Time to Ditch That 4x12 Cabinet

[@InternetTRex]

I literally see people get excited by my 4x12 coming into the venue in a time when everything is minimized. We're still cavemen at heart, go big

[@pugforce8315]

exited? or scared lol

[@NodakSavage]

@@pugforce8315 he said excited 🤦‍♂

[@FFFRoS]

Absolutely.

[@FFFRoS]

​@@pugforce8315both is good

[@WillieStratton]

💯💯💯

[@brivington2011]

I watched this entire video and I still want my 4x12.

[@AyeBigB]

Same bro!!!

[@johnnypatterson77]

Yeah I love my 4x12

[@kangolrankin]

4×12 all the way for me

[@jeremebonesaw]

Yeah. Fuck that. You lose low end with 4x12. Even my guitar friends that have had 2x12 always went back to 4x12's .

[@digchevelle]

Same. I have a recto 412 and recently bought a recto 212. Music is all about feel for me so the 212 is going back. The 412 pushes more air and resonates too well to ever put a 212 in the same sonic ballpark. As for the weight, I have arthritis in my back and still use Les Pauls and a solid birch oversized 412 cab and I've never once complained about the weight.

[@hmm4959]

Cause standing in front of 3 4x12 full stacks makes u look cool as fuck

[@UnremarkableMarx]

Haha your pfp is John!

[@elixtido1448]

No question, but 2 has done alright by me for about about 40 years now

[@autk]

Best sound I ever had was a full stack 812. No way I'm giving up my 412, OMDB. Lol.

[@3vergiven]

Good luck trying to play shows then. No sound guy will let you play.

[@woundedmonk1884]

just get dummy cabs 👍

[@jahanwatson2423]

It’s about bass response and the dynamics, every cab has a different sound man, a 4x12 definitely sounds fuller

[@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst]

Correct!

[@markr8326]

Ah ,so the 412 has more bottom end yeah? Is that a significant amount more would you say? Thanks.

[@jahanwatson2423]

Mark R really depends on the cabs, there are some really nice 2x12s that have a full sound, but in my experience a 412 probably probably about 25% more bottom end

[@markr8326]

@@jahanwatson2423 Great, thank you!

[@markr8326]

PS. do you know which of the Marshall cabs have best speakers for bottom end ,412 or 212? I don't know much about differences in dynamics from Greenbacks to Celestion's or whatever else is available. Looking for good low end 412 cab. Thanks again.

[@michaelyolch79]

Just ONE thing you're missing here: INSPIRATION. When I'm wailing on Blues at home in my studio, there is NOTHING like a massive wall of sound inspiring me to play my heart out.

[@danfrancisjr]

sorry but.... HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH

[@urmom2594-l8d]

I have this too

[@DjEsemar]

Watching this video as I'm on the way to pick up my second 4x12

[@gregcoomer1775]

I gave up after the red frilled shirt.

[@rodriguezc125]

Watching this video after picking up a full stack 😅

[@fostexfan160]

@@gregcoomer1775 Lol.....them were the days!

[@jrizzy93]

Just got my full stack setup today while watching this haha!!

[@heyjarrod]

Me too! I got a Van Halen tribute band, so I want all the cabs. Gotta have cabs on stage to play Van Halen. 🤘🏻😝🎸🇺🇸

[@alexandertorrente198]

Plot twist: he is a bassist.

[@ManBunMetalHead]

Shit, you're on to me

[@koihaiavailable]

@@ManBunMetalHead 😂🤣

[@konstantinzarkovic7567]

8x10 goes brrrrrrrrrr

[@davestoneband]

Ha ha

[@Tonguendchic]

Wanna like but I dont wanna mess up the 69 likes

[@sethrichter5767]

I’ve always had issues with sound dispersion, cause I guess I’m one of the few guitarists that doesn’t want to crank up. This video actually made me want a 4x12. Thanks! 🤣

[@ibrajimenez2098]

If you gig 2-3 times a week then a smaller rig you'll love. But if you have a special one. Then getthe big guns once in a while.

[@noeffnwaypal]

0:33. Video stopped, thanks for the heads up. Have a great day!

[@paginini]

Haha thats funny as hell

[@HoustonT17]

Wish more videos would do this

[@johnk9762]

I thought the same thing so I built 2 - 2 x12 cabinets. And then I sold off the 5 - 4 x 12 cabinets that I had. I've been regretting it for a long time so I decided to build a 4 x 12. Nothing beats a wall of sound. 2 x 12's are good but they, in no way replace a 4 x 12. In my humble opinion 4 x 12 is the way to go.

