Thunderbird ISN'T from 2003 anymore!

[@pronoy2108]

Maybe not from 2003 but from 2015?

[@roberttranceedm]

Yet. But they are not stopping. 114 next year brings not just further features and feature improvements but huge UI overhaul as well.

[@elgranpichiricky]

Nah, it's still in the 2010s

[@therealb888]

Which is better than the 2022 material you ui oversized buttons and dull pastel colors

[@Martin.Krischik]

@@roberttranceedm Well 114 bring us a responsive GUI so that Thunderbird becomes usable on retina displays?

[@Martin.Krischik]

@@therealb888 I would love some larger GUI elements.

[@Chafmere]

Thunderbird is my go to. Super clean and easy to use.

[@DairyNZ]

Thunderbird has been my main email client for 10-15 years, I'd be lost without it. I use BlueMail on my android devices. With Gmail account set to imap everything sinks perfectly and even better, it's all free!

[@richi1074]

Majority of Thunderbird users are people who are “set in their ways”, just like me. So big UI changes are not always appreciated.

[@wayland7150]

I remember when they changed the way the CC line works, no end of frustration until pressing return did the job. Too much of this 'modern' look involves hiding the controls. If I wanted things hidden I would have stuck to the command line.

[@surject]

v68 forever (and v27 to import from Outlook). TB got worse over the years. Using it since 2003.

[@walking_on_earth]

I have to give Thunderbirb devs massive credit for making a FOSS email client that *just works* with all my email accounts, more so than any other app I have tried. My one problem with it is that the interface is very dense and busy, even when you adjust the density it doesn't really help much. I really wish they would make it look like every other contemporary email client that has a nice tall preview of each email so only a handful fit onto the screen vertically. It looks much better and actually reduces my stress levels as I don't have to look at 40 unread emails at once. Please devs, add an option for this layout. Other than that, it's a fantastic app.

[@wayland7150]

You means a few lines of the email under the subject line?

[@walking_on_earth]

@@wayland7150 just one line is enough. if you put the sender on one line, subject on a new line and a preview of the message body on a third line, it looks nice and relaxed. Mailspring has implemented this layout really nicely, but I have various reasons for preferring Thunderbird from a functional perspective.

[@wayland7150]

@@walking_on_earth True but tricky if you're used to the visual layout showing you. In recent years we've moved away from everything that can be done being visible on the screen to things only showing up if you know where to move the mouse. I'm not against hidden functionality like shortcut keys but you should be able to see what a graphical user interface is offering simply by looking at it. People have a lot of trouble with the right mouse click menus. I expect this is why Apple only have one button.

[@walking_on_earth]

@@wayland7150 fair enough that seeing many recent emails may be preferable from an accessibility standpoint. In an ideal world the layout I described would be another option.

[@george-cohen7954]

I've been using Thunderbird for years now, but the other day all my sub-folders just disappeared and haven't come back. Can't figure out what the problem is.

[@Leinsterbaby]

But does it store tour emails on a computer? In example, in case of a Mac? Or do all email clients store the email on device?

[@b33thr33kay]

Now that it has a calendar built in, can it do natural language recognition to create events based on text in the email? I really wish it did.

[@mortezaa306]

still no running in background on startup?

[@youtubeoneverything4581]

could share your wallpaper link please ?

[@RCjunkie]

Can you help me with this for Thunderbird, I 3 sys that I use TB on with 3 emails on all of them, 2 of the sys works find, But 1 will not let me sign on , It keeps telling me wrong PW

[@wayland7150]

You may have angered the email server. If you try logging in with the wrong credentials 3 times then it will forever tell you wrong password until you've not tried again for 15 minutes. Thunderbird will keep trying though and that will keep you locked out. I suggest you delete the broken account from Thunderbird and enter it again with absolutely correct details after 30 minutes.

[@joebonsaipoland]

Bro a link would be nice

[@michadybczak4862]

I'm using Thunderbird for over a decade. It's the best email client out there. I really love the new look. Will it be able to use protonmail without proton app? If yest, how do we set it up? Or in general, how to set PGP encryption?

