Time Scylon 2018 - Cut Up and Review

Here we cut up and review a TIME Scylon 2018 frame. This frame was donated by James, it was new however it had the front derailluer mount in the wrong place and was replaced under warranty.
These are made using the Resin Transfer Molding (RTM) process instead of the typical bladder molded prepreg that we usually see. This brings different characteristics to the construction.
Time have videos of their process on their page.
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[@Sills71]

Someone call Pinarello, Trek, Specialized and all the other makers that farm it out to China (so they make BIG money), THIS IS HOW TO MAKE A CARBON BIKE. THIS IS REAL ENGINEERING. God love the French.

[@bbqreunie984]

TIME is producing in Slovakia. LOOK in Tunesia. Much better technique used by Time and also the carbon of LOOK and quality is much better than from chinese factories. Also the bracket is very well alligned and meets better engineering standards.

[@FeintMotion]

@@bbqreunie984 This early Skylon was made in France. The Slovakian facility wasn't opened for two years after Skylon production began.

[@williamknowles3085]

All the rumors i've heard over the years, about Time being the best produced road bike frames. It seems to be completely true

[@gpurkeljc]

Clever marketing by Time to put the hanger in the wrong place just so Raul can show us how well their frames are made. 😉

[@earthstick]

Manufacturers who make good frames should have nothing to worry about when Raoul cuts them open. It serves as an advert when we see a well made one.

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Frame porn of the highest order

[@jamesyoung4453]

Great review Raoul. The warranty defect was from the frame being slightly out of tolerance on the jig when drilling the derailleur holes - Time were great about it, easy to deal with and I’ve had 4x of their frames and this is first one there was an issue (they moved factory so probably a tooling setup issue). Since Time frames cost the same as a mid-upper range Specialized, I’d buy Time every time 😜

[@schoebelski6602]

James Young thank you very much for bringing this frame to Raoul and us. Very kind, many thanks. 😊🙏...I wish I had the budget for a Time

[@jamesyoung4453]

Schoebelski no problem. Too many poorly made and dangerous bikes out there, Raoul is doing a great job bringing this to people’s attention. Time isn’t as expensive as most think, have a look at Cecil Walker in Melbourne, they have some great discounts

[@xam8839]

37:16 little late, but did you get into futher investigation what caused the cracks ?

[@jamesyoung4453]

@@xam8839 which cracks? The fault was the factory drilled the holes in the wrong stop as it hadn’t been seated on the jig properly - only out by a couple of millimetre but big difference

[@xam8839]

@@jamesyoung4453 i know the initial fault was with the wrong placed/drilled holes, but at 36:06 Raoul mentioned crack indication. The same kind of cracks seemed to appear at the junction between seatstays and seattube. Did Raoul get into further investigation about this? Haven‘t seen cracks like this on other frame cut ups. Don‘t think it was caused by cutting the frame, since he uses fine dremel tool to do so.

[@PeakTorque]

The BB shell and various ribs are very impressive.

[@deelymc]

Thanks for the video. I bought a Time Scylon from MerlinCycles about a month ago. They have 50% off on Time bikes. I almost bought a Pinarello but thanks to KZbinrs like you and Hambini I've learned to look for higher quality. After a month of riding it I can easily say it is the best bike I've ever owned.

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

Good move man. I saw the sale at Merlin. I’d buy the XS sized Izon they have now if I didn’t lose my job in April.

[@raresmircea]

Matthew Deely How much did you pay for it?

[@Fred8000W]

I did the same thing but the large frame was damaged clearly with the carbon being delaminated, they’re still messing me around on the refund so can’t be anything but disappointed. This is after they stated the frame was in perfect condition on the phone before ordering. No scylon and definitely not bothering with Merlin again!

[@larisonjohnson]

The only thing more elegant than the Time Scylon manufacturing quality is the work Raoul did breaking it all down. Awesome video! We should all be so lucky as James. Fantastic Content LT! Cheers!

[@timocallaghan4408]

between you and Hambini, I think I know which company my next frame will come from. The different manufacturing process genuinely seems to solve most common issues you uncover

[@Edwin-fw4rh]

Time is the only brand that not afraid to show the inside of frameset

[@gpurkeljc]

The most anticipated KZbin video of the year. 😎

[@76booge]

Now I can see why they charge a premium for their frames, very neat. How does Pinarello justify their prices with the utter garbage they have made as seen in Raoul's cut up? Big difference in quality based on appearances at least

[@st939]

Justify? Why would they? You pay for the name from back in the day when specialists used the best steel tubes to hand-build their bikes in Italy. Nothing of that remains.

