

[@suorastas1]

Having just gotten my car stuck in a ditch and waiting for a tow truck this was perfect timing

[@alaskaroller2192]

Hope you’re alright!

[@fumkioyuki8457]

How hope your alright

[@suorastas1]

@@alaskaroller2192 only my pride was hurt fortunately. I blame whoever plowed that road as it wasn’t at all clear where the road ended and the ditch began.

[@IdaSantti]

​@@suorastas1 that's the worst!

[@laceymcelroy2802]

I've been to many "celebrations of life" and man that's how I want to be remembered. The funeral home we had my grandmother's funeral was so confused and pleasantly surprised by the happy and joyful sounds we had been making. We had been laughing and joking about good times. And my family is Christians, so we don't believe death is bad or even good bye. Its see ya later and that person is actaully in a better place. So yes we cry because we miss them, but then we laugh and joke about good times and hope we cant wait to see them again!

[@LangThoughts]

40:11 Maybe Filch is such a cantankerous person that he just actually likes the atmosphere? Also note the similarities to Mrs. Figg who is later to revealed be a squib....

[@rittersportfan]

I don't know how it is written in the book "Phantastic Beasts", but in the book that Hermione finds in the library nothing is said about petrification. It says that the basilisk is killing with his stare and Ron and Harry just conclude that the stare have to petrify people if they see it indirectly. So perhaps Dumbledore didn't have this information and he definitly didn't know that Harry hears a voice nobody else hears. But you're right, he should still be able to connect the dots. And for Tom Riddle taking Ginny to the chamber without telling anyone: He wanted to lure Harry down there. That was the whole point of kidnapping Ginny. He wanted to come back in a physical form and kill Harry at the same time.

[@adamrabe3105]

The one thing that I will say for the movies is when they actually improve upon the material in the books. Kenneth Branagh as Lockhart is spectacular and so is every McGonagall burn that Maggie Smith gives us (she just makes them all the better).

[@Girlwithafoxhat4]

1) the nimbus 2000 I think is named in a way similar to how infomercials would sell stuff like “the ninja-3000” meaning the 3rd model 2) I imagine the food at the death day party is “dead” aka decomposing and/or burned so they’re tasting the “spirit” of the food as they pass through it. 3) it’s possible nick is playing horror music because he thinks it’ll make him seem more scary to the headless hunt members.

[@pierrekimmel7364]

As a child of the nineties, any "cool" or "revolutionary" product between 1990 and 2000 was branded with "2000" in its name. We were so close to "THE FUTURE". Also, I think Dumbledore knew the monster was a basilisk, but had no idea where it came from and how.

[@starinthecirclestudios5840]

I was just watching the second movie and at the end I was thinking, what if Dumbledore cancelled the exams not because Harry defeated the basalisk but as an apology for giving the students Lockhart for DADA.

[@forestgrump4723]

I always thought though… what about the 5th and 7th years though?

[@starinthecirclestudios5840]

@@forestgrump4723 give each of the seventh years a letter of recommendation for whatever job they want 🤷‍♀️Idk what he could do for the fifth years at that point

[@TheSonofruss]

Fred and George leave during their 7th year Professor Kettleburn is the care of magical creatures

[@Sebastian-lw5qb]

Percy being in character when serving as a red herring is not a failure at all but some believable writing.

[@kalebzerger301]

The ghosts are just playing every instrument ever smashed by a famous rockstar 😂

[@rhondacrosswhite8048]

Pete Townsend perhaps?

[@hufflepom]

Although it is never established as canon, I am convinced that Barty Crouch Sr. is a Slytherin. One of their main traits is ambition and Barty Crouch Sr. is super ambitious.

[@Anna-B]

20:10 I’m sorry, but you’ve never said anything that can convince me Filch is a poltergeist 😂! His job doesn’t make complete sense, but that’s it

[@PhilBagels]

Yep. Dumbest theory ever. Filch is an ordinary human, a squib, doing the same caretaking job that others (possibly not squibs) have done before him. Peeves, on the other hand, has been there for a very long time - longer than the lifetime of a human wizard. Filch's attitude is unfortunate, but understandable - If everyone around me could do magic, and I was the only person who couldn't, I'd probably be rather cranky, too. By Occam's Razor, a much more likely explanation is that Filch has nowhere else to go - the muggle world rejects him as a crazy person who is always talking about magic and wizards, or that he is being punished for some crime. Poltergeists are mischievous, destructive, noisy spirits. Filch is not mischievous, destructive, nor noisy.

