Timmy Gets Frustrated After Dezignful Not Listening and Throwing The Game

[@sethgibson4497]

Bro is Igl. They need to follow Timmy’s lead, whether he is right or wrong.

[@garrymiller3171]

Timmy isn't an igl

[@Greeey]

@@garrymiller3171doesn’t matter how you feel about his skills as an igl. He is the official igl of the team

[@ashketchum3441]

@@Greeey also clever IGL take suggestion from his teammates in moments of lesser clarity.

[@cubanmissl3818]

@@ashketchum3441not when is the ending just listen

[@Prophiq]

Hard to listen to an igl constantly stuttering. Wastes a lot of time. Wasn’t bad here, but he usually sounds very panicked comms-wise

[@jacobclark2410]

Screw the comms zoom in on the map, Timmy tells gen "we're on our way" dez FULL HEALTH just goes the other way like I'm not helping. He did NOTHING in that fight

[@klobite]

yea wtf was that all about

[@jacobclark2410]

I'm telling u Dezign is just blatantly not listening he seems like the person that's either his way or chaos

[@xSirenityTVx]

he was ready for the 3rd party extra early

[@jacobclark2410]

@@xSirenityTVx so much that he missed the first party lol

[@Evrgreens11]

Yeah it’s crazy how the comment section is clearly ignoring this. Timmy makes a call at 4:05 saying “we need to walk up now” and gen goes first then timmy behind him BUT DEZ DOES NOT FOLLOW AND RUNS THE OTHER WAY 😂😂😂😂

[@LordlyUri]

bro i would have lost it turning around and dezign is just sucking his thumb

[@FrEDo507]

You could feel through the screen how pissed he was lol

[@jns08d]

I was SICK lmao

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

Dude I was actually mad when I saw that

[@xSirenityTVx]

that random solo q watching you fight

[@NMBC.]

yeah when i saw that i was about to crash out for him LMAOO

[@Mach5_]

I feel like this was actually a healthy disagreement with good dialog towards the end, at least compared to some of the clips of them. Timmy admitted he made confusing comms with the “wall” callout, but also still addressed the issue that Dez should have known to auto-throw his Q after the bubble fell.

[@Raumance]

I mean Timmy called it as well but Dezign is just so slow.

[@lovell7491]

if you go back, he said newcastle q in the same sentence as saying wall so it shouldnt have been that confusing

[@christopherpitts3941]

@@lovell7491 I agree he did call for a new castle q and why did dezign run away from tht last fight at full hp instead of helping timmy finish the lastguy 2 v3 there is winnable and Gen may even have no gotten knocked if Dezign was there to support him Gen did get a lil too frisky pushin lik tht but Dezign at least should have been there when timmy pusshed

[@izodiac8913]

bro are you stupid!? Dezign is a dumbshit player that's it

[@Emelyooo]

@@Raumance but even a casual player knows he meant Q since NewCastle ult is on cooldown and they're saving Cata ult for closing ring. That was 100% on Dezign.

[@392Drip]

4:19 Gen clearly Coms to APE, Last guy. Dez literally goes the opposite direction during the whole whole fight?!?! Look at the mini map, Dez runs from the fight leaving Timmy to get killed. What is Dez doing?????

[@Greeey]

Same thing he always does, we’ve seen it a hundred times by now

[@sojmike4761]

Yep he's sitting by himself ..not even close..he basically said f you I ain't pushing that

[@DoNothingCrazy]

that shit pissed me off so much. I agree with gen, 8/10 times you int in final 3 on last zone youre just playing for second place really. However there were some key moments when dezign just didnt give a fuck about timmys coms and tried his own thing that i can understand timmy's distress thinking they couldve won that bc if they played with more unity maybe he couldve seen a winning option. also some dezign moments that pissed me off 1. timmy coms to play a wall he found and dezign is just running at a team solo with a q and gets knocked causing timmy to need to bub to res him. 2. design not putting q down fast enough in last zone after timmy commed it and causing timmy to go down. Theres such a necessity to time bub, newcastle q and newcastle wall that we saw the team in the shack they pushed do perfectly but with dezign tunnel visioning so much theres no way

[@davidferrer678]

Dez has shown to be like this before. He’s good when things are perfect but he’s always the one not understanding comms, not pushing, or like this situation just not going in the right direction

[@Emelyooo]

@@DoNothingCrazy YEEES, we clearly saw how the team on the shack cycled their skills to hold off any push. There is 0 excuse for Dezign there.