[@glennoc8585]

I've used time.pedals can't fault them.apart from the cleats being pricey.

[@glennoc8585]

A bit.like the vacuum.bag with resin.method that many small car parts guys still.do.

[@glennoc8585]

@@st939 sure it does

[@LordVilmore]

Prices aren't set at what is just, its set at where most profit is made. Pinarello sets there prices ridiculously high, people want and buy lots of Pinarello's, end of story. Win for Pinarello.

[@manitoublack]

Takes a look over at my 13 or so year old fully lugged 'Time VXRS' :) Was an amazing bike 13 years ago, and still is. Time putting on a master class with regards to frame manufacturing. So glad I've got one. Only problem is with their business model: The bikes are so well made, you never need to buy an upgrade. hahahaha

[@mortenreippuertknudsen3576]

Funny, when i got my beloved Merlin Metalworks CR 3/2.5 frame in 2006 the only carbon frame i considered back then was the VXRS

[@hannahuang6118]

16 years old Time VXR, remember Paris Roubaix and Tour of Flanders. Father of VXRs.

[@dinkocirjak3784]

There's something truly magical to these bikes, an experience that you only understand when ridding a TIME bike. Yeah sure the BB's are round straight and parallel ( why wouldn't they be) and the frames finished inside nicer than most on the outside. Maybe it comes from weiving the carbon Kevlar and vectran in different direction or maybe it's from weaving a thread of narrative through the fabric of Time and some saviour fair. Chapeau

[@justsayin3600]

THANK YOU JAMES, for the donation!!! This bike brand gives me hope that good engineering practices are being applied. Raoul, can you cut up your personal bike for the sake of science? You can just make another one.😊

[@MP48]

Yup that's what I expected to see. Filament wound RTM parts can be high precision as long as your formers are well designed. TIME Sport did not disappoint.

[@mortenreippuertknudsen3576]

Woundup compostites are still in the fork buisness as well :-) According to Tom Kellogh who helped Time with their first (and first desent carbon forks) the Woundup forks are stil the best riding and safest out there +20 years after Woundup 'wound' up their first forks.

[@jensenhealey907efi]

Wow, A Really gorgeous frame. A piece of artwork compared to other frames. Thanks for the video Raoul. Very informative as usual.

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

Absolutely brilliant engineering design take on the RTM process.

[@Zero_Theory]

Hambini has entered the chat 👀

[@Albdentist]

I’m a life long steel lug cyclist, test ride with a well known monocoque frame bike: it rode like exactly what it was: a plastic hollow tube … I immediately knew I wanted a lugged framed bike: either a Colnago or a Time … I just finished a RXRS build: an amazing bike ! Nothing like it

[@kiliBrtoiP]

this is another proof what Hambini talks about. Time makes superior frames

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

They do. I’m never selling my 2015 NXS. Prolly a reason the BB30 on my frame has never once creaked. Time can hit tolerances most can’t or don’t care to.

[@dinkocirjak3784]

@@DavidJones-sc6jc couldn't offer me enough for mine, 5 years and it's never missed a beat.

[@earthstick]

It looks good compared to some of the other frames we have seen. It would have been nice to see the fork as well because they use as resonator device in the for legs to dampen road vibrations. I think the technique is the same as that used in some skyscrapers and Japanese Pagodas to withstand earthquakes. The weakness does seem to be at junctions between tubes. At 34:49 you point out the cracks on the left side of toptube - seatube junction but there is a crack on the right side running the visible length of the tube. Maybe the cracks were caused by cutting the frame apart but that still shows they are weak points. Something I can't understand about the process. There is a wax mandrel that the fibres are woven around and the whole item is placed in a female mould. The resin is then transferred through the fibres. The melting point of the wax must be higher than the curing temperature of the resin otherwise it will melt during curing and not provide the necessary support. But if the wax melting point is higher than that of the resin why does the cured resin not melt when they are removing the wax? I have seen the RTM technique used by boat hull manufacturers but their process is slightly different. They still vacuum bag but they attach pipes to each end of the bag and use the vacuum to draw out the air in the fibres and then draw resin into the bag and through the fibres. I'm wondering if Time also draw the resin through the mould rather that inject. It would seem better to draw it through because that also draws out air. Could prepreg fibres be woven around a mandrel and placed in a female mould?

