Tillotson 212 Engine Stage 2 Install and Dyno | Tutorial

[@stanlucas665]

What was the point of oiling the rod bearings and installing the connecting rod on the crankshaft only to remove it so it can be installed on the piston?

[@GoPowerSports]

Good question. We do this to ensure that the bearings are properly seated. We see at the shop that some customers skip this step and snap off their rod bolts or have a connecting rod failure. Since there parts aren't cheap and there's no warranty, we suggest this process. Thanks!

[@gregoryb2999]

@@GoPowerSports finally someone who knows what they're doing. I like watching this stuff because always things are changing and different. All pretty much same but I keep up with everything. I do this stuff to pass time lol. God I have some 50s and 60s briggs I grew up with.

[@fatbuddycat]

You have to seat the bearing with oil between the rod and crank no matter what to avoid scoring on initial start, it takes about 10 minutes to properly seat and check your clearance which will ensure the best dependability you can achieve with your new parts over the lifetime of the motor. I might oil my next one THREE times!!

[@tizthelocsmith4758]

He wanted to make sure it was well lubricated. You would be suprised. You have no idea how long that motor has been sitting in the warehouse with absolutely no movement whatsoever. That motor could very well seize up! So, again....he's taking extra precautions just in case! I hope this helps!

[@Fatbalddude1]

I have a sneaking suspicion that he meant to PlastiGuage it. Whoops,

[@sirjager9172]

I would love to see back to back runs with the different cams on the stage 2 showing the different in how they make power at peak and down low for like the mod 2, the bp2, the hot 265, and so on. Maybe do like a graph over of all them

[@caluzzucarrazzi5549]

I can't believe this comment doesn't have more likes, this would be an incredibly informative video and aid alot of people in choosing the right cam for their application, no more needing to take this guys word or that guys word for it.

[@Mini.Moto.Guy806]

What torque wrench are y’all using ?

[@benrollins7348]

On the pull start Tillotson 212E engine does the stock ignition coil have a rev limiter? If so what RPM

[@stevetanner1987]

@gopowersports does this work on 196 clone... If so what are the differences of the engine

[@Deucealive75]

Absolutely but you wouldn't use the rod they used here. You would use a 6269, 6270, or 6271 ARC rod. The carb, cam, and flywheel will work on a 196. And learn how to get more compression. You can get compression that they can only dream of with their Tillotson hemi head.

[@trevinskiking2165]

You Should put some Moly lifter grease on those lifter follower faces & Cam lobes say from Isky.,.oils not good enough: you need an extreme pressure Moly based lubricant at the least, same on the splash & dip rod bearing. There are engine builders & parts replacers.T

[@Deucealive75]

"Extreme pressure" lol.

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@Deucealive75 That's what it's called: Easy to laugh with limited knowledge

[@trevinskiking2165]

Use your hands, no Powertools needed unless you have arthritis ? Mannn

[@Ligma_Balzach]

Am I going blind or is the video out of focus a lot?

[@nosebeer54]

It was just uploaded could be some late rendering issues

[@patrickharmon2665]

Ive watched this video 60 times to prepare myself for this project and it was very simple and straightforward! All the parts were exact and everything torqued properly! Turned my tilly into a monster!

[@GoPowerSports]

Great job!

[@Gone_rn]

How is this simple? If you have to follow every one of those intricate details how would anybody ever complete this with no mistakes

[@waltwalt9632]

@@Gone_rn because he doesn’t have to explain things lol he knows how to do it an can just get it done

[@marthamryglod291]

@@Gone_rn my father did one with me when I was twelve and I could do them myself after the first time. It's not complicated, just follow the steps.

[@jeroldlafferty54]

@@waltwalt9632 I use to get the same questions when I was in high school assembling small blk Chevy v8. The answer, other human beings do it too.Take Your Time, Attention To Detail and Under Super Clean Conditions. It ran like a stripped ass ape and was very dependable. It was in the car 3yrs a lot of runs at drag strip. It was in car until I built something even badder.I asked a lot questions from people that knew. No one told me I couldn't do that. Roll your sleeves up, Attention to detail, never rush yourself.When that baby comes alive your neighbors might not like it LOL but can say I GOT THIS!

[@Tampaboys]

Awesome work guys that’s a sweet engine build I need to get my hands on one of these engines look like they pack a punch be great for all these races I’m going to

[@GoPowerSports]

Right on! This is our go-to engine out here.

[@Tampaboys]

@@GoPowerSports heck at it’s a good one I need one to review on my channel just don’t have the funds for one yet but soon hopefully

[@megoingfast]

32:14 is my take away (crankshaft stop). Thanks!