[@Bones98]

4x12s have a more fuller sound. If a 2x12 had the same amount of resonance, then I might consider it.

[@BigDogDaddyD]

As a harmonica player, I just wish more guitarist would keep their guitars in tune.

[@g.koch.]

Especially Bedroom Gibson Strummers on KZbin

[@madrox4132]

@@g.koch. But I just tuned it 5 minutes ago, how is the g string already out of tune

[@sunnys3325]

But...we jus look sooo cool standing in front of a 4x12 on stage

[@seanathonhooper]

Just get a vertical 2x12 then lol

[@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst]

@@seanathonhooper Not even half as cool!

[@josepcla]

You must be a pussy if you play with only one 4x12...

[@JohnvanCapel]

There's dummy/empty 4×12 cabs you can get with no speakers in them. Or just buy a cheap cabinet, yank the speakers out, put some fake cones in there for visual effect. You'd be surprised how many rock bands do that - just hook the amp up to some dinky little 1×12 cab hidden somewhere the audience can't see it, mic that up to go into the PA, put the amp on an empty or dummy-loaded 412 for visual effect.

[@tonyme7426]

@@josepcla That was my thought also.

[@SyzygyEmbrace]

Everyone know a cabinet with 12, 2 inch speakers is the way to go 12X2 FTW

[@cardbored_]

Fk yeah, nothing beats two 12x2 stacks!

[@bobbyjones-uv5cn]

#tweeterlife

[@darrylvillamor5927]

Unless you're playing arenas. Then you GOTTA have that full 48x2 stack.

[@Powermad-bu4em]

At 2 ohms. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@cursedbyzen9510]

Watched it and bought a Marshall 1960 412 cab, no regrets.

[@StormtrooperCylon]

Actually, the best sound is always two 1960B cabs side by side. The harmonics and clarity is insane, and it even means I can turn down my master vol and I still hear myself better

[@damiang8620]

That's how I do a full stack. It sounds great in stereo! The delays ❤️

[@brianembree]

No. lol. To each their own. You're correct about the volume issue. But, I have never played a 2x12 that has the same feel as a 4x12. They're just pushing more air. The Orange PPC212 gets close but still not quite the same.

[@ManBunMetalHead]

Agreed. I'm not trying to convince everyone to switch to a 2x12 but rather let them know it is a viable option.

[@timishormusic5526]

@@ManBunMetalHead well... then why the video title is "Time to ditch that 4x12 cabinet" and not "4x12 cabinet alternatives" ?:)))

[@JB-xz6dt]

@@timishormusic5526 Click bait. Even the best of em have to do it nowadays

[@timishormusic5526]

@@JB-xz6dt yeah:))

[@chuckgearhart923]

I had a orange 212 and it was not close to a 412 it actually didn't even sound as good running it with a 412 then by it self.

[@plaguesofwrath]

4x12 cabs sound better than 2x12 cabs. Don't believe me? Mic up one of each and listen. I'll wait.

[@Mr_phil_80]

So valid! Its more about quality of sound versus the mundane and overly subjective points of view from this video. I dislike this video for it's purely opinionated "tips" rooted in speculatory garble

[@thadood4373]

@Foxbody Boogie Yeah, everything other than a 2X12 sounds amazing. You're just making a vague statement to be contrary.

[@thadood4373]

How much better? 2%? 8.5%? there are so many factors that come in to play that you're vague statement holds no weight. He got in to things that had nothing to do with sound. You can get a 2X12 to sound amazing. There are people that can make a pignose sound great.

[@thadood4373]

@@Mr_phil_80 Oh god. Mr encyclopedia. Overly judgmental internet nerds gettin triggered XD

[@petheato3291]

@Dirtypussy Tornadokick 15 def is an underrated guitar speaker. I do love my 2x12 though , play through that most of the time. I also love my 1960a cab but I kinda hate speakers pointing right at my head unless it's a gig or practice / jam situation and I can't hear anything. Then it's a life saver!

[@camjohnholtz3987]

I’m thinking a hiwatt t40/20 head with a Marshall origin 2x12 vertical cab

[@MickMod]

I absolutely agree, i used to use an Orange 4x12 and an Orange OR30, but after a while i got tired of all these issues. Now i use a Harley Benton vertical 2x12 with vintage 30s and an Orange CR120 head, and it saved my back, and my bandmates haven't complained about anything.

