Stage 1 Performance Kit on Predator 212 | Tutorial

[@adamm3492]

Biggest thing I got outta here was using the Allen wrench to hold the valve spring great bit of information

[@jorgegonzales878]

I order my predator 212 about 3 years ago with a stage 1 already installed from you guys and I love it it's still running very strong. It's already going to it's 3rd vehicle.

[@GoPowerSports]

Nicely done!!

[@diepunk]

Did it have upgraded flywheel or other internals?

[@jorgegonzales878]

@@diepunk I order mine with original flywheel. I believe that would be the stage 2 or stage 3 not sure. I only do the stage one on my predators.

[@Konnersaki]

@@jorgegonzales878your flywheel has been fine ? I want to get more speed but worried about messing up the motor from too much rpms

[@s0litud3GT]

well if ur scared to upgrade one thing to get more rpms but think ur engine cant handle it, you gotta add and upgrade ur engine so it can stand those high rpms :)@@Konnersaki

[@deathstar562]

the detail installation and walkthrough is awesome. it really helps out alot. great stuff

[@jerodbjx]

Dude!!! This video was awesome. I think Go Power Sports has mastered every aspect of the predator engines. As a person new to predator engines, I really appreciate the level of detail that is in your videos.

[@LifeWithJay22]

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[@Canadian_Craftsman]

Heck yeah!! 2.5 stage kit is all my bike needs she SCREAMS🤯 i can't imagine the stage 4# 20+ HP keep grinding!!(=✌💚

[@chancemiller2584]

this must be why my order hasnt been shipped yet, theyre to busy making videos and dynoing engines.

[@ratrodcourier8576]

When did you order? Been gonna order some stuff but have been worried about the shipping time do to the message saying they're behind and hearing it's not to timely.

[@alexanderscarreviews442]

My order took about 2 weeks to get to Cali

[@GoPowerSports]

Ha, we're backed up because everyone and their mother is spending their Stimis on Go-Fast parts. We are working diligently to get everyone's order out...but more orders keep coming in!

[@alexanderscarreviews442]

That’s good at least they’re spending there money wisely other then other stuff that won’t last them. I didn’t get a stimi sadly but my cash is still the same you guys shouldn’t blame it on that instead y’all should be happy you guys have income coming in and still in business Pay your employees and get it done.

[@timmacon6549]

When you install a stage one kit do you not remove the governor?

[@mrpeepaw]

Man I’m excited to do it to my predator 212. I hit 35 mph on a 60 tooth sprocket bone stock and imma do this upgrade… of course leaving the 60 tooth sprocket. May go 40-45 then and looks awesome.

[@mikemoses1009]

I just added tourqe converter and 40 tooth sprocket 12" tires have 23mm carb jetted K&N air filter I have not mph with car yet but it's so much faster that it's squarely top end enough I let out of it I assume I'm hitting 45 or 49 mph just guessing from the feel

[@TheRustyRooster]

Thanks for the step by step. I'll be looking to modify my non hemi soon this video is a big help

[@georgephiliastides2949]

I bought a kit after I seen this video and I lost a ton of power. More like I lost 2 hp. I’m removing the parts and issuing a refund.

[@dttach3d]

@@georgephiliastides2949 u prolly fucked something up installing it

[@StageShout]

Wow!.....What a gain in HP. Definitely worth it! Thanks Guys!

[@GoPowerSports]

You bet!

[@Tampaboys]

Heck ya that little dyno is awesome big like and share from tbc

[@Wilson_Racing]

Do you have a video of a non hemi on the dyno before and after a stage 1 kit? I'd like to see the power difference between them. Or maybe a stage 2 engine next?

[@edgualdino628]

Great job guys you nail it for the newbies that was a perfect video keep them coming 👍👍👍 Thank You.

[@LifeWithJay22]

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[@mikesbarn1858]

Great comparison. Like to see it with mikuni now.

[@tazcgnso8653]

Won’t that make it blow it up

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@tazcgnso8653 NO !