[@Jeppelelle]

"But if the wax melting point is higher than that of the resin why does the cured resin not melt when they are removing the wax?" Epoxy becomes thermoset after the curing process between the resin & hardener. The exothermic reaction between some resin & hardeners produces enough heat by itself to start the curing process while other combinations require heat, Time uses heated molds when they "drag" the resin through the fibers, after the curing process the thermoset polymer can resist more heat than that of the curing reaction itself. So in the case of Time they use low enough heat to not melt the wax but high enough heat to start the curing process of the hardener they are using, after curing they take it to an oven to melt the wax & by that time the curing process have created a polymer that can withstand higher temperatures than that of the first curing process itself, so the resin doesn't melt at those higher temperatures, instead it keeps curing the resin As an example: www.lord.com/products-and-solutions/electronic-materials/thermoset-30067-epoxy-system That product can cure at 100C (low enough to not melt the wax) & optionally after curing it can also be used for post-curing at 150C (maybe high enough to melt the wax but still cure the polymer) (i doubt Time do a full post-cure, bikes does not need that high temperature resistance, Time most likely just use the post-cure heat resistens properties of the polymer to just extract the wax & then take the frame out again when the wax has melted)

[@earthstick]

@@Jeppelelle Great reply

[@Hugh23132]

Once the resin hardens it is no longer vulnerable to the heat so they can use heat to drain out the wax

[@galenkehler]

Insane to see, I only run 1x so I never would have noticed the original flaw... such a shame that such a frame couldnt be sold at a discount to someone like me.

[@J88HNT]

Even without your commentary, and by just looking at the inside of the frame you can tell it has been made properly.

[@jasonreynolds1715]

Great cut down and analysis. One comment you didn’t ‘review’ at the end to tell us whether you thought it was awesome or not. You did with the Chinarello the other week - why didn’t you heap praise?

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

Superior manufacturing here compared to all the cut up videos I have seen previously. That bottom bracket must be one of the most precisely made ones on the market, in terms of alignment.

[@ronngren655]

Another great video! Time frames look so good they don't need painting

[@modemarcoj8026]

I recently acquired a 2022 scylon and it is hands down the most stable and solid frame I have owned or ridden . Also have a T1sl 2022 and 2019 team machine , all rim brake and the Time is a rock .

[@Megadeth6633]

I love your work, and this one has been special. One thing I would like and suggest is that you give more of your opinion. More of your thoughts. Like if you were at a bar with a cyclist friend and you were telling him what you thought about this Scylon frame you just cut up. Thanks for the work you do, you really help to shape the cycling industry for the better.

[@n0ch91c3s]

I specifically like that he doesn't give his opinion too much. He lets the evidence do the talking.

[@DeedoCmuk82]

Hambini is vindicated 😁

[@MP48]

Was there any doubt 😉

[@mattheweaton1420]

Legend has it that if you say "Time Scylon" 3 times, Hambini will appear and call you a [censored].

[@jakobthastum9098]

It's true... I've tried it - only problem was the wife asking what all the yelling was about 😆

[@aerojetrocketdyners-2538]

HELLO HAMBINI FANS!!!

[@christianotoole763]

@@aerojetrocketdyners-2538 AND WELCOME!

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

He’s a 5 year old

[@GrantHeadley]

The lick, the shiz

[@amitpalvirdi]

I'm not an expert, but this looks really neat, I haven't seen any other cut up of a frame that looks as neat and clean as this - any suggestions are welcome.

[@gl3906]

excellent analysis - learned such a lot about carbon frame manufacturing. thanks a lot!!!

[@DanTuber]

very clean insides.

[@janvdheijde6068]

Build one last march, and i must say: it,s the most comfortable yet stiffest frame i ever build and been riding on. beeing a heavy weight in the "peleton"(105kg+) i was looking for a frame with no weight limit, i came across this 2018 frame and bought it with out a doubt, it was fun to build an even more fun to ride with. Specs: sram red etap, rotor cranckset 50/34, most aero handlebars, home made wheels (dtswiss R511, hope hubs. I love it, best bike i owned so far!

[@AdamQueen]

What about some Hongfu or Yoeleo frames cut up? I guess they won't want to the user to send back the damaged frame anyway?

[@somnumna2606]

They are not that expensive $400...buy two and send them in. I have their wheels and as good as my other expensive sets. Done plenty of Km’s on them as well.