[@loopylinguist7716]

The nail in the coffin on this theory for me is the fact that there was a caretaker before Filch. How can he be a poltergeist if there was someone who had his job before him?

[@sawanna508]

Exactly. If he is a poltergeist how can he be sick? Peeves is never sick in anyway. I am not even sure the basilisk would affect him at all. And if the connection between Filch and Mrs. Norris is so strong beause she is part of him why didn't he feel the moment she got petridied. I think he is among the last people arriving there. Also I don't take everything literally. The "mysterious connection" between them could be just a figure of speech instead of meaing that they are connected by some power. Beside I think there could be a meta explanation for Flich. He could be a represenation of a real person. Also there are several things most people exprienced turing school live like the mean teacher like Snape, the strickt but fair teacher everyone likes like MacGonagall and a caretaker that is feared by the children. Most of the schools I went to had such a caretaker or at least a caretaker who was kind of rough and not really friendly.

[@noblegas8485]

So apparently Barty Crouch Jr.'s house is officially unknown, but I like to head canon him as a Hufflepuff. His loyalty is his defining feature.

[@MrFinch-vx2kb]

He truly possessed qualities of every house, a truly well rounded wizard: Cunning, Intelligent, Loyal, Brave. It's a shame he was led down such a dark path. Like Sirius said, maybe Barty Sr. Should've spent more time at home, more time showing his son he cared about him. Instead his son found support and someone to admire in Voldemort

[@noblegas8485]

@@MrFinch-vx2kb amen. A father's love should have done wonders there

[@olandir]

I just read on a Potter wiki that it's Ravenclaw

[@JosephDavies]

@@olandirHP wikis aren't very reliable. You have to check the references to find the source to determine if it's from the novels, the movies, Pottermore, or one of the many fanfic mobile game junk that just make random things up for gameplay.

[@robertgronewold3326]

None of the four Hogwarts ghosts were killed at Hogwarts. Helena Ravenclaw was murdered by the Bloody Baron in the woods in Albania, where the diadem and later Voldemort were hidden. The Fat Friar was burned at the stake by his fellow monks when they figured out that his healing was magical. And Sir Nicholas was beheaded on a Manor House estate in the south of England. Ghost in Harry Potter basically can go wherever they want, they just tend to stick to one single place in the end. Moaning Myrtle for example was Haunting her school bully for years, even disastrously crashing a wedding, before the ministry of magic finally came in and told her to stop harassing the woman.

[@LangThoughts]

Could have someone brought the ax to Hogwarts when Nick took up residence there, but then it thrown into the Room of Hidden Things?

[@robertgronewold3326]

@@LangThoughts Likely some student was up to no good with that axe.

[@remyhocage9854]

Another interesting pod-cast. Thanks guys. Your mention of 1492 and 1942 is a good connection. I always think of Isabelle & Ferdinand, the Spanish royals who funded Columbus, as Henry VIII's in-laws (First wife, Katherine of Aragon).

[@sawanna508]

Also 1492 is the end of the Middle Ages.

[@FoxbrushDraws]

Glasses don't obscure your vision, they improve it. They don't even skew your gaze, they bring things in better focus.

[@HookVonStun]

Riddle spells out why he made Ginny write her own farewell message on the wall, he is deliberately baiting Harry.

[@hamster4810]

The whole Percy red herring thing is something completely new to me, despite having read the books so many times I’ve never even noticed that he was meant to be a red herring in this book and you’re the first person to ever point it out

[@Halfbloodprincesss8]

Same! I never really paid attention to Percy’s actions or anything and always just wrote him off as the pompous older brother

[@gamer_dude94]

It's Ernie MacMillan who accuses Draco. Also, I worked at a zoo as security before, and they only fed their snakes once a month because the more they eat, the bigger they grow.

[@EpicRandomness555]

34:01 I think the difference is a ghost is translucent and glasses are transparent

[@kozuet9537]

I’m a simple man, I see a new Episode of Through the Griffin Door and I like 👍

[@laurynwalton]

“It’s been so long since this morning - I’m so hungry!” Me: oh, the basilisk is a 2 year old. That makes sense why he just left his mess laying around. 😄

[@itsallme1234]

How is there a magical connection between Filch and Mrs Norris when Filch has no magical powers? Because the CAT has magical powers! New theory: Mrs Norris is an animagus who got stuck as a cat, and she's actually the caretaker of Hogwarts, and Filch is her familiar.