[@zericroth1]

When Newcastle Ultimate is called "wall", when Newcastle Mobile Shield is called "wall", and when Catalyst Ultimate is called "wall", I can see how it can be confusing on the comms. They need more clear commed labels for each one

[@imadonistv1178]

He said cat wall in the beginning

[@emuvarke7687]

he literally said before wall castle Q, idk what can be so confusing about that, if people dont use context clues that is on them, i felt like it was pretty clear on which wall they meant

[@edit4fun722]

nah they call gib shield is bubble

[@zino7618]

man said q thats clear enough

[@cartixio]

seen other teams refer to castles wall as slam instead

[@enriqueg1462]

It's very very simple: "Listen to your IGL"

[@ctieco3549]

Gnasty sums up what they should of done. “Even if it’s the wrong decision you follow through, if I say jump you say how high”

[@chrissilva9101]

This. Even if you have a "better idea" it's irrelevant you can't win in pros fighting your IGL

[@zaikoiwex]

Gold teammates can listen to IGL better than pro players.

[@ortega9156]

LOL JESUS. I've never seen a team do 3 different things at once. Timmy is saying to chill out, genburten is rushing in solo, and design is just straight up running away. Oh my god

[@chrissilva9101]

Timmy was calling to fight the team on the left and pushes up first Gen was just trying to make the play and it was a 2v1 Dez should have been in there helping finish the last guy or sticking the rez and dropping tac. Timmy was saying chill but he just meant keep calm. Only one player was in the wrong there

[@ortega9156]

@chrissilva9101 Chill definitely doesn't mean run in by yourself. I promise he didn't want Gen to do that

[@chrissilva9101]

@@ortega9156 Timmy had the first guy 1 shot and was in it so I wouldn't say he was by himself. He was definitely a little aggressive but he was just trying to make the play before the cat wall dropped and their side was exposed. I still say they win that if Dez is with them. Gen committed to play the IGL called, maybe he over committed a bit all I'm saying is only one guy was out there doing his own thing

[@chrissilva9101]

@@ortega9156 and he did say to chill when they got ult'd but he was saying they'd have to fight the team on the left and Timmy was first to engage. Again not saying Gen played it perfectly but he was listening

[@ortega9156]

@@chrissilva9101 The point was to hold them and all be full health for the next 3v3. Not trade knocks

[@raekeemfairley5344]

This is such a simple fix…it’s clear gen and dezign don’t trust timmy enough to make calls…. Everyone is trying to make a call or think of a play. If they just trusted timmy they wouldn’t all be talking and he might be able to get a complete thought out. Everybody knows a bad play with everyone on the same page is better than a good play with only 1or 2 people. They keep talking about all the what ifs…. What If you just listened to the igl and then discuss after about it being a good or bad play

[@chrissilva9101]

I disagree Gen offers a healthy amount of rebuttal in coms but ultimately does what his IGL asks and tries to make the play work. Dez just does what he wants if he disagrees or takes too long to think, making the plays too late then blames the call. Gens banter and Timmy IGL'ing isnt the problem here

[@JayJJosh]

@@chrissilva9101 He actively threw this game though, Timmy wanted to play slow after the first knock on the stairs but gen decided to w key after getting another guy low (He did shit on them but they would have gotten second no matter what they did since gen was down and Timmy didn't even get the kill on the solo leaving Dez to need to 1v1 then 1v3). If he had listened they could have won since that other team was pushing the building and had fought the 2v3 while Timmy and them get to full reset.

[@shaunmiller442]

@@JayJJoshagreed. Well said. This makes me appreciate my team. They always just do what I say and then we talk about it afterwards.

[@chrissilva9101]

@JayJJosh nah bro Timmy says we need to push up now they move up and get the knock, Timmy pops a cell to get full shield but Dez is right next to Gen at the top of stairs fully healed. If he trusts his teammates, Dez pushes up with Gen as Timmy pops the cell, Gen gets the 2nd knock and either doesn't go down and it's now a 3v1 or he goes down and Dez can Newcastle rez or fight it as a 2v1 with a fully healed Timmy who then has bubble. Instead what happened is Timmy says push up, they get the knock, Timmy pops a cell and Gen pushes and Dez who's at the top of stairs next to Gen just backs up for no reason leaving Gen solo to trade knocks and even did some damage to the third and Timmy pushes in to try and save the play but is also alone. That should have played out differently but Gen didn't throw that Dez did. Gen knew they had to finish that before a rez and before cat wall dropped because their spot sucked Timmy called to fight them. It was aggressive but again it was Dez backing off and leaving his teammates alone because he didn't like the call that fucked that all up.