[@A.WebbAndFriends]

2 months ago I did a deep spring cleaning and sold a boatload of my guitar gear that I don't use much. As a matter of fact one of those items was my Peavey 6505 412 cab. I was glad to regain the space in my man-cave. Just the other day I see an almost new AMPEG 412 cab for sale and it really tempted me to buy it. THANK YOU for reminding me why I sold my previous 412 cab in the first place!! ... My wife thanks you too :)

[@CallSignJammer]

I love my 4x12. I’ll never give her up. I’ll ADD a 2x12 with unique voicing to my rig so I’ll have the option for whatever suits my mood. Shoot, I have 11 acres and I’m going to enjoy cranking my rig up to 11 in the barn whenever I want to without being sorry.

[@ericorozco4017]

Having a lot of power on acreage is my favorite memory as a teenager. 5.5 acres here in California. Blasting away in the barn. Fcken loved it!!!

[@hardcoreheavymetal]

but what if you're playing celestion greenbacks with a 100w head?

[@drewgraysonxoxopanda]

This dude with a man bun is sole reason I went out to buy two 4×12 240w cabinets, 1992 peavey 5150 120w amp, Orange Rockerverb mkiii III 100, Orange Super Crush 100watt. 😂😂😂

[@trevertrudeau405]

Have you considered 4-4x12 cabs?

[@ShiftingDrifter]

There's only one reason for large cabinets and double stacked heads... to quote Les Paul, "People listen with their eyes."

[@kevindie]

*_I just played a sold out show at Wembley Stadium with my djent-metal band using only a Fender Frontman 10G. The show got shut down because we apparently broke the sound ordinance law for being too loud. The sound guy even removed the mic to my Frontman and just let the amp blast into the crowd, but it was still too much power. Nothing we could do._*

[@alankotler9971]

4x12 days are over. I'm in my late 50's and don't need to carry a 4x12. I bought a Marshall 2536 2x12,it's the Silver Jubilee cab, 2 Vintage 30's, made of Birch Plywood, it's huge but not huge enough that i can't carry it and fit it into my trunk of my car. I could not get a 4x12 in the trunk of my car let alone lift it into the trunk without F-ing up my back. But this 2536 cabinet has lots of balls and low end. . And who ever you play out to live will NEVER notice the difference. Audiences have no clue. All they want it to have fun and drink.

[@1sttvbn]

You already gave up?

[@scottanderson6807]

“Audiences have no clue…” For shame. Never assume your audience is stupid or not perceptive. They might hear it better than you.

[@Bo88in]

What about wattage? I just blew a 2 x 12 using a 100w amp....

[@RythmTR]

When he said the Marshall 2x12 rectifier cabinet i knew i was wasting my time here thank you have a good day!

[@cardbored_]

So you’ve never misspoken?

[@RythmTR]

@@cardbored_ you never laugh? 🤪

[@TheAldoMovies]

This is the best video on truss rod adjustment I have ever seen. Thank you!

[@lueysixty-six7300]

The last two speakers were added to duo cabs [edit: to make quadboxes] back in the day to disperse the power so they wouldn't blow speakers, not to add volume.

[@josearaujo8616]

Number of speakers doesn't have anything to do with volume (DBs or SPL), first DB's don't add linearly, second you will reduce the watts going to each speaker using the same volume level, so in the end for increased volume you should use less speakers with higher SPL. More speakers = more sound distribution which is good for a venue but bad to monitor your playing. Micking cabs, is guitar voodoo more than anything, since a good producer/sound engineer can output the same sound from a guitar signal without much effort.

[@iamkevinmccarthy]

One of the best compromises might be the vertical 2x12. They're relatively hard to find but I've usually seen them as having an angled top speaking, like a half 1960A cab. More manufacturers should get behind that form factor.

[@guitarexpert2245]

I have a Marshall 1936 & just bought a 1960a & retuned it. I don't like the angle cabinet. all you hear is the bass. The rest sounds compressed not as open as my 2x12.

[@lightninginmyhands4878]

hard to find? mesa and marshall are selling vertical 212 with slanted options right now

[@guitarexpert2245]

@@lightninginmyhands4878 Those slanted cabs don't sound good very different than a horizontal one.

[@lightninginmyhands4878]

@@guitarexpert2245 what's your experience? does it involve gigging?