[@trevinskiking2165]

Or a new Asian Honda kehein carb of about 20-22mm & above, readily available & jetted spot on & mate up to a nipple bike throttle cable end ! You don't have to appear a guru to know what works for less informed

[@b3eks557]

So i have all these parts but the 18lb pound valve strings. Do i need them or will it run fine with the stock ones with a stage 1 on

[@racecardriver5776]

I'm no professional but I have tinkered on stuff and putting that head cover on with a Impact and not hand starting those screws was pretty ballsy But other than that video was great I love the commentary is a really well put together walkthrough especially with the benchmarks

[@Princesslilly12]

You should always torque the fastener by hand too. A impact gun will either be over tightening them or not tightening them enough.

[@kylecarmichael91]

Can you do this level of detail all the way through stage four please. Step by step with dyno data backing the upgrades. I enjoyed your video. Maybe with different cam and valve spring combos as well!!!!

[@luisquintero1910]

Yea can i im triying to set up my own dump for frends but need some help

[@Deucealive75]

Very cool testing the gains with the dyno. A little surprised how soon the power started dropping. I have seen other dyno testing where peak HP was at a much higher RPM than here. Their numbers may look a little different if the engine was heat cycled a few times then dyno at a normal operating temp. In other words, dyno when the engine is completely warmed up. If you are running governed you don't need 18lb valve springs. At this RPM the stock springs may have gotten a touch higher power numbers because it takes more power to move an 18lb spring than it does to move a 10lb spring.

[@xaviermccloud4586]

Maybe it's because they were running a none hemi on the other test?

[@mikhailjairnisbett441]

it's because of the governor, that pulled the throttle back for sure.

[@coopislit24k]

these videos are good as hell! appreciate all yall in the small engine community!

[@GoPowerSports]

Appreciate it!! Thanks for checking us out

[@brycesandoval9446]

My stage one kit didn’t come with a new jet or I misplaced it, any chance you could tell me the size jet to order or add a link?

[@koreywilliams4570]

I see you have your tachometer wrapped around the cord on your spark plug. I just got mine in the mail yesterday and the instructions mention to wrap it around that nubbin on the top of the plug.

[@mr.braapalicious]

Nice comparison between the 2! Great video!

[@jimclark7279]

Newbe here. Love the info provided. I did flinch a little when ya cut the oil sensor wire so short. But, what I enjoyed the most was the music....".I looked down the road," from Moarn. Keep up the great work.

[@clintcowles7563]

Thank you guys. This was exactly the video I was looking for. Huge help. 😁

[@masonr3706]

Nice video!

[@localcrew]

This video makes me want to strap a Predator to my easy chair and go racing! Just subscribed!

[@GoPowerSports]

Ha, let's see it

[@localcrew]

I can see it in my mind so clearly.

[@naturechanel209]

Can you do a 212 non hemi dyno run for me with the stage one ?

[@tbonevoodoo]

Really not much difference. I own both engines.

[@Troygehring]

@@tbonevoodoo I have a Coleman ct200u and the stock engine blew up. I had a stage 1 kit on that engine. that I would like to put on a new predator. Will a stage 1 kit work with the hemi or just the non hemi or both?

[@tbonevoodoo]

@@Troygehring Both

[@Troygehring]

@@tbonevoodoo thanks

[@thebrokeway9838]

Great video real easy to follow..my question is so you really don't have to change or drill out the pilot jet..andI have the Hemi are the jets the same for both because I keep coming across parts title non- hemi? See I did not know bout the jets I changed to this akir filter and adapter and now the engine wants to die with a little throttle so I came to uou gents!! Thanks keep up the great work

[@FreddyFunderbunz]

What if the power gain was because of simply from removing the parasitic drag caused by the governor and none of the other parts were needed. I’d like to see a dyno run of a stock 212cc with and without the governor

[@SupremeODMG]

Same

[@Slowboi335xi]