[@user-lb1ib8rz4h]

you have to pay $50/year and then they offer email client support. i would suggest doing a web search on further instructions on setting this up.

[@portman8909]

It still looks too busy.

[@gamemoves2415]

Still doesn't work well with outlook

[@Berserkerbaboen]

When Thunderbird updates outside user interference it gives a wrong popup that the password is incorrect. Zero humans know they just have to complete the update. Horrid devs!!

[@John7No]

why they cannot make thunderbird utilize the same way as Evolution to connect to 365 accounts?

[@wayland7150]

Email works fine. Do you want the Calendar?

[@John7No]

​@@wayland7150 I am not sure how evolution does it, to be honest. Maybe it is over some kind of https etc, but they are not using IMAP of which TB is the only way to connect to 365.

[@turanamo]

No 2 factor authentication implemented yet. Have to use OWL

[@sc0or]

Why Linux UI is STILL blurred, dimmed, and thick like it's still in 2003? It seems that Linux UI designers are scarred to try thin lines with a certain color. Because it needs to make something with fonts, margins, consistency, common style, etc.. KDE has tried, but this is not enough. GNOME instead removed almost all UI elements to make nothing with them -) PS Again a question to Thunderbird and clones: how a h.. I can delete an email without reading it?! It seems that only Mailspring allows to make this.

[@Martin.Krischik]

Don't know but on a retina displays everything is indeed to small to be usable. So their fear might be justified. But reading your comment: Low res monitor users are unhappy because everything is to thick and high res monitor user are unhappy because everything is to thin. Responsive GUIs are the future.

[@sc0or]

@@Martin.Krischik Absolutely! This must be done 10 years ago.

[@mvtvgh6024]

Bro...

[@cheetahman859]

Font rendering and sizing is still abysmal. It's 2022 and still no native support for EWS/Office 365 email. Signature handling is still from 1999, as well as is html handing of creating emails. Still no ability to select font size in an email.

[@motoryzen]

I don't care if a version of a software was from 20 ish years ago as long as it's stable, secure, and just works... period

[@mingiasi]

Agreed. I rather see an "update" resolve some issue rather that give me fluff I : Didnt ask, dont want, go away and take NO for an answer!

[@motoryzen]

@@mingiasi I couldn't agree more. Some of these software devs just refuse to get such a common sense point

[@davidg5898]

As far as email clients go, I've always preferred Thunderbird and I'm glad they got a facelift and some needed under-the-hood improvements. That said, I've just switched entirely to webmail for my own purposes (except on my phone, of course). Because no matter where I am or whose computer I'm using, it is always a consistent experience.

[@davidg4512]

Hello another David G 😂

[@albertb4460]

Could you tell us which webmail are you currently using? Having to help out small enterprises and I'm really tired of roundcube

[@dead_art]

So much useless white space with a few lines of small text, hardly readable through all this whiteness, filling-up the whole 27" screen with little to no useful information? This wasn't the reality in 2003. In fact, in 2003 this UI-nonsense wasnt' even a nightmare… I don't use webmail, therefore I would be almost happy to have a 2003-ish-looking HTML-capable mail client.

[@Tall_Order]

Seems that people love flat UIs with empty space in them these days. I suppose it wont be so bad if they allow me to move pieces of the UI around though. Problem is most programs / apps these days don't allow that.

[@b33thr33kay]

On a similar vein, the Google Keep app was recently updated with one change: the space between items in a list was increased, so now I can see fewer items without scrolling. Why Google???

[@Martin.Krischik]

@@Tall_Order „empty space“ isn't the problem. „small text“ is the problem.