[@chrissilva9101]

@@JayJJosh I'm telling you Gen and dez push that together Dez gets the newcastle rez if they need it, drops his tac and timmy comes in for clean up duty fully healed and hopefully gives Gen enough time to pop a bat and they have a chance at the W. Sitting back was not the call Timmy made

[@Skull5604]

They paired up two literal saints along with arguably one of the most toxic mfs lmao this is quite the team

[@dropz285]

lmao it's so true.

[@someguydoingtheinternetgood]

literal saints, lmao youre gay

[@GotDamBoi]

I wouldn't call genburten a saint lol

[@xaviermorales7849]

@@GotDamBoi me neither but in comparison to Dez, he's for sure more of a saint in terms of attitude and ego lmao

[@HS-ts5wf]

@@GotDamBoi He's up there for sure in comp apex in terms of overall 'chillness' haha

[@SkySwann94]

At this point, I might have a shot at going pro with how much I've seen Dezignful screw up.

[@Cruckavens777]

I legit feel like i could do better bro wtf he literally ran away😂

[@cooperseymour8905]

@@Cruckavens777ehh it’s the right call both his teammates went down he’s forced to go for second you want points in a tournament, securing second is better than stuck with third correct? Lmao

[@KingBLUCK]

​@@cooperseymour8905uhm no? He's not even fighting with his team at 4:19 but sure I guess him looking at Narnia is the right call.

[@ganeagahari]

@@KingBLUCK it guarantees second so it's not a bad thing. it was just fucked when dezign didn't q and then even more fucked when both timmy and dez didn't push with gen.

[@FilthyFaux]

The biggest mistake i saw here was gen apeing that team in final building even when timmy was yelling to play slow. If gen doesn't rush in there then they reset on back stairs while the winning team flanks that building and cleans up third place then they have a straight 3v3 or maybe even better a 3v2 if the other teams trade. was disappointed to see immediate blame go to dezign there. not saying he wasn't at fault but I think the immediate frustration should have definitely gone to gen because now this exchange just goes further to the narrative that design is the scapegoat of the team and takes blame for every mistake.

[@youngriles1419]

Fleck dezign, even though u correct ngl. But his ego too big for this team, Timmy is selfless but to me is undeniably the best player on the team and I feel like dez doesn't give him total control of shot calling because he usually is the igl and on top of that gen has a lot of experience as well and he admits that he aped but igl wise he takes a backseat and gives suggestions. I think they should drop dez and pick up enemy and they would be cooking, minimum they would be better cause of their chemistry.

[@xaviermorales7849]

@@youngriles1419 that's the thing, they have to play with Dez in order to get a guaranteed spot in champs or w.e, they'd have to pick up Enemy and start from the bottom and make their way back up to champs. That's a lot to ask and or do considering teams are stacked nowadays. Even if they plow thru the comp, they'd still have to make their way back. I do agree however, Dez is not a good player for comp. He's great overall but his attitude and his ego will always be the downfall of every team he's blessed to be on imo..

[@youngriles1419]

@@xaviermorales7849 true. Healthy discussion bro, this was nice

[@angelsaucedo2231]

Yes twice gen aped on his own. Which is so weird cause in falcons zero would tell him watch our backs and dude would SIT while zero and Hal were fighting and he wouldn’t budge.

[@humansnotbots-y8l]

I think he might have felt pressured that they didn’t have any other play, definitely jumped the gun. Dez sold it for sure by counter-calling and threw the pacing off to begin with, which basically melted the game plan that Timmy was laying out🤔

[@johnnysilver5866]

Crazy when other teams say shit like “I knew that was 100T because of the dumb ass shit dezign is always doing” - I’ve heard this on multiple pro’s streams

[@zino7618]

well 1 gen overextended after the first knock and design didnt exist

[@chrissilva9101]

Gen definitely got a little too excited but he wanted to make the play before the cat wall dropped and their side was exposed. If they finish the team fast they get some cover in that building so it was a mistake but not unreasonable. Ignoring your IGLs call and doing nothing (not pushing the last guy 2v1 and not trying to stick the rez and drop tac) is just unacceptable Dez is toxic

[@zino7618]

@@chrissilva9101 100% agree

[@aldennis123]

7-8 seconds went by before Dez decided it was time to throw his shield after the bubble went away. Timmy is right on this one. Thats far too long. No need for him to take any damage let alone go down. That cost them so much time otherwise spent on making the play they needed to make.

[@daegoe]

All three had issues here I think. Gen was too aggressive, Timmy’s call was, I believe, not good, and dezign was literally not at the fight

[@blondie5910]

Timmy seems way more demonstrative and making sure he’s giving clear comms not just one word. This is huge because it was a weak point mentioned in the Apex podcast. Mad respect for him ALREADY making a change. He may not be the best IGL right now but he can definitely get there

[@upon-fe2720]

I don't know why he persists on wanting to be one, he should concentrate on becoming a top fragger. I was up for watching this journey with him but I'm not seeing anywhere near enough in endgames, he still freezes and hesitates, the contrast between him and real leaders in the game is stark. Leaders are born, not made, and this is a great example of that. I love Timmy, I just think he's causing himself more grief than if he let go of the idea altogether.