[@guitarexpert2245]

@@lightninginmyhands4878 yes, they are just different a B cab is thicker deeper more punch feels like. Take a look at Marshall's website on any of their 196a/b cabs it will tell you the same thing. And it's really true. But everyone is different I suppose

[@Tennis_Fan2022]

I've gigged with a full stack in small venues and it sounded awesome.

[@gtr1963]

This aint about what i need, its about what i want.. i love overkill, always have.. NEVER getting rid of my 4×12s. Ive been playing longer than this guy has been alive.

[@msaintpc]

The thing about it is, even tho the power is evenly distributed, because of the number of speakers the sound coming out the two cabs are remarkably different. The 4x12 delivers a better QUALITY of sound than the 2x12. 🙂

[@jasongoad1084]

I just switched back to a 4x12 after using a 1x12 for a while and then a 2x12. Used same amp and same location. The 4x12 sounds so much better!

[@fionncaomanac339]

Then there is us Fender combo amp players that have no plans of using any cab yet we still watch the metal heads argue.

[@AuntAlnico4]

What ? I don't get what you are trying to say.

[@PeterDad60]

@@AuntAlnico4 I have two Fender combo amps that have 410 speakers in each cab. He's saying the combo amps have speakers built into the cab, hence the name "combo-amp". Example my Fender '59 Bassman LTD. is a 410 combo amp!

[@nickomode9397]

Ok boomer

[@dildojizzbaggins6969]

*are we

[@machupikachu1085]

moar powah!!!

[@vonicrimson3619]

I play guitar through a 2x12 but for bass, I actually play live, does anyone know if 4x15 exists? Lmk

[@Dagger_323]

Sorry, but I've never played a smaller cab that has the same tonal response as a 4x12. There's different applications however for different cabinet sizes/configurations. The one-size-fits-all mentality is very short-sighted.

[@marked4death076]

Especially for some heavier music, i agree with this dude if you just playing some clean classical shit tho haha i would just roll with a 2x12 that gets loud

[@travisspaulding2222]

The big thing is application, and not necessarily what type of music you're playing, but how you are using it. You definitely notice a difference if you are playing a rehearsal with no mic, just the amp cranked up. The 4x12 is definitely more satisfying. However, if you are playing live and have a good FOH guy, he will get you sounding good in the mix, and they'll make sure you can hear yourself just fine in the monitor whether you are using a 4x12 or a 2x12. Unfortunately, I don't always play with a good sound guy, so I like my 4x12. After the 3rd time telling him to turn me up on my monitor, if he doesn't do it (you'd be surprised how many of them act like they're turning you up, but they don't) I start kicking up the volume in my amp.

[@kerryhall]

The only reason I like a full stack is so the speakers are up in the air in line with my ears. What I really need is some sort of wooden box the size of a 6x12 that is empty, then I can put a 2x12 on top of that. (Slanted cabs unfortunately don't do the trick)

[@letterpool]

So a vertical 2x12 is best of both worlds? Lightweight yet top speaker is angled as a 4x12 eliminating the need for a stand. What say you good sir?

[@ManBunMetalHead]

Hmmm, the only problem is the bottom speaker wouldn't be directed at the player. Of course, you may want that, but I prefer to have all speakers in the cabinet directed at the me. Maybe a horizontal cabinet with built in angled stand would be the ideal setup.

[@V8LC100]

I run a Mesa vertical 2x12 and a couple of points to share. 1. It is fing heavy! Not much in it by feel compared to a 1960A. 2. It’s not much smaller than a 1960A, a bit slimmer. 3. Bass response isn’t as good in this vert cab. If you want low end get the Horizontal Mesa which I had and sold and regret. 4. Even feel like I need to tilt the vertical 2x12 so I can hear it probably. Check out Jason Kui - he runs 2 x Mesa horizontal 2x12s as he says it is a bigger sound than a 4x12 plus easier to lug around no doubt. 👍

[@letterpool]

@@V8LC100 Hey thanks for the info!

[@Falling-Coffee]

For guitar I somewhat agree with this with bass I disagree heavily.

[@XxStonedImmaculatexX]

After our last gig this past weekend, I decided to downgrade my 4x12 to a 2x12. I did want a Vertical 2x12 though because I felt it would take up less side space and we all know some venues can be extremely limited on space!

[@PhuketMyMac]

I got 3 4x12 cabs after seeing this video because people listened to you and I got a good deal on them. So thanks!!!!

