Tiff Needell evo track battle: Nissan GT-R vs Porsche 911 Carrera S

[@MarkCalica]

A lot of pro drivers have problems drifting the R35, Tiff?... easy peasy...

[@matthewsykes4814]

His control is just......wow. Always been a fan of him since he can play with a hyper car like a toy or go seriously quick with barely a thought. Plus his commentary is so informative......

[@abaracskai]

Remember kids, if you can drive a manual rear wheel drive Porsche, then you can drive anything.

[@koukiR32]

That's laughable. You could do that with any American Muscle Mustang, Camaro, Aussy's Menaro (Now defucted Pontiac GTO) or Nissan 350/370Z manual RWD.. Toyota's 86GT(Scion FRS/Subaru BRZ) M3's, Honda S2000.....the list goes on...... to learn much better car control. RR/RWD there's a reason why there's not more car like it. It's because of the poor weight balance and only Pee Brand loyalist would think it's better....in their own mind.

[@XrapXx]

***** yeah, but for the money you spend on a 911 turbo s you can get 2 GTR's and a BRZ.. Or you can get a gtr, modify it and kick every Porsche's ass, and still have a comfortable 4 seater everyday car :P

[@koukiR32]

***** Now now, kids.... Come on obviously Michael Graff is just wanted to justify his love of VW Beetle that catches fires even in stock trim (991 GT3) LOL..... so I doubt a stock GTR would do that. Oh did I forget to mentioned that the Toyota TS040 Hybrid beating the Porsche 919 Hybrid in a 6hrs endurance race not one time but both Silverstone and Spa? And the reason of that is because the Porsche broke down? Hmmm.. LOL

[@abaracskai]

GT-R's are fast and can be very reliable, I have driven one and holy hell, but all and all the car requires no talent and therefore is not a driver's car, I have a built Evo X and I can tell you with my somewhat talent paws can tear up most GT-R's. It's not about the car, its about the driver.

[@koukiR32]

alex baracskai Well said Alex

[@ir3a11ydontn0]

i understood that it was faster with the T/C off. check 5:52 on the video. but this was the 2008 version of the car. they changed much in the 2012 systems, so on reflection, with this car, you are probably right. thanks

[@oppanheimer]

I don't care if the Nissan is faster, I'll have the Porsche!

[@skyforce2132]

oppenheimer yea same

[@georgevatsos]

It’s not faster......it’s the fact that the Carrera S is not 4wd.....They should use a Carrera 4S

[@gaycha6589]

And day

[@CarsUncovered]

They were trying to compare cars of the same price. The Turbo S is around $65,000 more than the Nissan GT-R. With that price difference you could get an AMS package added that would boost performance to near Bugatti figures.

[@Flabernat]

Dear Evo... More Tiff please! :)

[@FreeSpeechEmpire]

Why would you leave the traction control off on the GTR? It's known for its amazing cornering abilities because of it's traction control.

[@TheLastMag]

Comparison makes NO sense... At least give the 911 a Pdk..! Although the gt3 would actually be a fair fight.

[@Portabledexter]

Not on price it isn't lol!

[@TheLastMag]

HAHA you're right, the tested Nissan's MSRP is $112,000 the Carrera S MSRP is 98K, also puts the Porsche at a $14,000 disadvantage.

[@missinglink9973]

Thelastmag.....the nissan you can take ur kids to soccer practice in. The GT3 is a race car for the street for multi millionaires. There is nothing fair at all about that comparison.

[@alexistheghostman]

Or at least with an awd Porsche C4S with PDK...and.. yes, it can carry kids in the back seats. The GTR is an AWD car also, so I agree the comparison is definitely not equal.

[@Spect8er1]

You have to consider most racing drivers don't like traction control and feel like they can do better without it. Someone should test the GTR like that

[@JayRicci7891]

You have to love Tiffs enthusiasm for driving after all these years. Brilliant.

[@TheFalcoln97]

Forgot to mention, the Nissan GT-R 2012 from: 0-60mph at an incredibly 2.8sec! And the GT-R weighs over 300kg more than the Porsche! Also it is cheaper, better fuel economy and even more environment-friendly. And, such a beautiful high advanced machine.

[@Flabernat]

Haha, 1:14, one-hand drifting, LCD screen indicating 95mph! That's why we love Tiff!! :)

[@JeanAlesi90]

Thats just as good a signing as Kun Augero was for City. Tiff Needell and Chris Harris...wow what a combo. Put Tiff in the F12 Berlinetta ASAP please.