[@MrJeremys2388]

Been out of stock for a year tho. Big problem, keep your items in stock!

[@stanlucas665]

Hey Taylor, how about a making video on custom length pushrods? Measuring, cutting and assembling.

[@groskreutzzdsinn17]

Thank you go powersports! For showing me all the cool sh*t my daddy never did! Lmaooo 🎉🎉😂

[@heedless.21]

1:40 if I have stage 1, and want to replace the air filter, can I take out the whole evaporator system and be fine

[@GoPowerSports]

That black box may be discarded and your engine will run fine.

[@tonyd7164]

Awesome video. the proof is in the results on the dyno. 15 HP (50% increase) is impressive for bolt on parts.

[@repnatl]

Wouldn't it be closer to 101% increase? I know the predator 212 was 6.5hp and this makes 15hp. I may be wrong.

[@tonyd7164]

@@repnatl your probably right. Math is hard. ; )

[@repnatl]

@@tonyd7164 you must have used used common core that explains everything 😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenbouley6448]

If you leave the rockers loose take the spark plug out and put some thin rope inside the cylinder you can torque that flywheel bolt to 65 ft lb if you don't have an adapter and then adjust your valves

[@Canadian_Craftsman]

THANK YOU!! For this you guys HIT all the important points that are WAY overlooked by the youtubers build it RIGHT!!(=

[@kahlilrios3906]

how many business card did you use on the coil ?

[@GoPowerSports]

3. But all cards have different thicknesses

[@Jb_outdooradventures]

??? Would valvoline vr1 high zinc 10w30 race oil be a good alternative to 4t oil ??? Or if 4t oil is not an option what is a solid alternative oil???

[@TyranisCustoms]

Can't wait to get my claws on a Tillotson 😍🦖

[@jacobsebastien3910]

You Won't Regret it' I luv mine' even Stock it has great power/Torque an even sounds mean Stock'

[@leebrown6153]

Are you still looking for an engine to buy

[@tizthelocsmith4758]

Aww man.....You and me both!!!! Fully worked out!!!!

[@jwalkerftw]

Can you have a stage 2 setup and still keep the electric start?

[@GoPowerSports]

You can go up to the Stage 1.5. www.gopowersports.com/stage-1-5-tillotson-performance-kit/

[@patrickharris2807]

I use ethanol free premium for my tilitson stage 1. What do you guys recommend?

[@GoPowerSports]

We too use Ethanol Free Gas on all our engines. Unless they are drag minibikes, then we use methanol.

[@patrickharris2807]

@GoPowerSports sweet thanks for the reply

[@erasmozavala643]

What are those pink tubes for or were do they connected ?

[@GoPowerSports]

Uh oh, you weren't supposed to see those. Jk, those are vent tubes for the carburetor.

[@mattclark254]

To bad you guys are Always OUT OF STOCK on the parts that anybody needs. Never mind the fact that you used to do 2-3 day FedEx Shipping and now you only use usps and everything takes forever to show up ! Well, unless you have a KZbin channel funneling money your way and then I'm sure you get your parts ahead of anybody else!

[@ryukiddin]

Just broke rod bolt, following all directions and well used 1/4 " torque wrench 😩

[@Canadian_Craftsman]

Ughh that's tough.. what was the remedy 😕 how do you get it out??

[@JohnEhlen-xk9rp]

Has anyone put a small turbo on one of these engines with the MOD2 camshaft?

[@kiliandettke795]

Next video with turbocharger from Smart Car

[@GoPowerSports]

Haha, I like the idea!

[@dttach3d]

Now do a predator 212 stage 2 install video!

[@kevinmiller5765]

It’s basically the same thing

[@dttach3d]

@@kevinmiller5765 still would be a good video

[@1ceCold037]

how many lbs are the valve springs on a stock tilly 212?

[@GoPowerSports]

Around 24lbs

[@Alika_808]

Will this kit fit on a predator 212?

[@GoPowerSports]

No but we do have a Stage 2 Kit for your engine, just need to know if it's a hemi or non-hemi Predator 212. www.gopowersports.com/stage-2-212cc-non-hemi-predator-performance-kit-racer/

[@anthonyreddy2834]

You used x2 self tappers for governor but what about oil sensor hole?

[@psalm2forliberty577]

There wasn't a low oil sensor on this Tillotson, unlike the Predator, which is nearly identical. But the best method on a Predator 212 I've seen seemed to be: Simply cut the internal sensor wire & unbolt & remove sensor. No need to mess with the bolt, just leave that part as is.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

There wasn't a low oil sensor on this Tillotson, unlike the Predator, which is nearly identical. But the best method on a Predator 212 I've seen seemed to be: Simply cut the internal sensor wire & unbolt & remove sensor. No need to mess with the bolt, just leave that part as is.