[@leobardek]

slow is a key word... yeah it's not 2003 anymore... its 2004 1st quater... , we need real modern look not a hoary old chesnut - I can't see any real improvement here

[@brianjuergensmeyer8809]

I use Betterbird when I need to use GPG, and Mailspring when I don't. Otherwise, the Thunderbird UI is just too painful for words. Buttons on different rows, one row with "filter" and the other with "search" (and what's the difference?). And then finding the magic three lines maybe an inch below the titlebar and an inch in from the RIGHT side of the screen that contains the hidden menu. And for the name of all that's holy, why are we still limited to a single line of preview with the subject and author of the email in the message list?? Fortunately, with b102 they've finally moved the buttons for the calendar and contact list off to the far left as a vertical button bar. Unfortunately, MacOS came up with the right recipe almost 20 years ago. Stop trying to jam your calendar and contact list into the email client. Three separate applications doing three separate jobs. Each app is light doing exactly what it needs to do. I very much want them to clean the UI up and go back to being the preferred client for Linux. Features? Oh, yeah. By far the most feature complete. So far, they're the only email client I've found that works correctly with GPG keys on smartcards. They've just fallen too far behind in the UI unless I really have to do something that's really REQUIRES Thunderbird.

[@minecrafter9099]

I actually like how thunderbird looked like, haven't really tested the new 102 version though

[@Lanzetsu]

I am super happy with Thunderbird, since 2 years ago I took it back to configure emails I never went back, tried Outlook and Mailspring as well but still Thunderbird is the best IMO

[@everyhandletaken]

I really like the aesthetics of the “new experience” look of Outlook on Mac, but the usability is absolutely horrendous (as is every MS product on Mac). Definitely going to take a look at Thunderbird now, given the UI update

[@MarcinScholke]

and LOV111VOL email client?

[@iaina3251]

It's absolutley a much needed improvement and certainly looks better, but it still looks old fashioned. Especially noticeable when you try to create an html email signature. I'm glad they're still updating this, but in my opinion, there's still a long way to go to make it look like a modern application.

[@TortelliniSRL]

I really wanted to start using thunderbird but i had trouble understanding emails quick enough due to its old-ish look, i still couldn't find a decent windows + linux alternative to replace it that makes me feel like i'm in 2022 tho... the search continues :D

[@ardishco]

use a theme I suppose

[@quazar-omega]

@@TortelliniSRL what about mailspring?

[@roberttranceedm]

You need to follow their news on Twitter and development road map laid out for even next year to. 114 will be a huge UI overhaul too.

[@TortelliniSRL]

@@ardishco is there an unofficial themes store? Because in the official one 98% of themes look like they came straight up from 2004

[@TacticalFreak]

I stopped using TB like... 8 years ago, and switched to closed sourced, paid, em Client. Why? Because I have 10+ email adresses, each with *thousands* emails. Also some Exchange/Office 365 emails, and multiple calendars. The problem with TB, at the time, was that all the emails were stored in a single file. Is that still the case nowadays? There is a huge file per mailbox, which would take multiple gigs of space. How is that a problem you may ask? The issue is that adding a new email becomes exponentionally slow, since the entire file needs to be re-created. Same with deleting, moving, an email, etc. So, in my experience TB used to work for small inboxes, but not with millions of emails. Then TB starts to freeze and to trash your disk. That was 8 years ago, I'm willing to come back. Meanwhile I tried Evolution on Linux, and this client supports my use case without problem.... except for the shit UI and bugs. So... has the INTERNALS of TB changed? Last time I checked their source repo, people mentioned the same design flaw I suffured from, and the devs said they'd never change this. So, almost a decade later, has the working design of TB changed? Can it support millions of emails? If not a new layer of paint ain't gonna change a shitty design.

[@nicolascossio5961]

IMO Thunderbird still feels "old". Like yes this is an improvement, but with Mailspring being free, open source and available on all platforms (now on AppleSillicon as well). The sync engine and the features it offers + great modern UI is just unbeatable for me. But the calendar in Thunderbird is a ver nice to have feature as well.

[@laxsjo.]

Thanks go the tip, I hadn't heard about Mailspring before!

[@MyAmazingUsername]

Agreed. Mailspring is waaaaaaay better than Thunderbird.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

You need an account with them, thread sharing involves sending your email data to them, cloud syncing involves them sharing access credentials to your email. I'll stick with thunderbird.

[@JodyBruchon]

This new interface is hot garbage. Thunderbird was perfectly fine. They ruined a great program. I've locked everyone to 102 so none of this disastrous nonsense touches their machines.