Governor limits the revs to 5,500 without it the engine can go to 8,500 that’s the difference. U get a higher rpm range so obviously more power

[@FreddyFunderbunz]

@@Slowboi335xi more rpm doesn’t mean more power. Especially if your cam doesn’t make power in the upper rpm range. The stock cam falls flat after 5k rpm

[@FreddyFunderbunz]

@@Slowboi335xi also, the coil also limits the rpm. U can buy coils with no rpm limit

[@Bread45]

@@FreddyFunderbunz not true at all regular 212s don’t have that

[@smallenginepower2267]

Just added 18lb valve springs to my 212, made a world of a difference.

[@georgephiliastides2949]

What difference did it make?

[@smallenginepower2267]

Added about 600 to 800 rpm to my 212 with governor and gained me about 5 mph

[@ricardomelo4097]

Do the same with honda gx 390 please... Congratulations for the channel

[@phillycheee]

Nice. Curious how an 8 degree ignition advance would affect those graphs

[@ninoreeves7702]

that is the first thing i install. they start so much easier...

[@jonfisher5405]

Wouldn't recommend that on the hemi 212

[@mikequesenberry8318]

I had a honda gx 160 20 years ago we put the 308 cam in it stock rod stock flywheel had head work done bid carb and torqued the stock rod twice the stock speck stock flattop piston gapless rings and they aint make a billet flywheel yet and i used to turn that thing 8000 rpm with stock rod never threw a rod and that thing would run with the heavy flywheel its a wonder it didnt explode we did drill bunch of holes and lighten it it ran like bat outta hell till flywheel blew up we also avanced the timing from 16 to 40 degrees and it would only run bout eight milr then it get hot but the timing made that thing a rocket we also cut 100 thousands off the head with all that timing it was make pass and shut it off couldnt ride it but man that timing picked up alot of power but you cant turn it up that high and ride it it would over heat but just drag race it was a beast and i cant believe the rod stayed together at 8 grand that old honda stuff was strong

[@LifeWithJay22]

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[@wyattcram4968]

I love this kind of video

[@gilaspinoytv]

me too...and the sound of engine is so nice

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@gilaspinoytv You haven't heard my exhaust systems Cheers Trev New Zealand

[@rustyshackleford3099]

Now do the Tillotson you claim 10 HP stock.

[@Deucealive75]

The Tillotson should get better dyno numbers than this. Higher compression, better head and carb will do it. And don't they come with a better than stock cam? With identical compression, same carb and cam a Hemi 212 should produce close to the same power of the Tillotson.

[@koreywilliams4570]

I have the hemi predator 212cc with a hot cam, 26lb springs, billet rod, billet flywheel, billet side cover, and a mikuni 22mm carb pushing a juggernaut torque converter.

[@hobonickel840]

I appreciate it guys... I was really hoping you would talk about the replacement jet... now I'm looking for the size jet you went with everywhere and in comments. I apologize for being such a newb. What jet size did you replace with please??? Thanks again!

[@coreyd7060]

How about with the governors removed on both...

[@timerickson7056]

There's a crazy viking building a 50cc 2 stroke in his garage that's dinoing 20+- HP and 14 lbs of torque .

[@walkertongdee]

The heavy valve springs only help at rpm. over 4000, high revving to stop valve floating. With the governor @ 3600 they make your power worse, taking away energy to push open the stiff valve springs.

[@lordnetsplits3192]

Does the valve cover vent only let out crank case pressure or does it also vacuum air in?

[@daviddelacruz8865]

Nice I will use this video for my first install

[@noahbryant7397]

Why did y’all stop selling them in kits, it’s all separately now

[@robertcoleman4782]

Excellent and concise step by step instructions! Especially love the background music! Who is the artist??

[@GoPowerSports]

Sorry, don't remember. We use Artlist.io and they have a ton of great artists.

[@novavroomvroom6809]

I'm installing one of those on my beach cruiser bike...

[@GoPowerSports]

You'll be kicking sand everywhere!