[@OGbobmaster1000]

why oil the crank case cover bolts?

[@GoPowerSports]

For those looking for even more Horse Power Gain out of their Tillotson Engine, pick up our Stage 2 Performance Kit.

[@jacobsebastien3910]

They have good power/Torque right out the box' an even sound mean Stock'.

[@leebrown6153]

My Kit came with the wrong rod 3.303 instead of 308 it wasn't an option to choose the right one I still use it anyway. You got an estimate on power if you use the 26-pound springs that come in the kit with the hot 265 and 1.2 ratio heavy duty rockers

[@caluzzucarrazzi5549]

@@leebrown6153 26lb springs shimmed to the correct spring height, hot 265 and 1.2 billet roller rockers should yield around 17hp

[@travisbelair2652]

This is all tilitson but the video is listed under the predator 212 on GPS. Will stage 2 predator produce similar numbers? I just purchased the stage 2 for my 212 predator. Curious if I’ll net same tq and hp. Thanks

[@patrickterry779]

Are you running gas or methanol?

[@GoPowerSports]

Gas on this one.

[@halobaby48]

Jesus, this is a lot of work for someone thats not good with their hands. hope you sell these engine with the kit installed.

[@903TEXAN]

Will the 1/4 inch self tapping bolts fit in the governor holes and the oil sensor hole on a 224cc predator

[@Gone_rn]

Can you make a list of tools and everything needed to complete this kit?

[@GoPowerSports]

Yes, we can do that!

[@WyFoster]

For a quick clarification, at 14:03 you're looking for 1.180 +/- 0.0005 aka 5 tenths or 5 ten thousands So 1.1795 to 1.1805

[@GoPowerSports]

.0005", Thanks!

[@WyFoster]

@@GoPowerSports If you go on ARCs website it says +/- .0005 The total oil clearance is only .003

[@winterwolf640]

.005 is a lot of clearance. .0005 seems more realistic

[@GoPowerSports]

Thank you for the catch!

[@chuckhuff7123]

Fire it up, fire er up, Fire er up fire er up😮

[@IMKINDOFABIGDEAL13]

Any chance you guys could just get the filter adapters machined out a little more so a standard 3/8 socket could tighten the nuts? I have a small tool kit I keep with the bike and I can’t do anything with the filter adapter. Not even my 1/4 inch drive socket fits in there.

[@williamsantiago7303]

Why wasn't the governor sprocket removed from the crank? Is that crank balanced with that sprocket on it, and is that why he left it on? Can anybody answer these questions?

[@johnszymanski548]

Bs on them numbers

[@GoPowerSports]

Every dyno is different. What does your dyno say?

[@pl747]

Wish they would make a billet flywheel with a steel ring gear for us that want to keep the electric start. In my application electric start is a must.

[@MrThegabbster]

I just ordered a212 With the air cleaner kit and trumpet header for my doodle bug does the air cleaner come with the bigger jet

[@andrewklahn7899]

What kind of compressions been rings does the tilton 212 hemi have in its stock are they 22 lb valve springs or 18 lb valve springs😊

[@truetechcnc7553]

Awesome video. I just put the stage 2 in my Tilly with the same carb. I want to go stage 4 but it was out of stock. What all do I need from here?

[@Nowayjose-z2r]

Not a bad idea to drop a little oil around the cylinder while the piston is at the top and a few drops in the spark plug hole mainly because you don't know how long it has been sitting and even a bit more oil if it's going to sit awhile. Just to be sure, in most of the ones I have done I do break in first just to be sure the motor is good before I void the warranty. Yes, please don't use the $20 torque wrench of any type of work where accuracy is key. I see that a lot with twisted off bolts and stripped bolts from using a cheap torque wrench or a 50 year old wrench that has been dropped 500 times and never recalibrated

[@MrSandeep145]

do i follow this video to installing the non hemi cruiser kit on predator 212cc? or do you have another video if not can you make a video?

[@samsgarage1716]

I can’t wait to get one of those Engines.

[@marvinaccardo7315]

What push rod length is recommended for a stage 2 hemi 212 predator with the 265 hot cam im going to buy the kit but I’m unsure if I will have to buy new pushrods for the bigger cam lift

[@nszabados]

stock length

[@rf571]

I see the kit comes with a new head gasket to help compression. Why was it not installed in the video?

[@lukehill7370]

I am also curious. i just ordered this kit.

