Genburten Speaks on IiTztimmy Being IGL & Dezingful not Listening

[@notsauzy6531]

Dezign said it himself “get comfortable being uncomfortable” yet he refuses to get comfortable being uncomfortable

[@notsauzy6531]

And I see a lot of lack of passion yea sure their scrims but if he can’t even show up in those how can his teammates expect him to show up in tournaments

[@mywallet7367]

@notsauzy6531 Dezign is the best player on the team

[@christiansnyder8485]

@@mywallet7367how..?

[@syncrusade1584]

@@mywallet7367 Maybe best IGL but any other aspect of the game he's by far the worst

[@neos.4587]

@@mywallet7367 This has to be ragebait

[@angrykouhai2053]

"So you are now a leader, what did you do to earn such a position?" "I was a really bad teammate."

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

Zero Hal Gen skittle cakes; design should be IGL he has the most experience Gold player’s and people who haven’t played at this level: he’s dogshit how did he even become a pro? He’s the worst player ever

[@oobygooby6969]

@@JohnJohn-bz1lqso say that to me, who’s top 0.1% every season and split. You won’t, cause you’re a hard stuck diamond player and think you’re decent. Dez is a horrible teammate and only a mid IGL. Screaming and crying like a child when you make a bad call is not a good IGL, but you wouldn’t know because your 3 stack quits at diamond every split.

[@qiqueqiqi]

Just like the real world.

[@angrykouhai2053]

@@JohnJohn-bz1lq I never said he is "dogshit", I said he is a bad teammate, and if this was incorrect videos like this wouldn't even exist :D

[@Taaxmaan]

@@oobygooby6969im also top 0.1% and would argue that timmy has amazing gunskill for mnk, especially mid range to open fights but most of his brainpower is worried on rotations and what to do, so let dezign do what he’s been trained to do and let timmy farm . i dont think dezign is a mid igl, he’s pretty good as igl just a massive baby. everybody has opinions.

[@rickyg8750]

I would like dezign to IGL then gen and Timmy just ignore him every game

[@angrykouhai2053]

I would pay to watch this.

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

If they do they lose

[@Willowstav]

💯 support this motion

[@PuddingTaToRnAtOr]

Please please please, and then they should blame him when the play fails and freak out and blame it on sleep 😂😂😂😂

[@floppymcflop5427]

Inb4 dezign hard rushes a team while his teammates die behind him and yells how he has to fight 1v3

[@neos.4587]

Yes, let's give the guy who can't wake up for scrims, doesn't follow orders, and is always having an excuse ready, the igl title. If this is the best option, the team is cooked

[@t3e_e]

Zero just trying to fully cook Gen from afar lmao no one in this scene has coherent takes on psychology or sports psych cause they're 15 inside. I'm adhd af and would know. Thank you for also having some common sense, stranger.

[@sicaris415]

In football, there are a lot of adult kids playing too. Look at all the divas

[@TheShaqii]

@@sicaris415football ended after Messi and Ronaldo era. Now they enjoying their big paychecks and doing sidequests while getting paid max sum to come to the field and run around and have fun 😫 There havent been real players since them. Ronaldo from brazil. Ronaldinho. Rooney. U might have a good induvidual like Haaland here and there. But you dont really see «street skills» anymore. All new stars are manufactured daddies little trophy bois who scream and kick if they dont get it their way. It all goes back to minor leagues and teenage football.

[@AyohB1104]

exactly it baffles me that people support him for it

[@neos.4587]

@@sicaris415 But in football there are consequences. My 15 year old cousin's football coach is apperantly stricter than an multi million dollar esport org. He is not only hurting the team but the entire org. If they are no consequence 100Thieves doesnt seem to care. I dont want him cancelled, but somebody needs to put him in his place and if the org cant do it, who will?

[@Alex-nx3me]

Dezigns inability to listen to another IGL has nothing to do with Timmy. Taking Timmy off of IGL just because Dez wont listen is horseshit. Mechanically Dez might be a great player. But I've been saying for years, he doesn't have the mental for comp. When he's IGL he abuses his teammates when he makes bad calls. When he's not IGL he doesn't listen and throws the game. He acts like a child and then wonders why its so hard for him to find a team. Timmy and Gen need to cut their losses and get another third. Not that Mande should replace him, but they performed way better with Mande subbing.

[@neos.4587]

The logic to me is insane. "You dont listen to the Captain? Well, congratulations you are the Captain now", like what?? Mande won't play tournaments, he is only a sub for scrims. Dropping Dezign means they only have a few months to find a teammate on their level. Idk if there are free agents on their level right now.