[@jackjamula7598]

I carry my full stack jcm800 all at the same time. Gets me pumped. 4x10 eminence loaded in each hand. Amp goes in my backpack.

[@mrspin720]

Proof we need to see it!

[@bradshannon862]

You're totally right, Man Bun! I ditched the 4x12 years ago! I've gone with 2x12 cabs and combos since the early 2000's. Not only did it help my back and wallet, I have more space! At home I rock a Laney 212, Katana artist running through my 212 Tone Tubby cab or my blackstar for desk practice.

[@brendanlucero8585]

I've used a 2x12 Mesa Road King cab that was physically heavier, as well as better sounding then most 4x12 cabs. food for thought.

[@nYdGeo]

2x12" is the same volume as 4x12" with same speakers and same power input: that is false, primarily because it does not take sensitivity into account and that fact that a single 12" speaker being powered by 50-watts is only about 10%-15% louder than the same speaker at 25-watts. I have had them all in the same room, the 4x12 is louder. All that said, who needs all that extra volume anymore? Use a 1 or 2 x12" depending on the sound you want and as you suggested, just mic it into the house.

[@kenny6920]

2 2x12's is what I actually want, stereo spread is ideal live and you don't need to crank up your amp nearly as much

[@Coolbreeze72]

I have a 4x12. 😂 It's being played in an 8'x10 room. 🤣 it's ridiculous. Not necessary, but it's aesthetically pleasing to the eye.😂

[@paulrogers6037]

I played with a guitarist who had 2 Mesa 2x12s. So easy to moderate angle and volume. During gigs, he'd have one between him and the drummer and the other at the other end of the stage. He bought them for $200 each in almost new condition.

[@dustinhamlin2333]

Good advice

[@voidist1]

Damn, that is a good idea.

[@thinkingjack]

Damn a Mesa 2x12 for 200$? *grabs mask* I’m gonna have to go “buy one”

[@autk]

We used to put one of my 412s on my side and the other on the Bass player's side. He had one 215 on my side and one on his. Best sound we ever had. And we both were barely in the mix in the FOH by mic, sometimes not at all.... because we didn't need to be. There's more than one way to mix a room and balanced sound coming off that stage is like a foundation. You cannot build your sound entirely through the FOH, imo, It's weak sauce and usually when done that way it's way too much kick drum and way too much Bass player and everything suffers. Or it's a wimpy mix that feels like a lounge act, lol.

[@AntonovichHicksenbrau]

@@autk 1000% agree

[@jsullivan2112]

What if I like the sound of a particular speaker that isn't rated high enough for the output of my amplifier? Shouldn't I then be adding more of them to balance things out? A single 30 watt speaker for a Mesa Mark IV or a Hiwatt DR103 is asking for trouble. Two 30 watt speakers is safer, but still not there.

[@tonegrail650]

I ditched my 412 for a sealed 112. I angle it back in front of me like a monitor. The sound man is happy, the band is happy and the audience is happy. I can hear as much or as little of it as I want by reaching down and twisting the volume without affecting anyone else. Our mix has never been cleaner and is still earth shakingly heavy. Just proves you don't need a heavy amp to have a heavy sound.

[@pronginator]

link me your 112.. thanks

[@therightisright8276]

🤪

[@autk]

Bollocks

[@MrPeterbennett]

I used to run HH 100 watt amp with a HH 100 watt slave amp running through four 4x12 cabs. That really rocked . Got it all in vovlo estate. I was young and strong, no problem s

[@claymahnen1307]

I was looking around a bit and the price difference between 2x12 cabs and 4x12s weren’t very different so I said screw it and got the 4x12. It looks cooler being bigger but i dont know about the sound difference would be bc it hasn’t come in yet lol. I’m linking it to a dsl40c and my 1x12 combo just can’t keep up with my buddies 4x12 Peavey and the drums. I hope it sounds a lot better!!

[@alexmojcher9]

My only disagreement here is that people at this point have no need to be going out and BUYING 412s... for those of us who already have them, keep them and add a 212! If you’ve got the space, keep it. I know dang well that I won’t be getting rid of my vintage HIWATT 412 I picked up in the early 00’s anytime soon!

[@RickyTickyTV]

The age-old argument, "You will mic it anyway" or "it's lighter". If that's the case, you might as well just run straight to PA from a Helix with zero amps. It's all about air movement.