[@danielblackburn9012]

I really wish the design would stop playing professionally. I have been the conductor of his hate train but it’s seriously getting ridiculous how hard he literally counter calls everyone and then proceeds to literally throw shit harder than a gorilla.

[@spacethefnsboi1969]

Timmy is a good IGL for late game. He understands space and how to win because of positioning

[@cooperseymour8905]

That’s actually the complete opposite lol Timmy is good for early game because he knows the zone pulls, and zone is what’s in meta not edge, but dezign is actually the better late game igl lol you said the complete opposite of what he was

[@kylees.7287]

Honestly when i heard timmy was getting back to the dojo i was hoping its be him and enemy. Dezignful just doesn't listen and sells a lot. He does have good moments but i wouldnt be surprised if gen or timmy leave in the next couple of months.

[@perlenbacher6788]

at this point, Dezign is a stone weighing the team down. Always had a problem with that dude. Seems like such a child

[@zephrflux1673]

Wait what ?? The design Timmy stuff isn’t working ??? Who could’ve predicted this 😮

[@ValueHaven-y1u]

Even if what design saying is the better play he threw the game the moment you stop listening to the igl is when you ruin the team chem after that it doesn’t matter what the better play is you’re losing, discuss the better play after the game and in game just listen to the igl

[@wltaloof3747]

I think its way harder than u make it out to be. If u know of the way to win the game, but ur igl calls another play which u know sucks, which one are u gonna do?

[@ValueHaven-y1u]

@ if im in a pro team in a professional game im following the igl and im gonna be focused on my role and then we talk about the better play afterwards like the dude is my igl if im counter comming obviously its gonna cause the comms to be bad the better play isnt worth it if your ruining the chemistry and flow of the game

[@wltaloof3747]

@ValueHaven-y1u wat u said is correct. But how many times does it take for it to becomes the igl's fault? There has to be a certain point where the fault lies in the igl's incompetence and not just blame dezign? And u shouldnt be saying "if im in a pro team". It should be "if im a pro in a pro team". These are 2 diff viewpoints

[@lumine4056]

Bruh, gen threw this so bad. Timmy say "play safe" and he pushes alone.

[@Ysmfr]

Gen run into the house alone and Dezign went to right outta fucking nowhere, Timmy's "becoming imperialhal" arc is finally starting

[@-playmaker-2734]

Timmy doesn't have the respect of an IGL you can tell based on how many times he has to tell them to listen to him

[@striderman-]

Ive never seen dez and gen for that matter, be so calm and sit back and take feedback like this before, they must really be focused and it also shows how much respect they have for timmy

[@cody50494]

Overall a good team talk. Nice to see an apex team talk it out without screaming at each other.

[@tsubasakazanari6116]

It is so funny to see a bunch of people blaming Dezign in the comments when it is CLEAR that Gen and Dezign are on the same page in the end game. Timmy is one of the greatest MnK players, but that doesn't automatically make him a good IGL.

[@elijahdinkins7556]

@@tsubasakazanari6116 it’s hard to igl when your whole team doesn’t listen gen and Timmy both pushed a fight they we half forced into and when they actually took the fight dezign completely disregarded all calls made prior to said fight and fails to help in the fight and just stays put while the other 2 push and tries to 1v3, they simply don’t listen to their igl, his calls weren’t bad the execution was

[@brooklynsavagez449]

Tbh the only reason they didn’t get knocked sooner was because Timmy made A quick read and stopped them from trying to play the match like pubs 😂 they were trying to ape every team while Timmy was coordinating the next move. Notice Timmy playing for cover and survivability & finding routes they can push through 99% of the clip, tbh Dezign shouldn’t play Cat after seeing his pathfinder ziplines 🤣

[@casanova0342]

Timmy is trying to speak over people who have to listen to him

[@joelamesbury4551]

Timmy isn't a good igl. getting bounced out of a 4th round of BLGS against challenger circuit teams clearly showed that.