[@MrMorda898]

I've got a theory about Filch. It seems to me that he's hired out of pity. Because he's a squib (which we could read as the equivalent of s disability, or neurodivergence - just something that keeps him on the outside of mainstream society), there's no place for him anywhere else. So Dumbledore hires him to do a job that doesn't need to be done. As you say, the house elves are there, anyway. And the adults can just use magic to clean and fix anything in an instant. Filch is completely redundant, BUT, he needs to go somewhere.

[@jamie7398]

My theory is Filch is being punished. Maybe Filch tried to do something with magic most likely a potion and someone got hurt. The Ministry of Magic didn't want to send him to Azkaban because he's a squib so they have him cleaning after magical kids the muggle way as punishment.

[@Grudzien1995]

@MrMorda898 good theory but there was another caretaker when Molly and Arthur were in school

[@PhilBagels]

A fine theory. I lean more towards the theory that he's being punished for some crime. After all, the word "filch" means to steal. It could also be a combination of both. And also the possibility that he is so immersed in the magical world, that he keeps talking about it and either revealed stuff that violates the magical secrecy laws, or else muggles all think he's crazy, so no one in the muggle world will give him a job. Any or all of the above makes more sense than the theory that Filch is a poltergeist - which makes no sense whatsoever. The idea that Filch is a poltergeist is the single stupidest theory I've ever heard anyone espouse regarding Harry Potter.

[@danielfleming5585]

Oof, maybe Ginny grabbed the cat, tied it to the torch AND THEN the basilisk prettified it!

[@Quintzal]

Suggestion for a future "what if" series: What if characters communicated effectively with each other? So much of the plots of each book hinge on major characters hesitating to share pertinent info when needed. What if that literary device was taken out of the story in favor of common sense?

[@thequirkyquark]

As far as the naming convention of the Nimbus goes, I remember back in my elementary school days, which would've been about 1994-1998, everyone was naming things futuristically with the number 2000. It was just the hype surrounding the upcoming millennium that people were getting a jumpstart on that trend. So it wasn't really out of place, just reflective of real world conventions.

[@hufflepom]

One thing that popped into my head this week is how silly it is that Slytherin has a locket. Godric has a sword, okay makes sense for a burly man to have a sword. Rowena has a diadem, okay fancy lady has a tiara. Helga has a fancy cup, okay a little weird, but we are the food people. The idea of Salazar, a man, having his special thing be a necklace just makes me giggle. Anyone else?

[@VeraEdelman]

I feel the same way about Tom Riddle and his diary. They just had a lot of secrets 😙

[@Kat-zk6qy]

I think it makes sense, a locket is for a portrait of someone dear to you to keep by your heart. He locks away his monster in the chamber of secrets.

[@lewisbeer6156]

​@@Kat-zk6qy it's also a secrecy thing

[@Nater_V]

Personally I feel with how they depict some wizards, a locket isn't that weird. Personally I feel a sword for someone with crazy range attacks is the odd one out

[@riluna3695]

Doesn't strike me as all that odd, but then, I'm already odd since I think the Heart Locket in Undertale was Asriel's rather than Chara's. So a guy having a sentimental locket is already a normal thought for me. Not that there seems to be much in common between the snake prince and the soft fluffy goatboi.

[@richewilson6394]

It could be that the bloody ax was taken from where Nicholas was beheaded and it had his blood on it so it was able to act as an anchor for a spirit to stay in the location such as Hogwarts. And obviously he was beheaded because he was denounced as a witch / wizard in their world so he obviously wouldn't be at Hogwarts. It may also be Nicholas's dying wish that part of himself would be at Hogwarts to be a ghost.

[@patrickdukart3298]

Maggoty Haggis sounds like a great name for a villain in your "Founders" series!!!

[@mikebrown1881]

The grey Lady sais that the Bloody Baron carries his chains as a sign of penance… so it seams that chains magically appears on remorseful ghosts.

[@finkiusmaximus]

Glasses are different IMO because all of the other indirect views of the basilisk are somehow obscured, whereas glasses actually direct the focus. If anything, Harry and Myrtle's bad vision may have added protection. But probably not. And using a basilisk definitely still counts as murder for Horcrux consideration. Just as much as using a sword or a firearm would.