[@jonaslebelge]

The nissan GTR drifting sounds like a Tie fighter from Star Wars passing by ^^

[@sultanabran1]

because of tiff's driving ability, with the traction off will bring him to the limit of the car and tyres. where for normal drivers, traction control will bring you closer to the limit than you would without it. in fact, a normal driver would crash before getting close to the limit of the car.

[@ndenkha]

Tiff Needle you are awesome man! Please let your next comparison be between the GTR Nismo and the 911 Turbo S. Can't wait to see those two monsters go head to head.

[@E92TilInfinity]

agreed

[@groupCAP]

The nismo is more track focused the turbo s is a very capable grand tourer. Comparing it to the gt2 is better.

[@chicken4967]

+groupCAP although i would bet on the 911 turbo s

[@HoldenFordFan]

The GTR actually has good racing heritage as well, all the way back to the 70's with the first GTR in fact. Your point? In any case both are great cars.

[@TheAslakVind]

Tiff is soo underrated, extremely talented at what he does! Thank you Sir!

[@TheMJN75]

Man....he's torturing those GTR tires like the Spanish Inquisition!!

[@Techie-B]

Tiff Needell is such an amazing driver, by far my favourite car reviewer. Bloody legend! Considering the amount of power, torque and lack of AWD on a damp track, that Porsche did really well to finish only 2secs from the GTR"s time. I would take the Porsche, in black please!

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

That makes Nissan all the more impressive, humble manufacturer quietly selling better value for money cars (which ultimately speak for themselves) Personally I love my Nissan 370Z and would love to own a Porsche Cayman R and 991 Carrera S manual.

[@Carwitter]

Would this not have been a tad fairer with a Carerra 4 S?

[@chrisanderson2204]

No, GTR competes with 911 Turbo non S model

[@pacovl46]

Why would it void the warranty of the car when you turn off the traction control??? They were made to be turned on and off!

[@Astralwurksdk]

Crazy that this isn't even the Turbo 911 and it was still only 3 seconds slower. A 911 Turbo or GT3 would spank that GTR

[@virakthong8022]

Just about any supercar it is always 2 or 3 seconds slower than gt-r lol

[@gallieon8718]

Astralwurksdk Three seconds is a lot of time to make up for. One can't simply assume that another version of the same car could make it up so easily. This isn't a drag race after all.

[@missinglink9973]

astralwa....yah they are also hugely more expensive!!! Nothing beats Godzilla in its price range. Nothing!!!

[@xXManhattanProjectXx]

thats good, that way nissan makes a better car and vice versa this constant battle keeps us car nuts happy by giving us even more brilliant cars to gawk at

[@mikhailman]

i fucking love reading these arguments. GTR fanboy (no driver's license): "LOOK GTR beats this crappy beatle! How awesome is this?? Fuck porsche!" a turbo'd GTR vs a NA porche.... then comes a 911 turbo S, beats the GTR.. GTR fanboy (no driver's license): "BUT that is not fair! GTR is cheaper, that is why its better!" No shit its gonna be cheaper! its a fucking nissan! Seems to me its only fair for these kids when porsche is in disadvantage due to the inferior model.

[@AbleToCum1]

***** what about Nissan's best vs Porsche's best? Can't even compare LOL nice try. NISMO is independent company that mods and upgrades cars so ur GTR NISMO is comparing to Switzer Porsche. Oh my... no comparison XD

[@DerangedSloth555]

They are ruining the actual GTR fanbase. Though, they are pretty comparable to the Vette fanboys.

[@AbleToCum1]

***** are you comparing shares to cars? why?

[@AbleToCum1]

***** LOL it'a not emotional its facts XD it's called science, physics maybe you heard of em' I can see you are the emotional one who's making that weird ass comment... "Pheeeeeeew right over your head (face)" even gived a fuck to make a sounding verb and a face XD. I think you are confused.

[@AbleToCum1]

***** well... some car guys and race drivers loves lab times and how fast it can go. some car guys like how it's easy to tune and customize. but most of us want a reliable cars. Porsche does almost everything. It can be a track car, race car, Sunday car, shopping car, show off car, and mos importantly it's the most reliable sports/super car out there.

[@aNormalGuy6969]

I wonder how Keiichi Tsuchiya gonna do with the R35 and the Porsche?

[@skullmanUK]

Tiff still got the drift skills

[@blademanx]

Respect Tiff's opinion over anything from Top Gear just saying!