[@Swampster70]

That's what I say when I cook up some of my diablo chili. First it's about the taste and then later it's about the air movement.

[@nightraven5760]

@@Swampster70 Lmfao

[@alankotler9971]

My Marshall 2536 cabinet has plenty of air movement. Check it out. It's huge, made of Birch but not too huge to put in a trunk of a car or carry by one self. Again, an audience will NEVER know the difference. They just want to have a good time and drink. And that's just a fact.

[@kimmolingonheimo]

@@Swampster70 OMG and hair movement !!!!!Hi mr Swampster, Im a Finnish guitarist of 54 in October, and just ended up on this comp page of speakers/writers,,,theres a 4x12 cab new for sale at Thomann web store for 200€s, Kustom brand,wheels n all so very tempting? I was thinking , 50€s per speaker, not bad, THEN /now im thinking, I bought from T a 100W Kustom amp for 200€s, are they baad quality..., time ll tell of course..., even Alber tLee talked about 4 x 10 cabinets, not 12s....., omg Im a slow one on some things: my lets say grnd ma once said about my earring: musicians have them to hear better.....she understood me better than my parents ...LOVE without Cabinets, only combos, and bands, Kimmo : )

[@thetribalist6923]

I think the type of speaker really plays a part in how it sounds, so micing a particular speaker will sound different than simply playing direct into the PA.

[@mauriceguiheen7181]

I use a 2 x 12 with my heart with Marshall and I'm very satisfied with it actually I think that you're right at the angle you'll get the same sound and actually the other two will go up towards the ceiling with a 4 table and everybody will be annoyed I'm glad I saw your video I think it's very informative and I think people should probably buy a stand like that that's a great idea

[@RickMold]

I have a ENGL 2x12 and a Mesa 4x12 (traditionnal) and I love both for different reasons. I don't plan to ditch the 4x12 :p

[@cookieman876]

I have a 2x12 with Vintage 30’s hooked you to a 20W tube head and it is almost incomprehensibly loud when at half volume. Can’t imagine needing more than this ever.

[@gypsybones4743]

What you said makes sense. I have lugged a 412 with a head for many years. I found a set of ADA 212's with celestions that sound great on stage and MUCH easier to carry. But, the wall in the studio is still full of 412's, so when some sterilization is needed anyone can plug in and melt. But they don't move anymore...

[@shanehorsley4323]

I went through three 2x12 cabs now. My current one is a Mesa 2x12 vertical with creambacks... I'm shopping for at 4x12 again. They just sound better

[@RocknJazzer]

Best compromise: use two 2x12 cabs, thats what I do.

[@vicferrari89]

Rock&Jazzer: Are you really.......Martin Barre?

[@RocknJazzer]

@@vicferrari89 no but I like his playing and own hiwatt head like him...did he use 2x12 cabs or something?

[@autk]

Martin Barre .. Legend...now I'm going to listen to Minstrel in the Gallery....all the way through!

[@jedisentinel1499]

Thanks man. I’m in the process of planning and building my rig. I’ve been playing for thirty years but I’ve never actually took the time to learn the technical side. I just played around with volumes and gains on my on my little practice amp. It’s time now to finally finding dialing in my tone. So many options.

[@marked4death076]

Problem is most dive bars and gigs aint gonna run guitar through the PA haha good luck gettin heavy with that 2x12, wish it were possible

[@nu11hed]

My experience has been the exact opposite, every dive bar I have ever been to runs me through the PA (even when we had 5 vocal mics).

[@marked4death076]

@@nu11hed damn! Shit i wish we got that treatmeant, of course i aint really done a show since 2015 so maybe the old bars now can handle it.

[@marked4death076]

@@nu11hed shit we used to play bars where we had to bring our own shitty PA haha

[@Gatecreeper69]

Good video, been a long time orange 4x12 user with my OR100. Now, we use combo amps in our doom band and I couldn’t be happier, running a 59 bassman and it holds up just as well.

[@BrooksShepherd]

I have a thought for those who own a 4x12... remove the two lower speakers in a 4x12 and keep them as backups, screw in some thin ply wood inside to cover the 2 speaker holes and now you a lighter and still cool looking angled but larger 2x12 and you don't need to buy an angled cab stand.

[@watersnortmoment3734]

But then there’s less of a wall of sound

[@-WolfMan-]

Yeah - No Thanks Love My TOWER of POWER!