[@GrizzlyAdams024]

Nice! Im digging the new decals man. Will be ordering some soon!!!!

[@pookysdad4884]

I see ya got your GoPowerSports stickers on there. Don't forget your Cars and Cameras "It'll be fine" sticker (THAT'LL inspire CONFIDENCE in your customers 🤣)

[@gilaspinoytv]

wow i like the sounds

[@usmanakhtar7683]

What to do if you don’t have a vent cover

[@jasoncaribou9530]

Excellent video definitely recommend 👍

[@GoPowerSports]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@yung_shreda9288]

I needdddd my clutch yallll I ordered it

[@emoryholley4711]

Thanks helped a lot!!!

[@GoPowerSports]

Glad it helped!

[@scottsoutdoor9569]

Haha those filters are fuel filters made for chainsaws, weedeaters and leaf blowers for the inside of the fuel tank

[@tentoesdown6247]

Can you guys make a troubleshooting video for y’all’s Colman stage 1 kit that comes with the clone carburetor w/ jet already installed? I can’t get mine to run it will idol but as soon as I hit the throttle it cuts off. Everyone says to adjust the float but the float on y’all’s clone carb isn’t adjustable

[@kirklivernash4350]

Man I love your videos, you could not do any better explaining the process! The problem I had was I called your order department the guy who answered the phone was barley understandable, he did not sound like he knew what he was talking about. I have several parts I want to buy from you, just give me a name of who I should ask for that knows what they are talking about, other wise I will try to get my parts elsewhere.

[@GoPowerSports]

Try my main man Evan. Or email us at [e-mail]. Thanks for the feedback.

[@brassteeth3355]

I'm getting ready

[@duaneglover9283]

Sound would be good

[@RAWRMotorsports]

Just here to see the choke lever on stage 1 😅

[@wesbell6453]

Too bad you guys have none of them... but let's learn for free!. And that's cool 😎👌

[@GoPowerSports]

Very true!

[@mmoncure11]

Great video. Would love to see dyno before after for stock 420 vs stage 1. Do you guys sell build engines?

[@noahc2761]

It’s still governed right?

[@hobonickel840]

Thanks for the content ...I am having quite the time trying to figure out what size bolts fit the four bracket holes on the case cover around the crankshaft??? I thought I figured it out and bought some but I don't know if they are different because it's a hemi or what... I'm swapping engines in a trailmaster mini bike and the cvt brackets for the cvt cover/guard need to mount into these holes on the predator but are a different size on the two engines... I want, based on my limited experience, to say they are either 8 or 10 metric...do you know what size they are???

[@Konnersaki]

U guys have a cool ass job 👍

[@badboytv4175]

whats the top speed with out the tune ?

[@GoPowerSports]

Depends on your gear ratio and application. I've seen this on go-karts that go around 36mph.

[@evanclark7490]

whenever i click the link in bio, it just takes me to a listing with just an air filter, wheres the exhaust and stuff?

[@dadhobbies9455]

So does this kit after installed remove or bypass the governor

[@edgualdino628]

Hello just wondering do the stock hemi an non hemi make the same power which one makes more power with stage 1 thank you

[@trevinskiking2165]

Good qstn cheers Trev NZ

[@jayelite114]

Why does the jet sent with the stage 1 kit make my predator and 2 of my friends predators Bog out .. bone stock . Installed air filter . Exhaust and jet . Same result on the 3 predators . Will fire up but as soon as you give it throttle it bogs out .. what’ causes this . Same result on 3 different engines with your stage 1 kit . Runs fine with the stock jet . As soon as you swap it out . The bike will bog out

[@landonbutler385]

my kart with the bigger jet likes to foul plugs/ run rich

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@landonbutler385 & there's your answer !.Get an oxygen sensor bung welded to your exhaust pipe & fit a wide band poxygen sensor & get hooked up to a smog tester & run it off an independent battery to heat it, your local EPA sniffer shop or local garage with an air-fuel sniffer if you pester them enough should be happy to oblige.Dont forget the local small engines man.Goodluck.Cheers Trev NZ

[@Nowayjose-z2r]

You still have to tune the carburetor. Any time you change altitude you will have issues either lean or rich. Plenty of videos on how to tune these motors out there. Takes about an hour or so. When you get higher up on the performance scale even temp changes will affect your tune. Now you're getting into the spark plug temp rating and other factors that probably will boggle your mind.