[@JtotheDoubleL]

@@elijahdinkins7556 bro timmy said play slow and then Gen screamed to ape, by your logic, Dezign did nothing wrong bc he listened to his igl

[@lxqch]

4:30 i understand he's really good but once i saw bro 1 million meters away I would've instantly dropped him, that game was so winnable

[@lxqch]

I don't even play apex and even I know they could've won that game if he was there

[@JtotheDoubleL]

Timmy is at fault here. He's the one who needs to calm down. He gets flustered so easily. Gen and Dezign seemed fine especially Dezign, he was cool as a cucumber generally asking Timmy what the plan is and Timmy was just fumbling over his words and his calls. Also they need better comms for whats a "wall". Timmy said play slow and then Gen said ape and dezign listened to his igl and didnt ape. Gen got them killed and Timmy wasnt able to communicate the plan CLEARLY.

[@mzshanee]

It’s hard when you’re having to consistently communicate over people and/or ppls counter calling all the time. He literally had to tell them STFU multiple times so he can finish his comms.

[@Igor69420]

They should kick dezignful out and find a new teammate this type of stuff happens every time they play it’s not going to work out

[@richardlee5412]

Dezign made a few mistakes, but mistakes will always happen, none of them cost the game (he got rezzed immediately). Gen played too aggressively in the end, he could've waited a little longer for Timmy's tempo. As for the Q, Timmy should have used the time in the bub to communicate the need to cycle shields to stall a little longer since that was his vision he explained afterwards; like he should've said "CYCLE Qs" or "GET READY TO SHIELD" instead of "CALM DOWN CALM DOWN", few precious seconds wasted which led to the mistake Timmy is focusing on, but again minor mistakes, got rezzed and healed immediately. In conclusion, no individual really threw the game, just the culmination of small mistakes that eventually costed a placement. Naturally, an individual small mistake hardly matters, but in the hardest lobbies in the world the small discrepancies between what each player is envisioning as the play can create a multiplying effect that worsens the consequences of a few small mistakes. I'm actually just most frustrated by the title of this video, fanning Dezign hate flames for more clicks.

[@qwertyg3666]

dezign thinks hes so smart but he's a muppet

[@robinleveillet193]

i cant see this team working out ... they've had countless discussions about the same issues over and over again and nothing is changing

[@recon12803]

compared to some of the other clips I've watched from this team this is a lot tamer and glad to see dezign not deflecting criticism immediately. overall the environment is a lot more productive

[@diend3388]

idk why but im so enjoyed when watching timmy, gen and mande scrims better then with dezign

[@boomzai6561]

how is it everytime i watch this team timmy the IGL the last one to talk in and after the game

[@smoke14wins]

Wild to think tha they cant replace dez and get better results while having more fun

[@Flibbitigibet]

timmy is such an excellent player who has adapted to the pro playstyle phenomenally. unfortunately because of his content creation origins and previously more outspoken teammates he's been overshadowed and not given nearly enough credit and sadly even his own teammates can fall into that habit sometimes of not listening or trusting him. but timmy IGL'ing is a good move and he's a good player, they just need to learn to listen to the new IGL (whoever it is) when they change it

[@Bryan36985]

I'm sorry but that immediate Q after Gibi went down is crazy 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

[@jasonmerrill8917]

Timmy: "Play slow, play slow, play slow." Gen: "Let's Ape!" Runs in and dies. Timmy: "This is your fault Dezign!"

[@RootyTootTootin]

And how did they get in that situation in the first place genius?

[@CrimsonGuard34]

watch the minimap from 4:18 till they die. no comms from design at full, he just does a 180 and leaves timmy to dry.

[@Greeey]

He said play slow but he also said we have to fight the left team

[@iseelondon6202]

Timmy waited SO long to rush the left team, they wasted cat ult and lost Newcastle ult getting shot from both teams. Timmy was trying to be calm and Gen and Design were aware of what was going on, but both had to slow themselves down just to wait for Timmy's late call.

[@HS-ts5wf]

Because he didn't want to rush the left team in the first place. Duh. He was comming so hard to go right the whole time.

[@Not____Applicable]

Rushing the left team wasn’t necessary they still could’ve played the stairs that’s what you don’t understand.

[@MsPango123]

Timmy was literally saying play it slow because they dont need to kill that team. They just had to wait it out and the team's literally dead. It was on Dez and Gen. Dez literally ignoring Timmy's "NC Q" comm and Gen literally soloing the team and ignoring Timmy's "play it slow" comm.

[@JtotheDoubleL]

Timmy couldnt get the words out bc he was the one who needed to calm down and speak clearly.

[@vohbe]

They didn’t listen to a thing he said the entire time. You got dumb and dumber on the same squad😂 poor Timmy

[@GersonPeña-t4o]

Timmy doing the IGL intensive course with this guy, he never listens and why he was so far away from the fight.