[@TheMoodyedge]

hell of a driver....passenger ride please

[@eludethis]

Man the tire screeching on the GTR really does sound like Godzilla. Weird.

[@supbrotv]

Porsche looks pretty much like it did back in the 60s but it still looks way better than the GTR!

[@AbleToCum1]

***** so in ur view, GTR will looks like stretched out cube with it's top tail copped off XD

[@gonesecondzin]

WhatUwant? Thats actually in "your" view, clearly he was talking about the porsche...

[@AbleToCum1]

gone2secondzin123 U don't say! he sees Porsche as a beetle that means Porsche has to be shorter, taller and narrower and that means If he saw GTR it'll look like a cube with top tail chopped off lol. r u offended that I made a comparison with cube and gtr?

[@yanzodadon]

he looks like he has so much fun when he drives. braking traction in a gtr man tiff is a boss

[@WhiteLion2013]

Gofgilla is awesome as always and has as breakfast some porches audis and especially ferraries !! But don't you get upset you guys from this comment cause it's very true !!

[@CJAEY]

I don't know about anyone else, as much as I love the R35 GTR, the 911 in this video looked fun to drive... He was getting sideways with no issues. People buy sports cars to have fun with them. And if someone finds the GTR to be more fun than a 911, then so be it. Love both cars..

[@PampyO]

Great Japanese car. :-)

[@skyforce2132]

PampyO it’s hideous though

[@optimumfilms]

Hey Tiff, on the track the Porsche is a "more rewarding drive" until you realize you lost to the GT-R.

[@jponz85]

As much as I am a gtr fan, let's get a real pro driver to see real laptimes... where's the stig when you need him

[@MoiLeRoi1]

how do you know that the stig is not a retired racing driver as well??????

[@jponz85]

MoiLeRoi1 no one ever said the stig was retired... that's why I know lmao

[@clu4u]

Tiff raced Formula 1 and had numerous rides at Le Mans. And his racing resume is much better than the Stig's. The Stig now is on 5th Gear with Tiff, his last name is Collins. Shaddup about the Stig already...

[@clu4u]

Ben Collins*

[@S3mj0n]

what? You know who Tiff is right?

[@umaxen01]

"Warm the tires up" ? He should have said, "Get rid of the tires"...

[@themindofsorin9998]

The takeaway from this video is that a twin turbo-charged Nissan is barely faster 'round the track than a non-turbo-charged Porsche with an old school manual gearbox which shifts slower [but is more fun]. Therefore I can't help but laugh at the Nissan fan-boys saying "Nissan bedst." Let's see your overweight overhyped oversized boxcar beat the 911 Turbo S PDK. ;)

[@audioamateur]

Almost 3 seconds definitely isnt 'barely' faster on the track... it's a big difference. Had it been a longer track with more straights the Porsche would have been utterly slaughtered

[@themindofsorin9998]

Considering it's twin-turbo charged and the Porsche isn't... Yeah, I'd say that's barely faster. And you also can't leave out the fact that the Porsche is manual [slower old-school shifting gearbox] and the GT-R is paddle-shift. And had it been a longer track with more straights what would that have proven; that a twin-turbo car beats a non-turbo with the same number of cylinders? What would that be called "The DUH Challenge?" Let's see it "utterly slaughter" a 911 Turbo S PDK [ON ANY TRACK, EVEN DRAG].

[@audioamateur]

The Mind of Sorin It's a supercar killer and absolutely unmatched at its price point

[@themindofsorin9998]

Stephen R "supercar killer"? The only thing it has is off-the-line acceleration, and that's only if you're standing still, and you somehow manage to convince your opponent in a real car to wait for you to put it on launch-control. It doesn't have very much left in it at speeds over 100 MPH. It also oversteers too much, and it's just too big and heavy, and its brakes are unimpressive too. It's also ugly and boxy; looks like a sedan not a supercar which it wants to pretend to be. The GT-R is like the fat ugly girl on the catwalk -- no one wants to see that. If Nissan wanted to make a fast car they should have made it look like one -- not this thing.

[@Stormvue]

Nice to see the GTR in it's natural habitat and not at a drag strip.

[@Hwoarang121]

Without any doubts I would choose Nissan GTR.

[@mazdaman1980]

Why, I doubt you have driven either, if you had you would realise that whilst the GTR is faster, the Porsche is far more fun to drive in every way!

[@Hwoarang121]

mazdaman1980 Porsche may be more fun to you, but for me, Nissan GTR wins and this is MY opinion. I love Japanese cars and Nissan GTR is one of the best cars overall.