[@LadyBeyondTheWall]

Poor derpy Mrs. Norris! ❤ And hm I always assumed Mrs Norris was hanging from the post in the movie as well, but I guess I just imagined that it specifically showed that, as I read the books first. Looks like they were going to do the same thing but maybe didn't know how to put her on there and not make it look weird like it does in the chapter art.

[@sybersisters3688]

The reason the ghosts had rotten food could have been to make them glad they are dead. I remember Nick talking to Harry and Ron at some point and saying how he wishes he was alive so he could eat food.

[@tarndaystar-tb4ke]

Regarding Filch's role at Hogwarts I agree with explanation my mother gave while reading me the story, her interpretation was that Dumbledore is providing a home and job security to an old friend who cannot perform magic and has no marketable skills to speak of within the wizarding world being a Squibb and all.

[@MsCandycorn]

Guys, there are a few things you keep focusing on, that are simple to figure out. 1. Lots of real life stuff was called 2000 in the early 90's so it's very accurate, even for 92. The game "Sim City 2000" came out in 1993 for instance. It was very normal. 2. As a teacher and mother, I totally get why Molly Weasley asked "what's the platform number?" It's not because she doesn't know, because of course she does! Teachers do this all the time to see if students have learned, and that was Molly as a mother testing her daughter. It's also very common, and you guys probably do it too as parents yourself. 3. I am sure that Moaning Murtle was just crying in the bathroom and took her glasses off. Then she died. And put them on as a ghost - they can interact with objects. Also, I am sure the headmaster Dippet talked to her ghost, but it's not like she knew much!!! She didn't even see who or what killed her - all she said was that she was crying and all she can remember is that she saw "a pair of great, big yellow eyes over there by that sink" - and even if the headmaster or Dumbledore who was a teacher then, had found the snakesymbol on the sink, it's not like they could have entered the chamber! Parceltongue is as we know not common! So I am sure they talked to Myrtle, but it didn't help any.....

[@PunchSuccaa]

Now I cant stop imagining peeves threatening nearly headless nick with a dementors kiss in year 3

[@hufflepom]

Is it ever explained how the basilisk gets to the people? I know he moves around in the pipes, but there are no pipes coming out near the library. 🤷‍♀️

[@jaredbennett7677]

Realistically as J.K. was writing this book, I really doubt that she was specifically trying to set up a connection between those two cabinets, let alone for a future plot point 3 or 4 books in the future, and unlikely a few other circumstances where we draw parallels between objects, this is later explicitly pointed out, i believe. So, that means by those future points she decided to actively connect those dots. So I really want to know at what point did she realize that there were all of these loose ends dangling that she could tie together so effectively? Very impressive in the future, if not now

[@MarmieVidi]

I’ve always just thought that Filch was given the job so that he could feel part of something/have something to do as he seems a little…not normal. Maybe the rest of his family are wizards, but with him being a squib they didn’t know what to do with him, so they asked the head master to make him do something so that they knew where he was and that he would be ok (without the family needing to live with him) 🤷🏼‍♀️ They’re still mean to him, somewhat (making him do things the others could easily do with a wand), but it also seems like he feels that he has a lot of purpose since there’s always thing to do and kids to look after!

[@LeaF-vo2mx]

I've always found you guys so entertaining, but I don't think i've ever laughed as hard watching as I did hearing your thoughts on the Basilisk ruminating on how long its been since he'd eaten😂😂😂

[@malbarez1536]

As for the why they didn’t have people just wear glasses or something like that. They didn’t know it was a basilisk until Harry pulls the paper out of Hermione figures it out and then gets petrified.

[@conormurphy4328]

I would say the rotting food at the death day party is a precursor to Nick’s conversation with Harry after Sirius dies, in which he expresses that ghosts are actually afraid of death and that their existence is worse and lesser. Showing them trying desperately to have physical interaction with the world is an example of them clinging to life and wanting to return because they fear death. As far as Nick blocking the basilisk’s stare I would say that his ghostly form which is misty was enough to refracted the light so that it lessened the impact of the magic resulting in petrification. Or that the magic which sustains Nick as a ghost interacted with the magic of the Basilisk enough to weaken it to only petrify.

[@jordy9096]

You can see in the movie she is hanging at the same height as the other torches, the ceiling is insanely high, if she was hanging from the ceiling she wouldn’t be eye level. There are also clear shots of her on the torch.