[@STREETSREPORTED]

5:11 Timmy is right in this one because he needed to full heal and that made him have to waste his bubble after being rez

[@FranciscoLopez-lo1qg]

I swear Timmy just needs to say to Q sooner because that was super confusing. I’m sure from Dezign pov he’s not thinking that he’d need to use Q since they both (Timmy and Dezign) thought walling right was the right play. Timmy just needs to gain control of the team if he wants to IGL and not spend the entire time spamming “just listen,” when he isn’t making proper comms

[@candi_appel]

how many times is dezign going to *not* listen to his IGL before he gets the boot for someone who does?

[@skjor1989]

I'd love to see timmy with new and upcoming pros that will actually respect his decision making regardless of the result. There is no IGL on this fucking game that can be correct more than 60% at the time, but anything is possible if you play together,

[@haimduRAGE]

so simple, just work as a team but no he wants to be a hero, this how you lose tournaments. its all about winning

[@MrStafford91]

Yea looking back and and seeing Dezign just back chilling end game is crazy. He said q to the right, only one with a q that's worth a damn, is Newcastle here, q right got damnit

[@Scott74921]

Dez could've just pulled Gen up and give him a Q to reset or just join Timmy in the building to ape the "last guy". Dez did none of that, instead he ran in the complete opposite direction making it a complete 2v3

[@AintPopular]

Gens play was waay to aggressive

[@vertigoEdits]

yeah gen fucked it

[@JblountSZN]

Nah not really. Confused on why it took timmy soo long to follow and help. Also wtf was Designz even doing, he didn’t help a lick

[@vertigoEdits]

lol zipp why am i shadowbanned from your comments

[@mzshanee]

@@JblountSZNhe was healing on the stairs. Dez was full health and didn’t help. Lmao.

[@painlessly_bc]

they both messed up in that wall scenario- dezign took too long and timmy is jiggle peaking with a bat in his hand. crouch and stay crouched.

[@MrGorgoholic]

good calls, this is grinding..

[@hanhdrew]

their biggest issue is they dont play together. their synergy is bad. just listen to timmy hes the igl even if his call is wrong a bad play can work if you play together and the right play wont work if no one plays together

[@Iamyourshooter76]

Bro everytime Timmy makes a bad call he just throws dezi under the bus

[@kyo1860]

So true 😂

[@Traceurmintrix]

Because even if it’s a bad call you don’t just ignore it and do your own thing. This is scrims. This is when Timmy needs to learn from his mistakes and they can talk about it after. We’ll have no idea if they win if they all go left because dez just constantly counter calls and just decides even in a moment like that, that he’s not going to listen which is the sure fire way to lose there even if left is a bad decision. What’s worse is going somewhere entirely different, on your own.

[@Iamyourshooter76]

@ bro if I’m the leader it’s up to me to take responsibility for my mistake and my calling the point of a leader is to use all info to make the best call. If dezi is telling you something and gen is telling you something and you complete say no and say do it my way that’s not a good igl. Even the best igls like Hal, sweet and zero listen to their teammates to some extent. Timmy dragging it bro and it’s getting lame

[@Traceurmintrix]

@@Iamyourshooter76 They gave that suggestion, Timmy listened, and decided against it. Being a good IGL isn’t always making the best calls all the time, there was other calls during this clip where Timmy listened and decided to do what they said but when an IGL makes a call, you follow it. If you want a sure fire way to die, it’s just sitting on your own whilst the rest of your team fights someone else. Dez is constantly counter calling so I imagine it’s incredibly difficult to know when to listen and when to not, else at a certain point dez is just the IGL.

[@sirguac]

Bro is still playing with him, he’s making the team fail

[@-DeZiRe-]

They were confusing each other. First they said right side. Then dezign said fight left be he went right. Right side was the better option eventually. They had way more space. Timmy has no authority over the team.

[@Frankenbeans_V2]

They need to shut up and listen to itztimmy he obviously had a had plan but they just kept shouting. He’s igl for a reason.

[@cooperseymour8905]

“He’s igl for a reason” you want to know that reason? It’s not because he’s a great igl or even a good one, it’s because dezign is a edge igl and the meta isn’t shifted for edge it’s shifted for zone atm, and dez isn’t as familiar with zone compared to Timmy who was in moist for a few months so had to play zone. Timmy’s not igl because he’s good he’s igl because the meta shifted. He said himself that it was between him and gen because they knew zone but dezign is a better igl with more experience but experience for edge and not zone so it wouldn’t work out. Also Timmy’s igl for zone callouts but Timmy and dez are co igls atleast that was the original plan they stated when they joined back up together

[@Cflive04]

If gen doesnt clean up like he did id be pissed. But he literally 1v2’s and does so much damage. His push wasn’t right but if they do push when he knocks the 2nd player its a 1v3, wipe that team and have a 3v3. Playing in the moment sways momentum of how they should’ve played into a different scenario.