[@Hwoarang121]

mazdaman1980 It may be just a hollow, empty option, but it is my option and for me, my option is the best. Still, GTR wins.

[@mazdaman1980]

Why does it win?

[@Hwoarang121]

mazdaman1980 Because for me, Nissan GTR is a fantastic looking car, it is produced by Japanese people who are true artists. Also, GTR is awesome in anime/manga (I love anime/manga), NISMO company is fantastic, GTR looks better in drifting than 911 in my opinion. I choose Nissan GTR because it is my dream car, it looks awesome in Tokyo at night. I love the interior of this car and I love the tail lights. For me, 911 is overrated and GTR is not. Some people can say - hey it's Porsche and Nissan is just Nissan, but for me GTR is sweet, sexy and anime-looking car if you know what I mean.

[@roflcopter645]

If anything, the R32 was a real game changer, hence the name Godzilla.

[@jsaca5519]

Had it been a 991 gt3, Bye bye ricer Nissan(:

[@andrewstormes7595]

Also bye bye additional 20k

[@mainlymusicman]

andrew stormes the new 2015 gtr is more expensive than the gt3 and its performance numbers are no better than the previous gtr.

[@carbug2002]

mainlymusicman but you get more features like led headlights, better ride quality, and well its still GODZILLA

[@f0gGenx]

I think it would've been a closer match if the carrera s had the pdk gearbox.

[@Gamez4eveR]

Canniballistix Much closer. Tiff appeared to struggle to combine control and gear shifting in the 911. The PDK isn't there just for tech. It's there to make the car comfortable and easy to drive going *all out*.

[@KaneDesigns]

tiff drifting a GTR like a rear wheel drive car... so BOSS :P

[@jaysteven8135]

The Nissan is ugly

[@robertfoster3384]

Monsters aren't supposed to be pretty. GODZILLA!!!!!

[@rileycup7156]

+Robert Foster you have common sense bro💯👹👺

[@vincefernandez9459]

Jee Tea Aaahr!!! YYYOSH!!!

[@Brick1Squad]

Who Said You Cant Drift GT-R's?

[@EzMDr]

Jeremy, Are you watching this? Thats how you drive a Nissan GT-R

[@ProgressingStepxStep]

As much as I love the Nissan GT-R, I have to say that when the new Porsche 911 Turbo S comes out Nissan is going to have a serious problem

[@fu1go]

I'm still waiting for a Jason Plato review for evo

[@dwaxv8]

Nissan made an amazing car that packs a punch but my heart is still with Porsche....

[@golferchin76]

I love my gtr and adore the 911s' but hey man I also compete in open class circuit racing, so, I understand that in a 1:20 circuit it feels really really slow to drive 2.8 seconds slower. Of course the new Turbo S will do similar or better than the gtr, but this type of reviews are really just for entertainment.

[@geforce5591]

No, The GT-R series is a classic to any true car enthusiast.

[@stevendasiilva]

i don't have to watch this to know who wins, and it wasn't really a fair battle. the Nissan GT-R was built to beat the Porsche 911 Turbo.

[@Supcharged]

thank you for letting me know a car with 550hp, double clutch and AWD is faster than a car with 400hp,manual and RWD......

[@HybridTheorykid1]

I was expecting the porsche to be more then 3 sec's slower, but... HATS off to tiff.. His driving is top notch. Love how he takes the apexi's. Good stuff mate.

[@SuperStig1992]

No matter where, Top Gear, Fifth Gear....he will always be my favorite presenter!

[@tattude1974]

2013 GTR has a better, stronger transmission, more HP (545), and better suspension then in previous model years so even when the new Porsche Turbo comes out it'll still lose on the track and road. Unfortunately too but even knowing this, I'd still buy the Porsche Turbo ;)

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

I can understand that, for me it's the 911, quality and refinement, but the GTR looks stunning when I see them in car parks for example, especially in black. Enjoy!

[@SuperRcbuilder]

that is what we expected from GTR

[@shannonrose2590]

WHY NOT 4S ???

[@PischkePerformance]

Even though the GTR won, you could just tell how involved Tiff was when he was driving the 911. Both are incredible but I would take the drivers car even if it is slower :)

[@pacovl46]

You can do that in the Nissan as far as I know!

[@carlob517]

Love both cars but for me I prefer the new Kid in Town the Nissan GTR it has far more potential , it's easier to get it to its limits and safer at the same time

[@doctordoolittle2800]

Welcome aboard, Tiff. Glad to see you working with the Evo team.