[@Tall_Order]

Around a decade ago, I switched away from thunderbird to Seamonkey for email on PC, and Bluemail for my phone. Why Seamonkey? It worked, that's why. But this is looking way better than I remember it. I may come back. I think the reason i switched away in the first place was I was told they were stopping development. Obviously they didn't. Meanwhile seamonkey was still getting updates.

[@watsoft70]

I find BlueMail the best IMAP email client on Android, Windows and Linux.

[@Tall_Order]

@@watsoft70 Me too. I've tried several apps. BlueMail is the only one I kept. I like it's combined inbox feature since I have several email addresses.

[@watsoft70]

@@Tall_Order It is a feature that I also find very useful, especially when it will default to the "Unified Inbox" on start-up unlike many other email clients. The support team respond very quickly to any issues and are keen to resolve. While I miss the convenience of the database of Outlook to organise and store my emails (using a POP3 connection), in many ways I find BlueMail a better alternative to what is the Holy Grail of email clients (IMHO).

[@pbezunartea]

I'm afraid the search feature is still a mess. That's the main reason I stopped using it...

[@JS-wl3gi]

Most things I needed extension for have now been added to default Thunderbird, which means you no longer have to use older versions. Wow that took about 6 years. Glad to be keeping Thunderbird after all.

[@adamkelm1043]

Thunderbird is a workhorse. It's not fancy but its designed to allow you to do a ton of work quickly and efficiently. It's essentially the John Deere of Email Programs.

[@kinglooper]

Inversely John Deere has earned the reputation of actually fighting against owners fixing their own equipment.

[@mrt.1903]

Not quickly and efficiently AT ALL

[@twizzycentral]

@@mrt.1903 how

[@watsoft70]

So, Thunderbird is still a gawd-awful email client that does all sorts of stuff but in a way that is pretty much incompatible with anything else. I'm not sure Outlook users will appreciate any of the changes because it will only be the unwise Outlook user that would end up using Thunderbird. For Outlook users there are far better options out there to which they might migrate should they fancy a change or be moving to Linux. I share your desire to move to the vertical list, but in 2022 and they still haven't got it on more than one line, taking up half the screen...even with wide screens these days it is woeful. Thanks for the clear concise presentation, but I think you may have a click on your microphone or the processing of your audio.

[@df3yt]

I've had loads of clients that scrapped outlook in favour on Thunderbird. Main reasons being performance, stability and less corruption. Basically functionality over form.

[@watsoft70]

@@df3yt It's each to their own, but I only have a low powered PC running Windows 10 and Outlook 2010 and have experienced none of the problems you mention. Come to think of it, I haven't had those issues in any version since launch. I do understand that while the Linux community have historically favoured Thunderbird, it hasn't been without issues and the developers haven't been quick to resolve said issues or improve functionality. That's sort of why this video is celebrating the release of the latest version. You report many of your clients using Thunderbird, but in all my years (and there's lots) of working in IT I have never witnessed a corporate or personal user, so I guess our clients/co-workers/friends move in different circles. It is "each to their own", but I'm not aware of anything that Thunderbird does as an email client that hasn't been previously implemented on other more pleasing (to me anyway) products.

[@df3yt]

@@watsoft70 Agreed - The type of common issues we encounter stability wise are pst limits and corruption. By design I prefer TB's storage system. Most clients like TB's speed when you have tonns of email - compared to Outlook. A couple months ago over 80 pc retail stores moved all their email over to TB from Outlook and most of them are privately owned. Apart from looks it's been nothing but complements when they compared their experience. So I think for many the issue is they aren't aware of anything outside of gmail and outlook.

[@Lagotarius]

On Linux, Evolution is what I use for Mail. K-9 Mail on Android and on Windows I play or work, so mails only in the browser, if needed.

[@MAGAMAN]

I haven't used Thunderbird since Eudora went out of business. After watching this I decided to try it out again. It's still shit. Change font size editing an rss file? Are you kidding me?

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Now, Thunderbird no longer looks like a program from 2003, but like a program from 2010.