[@monkmchorning]

On one hand the post-preg and mandrel process produces a clean interior and virtually eliminates the possibility of wrinkles and gaps. On the other, it increases the amount of resin used, as mentioned, and reduces the capability for fine-tuning the strength/compliance/stiffness/weight of the frame design. Of course, unless you're trying to set records in weight reduction, the fine-tuning might be overrated. 45 years ago we never fretted about which was lighter, a Cinelli, a Gios, a DeRosa, or a Colnago.

[@mhas9110]

I am never going to buy a bike again, unless Raoul has cut it open. I hope Time gets the attention they deserve! Curious about Canyon frames now=)

[@mortenreippuertknudsen3576]

steel is real, and so i Titanium :-)

[@al3xandr3i]

Hambini's wet dream

[@al3xandr3i]

@Steve King one that follows Luescher would not consider durian rider...

[@borano2031]

Hambini´s RTM dream?? Rgr

[@al3xandr3i]

@Steve King yeah, depending on your location, probably the wise decision is to go for something like Cube, Canyon, Giant, Merida, Focus or Rose (Rose Backroad is a nice bike); cheers

[@cccpkingu]

@@al3xandr3i Durian isn't making the frames.

[@cccpkingu]

@Steve King All those options are overpriced, and all of them have had worrying recalls. How about wittson.com/custom-titanium-gravel-bicycle-with-sram-cx1-groupset-white-industries-g30-crankset or wittson.com/titanium-gravel-bicycle-with-sliding-dropouts-wittson-effugio if you are spending anyway?

[@electraatom]

Thanks for another great informative video, Raoul. Madone next!!👍

[@toniberndtson]

Looks very tidy.

[@mathiasjohansencellist]

Did you cut up anything as good as this? Which bike came closest? Amazing vids! Youre making bike world better👍🏼

[@LuescherTeknik]

This is the cleanest bike cut up so far.

[@mathiasjohansencellist]

Luescher Teknik anything coming close to this quality? An overview would be great! But that would require a more standardized rating system I guess ...

[@kenw8875]

Please slice and review some mountain bike frames

[@colinvanwijk5731]

Similar full carbon dropouts on my old Look 585, no issues whatsoever.

[@runningwithshemp]

Nice to see a frame that really well made. If I could afford one I would absolutely buy one of these or similar frame from Time (I prefer the ISM so it would be this or Giant TCR SL). Make me wonder if resin transfer is easier to control QC with more steps/cost upfront the vs prep-preg that's much harder to debulk with A bladder mold.

[@steveflor9942]

Thanks, Raoul Another wonderful, informative video. Time knows their stuff and pay good attention to detail. Obvious care in manufacture. It seems that unidirectional pre-preg would be more tunable in amount and direction of local stiffness... Fair assertion? Cheers, Everyone

[@joncrennes]

Love my Time Scylon, this confirms everything! Thank you!

[@MrSzwarz]

I'm going to purchase TIME Alpe Huez 21 frame (Alpe d’Huez 21 incorporates carbon and basalt fibers) from Switzerland where prices are the lowest in Europe for bikes and frames. For last 3 years TIME frames are made in Slovakia (based Carboprax factory) however headquater and marketing is still in France. The brand was aquired by another French e-bike company Whatt for Now. (previous owner Rossignol sold it).

[@monkmchorning]

I would like to see reviews of some of the newer custom carbon bikes, such as Parlee, Myth, Sarto, and Alchemy. The majors have pretty much standardized the modular approach with standard head, seat cluster, and bottom bracket sections that can be consistently molded under high pressure. I'd like to see the full-custom answer to that.

[@jonathanchatters4852]

This is great! The exact reason I bought a Scylon!

[@TheNickbb10]

Nice to see a properly made carbon frame! I had a question that is off topic, but I thought you might be able to give some advice. Just got a new pair of lake xc carbon soled shoes (2 bolt spd style), and the slots stop 5-6mm further forward than my old pair. I was wondering if you had a recommendation for a safe way to drill/dremel/sand the slots to get the cleats further back without damaging the carbon structure?

[@thomaslutro5560]

Now, that was a pretty bike!

[@MrPagnu]

Thank you much appreciated

[@valiantabello]

Well done. And well done Time

[@cliffcox7643]

Seems Time and Look make good frames.

[@LuescherTeknik]

The Look frames that I have seen haven't been great actually.

[@kc3718]

wow, they use the 'lost wax' method, which has been used since the Bronze age circa 6,000 years ago, to make weapons and statues. All the greatest Greek, Roman and Renaissance statues were made that way. That's cool as

[@cccpkingu]

And the Roman campaign is known for their excellent TT results.