[@Gwaeddwynn]

In Hogwarts Legacy you can find a note written by Salazar Slytherin that he will be going to place the "thing in the chamber" into hibernation... I guess that's how the basilisk survived all this time. if you count that game as being canonical

[@anna-katehowell9852]

New SCB canon: pumpkin juice gives you diarrhea

[@rinwall4765]

"People are more decent than that..." I beg to differ. I've dealt with kids that age who scream it at the top of their lungs and then claim they have a "n-word pass" because their mexican skin is dark enough... and the school I was in is in a choke-hold to do ANYTHING by way of stopping them.

[@countrygal2611]

The way you describe how the Slytherin/Gryffendor friendship had to of been, I automatically picture Cory and Shawn from Boy Meets World

[@jamessmithson-br7rm]

As someone living in the UK, I didn’t know that 1492 was the year America was “discovered” until I started watching this channel. It is not taught as standard in UK schools like it is in America.

[@jamessmithson-br7rm]

In the same way that I guess US schools don’t all teach about the Norman conquest of England in 1066, but it is a date most UK schoolchildren would know

[@jamessmithson-br7rm]

So it is quite possible it didn’t even cross JK’s mind when writing those dates

[@sawanna508]

It also marks the end of the Middle Ages. -I didn't know the discovery of Amreica is not touch as a standard in UK. It is tought here in Austria but maybe because of the conenction to the Spanish kings and queens. But I mostly remember that year because of the movie Conquest of Paradise but I forget it ones in a while because it is not easy to remember.

[@MarcoPolo-nx5tk]

Hey brother!! I love looking forward to seeing through the griffin door every Sunday! Warms up my week.

[@Tophadoodledoo]

TL;DR - The basilisk's death stare is an eye beam. Long version The Basilisk's power is likely a sort of wave that transmits through its eyes into the eyes of its victims; the eyes being the most vulnerable thing to go through to affect the brain. Basically whatever the Basilisk is doing, if it works as intended, is using some form of magic that shuts down the brain of its victim. Ghosts, as energy-based entities likely dissrupt that wave. Reflective surfaces probably disperse it upon reflection, meaning it's not concentrated enough to outright kill; same is possible for cameras, also helped by the fact that people typiclly close one eye when taking pictures through film cameras. Glasses, if anything, act to amplify the effect, if not doing anything at all.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this! One of the best podcasts ever! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@M.P.D-TheBagel]

Not to discount your Slytherin V Gryffindor Halloween curse, cuz it still works in a tangential Voldemort’s plan kinda way, but I’ve always been partial to Barty Jr being a Ravenclaw, he’s clearly shown to be very intelligent, getting 12 OWL’s and just in general being the most competent Death Eater in Voldemort’s ranks, on top of the fact that it just makes their ranks more diverse House wise, there’s no evidence for Barty Sr’s House but I do like the idea he was Slytherin giving his ambitions to become Minister for Magic

[@goobda_]

Thank you for not including ads in the KZbin version of the podcast. So if you have Premium you can have a proper podcast experience!

[@user-xz9ee4mn2f]

My favorite theory about filtch and Mrs.Norris is that she was a witch who messed up trying to be an Anamagi and is stuck being a cat and he is still holding on to their love 😢

[@genius42995]

We did see Newt use a magical cure on Jacob in the first Fantastic Beasts movie. Also I’m pretty sure that we learned in book 5 that some muggles were in St. Mungo’s and Arthur was wanting to talk to them. Or possibly when Arthur was talking about muggle baiting with what his department deals with and mentions that they were taken there for treatment. Either way it would demonstrate that muggles can have magical treatment

[@willieclark2256]

‘Where can you even get a maggoty haggis’ Fife in February

[@HookVonStun]

To add to the immortality debate, I don't think Voldemort feeling remorse about making the Horcruxes would count towards reconstructing his soul. Hermione says that you have to really feel what you have done, referring to the murders that tore your soul. Voldemort might feel some remorse over his hasty decision to anchor himself forever in life, but not over taking other people's lives.