[@wayland7150]

Considering the downward spiral into the drain user interfaces are taking I'd say they are doing well to slow the decent.

[@guguigugu]

i find outlook much more streamlined and manageable. thunderbird is trying to be everything to everyone and its become a bit of a mess honestly.

[@archimax08]

Microsoft spyware

[@extraplaceschannel]

Some useful tips - I have a suggestion - why not post a video on how to set up mailing lists to email everyone in a contact list - its not obvious how this is done.

[@shresthkumarlal285]

Nice to see you again at making content more occasionally:-)

[@ironsm4sh]

When an application tried to please people that aren't its users, they're just pushing away existing users.

[@waytospergtherebro]

Yeah now it looks like a Java application from 2006. Progress.

[@Martin.Krischik]

Your video motivated me to have another look. But I still can't use Thunderbird. I have a 5K, 220dpi display and every, absolutely every, GUI component is to small. In that respect Thunderbird is still stuck in 2003 and it's, by current standards, low resolution monitors. But then all of Linux is is still stuck in the 72 and 96dpi era.

[@df3yt]

I use TB on Linux and GUI scales crisp and fine. On Windows I have loads of proprietary apps that still don't scale well

[@df3yt]

But I don't use Wayland or gnome, on KDE I don't use global scale either. I force font DPI and things look good. Except for 5.25+ Panels sucks.

[@Martin.Krischik]

@@df3yt indeed. You have to force higher dpi in a configuration file. Which was the reason i moved away from Linux: I spend to much time tweaking configuration files and not enough time with productive work.

[@Martin.Krischik]

@@df3yt true. Modern Linux applications do a pretty good job at scaling. Just don't ever start XTerm. As such it's not a Linux achievement but a KDE or GNOME achievement.

[@meamzcs]

Imo by far my biggest pain point is the table where i would like a multiline per mail list...

[@MrsGussDoughboys]

Been using it for 25 years, clean, not bloated and keep my emails on another drive to easily copy a backup. 6 profiles and may email accounts

[@pw1187]

It is getting a lot better on the ui front.. But still the 90s called and they want their UI back... I just can't use Thunderbird it's ugly as sin...

[@xperience-evolution]

What do you use instead?

[@pw1187]

@@xperience-evolution since the majority of a free and open source email client in Linux sucks.. Mainly use the web page of whatever email i am checking

[@krtirtho]

They should take UI inspiration from BlueMail

[@djdjukic]

No, BlueMail users should keep using BlueMail and we'll keep using our ThunderBird as it is, thank you

[@vintprox]

I wish they made normal paddings a new default, but they still stick to their 2003 guns, ugh. And still no common Inbox for my multiple accounts. Tinkering it is then?

[@SNTrepie]

I've only recently dove into the RSS functionality of Thunderbird and that alone has made it a must have app. The calendar notifications are super handy too. Now if only Fedora would update their repos.

[@davidg1838]

Good review, thanks. I wasn't aware that v102 had been released and required a manual update. Also agree that the vertical layout works better. The OWL extension for Office365 server integration has been very handy for work - well worth the $15 fee.

[@zaired]

Same, didn't know there was a new 102, but I love the new UI. The new colors definitely bring life to the app. Too bad that it costs money for the OWL extension, I wish there was a lifetime subscription tho

[@TheOfficalAndI]

2 things that i hope get addressed in your UI & Code overhaul 1: Why can't we just drag and drop the email view on the bottom to the right side? That's way more intuitive than going in 2 submenues. 2: Why do the quickmenu icons on the left side *also* open tabs? That's redundant, those menues are then 'open' in two places at the same time. it clutters up the tab-list, sliding in between important emails. Making it hard to navigate around, or requiring one additional click to close the tabs again.

[@softwarelivre2389]

Agreed

[@macrodriguez5697]

Maybe some day we will get multiple line email lists like outlook, so that vertical view finally serves its purpose.

[@recklessroges]

You could write that as an extension.

[@clipartinc]

Thunderbird has been great for the past 10+ years I've been using it, but the search function has always been the worst and still is.