[@douggreen7432]

Do you do this on the side? Could someone send you an engine with the kit and you assemble it?

[@carlchuppa4130]

Hi!..Not sure who your guy is that made this video but he is thorough, precise,a great communicator and articulate! Give this young buck a raise AND A COMPANY CAR!!! This video is VERY precise and thorough....period! He does a great job and covers every detail! By far the best build video I have seen and being that I am 62 years old I have seen hundreds. Whoever owns Go Powersports needs to give this man a raise!!! A+++++++!

[@OVERKILL_SS]

thank you for the video, but How are you supposed to break it in? John 3:16

[@MOAONAABE]

the piston is like a fist and the wrist pin is like........a wrist

[@KR3WZ1]

How fast can you get up too on a mini bike with this set up ?

[@irondiver292]

This whole video is quality. Very well done.

[@bakedpotato858]

Someone needs to make and oil pump the can use the governor drive gear and fit where the governor drivin was

[@smallenginepower2267]

Someone has already made that couple years ago. It was a mini oil pump that ran off the crank gear.

[@owqve8004]

someone help me, is this for a normal tillotson 212 or a hemi tillotson 212

[@paulmcbee8846]

Thank you for the info was a huge help tonight. I am in proccess on a couple of the 212ee I bought from you guys with mega moto frames I did my friends engine tonight he will be so excited to see it we just need some carbs is all soon will a tct push one of these ok?

[@nsjosephh956]

Can stock head work for this exact build ?

[@caleblopez5977]

I want to buy a stage 2 racer kit for my tillotson but when I go on your web site it isn’t there

[@GoPowerSports]

We are currently holding off on the Stage 2 Racer Kits for the Tillotson Engines. Looking to modify the valve springs to add to this kit but waiting on springs to show up.

[@mikesbarn1858]

May I suggest that while the crankshaft is out remove the press fit governor gear. ?

[@GoPowerSports]

Right on, we removed the governor gear.

[@mindovermatter3988]

Great explanation, but the one thing I will say is that Honda states and their service manuals not to tighten the coil down on the magnet with feeler gauges

[@GoPowerSports]

We use business cards :)

[@elitetoxicity9446]

Can I use the vent filter kit from stage 1 on stage 2 also ?

[@GoPowerSports]

You sure can!

[@QuattroYT4]

Is that oil there good for billet cam and for fast built motors?well it work for a 212cc predator

[@GoPowerSports]

This oil will work for your application as well

[@joshuarogers5233]

Hell yeah. I'm building a stroker motor

[@Alika_808]

What are all the tools used in this video?

[@stevegot710]

why do we have to do that grinding compound thingy with the flywheel ?

[@GoPowerSports]

It helps the 2 surfaces mate and join better. You don't want them to be off or you'll have a terrible wobble.

[@patrickharmon2665]

Hey guys.......what did u do for the valve cover vaccum tube???

[@GoPowerSports]

Typically let it hang down under the engine since oil will spit out from it.

[@momentsfromlife7566]

Everything's OK, but I think the front fender needs to be raised higher. You have an interesting channel, there is a lot to learn. Hello from Russian.

[@GoPowerSports]

Hello Russia! What's good in your neck of the woods?

[@momentsfromlife7566]

@@GoPowerSports Everything is the same as always in Russia, I think there is no need to explain.

[@bruce5834]

when you want to go fast but you know you're going to ruin your engine. He made it look easy!

[@GoPowerSports]

Zoom zoom

[@christiantaylor6867]

Who makes the tillotson motor???..is it the same as the predator??

[@GoPowerSports]

The Predator and Tillotson manufacturers are different. Tillotson is much higher quality.

[@cachidril]

whay did you change the fly wheel? is it positive? more Hp??

[@smallenginepower2267]

Higher rpms on a cast flywheel can result into explosion failure, so its best to switch to an ARC billet flywheel for safety.

[@tyler7146]

How much to buy that as a crate motor??

[@jonbaker6522]

Do you have to have a governor removed if you got a mikuni carburetor on a 224 or 212

[@GoPowerSports]

Yes. Governor removed with Mikuni Carbs.

[@jonbaker6522]

Cool thank you for that info

[@troycrowder9942]

that was some fast work you made of that fine job

[@cozycastle]

You oil more than Dorothy on the Tin Man

[@GoPowerSports]

Got eem.

[@Dshideler2002]

Can you tell us what the jetting you used in the carb was?

[@GoPowerSports]

130 main jet for the aftermarket 22

[@brighammmer]

Does that motor come with stiffer valve springs? I didn't see you change those... I was hoping to see how you did those... I had a devil of a time with those automotive-style keepers on mine!