[@-DeZiRe-]

During the time with disguised it went pretty well with Timmy and dezign. What happened.

[@KalexVII]

Might be because we are watching from Timmys POV but he naturally sounds panicked half the time, then yells ''STOP PANICKING'' Like, just tell them to do stuff beforehand, LIKE AN IGL WOULD. 3:28 Just simply say, tac wall after bubble, then wall right, instead of saying ''Listen listen listen'' when the bubble is about to go out, like, Dezign has every right to believe that they can live behind the wall for some time to buy a tiny bit of time, and then Timmy dies because he can't coordinate fast

[@mzshanee]

He shouldn’t have to teach Dez to castle Q after bub in that situation. How many scrims have they played with this meta? You’re telling me he hasn’t learned that? Lmao. That’s tuff.

[@KalexVII]

What do you mean? the coordination between Gibby and NC utility is everything, ESPECIALLY in their position. If Dezign wasted a tac right after bubble when Ult wall was down, then that's just a throw, in hindsight, it was needed, but beforehand, it's clear that they can still sit behind the wall for some time. Regardless, Timmy needs to be communicating what he wants to happen *clearly* rather than sounding panicked himself.

[@mzshanee]

@ the timing from Q and Bubble is perfect. Once bub goes down, Q goes up. By the time Q goes down, Gibby alrdy has bub back. That’s how OP it is currently for the two combo. That’s why everyone’s playing the two, and that’s why as a pro player, Dez should’ve known that.

[@KalexVII]

@@mzshanee But that just isnt true... there is a small time where both tacs are on cooldown, Dezign had the right idea to save it for a moment since they still had cover behind the wall, Timmy got melted because he's not coordinating his team properly and standing in the open when bub drops.

[@mzshanee]

@ idk, I understood him perfectly fine. Even tho, Dez and Gen both kept talking over him, EVERY time he started to explain next steps. The time is so minuscule, he def could’ve used castles tac.

[@dantesos7564]

I've been following these guys for a while. On separate teams and together... THERE IS A CLEAR COMMUNICATION ISSUE that they continue to refuse to address. They can never get out of their own damn way. Its ridiculous that all this time later they are still struggling with basic comms. Its just stupid.

[@furorr25]

Calling "wall" 75 times when talking about an environmental wall, a cat wall, a newcastle wall, a bubble and a mobile shield is insane

[@kylehills8731]

He did also call it a Q multiple time so at that point Dez should have clicked since gens Q ain't doing shit in that instance

[@supdawg7811]

I agree with the people saying that this was overblown (and I think Gen deserves most of the blame here, if anyone does), but I want to point out that I do think Dezign had played pretty proactively and used his abilities largely well. One of them was a single second late in a confusing scenario. This is better than before.

[@jupiterlawyer]

The pros get to play E-District while we are stuck with Worlds Edge. Not good

[@NativeKayKay]

play customs? lol

[@branhub]

love or hate timmy but i've never seen him lose his cool in all these years

[@Highskill3r]

calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down he said calmly

[@DEATHSTROKE195]

dez did his job (hes the anchor it isnt his prio to ape with them) other then not putting wall down right when bubble expired he assumed they could clean up and didnt want to give up position to do it which is probs the right play also timmy said to play slow lol

[@skjor1989]

4:25 lmao dezign playing solo queue

[@tinor9591]

Absolutely devious title

[@G-san-desuyo]

the bubble goes down, the entire team is practically in the open, regardless if the igl already said throw the Q down and cat wall right or not - your fking getting hamemred in the open just throw the damn q down lol

[@Jesus-hf2zo]

they dropping dezign the nano second that champs are over

[@mankekyosharigan]

Bro get rid of dez already

[@Jancomm23]

They can't

[@vee9134]

they cant because dez and timmy holds the LAN spot as a duo

[@ssstrbryyy]

​@@vee9134 isnt it dez and bronzey not timmy

[@Jancomm23]

@@vee9134 also roster lock, they are locked in for champs they can't change the team. Would need to play with sub

[@FreshGuits]

Dez has 100% better call outs and a more calm and direct way of giving info and directions. He was one win away from a major ALGS land trophy.