[@Ruzgfpegk]

Indexing when mails are downloaded on already large mailboxes still takes an insane amount of CPU and often looks like it makes the main thread wait... so there's still a lot of room for improvement next to which the GUI may be a nice touch, but not a fundamental one.

[@druid187]

I have been using Thunderbird since the beginning , I actually have always prefered the old school as you all consider dated intereface....it's always been stable, simple and have everything i needed...... not once has the program ever crashed on me! so glad they are still supporting it and hope they don't change the intereface to drastically in future updates.

[@girohead]

Agreed, change is not always good, more often it isn't. Windows 10 is a little better than XP, but everything in between was horrible. Quit screwing around....

[@furaosentu]

something's headed your way. You might want to look at the beta versions of TB, as this might break your deal. Admittedly, I don't know enough about it, though.

[@fatrat600284]

​@@giroheadWindows 7 was the best version of Windows.

[@imqqmi]

I'm using it as my personal email client for many years. Outlook doesn't look that great to me either, hardly intuitive, I use it daily for work. Thunderbird is simpler but still plenty capable for my needs though I must admit I don't use email all that much anymore. I've got K9 on my tablet which is similar in the dated looks department, but plenty functional. I use thunderbird mainly for archiving email. Is there an official dark theme? I've tried many themes but few look good.

[@DMSBrian24]

Doesn't look terrible but qt interfaces always end up looking too messy and cluttered in such complex apps imo, would be cool if there was a gtk client for it to look the part on gtk desktops like gnome and cinnamon

[@JohnFistikis69]

What are you talking about? Thunderbird is GTK based.

[@jonnyspeed8974]

I'll use it when it has a smart inbox. No way could I work with hundreds of newsletters littering my main inbox. Google has had this for over a decade. 2013!

[@dragonmaster1500]

I quite like the default mail app on Windows 10/11, however as Microsoft is forcing us to migrate to "New" Outlook, which is a clunky mess with intrusive adds disguised as emails, I am looking for an alternative desktop email app, as email should never live in the browser, and Thunderbird seems like it's probably the best alternative that's out there.

[@davids4668]

Thank you for this video. I've been using Thunderbird and addons for yonks. When the company changed to Exchange email, I tried Outlook but settled for Thunderbird plus the Owl addon. Thunderbird's email search feature (both the quick and the more advanced) are superior. The problem is that Thunderbird changed something over time which means that some of the really useful addons (e.g. Attachment Extactor, Mail Summaries) no longer work and development isn't continuing. The solution has been to have separate installation of an old version (68.9) in which the addons still work when they are needed.

[@LarryCarlin]

Timely video. I just updated Linux Mint to the latest ver 21 and decided to try Thunder-Chicken as we called it years ago. But, you are right, it’s much improved. Also, the Linux software manager installed ver 91.11.0. After seeing your video, I downloaded the latest from the site and that ver is 102.1.2. Also, to replicate a configuration on another pc, I just copied the .thunderbird folder from the home folder to 2nd. Then installed T-bird and it started up fully configured.

[@GeorgeStar]

How's your Mint 21 working? Mine seems to freeze for a few seconds occasionally. To upgrade Thunderbird you have to reinstall? Don't see an easy upgrade option.

[@LarryCarlin]

@@GeorgeStar I have Mint 21 running so far on 5 PCs; 3 are different HP tablets (8 GB mem, nvme drives), 2 PCs I built with Intel i7 ; one with the absolute latest hardware that only works 100% now with Mint 21. Minor issues in upgrading from 20.3 (manual delete and reinstall and keyring deprication was tricky). I had been using Mailspring for email but each update brought more bugs, so I switched back to T-bird. So far I have done ONLY the T-bird install using the software manager that has ver 91.11.0. So T-bird was a FRESH install for me.

[@pgale]

I have a question please its driving me crazy I have an email address from a service provider which I use Thunderbird to open read send etc: which is all I want thunderbird for nothing else. The problem is if I'm in Gmail and want to save an email it saves it as thunderbird format, plus if I want to respond to a link I might get in a Gmail email when I click respond it opens in the Thunderbird program. It's like Thunderbird is the default program. How the hell do I stop it, please.