[@mikeyn3611]

I used to carry 2 100 watt half stacks to all gigs. Now I’m down to a 20 watter with a 1x12 and an ox. I’m fine with it.

[@thomaspreavett6180]

Well I have have a Mesa 212 vertical it sounds awesome. But. I have a carvin 412 with Mesa v30s 16ohms @16ohm load. And sealed up. It’s a monster. My opinion! The 412 is more fuller. Although my 212 vertical is not shabby at all. I’m keeping both.

[@jimlutz6691]

I've been liking the 2X12 for a while now, nice to see someone talk about it - ***** Stars : )

[@wswartz79]

You should explain this to bassists as well... I've been telling these dudes who show up with fridge cabinets, and they ostracize me. I mean, if the venue is big enough to justify having a huge bass rig, you're running into a PA. If it's smaller and you're not running into a PA, your rig is overkill. Your rig should fit what you want for stage volume, but not bleed into every mic on the stage.

[@TempoDrift1480]

Set the mic gains accordingly and you won't have that problem. I never do.

[@wswartz79]

@@TempoDrift1480 when on small stages, where most musicians play, mix placement means nothing when the bass is overwhelming the stage, which is why a fridge is a horrible idea for amass cabinet. As for guitar, why lug around a 4x12, when a 1x12 or 2x12 will do the same thing?

[@cymatic83]

@@wswartz79 They don't do the same thing though. I've been a sound guy for many years. The difference in sound quality between a combo amp vs 212 vs 412 is obvious, and 412 cabinets always sound more full, with superior low end which means better tone regardless of volume. For small rooms, I'd love when guitar players show up with stacks because that meant I didn't need to put them through the PA hardly at all. Vocals are clear as a bell when that's the case.

[@VlxWIZzZARDxlV]

Sir you explained this so eloquently. Thank you for the straight answer.

[@FirestormAudio]

Best of both worlds is a vertical 2x12. :-)

[@johnnyguitar65]

@Guitar Heretic/*x Dude please.... I have a 100watt Blackstar head and a 2x12 vertical cab that will rupture your spleen.

[@johnnyguitar65]

@@Dagger_323 Cool story.....what does that have to do with anything I said?

[@johnnyguitar65]

@@Dagger_323 Try reading my comment....where I didn't say anything about a bigger and girthier sound....responding to a guy who said a 2x12 is for a "small apartment bedroom"....which is a ignorant statement....much like your response and reply. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit....but being a ass clown is.

[@WesleyHann-m3n]

I convinced a bro to go half cab or "1/4" stack by running my Laney Loudpedal through only two speakers on his Blackstar 4x12. Thank you for making this video. I myself am putting together a Jekyll and Hyde style rig with both a Laney DualTop head and the Loudpedal. Myths need to be debunked

[@cambell9]

I have an original jcm 900 cab. The big one, and I can hear myself just fine

[@Autofusionchannel]

Man I remember carrying the mesa 4x12 up and down the stairs when I was giging, I had some strong arms back then lol . great video

[@kevinstarofficial]

simple. if you play a 7 string you have no chance of using anything else than a 4x12. a 2x12 cant handle the right amounts of low end of a downtuned high gain sound. you would just sound castrated. i would never use anything else besides a 4x12. there's a reason why you never hear anything other than a miced 4x12 on any big recording.

[@marked4death076]

Yep haha sadly i have seen kids try to get "heavy" rolling with a couple 2x12s and not being mic'ed through the PA cuz that wasnt happening haha and although i love their effort, completely distorted and no low end

[@olympiabats4512]

dude amazing!! I did this 5 years ago. I went from a 1 x 12 to a 2 x 12. My Nick Curran had an amazing live rig with 2 x 12 and dan auerbach has that 2 x 12 marshall cab!

[@StrikeSideway]

2x12 looks good on paper but in the real world, the 4x12 wins. The only downside is the weight but beyond that it's superior in every way. It's not so much heard... but felt. Plus you don't need finicky stands. It puts your amp head at the perfect height.

[@lukebrierley4637]

What about price and the fact that it takes up a lot of space in your car? But yes the 4x12 has a bassier sound.

[@DoubleBarrelDarrell]

I agree completely. I've been struggling with a 2x12 during rehearsals for a year, and finally picked up a 4x12. It's a huge difference in tone, thickness,and being able to cut through the sound. And yeah, it's heavier, but that what taking care of yourself and lifting weights is for. Strength is not an issue when you train for it. lol

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

I remember playing a gig with a Marshall full stack (a JCM800, 2 1960 cabinets), and even with the volume on 10 it still couldn't really compete with the drummer for volume. They're not as loud as you think. And I've played some tiny amps - even combos - that have been terrifyingly loud. Size does not equal volume.