[@daytch9485]

What you wish your frame looked like inside. ..unless of course you have a Time.

[@dvoob]

would love to see the Time Alpe d'Huez 21. curious if they use this same mold process or go for the bladder prepreg method. They don't mention any tech on their own website in regards to the 21, so I'm assuming they don't use the same engineering for those frames.

[@mitjazobec1025]

It,s the same process

[@hockeyiscanada]

It is cool how they weave the carbon, but however, they use many more pieces to put a frame together, where as most brands whether they make it themselves like Giant and Merida or source it out like trek or or Bianchi, etc. put the main triangle together in one piece and then glue the rear triangle to frame after. I don't see how you can specifically place certain fibers where needed when it's weaved. Weaving is like braiding you can only weave or braid in a certain way.

[@stepforward1605]

Interesting. The madone would be great

[@gedrooney9305]

Ive got my eye on this frame..had my R3 nicked, almost bought an R5 until I saw this going cheap..

[@NewEnglandDirtRoadie]

if Time made a bicycle frame with traditional seat cluster, and all external routing, i might consider getting one.

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

They did. The NXS and Izon (Same as NXS) could be bought mechanical or electrical.

[@adventureswitheddie6444]

The only bike I regret not buying

[@replicas10]

Finally 😋😋😋

[@Factoryseconds123]

So can RTM bikes be repaired with prepreg patches as most if not all repair shops do??

[@kitten-inside]

How do thru-axle dropouts compare in terms of build and strength? What are the advantages and disadvantages for frame longevity?

[@arrissimouno5127]

Around 25:45 both the upper & lower cut edges show a light line in the centre of the tube wall, is this from the cutting process ? Or maybe excess resin between laminates ? Thanks for all your work.

[@cccpkingu]

20:20 The angle is a bit hard. Does it show up on the other half of the frame?

[@yolanda9209]

good job #1

[@mitchellsteindler]

Wow

[@NS-qd9ew]

hello, that's right, I had a 3T fork, and there the installation places (eccentric clamp) began to deform over time, delaminate

[@bearmare9710]

I am amazed at the video where a Trek was cut open. The workmanship on that frame was as good as this one. I'll look and see if a Cannondale was cut open.

[@rafaeldegiacomoaraujo8778]

Lol

[@tomekborucki1120]

But it uses trek bb90 bottom bracket design that is pure shite :) far away from anything you can call reliable.

[@st939]

Just curious what was the weight of this frame?

[@LuescherTeknik]

I weighted all the cut pieces at 992g, add a few more grams for the material the saw removed and some fittings and it would be around 1050g I would say.

[@Albdentist]

Built up an RXRS : the module (frame,fork, stem,handlebar ) plus the wheels plus the seat weighed 10,4 lbs

[@durianriders]

I've got 2 alibaba frames my stalker recomends on his website Id love to send you!

[@TheAndreMD]

Cut that pragma !

[@cheesesandwich1236]

At least I have Time pedals on my bike.

[@aneeshfroome4464]

Why don't you cut up an Fm066? From the pics the chinese manufacturers show, it's incredibly clean inside. Are you not cutting one up because if people see how high quality they are for the price it would turn the cycling industry upside down? xD

[@LuescherTeknik]

Because I don't have one here to cut up and review at the moment, if you have one that you can donate please send it in.

[@yoda112358]

I looked at Time's website and apparently there's some kind of moving weight element in the fork for vibration damping. Have you cut open one of these forks, and if so what does that look like / is it a risk of breaking?

[@rafaeldegiacomoaraujo8778]

No risk of breaking

[@mortenreippuertknudsen3576]

they have done that for almost 20y, no risk. They branched out to the carbon fork buisness before they added their frame buisness.

[@triode1212]

Colnago uses lugged construction for their top of the line CXX frames whereby all the CF tubes and lugs are made separately and then assembled into a frame, unlike a monocoque frame which is cast as one whole piece. Isn't Colnago's method of CF bike manufacturing easier to control from a QC standpoint? I suppose they too would be using RTM method for the individual pieces. It would also be easier for them to check for voids/errors in the molding as well. Why don't more bike manufacturers use this method of construction?