[@georgeindestructible]

It never mattered what it looked like because it was so god darn good especially by doing so many things anyway but it's still looks great now.

[@scowell]

For 20 years now I've kept one monitor in portrait and one in landscape... the email client goes in the portrait one, for obvious reasons... and I code in landscape, for I don't know why (comments I guess).

[@WorksOnMyComputer]

Its commercial, but PostBox is worth a look too. Its based off an older code fork of Thunderbird and is developed by some ex Mozilla engineers. Licensing is very reasonable.

[@Martin.Krischik]

I have used PostBox in the past but stopped after version 5. Sadly PostBox being a fork ist just as unusable on retina displays. Until version 5 you could use some configuration file magic to up the GUI font sizes but from version 6 onwards that wasn't possible any more.

[@Qyngali]

Get rid of the folder system and add tags so you can have mails in several listings, Opera Mail (and now Vivaldi) had that what, 20 years ago? Yes, google didn't invent it lol.

[@Qyngali]

And I hope they've fixed the mail storage corruption that plagued it back in the day. Oh and that import from list looks really anemic!

[@paulg3336]

Thunderbird has had tags forever

[@ericdanielski4802]

Nice overview.

[@wraynephew6838]

It still looks horrible! outdated and worse I think the idea of tabular emails is ridiculous and are counter productive. An email client should not be treated like a web browser. Evolution, Mail Spring and even Geary look and behave much better

[@meneerjansen00]

And? Does it work again with Google Agenda and Google Address Book? The breakage of those two drove me to using Gmail in my browser, which I hate.

[@toddpark2893]

Thank you. I have switched from Windows to Linux. On my Windows machine I have an old email account using outlook. Does anyone know the best way to import the.pst outlook files from my old Windows machine to Thunderbird on my new Linux machine? 🙂

[@j4nch]

Well, for me it's still looks like a (great) 2000ish app. No transparency, no accent color, no shadows, monochrome, shortcut letter(alt+___) always visible(not only when pressing alt), tabs look oldschool, too much informations when you don't need it

[@fivish]

Thunderbird 102.2.0 was fine but the recent 102.2.1 is a failure. No folder pane! I have used Thunderbird for several years since I retired as a Senior Systems Analyst. I dont understand how some think it looks old as its a take on windows explorer for emails. They have done an excellent job only spoiled by releases that fail. Don't they test them?

[@helali_s]

Nothing beats KMail in my experience. S/MIME? Yup. PGP? Yup. Literally _anything_? Probably, Yup.

[@betasetupper6103]

Which version you are using? Because the one I have and is displayed on their website isn't looking like yours. Your is looking really great... Mine? on WIndows 11 ? No.... Please share with me this magic you have done...

[@Zagoorland]

Actually it's still looks outdated AF

[@sudipchatterjee]

Thanks for that vertical view trick! 🙌

[@DJFace147]

Agreed!

[@Nors2Ka]

Fix your mic pop. Anyways, I'd wish it stayed being from 2003 forever, because at least then, software used to run just all that tiny bit better than garbage from these days.

[@augusto3045]

I Use eMclient much more better.

[@jackt6112]

Problem: When using the consolidated unified view, the spam shows displays in the inbox even though it is in the spam sub folder. They are marked as spam, yes, but whole point of filtering spam is to have them NOT be mixed in with your good emails.

[@MatthewN8OHU]

Am I the only person that absolutely loathes "modern" UI design? To me, it looks hideous. I prefer function over looks, whether I'm on Windows or Linux.

[@johncommon4294]

This client I also favour and am a long time user. Can anyone tell me what is going on? I send an email with a photo attachment say 2,3Mb and it informs me that it is 23Mb and if I wish to continue? Is it Thunderbird multiplying the size I send or the gmail? What can I do?

[@NoFailer]

I switched to Evolution because I can install an addon for receiving Microsoft exchange emails via apt for free. I have to pay/sub for the same functionality in Thunderbird....