[@hkteru.2404]

Newcastle Ultimate should call "wall" and Mobile Shield should call "castle q" or "your q" Catalyst Ultimate call it "black wall" or "cat ult"

[@sethgibson4497]

Timmy knows what to do. He just needs to get confidence as Igl. Dezign isn’t helping and is only adding to those barriers of growing as IGL

[@NobodyXCZ]

My Apex Legends experience for last half year at least is that we play ranked with my duo friend and most of the time, our random stops working and runs away or just doesnt cooperate at all.. Most of the games we would be much much faster in climbing if only we were not playing it 2 againts all others.. I would never even think, this could happen in PRO scene teams. Like what the hell? If we were playing with 3rd who constantly doesnt cooperate at critical situations, i would just stop playing with him. It is waste of time. And to this video? Well coms fine, it can be challenging option true, still easily to clarify, you have mouth, just talk when you dont know or dont understand. Fast simple, you will do it few times and the team sync will come in no time.. But Dezi is not only not listening, he just plays on his own. And i tell you this.. ONE time, it will actualy work for him well so he will win the situation/save it or whatever.. and you wil never get him on the team line ever again, as he will continue to try for that 1time luck. I have a friend like this... I've played with him for more than 20 years now, but i would never ever go on tournaments with him again for this reason. Casual play? whatever, it is fun it is ok, but not comps.. waste of time. The thing is, most of the plat players who just listens squad leader, would be better at this point than dezi.

[@Lena-iq6kd]

Starting to think Timmy as IGL isn’t the best option

[@sheprsokyo9848]

Team got potential but MAAAN dezign need to respect his IGL my f'ing god this dude is painfull.

[@TheKyle666]

4 mins, I thought they had it. Why is he constantly consistently not in the fight

[@skorpion7732]

WHEN I SAY JUMP YOU SAY HOW HIGH

[@stargazerS2021]

dezign just won't shut up when timmy is making call man. He wants to igling so bad

[@JohnDoe-qh5xg]

It's almost like we all know this already... just kick him out and get an actual team player

[@skeeveharvey6180]

Just a miscommunication they will work through this

[@nepnep1149]

Everyone keeps saying it’s simple listen to your IGL but you can’t blame the team when the igl is an easy ai bot

[@wetstinkysocks2950]

You really thought you were cooking with this comment huh? 😂

[@jasonthatskates8702]

3 IGLs never gonna work

[@kavid8120]

Timmy deserves the frustration for signing Dez. Everyone knows he’s beyond stubborn and always does whatever he wants. That’s why he played Ash cause he wants to play how he wants and Q out when he screws up. He’s so washed

[@qdogly]

Bro, respectfully, why tf is dezin so far and nowhere near them???

[@thxyou6662]

That's why I love Timmy I think we should fight them otherwise why else are we playing legend id actually love to play with this guy

[@jimmy38977]

bruh they both arent listening

[@TtvEnigma1017]

Like I said since they said they were gonna play together design does not listen he only knows how to throw and then blame others 😂

[@youngrootv]

The funniest thing about this is for that final fight for the win Monsoon’s team wins the game and Monsoon literally does nothing. He was trolling, he just walks up, doesn’t shoot at all and just watches Timmy’s team fight the other one for no reason💀

[@АброрМаксудов-т6ф]

It seems like gen and dez dont trust enough calls from timmy. Thats all. Thats why everyone trying to do what he thinks is right

[@JayJJosh]

Feel like gen threw this game more, If they listen to Timmy on the stairs and backed off like he originally wanted, "play slow" ( he said like 5 times, but gen wanted to w key, but everyone glazes and throws hate on Dez for not listening because black sheep, band wagoning ). Its the smarter play after that initial knock, the other team was pushing the building and would have killed off the last guys. They would have gotten a full reset instead and needed to 3v3. Props to gen he did shit on them but got himself down, leaving Timmy to need to kill the last one which he ends up getting dusted instead, which would have left Dez to 1v1 then 1v3. If Dez somehow dies before the solo they would have gotten 3rd but instead secured 2nd.

[@VitoKanun]

wtf where the hell was dezign holy

[@chrissilva9101]

Dezign the kind of not listening to his IGL. Always has another idea and thinking too much. Needs to follow his IGL period.

[@Kidseverywhr]

I belive that gen and designfuls plan to wall first so they can actually play for the win and dont castle q and wait there to get second is better, but design should listen to timmy no matter what, Timmy is the IGL and he should listen to him, gen should not have aped and they could've easily got a reset fast enough before they got pushed. I don't know why everyone is getting so mad at design and the last play he made by sitting there was the right play to secure the win, they just need to listen and stop overcoming

[@SyrUsThEVyrUs6187]

These coms are cooked. High intense situations and they literally lose all sense on how to talk, calm down and chill.

[@stoamm7412]

Dez didn't even join them in the last fight 🤣. Timmy called to walk up they knocked 1 Gen said he was chasing, and Timmy fully healed and joined while Dez just ran and hid to rat 2nd.💀 I would have cursed that mf out after rewatching my Vod.