[@davidngqkalone88]

Colnago does not use RTM for the lugs AFAIK. there are GCN videos on colnago lugged bike construction which clearly show they aren't RTM made. lugged contruction is not popular because of significantly more manufacturing processes and inventory costs. you have to have a set of lugs for each frame size, and you have to make the tubes for each junction. so You are essentially making tooling for headtube junction, BB junction, seat tube junction,. top tube, down tube, seat stays and drop outs. that is 7 sets of tooling per frame size as opposed to just one or two for monocoque construction. Not to mention you have to miter the tubes to fit well.cutting a piece of tooling like a mold is a six to seven digit cost item that wears out over several thousand pieces (depending on complexity)- so the costs involved are quite abit higher And then you have to glue them in place with a jig that fixes them precisely in place, so you need to make the jig as well. Also, lugs to some degree limit your design freedom.

[@TheAntoine191]

Each junction makes for wasted material and weak spot so you end up with an heavier frame. That's why there aren't more lugged carbon bikes anymore apart from Colnago and specific custom geometry needs. RTM for bike is Time property was co developed with french labs (military purposes if i remember well). It certainly does not looks easy to replicate.

[@triode1212]

@@TheAntoine191 How is it a weak spot if the parts are easier to check for flaws and you have tubes connecting with lugs like on a steel bike - so the junctions are twice as strong as you have double the material at the junctions.

[@TheAntoine191]

@@triode1212 stress concentration. But it's not a reason not to make junctions, it has its drawbacks, that's it.

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

I had a C50 and a C59 and had issues with each. Colnago is typical of Italian “QC” meaning it sucks.

[@frederickstaana1269]

would love to buy a Time frame, but availability seems hard in the far east

[@cccpkingu]

They will probably send you one?

[@ComicalFlask]

www.merlincycles.com/time-scylon-ultegra-mix-road-bike-ex-display-171933.html

[@Reanimator999]

Have you checked Japan sellers (Yahoo Japan, Mercari Japan, and others)? Japanese lists their Time frames both new and old. I remember seeing whole Time NXS bike for $1800 USD.

[@kztimmins]

Did you have a chance to see if this had a made in France tag anywhere? I had a close look at a Slovak made scylon disc frame today and didn't feel it compared favourably to the my French made 2012 RXR Ulteam. They moved to Slovakia to save on labour costs, but did take note of a change from a compressed carbon seatpost head to an aluminium one, perhaps they made other compromises?

[@hannahuang6118]

Too late. That did not change the fate of Time. They were sold to VC now. Too bad.

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Not even LOOK manufacture to this quality anymore. Glad I have a 595 but what a shame 99% non-custom frames are Asian mass produced garbage for 5k a frame.

[@hannahuang6118]

Look started lug less from 586, so 585 and 595 should be the last frames with lugs.

[@jonienglish3231]

I just Picked up a NO NAME - 29er on EBAY : Tideace Fingers Crossed on the BIKE Build , with a USED NINER RDO Fork

[@lauig]

I'm afraid I'll have to report this vid. This is pure engineering pornography. (All jokes aside Raoul, the sound of your voice seems a bit low at times on that one + a few buzz sounds here and there. Probably the mic's lacking in crispiness/clarity. Not a problem for native or well trained english speakers i suppose but trickier to hear you on a couple expressions for lesser trained ears.)

[@paddyotoole2058]

Playback at 1.75 speed. Thanks me later.

[@katomiler843]

I DO NOT like full carbon drops.

[@LuescherTeknik]

These ones look ok, I make my own for my bikes and have never had any issues, I do see problems with some of the brands though.

[@katomiler843]

@@LuescherTeknik Great posts. You have taught me so much.

[@foundfoundfound1]

the best-looking carbon frame shown on this channel. still, it’s only carbon. it won’t last. it won’t survive impact. it’s only advantage as a material is weight.

[@foundfoundfound1]

Steve King you don’t know wot quality you’re getting when you buy carbon. as dirty harry said, “it’s a hell of a price to pay for being stylish”.

[@cosinus_square]

@Steve King a steel frame with carbon seat post and carbon handlebar will ride way better than both alloy and carbon. I would go for a steel fork but you can also get a carbon fork. Will outlast you in longevity as well. Loose a couple kilos off the old gut and you're golden.

[@cccpkingu]

@Panos peterpan Superlight alu doesn't survive impact either, and can hardly be repaired. It also corrodes.

[@cccpkingu]

@Steve King TI alloy outlasts everything else at least.

[@cccpkingu]

@@foundfoundfound1 You do if it is a TIME frame

[@johnsmith1474]

Sort of ahhh, um, pretty good ah sort of well ... not really bad kind of ... analysis. Play it at 1.5x to make it tolerable to listen to.