[@jordondavidson3405]

For some reason Pop!_OS flatpack (available from pop shop) is still at 91.12.0 😡

[@1DjFuzzion1]

Arch is your friend btw

[@Linuxdirk]

So it's almost usable now? Basing on this video it's still outplayed by even the simplest modern mail clients. Even the RoundCube web-application for mail access looks and works better.

[@toddpark2893]

I am using Thunderbird v 102 in Debian stable. I really like it. Except that the font is tiny in the message pane. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[@irbaboon1979]

I’ll stay with outlook (desktop client, not the web shite); tried TB several times over the years but it just feels archaic every time I try it…. Plug-ins and themes are not my cup of tea.

[@fcaldeirasousa]

At a time when the cloud predominates, I don't understand why there isn't the possibility of natively synchronizing contacts, calendar and tasks with the most popular services, like outlook, gmail and others! can anyone use a mail tool without contacts or calendar?

[@alexk6745]

Did not find it useful. I understand UI might be important but nothing said about functionality. how to fight with a spam. What it can do with spam. Without making much help it is nothing. I need the mail client not just for sending email. For sending emails any web client is ok. But efficiently fight with spam noone can do.

[@jaidCodes]

I use Thunderbird every day and I hate it. I don't understand why there are no table customization settings. I don't want to see junk status and favorite status columns in my email tables and want new emails to be at top instead of bottom. It can't be locked globally, so I have to redo this customization for all of my 160 mail folders.

[@taraskywalker453]

This is so reassuring - I had worried Thunderbird’s UI had stagnated.

[@Tall_Order]

I was more worried they ended development. I remember hearing that once. So I switched away from it. But I guess that was just a rumor.

[@davidlee50]

I got locked out becaause my passwords were erased, thunderbird and yahoo,frontier. I called them today and they said they will fge to me on monday. I have been without an email for almost a week. This idea that when it goes down it takes the email me a password number is down and not working. where is the logic?

[@code8986]

Thank you for the overview of Thunderbird. One of the (new?) features that you mentioned that I would like to use is the Outlook data important feature, but from what I could see of the import dialog box in the video, there is no support for Outlook (*.pst/*.ost) files. Were you able to try that feature yourself or see if it has actually been implemented?

[@toddpark2893]

I had the same issue

[@keikohj]

ダメダ。win10で、エラーが出て、様々な方法と、情報収集をしたが、すべてボツになった。一番使いやすいアプリだと思っていたが。

[@arkvsi8142]

I'm a cultists, I'm a priest of the GREAT Thunderbird God

[@siddharthchakravarty2099]

I wonder why people are so much concerned about things looking old fashioned? Like would someone prefer to use services just because they look latest and modern?

[@arielalejandro6900]

Yes, indeed, thunderbird is really great, also another point worth mentioning is that handles rss better than any other rss client, so you basically can have everything you need for your office workflow almost right there.

[@watsoft70]

What is it that that Thunderbird does better with rss than other clients? I'm only asking because I've never had issue in any that support it.

[@arielalejandro6900]

@@watsoft70 you can easily group feeds built in browser that you can add ublock or any other addon you want, plus the email feat, basically I handle, emails, news, browser, calendar, youtube subcriptions, all in one program. and cant save and export all settings and data anywhere. But, that's just an opinion. maybe I'm wrong.

[@watsoft70]

@@arielalejandro6900 Perhaps you're right, I don't know, but thank you for the information. To be honest I no longer use rss feeds as I struggle to keep up with my emails, lol. I've never found an email client lacking in this department, for my needs. I tend to use an email client as just that, I'm not a fan of the bundled extra functionality, preferring web-apps for things such as my calendar, but I understand this works better for personal rather than corporate users. Thanks again for the reply.

[@garrycross]

It's like a good dress, tight where it needs to be tight, and loose where it needs to be loose. All the other email clients with so called good looks are the opposite. Empty space around buttons etc. And not enough space for you to read emails. Everything cut short, and emails where you also need to scroll sideways. Each to their own, but emailing needs to be practical.

[@banija8147]

but thunderbird still always not responding when open 'archive email' with 20.000+ email messages