[@GoPowerSports]

Yes, around 24lb valve springs.

[@brighammmer]

@@GoPowerSports got any vids showing how you install those on the ducar\tillotsons?

[@HappyHands.]

33:32 LOL you went straight from 65ftlb to 90ftlb in a one indicator click ignoring movement LOL 🤣

[@nitewatch2.027]

Can these motors be ordered with these kits, or no?

[@GoPowerSports]

They most definitely can, give us a call 866.846.5278 or email [e-mail], thanks!

[@elcuachito8815]

I only got ratchets man

[@Nico__1997]

👌👌👌

[@xpirit1650]

First comment!

[@MrThedustin]

so I seen on the stage one kit with the predator 212 you set the valve lash to 0. I've ordered everything to make my predator 212 hemi a stage 2 minus the cam. Rod piston 18# springs. Stage 2 carb. My question is do I set the last back at 0 and when I get my hot cam set it a .003 or go ahead and set it at .003 when I install my new parts?

[@geneharrison3246]

I have a question that someone can answer it for me, I just received a Coleman RT 200 mini bike I want to install the Go Power Sports stage 1 Performance Kit and also remove the governor, do I have to change my valve springs also or can I run it temporarily with the stock valve springs,

[@SuperJimmy971]

Also when I meant keeping up with traffic i meant 35/40mph. But if I need a little extra oomph 50mph would be nice.

[@JoshuaDomoslai]

What’s a good clutch for this stage 2 motor for street cruising? I just ordered a rascal roller, and a stage 2 tillotson engine on your website today. Description says an upgraded clutch is recommended. I’m still new to mini bikes

[@martpalm]

The money spent to get a little horse power out of a 4 stroke engine with stage kits not worth the money, buy a 2 stoke 125cc any off the brand names, now your talking power for the money.

[@slim2peezy281]

How much business cards did u use?

[@GoPowerSports]

We used 3, but it's best to measure with a pair of calipers since all cards are different.

[@Carnyx_1]

I spent a full day adjusting, changing settings, rechecking, removing parts up to and including the engine from the frame, and more only to find out the Autolite sparkplug was defective (or just complete crap). Hopefully, if yout read this it will save you a day of pulling the start cable and some soreness.

[@HappyHands.]

it's funny of all the engine mod videos i have watched this is the ONLY one that mentions the 12 point socket that you absolutely need to do anything with with the new rod.

[@kenhart5259]

Why on earth did you take the rod out from underneath? You are supposed to take the head off. You just did it wrong and yes, there is a right way and a wrong way.

[@deltacx1059]

It says on the site that the stock flywheel is rated to 10k. So can I keep the stock flywheel on so I can still use the charging coils and electric start?

[@GoPowerSports]

If you bought the Electric Start Tillotson, yes, you could keep those on.

[@deltacx1059]

@@GoPowerSports I figured I'd check because I read in a few places that the 10k claim was a miscommunication from the manufacturer and that it was only tested at 8k for 30 seconds.

[@Michaeljohndavx]

@@deltacx1059 loll reason he never replied is bc it was only 8k lmaooo

[@juggalizzle75]

I have a 196cc Coleman ct200ex. I'm wanting to do some upgrades. Namely remove the governor. If I change the flywheel do I lose the headlight? Are there any other options for a higher rpm flywheel that retains the headlight?

[@codyhaynes2669]

Very informative. Thank you

[@GoPowerSports]

Thanks for watching!

[@vinnylc]

the tuning of that intake manifold is leaving a lot on the table. The length of the runners has a direct correlation to the engines power curve. the longer the distance between the carb and valve the earlier the engine will want to make peak torque lower in the RPM range the shorter the runner the higher the rpm HP but less torque. This has to due with the "harmonic frequencies" reverberated back to the valve and forth. The easiest way to tune the proper length for that intake runner is to cut the center section out of the aluminum pipe and put radiator hose in there and run dyno sessions and cut it shorter until you have the optimal runner length. This is how Tunnel Ram was invented by the Ram chargers in the 60's. IMO you should also be running a PCV valve system for engine longevity as well, its an old myth that it robs power and dirtys things up, it actually saves engines by making sure there is always positive case ventilation and dirty air and un burnt fuel from Bowby doesn't settle in the case and mix with oil to eventually throw rods, it also makes sure the rings seal better and reduces windage from the crank. I even use them on my race car, and so does most of the race world (albeit specialized evac systems).

[@jdmyung5628]

Getting blind watching the vid since the camera isn’t focused 🤦🏽‍♂️