[@1someoneelse]

"Go ahead and snip this!" I couldn't even see on the video what the hell you were talking about might as well snip a little bit of this and a little bit of that

[@gabeforgione8470]

please help me out guys you can install these valve springs with stock carb (changing jet obviously) but you don’t need to remove the governor?

[@GoPowerSports]

I guess you could add the 18# valve springs with your governor still in. You would see the most benefit after you hit 5000+ rpms though from changing out these valve springs.

[@N.S.F.C]

Are we assuming that you took the governer out ? Do you offer any seat post tube engine mounts? Thank for the informitive vidieos.

[@GoPowerSports]

Yes governor is out and no to seat post engine mounts, we just have the flat engine mounts that may be welded.

[@Ace36644]

I put the stage 1 kit on without the jet and it’s cutting out would it not cut out if I put the jet on?

[@miguelpagansr6128]

Hey Taylor good morning, thanks for the helpful video how tos. I have a Honda gx160 and I’d like to keep it stock but I’d like to know if you guys carry the throttle cable swivel nut not sure what is called. Thanks in advance and ride safe.

[@Deans64]

how come you back off the throttle stop on second run and not the first

[@chuckhuff7123]

Is that with the governor still in the engine?😮😊, or removed?😮😅

[@WildfoxFabrication]

predator claims the 212 makes 6.5hp, so 7.5 stock is hecka good

[@ironsandhammers359]

I've seen some people get it up to 9 HP but idk how long the motor would be able to handle that

[@WildfoxFabrication]

@@ironsandhammers359 its just cool that a completely stock predator actually makes 7.5 horsepower when harbor freight only claims 6.5hp. always nice when a product exceeds expectations rather than fall short

[@ironsandhammers359]

@@WildfoxFabrication for sure and with kits and miss it adds a whole lot more that you can do for the bikes performance just part of the greatness of gas engines lol

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@WildfoxFabrication It should make at least 7.5 HP it's 212cc ohv Hemi - don't they teach shop at School anymore ? It's unbelievable what melinisls in Gen X & Y don't know...no offence intended.buy some karting & minibke books from the 60's ,& 1970's & learn Something.TREV NEW ZEALAND (South Pacific) Cheers

[@trevinskiking2165]

@@WildfoxFabrication There's variables depending on the brand of Dyno for measuring HP output most automotive ones that's getting done to the margin of error - I built my small engine Dyno years ago when Clayton mechanical dynos were the most accurate.Cheers Trev New Zealand

[@craigd9616]

How do you know if you have a hemi engine? Does it state it on the engine anywhere? Thanks

[@shyggen]

what would an engine like this work on a snowblower? tried searching.. didnt find any videoes on it

[@HaveUSeenMyBaseball86]

Harbor Freight has 212cc motors on sale atm. Bought me 2 of them. $130

[@GoPowerSports]

Nicely done!

[@Trains_n_stuff08]

So if I put 18 pound springs on my predator 0 or 1000 lash would be good?

[@maddoxhq2328]

What all do you need too take the gov out (safely)

[@evildark940]

I got a go kart with all this but the valve springs. I'm afraid to open her up the front wheels leaning in almost hitting the control arms I guess they're called... I ordered spacers to fix the issue hopefully.

[@thefishingchannel3192]

Does this stage 1 kit require any billet parts or is it safe at moderate rpms?

[@bslmarketing]

Why did he remove the spark plug?

[@haydenbenware6590]

For the valve springs

[@Moto_Mania__23]

I have a question. How do you select what color you want on the website? There isn’t any selections.