[@theroddy]

Tiff is a driving god. I've sat next to him as he drifted me around Silverstone. Genius.

[@johnathancommodore9642]

stop hating the gtr it is a pure legend super car from the early times in racing.today the gtr is another machine to talk about

[@kisseryeap]

I really want to learn to drive like you Tiff...

[@MAXXFIGO]

i love how he handle that GTR...i wish i could had his skills!!!he's not Stig,but definetely his skills are more than the ordinary average driver ...

[@DennisBerkhout1]

@EVOTV Is this a one-time-only? :( I hope there are more reviews coming up by Tiff for EVO.

[@Ben.k480]

That was a close win for the gtr

[@BUCKSK1]

Great clip. Love Tiff- no helmet, no music. total oversteer- full control

[@omarlondon]

tiff one of the few presenters who can actually drive!

[@electrifyinglightningbolt]

I don't care what anyone says as I like both cars!

[@ThomasWilliams89]

well Tiff was a professional racing driver.

[@FEGTTTSDH]

1:16 drift at close 100 mph FUCK!!! most faster drift than fast and the furious tokyo drift

[@eugew23]

Tiff... still as quirky as ever.

[@hendrahendra]

gees tiff i thought you cant drift a gtr. but this...wow!!!!

[@TheOccTher]

I recall one day a fellow behind a food counter remarked how he'd dreamt of driving a car like my BMW convertible. It was then that I realized how fortunate some of us are to experience the thrill of driving amazing machines. In the end it's, not the car, but the locations and the experiences you achieve by driving them.

[@sugepoola]

the 4 wheel drift in the gtr is fking awesome!!!!!

[@2345godfather]

only tiff could do a powerslide in a gtr lmfao

[@Masko0894]

O_o Crazy that a v6 could pump so many ponies.. Thanks bro

[@KDCW3534A]

Not only is Tiff an amazing driver but he's great at doing these tests.

[@TheFalcoln97]

0-60mph under 3sec! (0-100km/h).

[@brettlenoble7534]

991 Turbo hasn't been released. Although, I think the 991 C4S has been. The 4 wheel drive would've been a closer contest, and so would've PDK over a stock 7 speed manual that he was using in the Porsche.

[@JETZcorp]

WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?! I subscribed to Evo some time ago, and this wasn't in my subscription box. I only found it just now after watching the new Boxster review.

[@Adeysworld]

There is no 2012 Porsche Turbo available yet...

[@GmMq2f4.q8AtH7ue]

GT-R=low cost ,high spec 911=high cost ,low spec

[@Toxxic88]

Porsche = Amazing racing legacy and accolades Nissan still has a great racing history, but nowhere near Porsche. Both cars are fantastic

[@bradleyblackster]

yes but the turbo is much heavier because it will most likely remain awd, so it could be more interesting than you think, also its a better comparison because the GT-R was benchmarked against the turbo and the 2013 model in this vid was updated specfically to go up against the 991 turbo

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Because it says so in the GT-R manual! Not sure if they have changed it now or not.

[@loko1701]

I hope to see a lot of GTR's at Japfest in June. Cant wait

[@andyj288]

Unfortunately got rid of the 911 early this year, now missing it so will buy another next year probably

[@wowowiiwaa1337]

Now that was a great battle! good to see Tiff in action. Great to see the nissan driven with the controls off and struggling against oversteer, don't get that from video presenters often if ever.

[@samshji]

I love both cars but if i had the chance to buy which one i'd go for the GTR all the way! xD

[@earthwormjah]

the GT-R isn't meant to appeal to the aesthetic sensibilities of meatheads. The GT-R is mean to impress people who know about cars, and to go fast. Very, very fast.

[@ghepardogts]

As much as a Porsche fan I am, there is a good reason the GT-R is nicknamed the 'Godzilla' and it is absolutely amazing to see Tiff venture beyond the limits of its sci-fi AWD and drift it all over the place! I always had my doubts that Tsuchiya may have had a word from Nissan before his claim that the GT-R was "un-driftable" after his first R35 review for best motoring. Either that or Tiff is a superior drifter! Have you ever seen a stock R35 drifting like that on youtube? I certainly haven't.

[@RedSandPalm]

YESSSS!!!!! TIFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!! is plato busy or can they team up again to make videos? great combo

[@MrMillenium67]

Tifff is a very close second to Chris in giving the best review of a car. Tiff used to be on Top Gear way back when it was worth watching. I'd go for the Nissan myself it just looks amazing, such great road presence.