[@anaisabelpais7389]

Gryffindor and Slytherin's friendship HAS to parallel Sirius and James', right? I love in PoA, when they're talking about them in the Three Broomstick's, and Hagrid is talking about them being like brothers. Never saw one without the other. It was a shock that Sirius betrayed James. I can totally imagine people saying the exact same thing about Salazar and Godric 12 years after their fight

[@jaywolford3898]

In my head canon Nearly Headless Nick is the inspiration for Henry VIII breaking with the ax tradition and hiring a swordsman from France. I read somewhere that he was a wizard on the royal court making him apart of Henry VII's court. Though Henry VIII would have only been a little over a year old at the time of the execution, but I think it is safe to assume that such a botched execution story would have traveled around court a lot, and Henry VIII would grow up hearing about it. Not wanting the possibility of that botch for Queen Anne Henry VIII broke with tradition to hire the French swordsman. Probably due to both a little bit of caring, and a lot of ego. Though it happened after Anne, Margaret Pole reportedly took 11 swings, Thomas Cromwell took a few under Henry VIII. Later even Mary Queen of Scots took 3.

[@ahabasi]

Ben and J: talking about ghosts' food Me: Ah yes, I sure now about ghosts' affection for rotten food. Once I MYSLEF stole rotten beef from the kitchen and brought it to Hogsmade cementary to win over sir Patrick so he lets me hang out during the headless hunt.' (No, I'm not crazy, it's a Hogwarts Legacy side quest for Gryffindors 😅) By the way, when trailer for the game was out you were wondering how the game would fit into the canon... maybe it's time to revisit this idea? Especially since HL is a hot topic again because of recent announcements 😉 I believe side plot of Slytherin's descendants is definitely worth a deep dive! Also, Dumbledore as the one who can use the ancient magic... and did Voldemort was able to use it too?? 🙊

[@toribellmar7623]

best part of Sunday, here we go! ❤

[@anabellik]

For the "Nimbus" being "2000", if you lived in the nineties, there was a huge boom of calling everything "2000". Because it sounded so cool and new and modern.

[@Illjwamh]

My theory on why Nick is the Gryffindor house ghost despite not becoming a ghost until the school had already been around for at least 500 years is that there were no former Gryffindor ghosts up until that point. He was literally the first Gryffindor since the founding of the school to choose that path, so he became the house ghost by default.

[@tuneinwithtj2500]

What a great way to start a Sunday ❤

[@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie]

In the movie, they meet Mytle in the bathroom, due to the fact that they skip this chapter, & Hermione somehow already knows her in the movie, too . . . 🤔 Also, the twins DO leave in the middle of their 7th year, like RIGHT BEFORE the O.W.L.'s for the Golden Trio, I think . . . In the movie, it happens DURING the exams, but if I remember correctly, in the book, it happens RIGHT BEFORE . . . 😉 Also, also, actually, actually, if Filch IS a poltergeist & Mrs. Norris IS part of Filch, CAN Mrs. Norris actually die from a basilik?? Can poltergeist actually die?? I know they can be EXPELLED from the castle, but can they DIE?? 🤔 Also, the thought of Voldemort just sitting all alone on a "rock" throne with a HAT 🎩 on his head is just freakin' HILARIOUS!! 🤣 No, I think magical cures DO work on muggle b/c doesn't Newt cure Jacob's bite with magic in FB?? Also, I think, in cannon, the Hufflepuff ghost, the Monk (I don't quiet remember his full name now (the Fat Frair, I think?)) dies b/c he tries to do something nice & KIND (get it? A Hufflepuff trait 😉) & cures muggles WITH magic & too many muggles were finding out about magic, so he was put to death. I think I read that somewhere on Pottermore one time . . . 🤔 Also, in the REAL muggle world, didn't the musicians on the Titanic continue playing as the the Titanic went down?? And maybe the basilisk is SO hungry b/c tiny rats don't really provide enough nutrients for a GIANT snake?! 😂

[@booksandtea1663]

Great video brothers! I think the common thread of Halloween events wouldn't be Gryffindor vs Slytherin - it would be something that harms Hogwarts itself - either the castle, or the spirit of it. The fracture between the founders would kick off harm to their magical home, kind of like Casita fracturing due to the broken relationships among the Madrigals.

[@booksandtea1663]

Hence the troll in the Hogwarts dungeon, the harm to a Hogwarts resident and blood on the walls, the damage to the Fat Lady portrait, the infiltration of Hogwarts by a Death Eaters plan and how the school is divided because of it (Cedric vs Harry), etc.

[@stecky87]

"Too much fiber in the pumpkin juice"😆

[@taylorhagen3916]

I personally found the act of oercy bullying ginny into taking a potion, to be one of his better moments He clearly is just trying to be a good brother, and give his sister medicine she looks like she needs

[@carlinrackley8547]

Care of Magical Creatures before Hagrid was Professor Silvanus Kettleburn. So he'd be Fred and George's teacher for that year.