[@GoPowerSports]

We have since done away with color selection of stage 1 kits. Now they are all black. We do offer different air filter covers though.

[@daytonc4736]

Will this kit fit a coleman 196cc

[@idcanymore5287]

I did this except the valve springs and no muffler. Removed governor. It's on a traditional go kart frame and im getting 42mph ish and I weight 260lbs. Its a torque converter running to a 48 tooth sprocket and has no problem spinning the wheels in dirt. It really takes off. I dont know what the difference is but I have had better luck with the more expensive tq converter from this outfit than the cheaper ones on ebay not to mention the hardware was better thought out. I think im going to do these other mods and ditch the 420 on my explorer it's just been a pain I think 10hp not to mention no governor will be sufficient. Just easier imo. Easier to start, easier to get to etc. Plus I really want to get rid of the 40 series and all the jackshaft stuff.

[@mikemoses1009]

same here but 40 tooth carb jetted air filter & header ima around 45 to 49 mph

[@mikemoses1009]

same here but 40 tooth carb jetted air filter & header ima around 45 to 49 mph

[@MisoJuice]

Do you have to install the new valve springs for this to work? That seems like it’s above my talents

[@user-vi5ko8ks9m]

I’m wondering the same thing

[@kbakeritsallaboutnobody.5761]

I'm curious if any of this stuff would work on the predator vertical shaft engine.

[@timmacon6549]

Can you do this on a new predator 224 on video?

[@nicnak1608]

For the starter moving it. Do you have to do anything with the rope or is it as easy as taking it off repositioning it and bolting it back on?

[@BermondsayBattler]

Just did this. It's as easy as unbolt, turn and rebolt.

[@yungsmok42]

I didn't even see you out the crab on just the jets

[@farmboyrc]

do a dyno on each predator like 79, 212, 301, 420, and 670

[@MrCAMO112]

Can you safely remove governor with just the stage 1 kit?

[@GoPowerSports]

Yes, you can.

[@MrCAMO112]

@@GoPowerSports thanks for the quick response. Y'all are the best

[@mikeryan3948]

What size pitot jet would you use on this build.

[@jjrob925]

How did you run it after the install without an oil catch can an not make a mess or venting the ohv back back into the motor?

[@Nowayjose-z2r]

It's more preference to run a catch can. It's just a small amount of oil that you won't see an oil loss. Put the filter above the valve cover helps a lot.

[@HaveUSeenMyBaseball86]

Upgrading the 212cc where should I start? I ordered exhaust, Mikuni carb and jets. What else do I need?

[@GoPowerSports]

Heavier valve springs. Or go with a whole Stage 2 Kit.

[@arcturusbbqsausagemaking2435]

Great job guys !!,How much would you charge for that complete mod on a new predator motor and where can I buy one

[@GoPowerSports]

check out our engine site on www.gopowersports.com

[@sconniejohn]

@@GoPowerSports those are nuts! I wasn't sure I wanted a mini bike till I saw what those things can do!

[@tbonevoodoo]

I have bought it all and all nee clutch assembly. Its pretty fast. Is my belt supposed to almost ride the very top of the pulley? I backed out the screw to allow to give it the most gas. Should I change that screw back so the belt wont go to the top of tge pulley? Its eating belts in 30 mins. Has red spring in it and I have bought a green spring but not installed yet. I also have a 50.00 belt but dont want to ruin it. Thanks for any help! Great video and I used it to build my new 212cc.

[@dorito6574]

What does the piece that attaches to the intake do. I don’t see how it works as a choke or anything

[@GoPowerSports]

It helps to keep the chock lever on your carburetor. It's just adds tension.

[@dorito6574]

@@GoPowerSports yes! I realized it afterwards with a similar kit I got for a honda

[@MrDizzle715]

Another question...so got this kit and the header pipe is NOT flared on the end. How do I attach the muffler? Welding is not an option.

[@timmacon6549]

What size is the new jet?