[@01hondascott]

its all about the looks baby, nothing looks more rock and roll than a tower of speakers lol

[@FatSynthDude]

I don't, but I've got the Synergy, so there's different speakers on top and bottom, so I've got more options for miking.

[@EuropeSomewhere]

I put my combo on my 2x12 and it’s like a stand and a stack at the same time. Having a variety of speakers and cabinet sizes is also great. I actually think the 4x12 ironically is probably best for home applications these days due to the reasons stated. Nice vid!

[@devinitjen266]

I am getting back into playing. I need something that is loud enough to play in a band if I decide to get into one, but still work as a practice amp. I got a large 1x12 cab with a g12h-100 in it and am ordering a 50w JCM 900 1x12 combo to sit on top of it. You basically just said what I was thinking anyway. The ease of transporting this setup made it a no brainer.

[@imnickMF]

The reason I use 4x12’s is because people are selling them dirt cheap. Plus works great for rehearsals.

[@patrickstefurak3124]

A 30" vertical 212 cabinet in a road case with 6" wheel board works well for me. At the gig I place the cab on the case (66" total height). With the top speaker at ear level, the sound seems louder and brighter. Turning the volume and treble down improves what the microphone captures. Since the amp seems louder when standing in front of it, but is actually quieter than when on the floor, nobody complains about my volume. I adjust my monitor mix by standing closer or further from the speaker. The cab in the case is smaller and lighter than a 412, protected during transport, and rolls on stage. I like it.

[@HighSpeedirt1]

My heads and 4x12 cabs stay in the man cave. If I was out gigging there are plenty of combo amps available today that can do the job.

[@patrick7799]

4 12 may not sound different from 2 12 but what I want to know does a 12 size speaker even have good sound ?

[@Nathan_Jay]

Me, trying to build a 4x 12 for my digital pipe organ: 👁️👄👁️

[@dyamicorriveau9677]

thanks to this video, I just bought a Marshall 4x12 in great condition for 300 dollars. Thanks king.

[@dinmorerlidtsej3169]

Can't you just buy both?

[@jonathantom8425]

Kallealle ok rich kid

[@guitarexpert2245]

I have a Marshall 2536 2x12 Marshall Vintage speakers bought a used 1960av cabinet. Had so much more bass however it sounded like crap. It sounded compressed with no midrange. I'm guessing it's the slant cabinet. I kept it for 2 weeks wanting to love it but in the end returned it back to Guitar Center. I wish I could find a B straight cabinet with v30's.

[@KARAYAmetal]

I just the same cab. 2536A 2x12. Which one did you return though I got a little confused there

[@realreally5927]

I recently went to a 2x12 for gigging (well just one gig then covid hit arrrrgggg !!! ) and thought it was just as good as my 4x12 and so much easier to carry. This dude totally right... i leave my 4x12 at the studio we practice at. Sounds awesome too .

[@frankieciccarelli5044]

Hey man! Apropos to this, and maybe a controversial question: would a 200w open back 212 combo be as loud as a 200w head and 212 cab? Secondary question: would the combo mentioned above be suitable for metal gigging, whether mic'd or not?

[@ToneKnee17]

Switched to a 2x12 5 years ago and never looked back. My back thanks me.....

[@patkilgore3603]

Very good points made in this video. I agree! The whole "Wall of Sound" concept is very cool, as long as you have a crew to load in, set up, load out. I haven't had that luxury in quite a while. (Although I still love my 412s). I've been playing on stage for 50+ years, and I've figured out what works for me (with me being my own road crew). I run a BE-100 / 212 cab and it's plenty loud enough w/ enough chunk. You're carnage may vary!!

[@prestonlasater5216]

mic'ing a 1x12, 2x12 or 4x12 with the exact same amp and speaker will still produce a different sound. The cabinet creates a "back pressure" that adds to the fullness of the sound... even on 4x12 vs a different 4x12 in dimensions and build (materials used, etc...) Seriously... Try it out... I'll wait...

[@clovergrass9439]

I just bought 2 vintage Fender 2x12 vertical cabs. Freakin amazing paired with any of my blackface heads...bandmaster, tremolux, bassman or showman.