[@stecky87]

I read that line about Percy as he, in his own weird way, cares about his siblings, not as a red herring

[@JosephDavies]

"Unclear" Not so unclear, if you continue to a few shots later. After the trio see Mrs. Norris, the film cuts to showing the crowd approach, and then Filch making his way through the crowd, and then react to seeing his cat. The camera then cuts back to show us what he sees, and it pans up far enough to show that she is indeed hanging from the torch by her tail, as described.

[@avalon7832]

I think in Justin and Nick's case Justin's view would have been a bit blurred or distorted which might have been why he was able to survive

[@learikosontcuit7129]

As always I really love your analysis. There are always things I rediscover. Thank you so much💜 My question for you is: how does the basilisk get out of the pipe to go in the corridor. Surely the vents are not big enough for a Giant snake to go through? Then how do people see his eyes. Do they just accidentally cross his gaze in the vent whilst the snake is still in the wall? Which, would be a bit anticlimactic about "the basilisk attacks", but would explain why he doesn't actually eat his prey (poor baby is stuck in the walls)

[@javihojman9150]

I was thinking about the Slytherin attacking Gryffindor on Halloween... I think it's more like there's always betrayals on Halloween, first with the death of Lily and James caused by Peter, then Quirrel pretending to be good, Sirius turning on the Gryffindor house by trying to get in and kill Peter, maybe Ron betraying Harry by doubting him about the name in the goblet thing... I don't know, just a thoughy!

[@AustynSN]

I've always figured that the house ghosts are the first person from that house to have died. This would explain why The Gryffindor House ghost is so much younger than all the others. As courage is the primary attribute of Gryffindors, someone who was too cowardly to move on took a lot longer to appear among them. Myrtle does mention at some point that she saw its horrible eyes, and that's the only thing that she remembers As far as Myrtle's glasses stopping the basilisk from killing her, I've always figured that since glasses make your vision accurate, she would have actually survived if she'd not had them on. Whereas seeing through a ghost or seeing through a camera lens (very slightly) distorts your vision from what it should be. Fred and George would have had to have been third years during Harry's first year and fourth years during the second book. This is because they left at the end of book 5, and if they weren't at least 17, the age of majority of wizards, they would not legally have been able to leave the school. As they were older than 17 when they left, there was nothing the school could do about it. As far as The Bloody Baron and him having chains versus other ghosts having chains, I don't think he died with chains, but I think it's more like the same thing with Jacob Marley in A Christmas. Carol. They're the chains of his suffering for his sins in life. It's also good to remember, that the silvery blood that he's covered in is not his own, but Helena ravenclaws. (The boys incorrectly referenced The Ghost of Christmas Past as having chains. It was Marley.) As far as little basilisks being hungry, but having you been eating rats all this time, maybe the rats just don't satiate everything it needs. Maybe what the basilisk really needs is to kill some of those “filthy mudbloods”. After all, giant evil snakes created by black magic shall not live on rats alone. I suppose in some ways, maybe it's like how it is with my own writings, vampires have the need to take human life. Sure, they can just live off animal blood, but even the ones who try to be decent instead of murderous demonic monsters have a need at the core of their very corrupt soul to actually murder someone. As far as Mrs. Norris's tail being curled, maybe it was just like that when she saw the basilisk through the puddle. The Voldemort possessed Jenny took advantage of how it was curled. As far as Voldemort/Ginny saying that she had been kidnapped and taken to the chamber, perhaps it wasn't Voldemort that actually did it, but a slight influence of Ginny trying to fight back. If she was able to within their slightly shared mind convince him that it was his idea, and that more people would fear him, then he likely would have done it. Sure, he had completely overpowered her, but he still has his massive ego, and she is still a fairly clever witch.

[@evatesche]

Yes, Myrtle usually wears glasses, but who says she whore tehm in that particular scenario? She went into the bathroom crying if I remember correctly, so she probably took her glasses off at that point. And that is why she can also only recall staring into "big yellow eyes". She doesn't see the Basilisk very well without her glasses.

[@josephmatos6802]

I was always had the understanding Ginny hung Mrs Norris from the post then she was petrified because of the water on the floor because the cat startedto figure out what was happening and going to tell filch. They do have her hanging from a light post in the movie as well. Love the pod I look forward to every Sunday morning!