[@ose168]

Not gonna lie I still think the best game they played is when gen and Timmy played with enemy😢 they destroyed everyone

[@jameslaughland2053]

they can’t get rid of Dez. he has ownership of the invite to champs. either they go to Japan with design or they don’t go to japan

[@V1K4N3S]

I love seeing how much Genburten enjoy playing with Mande

[@V1K4N3S]

​@@jameslaughland2053they can because the reason Dezign and Timmy teamet up was because of the Champ spot and then out of nowhere Genburten got available then you have 3 people with champ spot when you only need 2, I think the reason just because timmy got Genburten that he can't drop Dezign because of that But now they are signerte to 100T so we need to wait to after champ if they gonna do changes

[@ayehodgy5675]

watching dezs arrow go the complete opposite way on the min map is hilarious

[@trapicalg]

It’s actually making me ask if he’s special or not

[@floppymcflop5427]

Actual fragger brain on Newcastle just letting gens knocked body sit there and completely looking somewhere else

[@2apur]

4:50 You can't even say that this was Timmy's decision to play slowly. Nobody was listening to him, he has to reset comms. Dez didn't Q, Timmy got knocked. I'm very certain that's not how Timmy wanted things to go. Dez OUT.

[@spruicedgamer2043]

Dezingful also needs to listen to his alarm clock

[@Hot_LeafJuice]

underrated comment

[@Traceurmintrix]

The main reason I don’t want Dez IGL-ing now is because the whole dez just ignoring calls being rewarded with giving him IGL just for the sake of the team seems like he’s being rewarded from bad behaviour. Not only that, we’ve seen how dez totally destroys a teams morale when he’s IGL-img with his rages. It will no doubt lead to the downfall of the team if it’s not already on one as is.

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

Bro he has the most experience why is it so hard to listen to other pros opinions about him instead of KZbin comments

[@WhatssupYoo]

@@JohnJohn-bz1lq If I was about to play against them I would want that too. Dezign is known to be an emotional player, all it takes is 1 bad game and it's downhill from there. As his opponent that would be great since he would be dragging down Timmy and Gen, 2 really good players.

[@Traceurmintrix]

@@JohnJohn-bz1lq The most experience yet the least mature out of all of them. He barely even shows up at this point. For all the times dez has made a better call you can find 10x more examples of him doing stupid crap. I don’t know how you could look at a decision maker like that and think he’s better, as well as his awful leadership to destroy the morale of the teams he plays with. There’s a reason the players he teams with always end up leaving him. Zero can say this as much as he wants but we all know if dez was on a team with him he’d despise playing with him. Gen is saying this as he said before because of the reason I just said, in the hopes that it would prevent him going solo and doing selfish plays. It’s a choice out of a negative, not a positive just to get over the hump of his selfish plays. Timmy could’ve gotten a lot better at this point if people could follow through on his calls to learn, but it kind of just feels like dez does this on purpose to get this exact thing to happen and usurp Timmy.

[@Zerothas]

In the real world of day to day life, you're right. But this is at the upper echelon of apex talent. They don't get second chances here, they want to win and be the best team. Gen is right, you have to do what you can with the team and the time you've got to optimize your chances of * winning*. They're not playing to have fun with friends. They're playing to win. No one is here for 2nd place or participation trophies. So if they want to win, they need to swap.

[@JohnJohn-bz1lq]

@ let’s look at the last ALGS pros were reviewing his pov and 70% of the decision he made were right for example the portal under the building was wrong, but it was also right at the same time he even called that the caustic gas was under the building yet Timmy and enemy jump out right on to it but apparently that was design’s fault yes he could’ve ported on top of the building or went inside but his teammates throwing or not being able to adapt Is not his fault this level of Apex is extremely difficult the average pred player wouldn’t even be able to get off 100 damage without getting slammed

[@AlexanderWebster_]

Gen wasn't even listening to Timmy in the clip he showed 😂

[@CalvinAytch]

Yeah, as much as I like to shit on Dez, the problems in this team go far beyond him. Everyone is cluttering comms, everyone is countercalling, nobody trusts each other on the calls, and that's on TOP of the fucked up team dynamic. I can't see this team lasting.

[@orbitals5281]

Hal was IGL. He listens fine.

[@eelias.]

I think part of it is that dezign knows that Timmy isn’t a great igl and he’s trying to help pick up some of the slack, while Hal knows that Zer0 is an amazing igl so he has no problem shutting up and listening

[@Bryan-mw4en]

@@eelias. Hal wanted to win, dezign has mental and ego problem, its totally different.

[@notoriousalien]

cuz despite what haters believe he can put his ego aside if that means winning. most igls though, zero is also an example, also alb, don't want to listen and only want to lead or nothing lol

[@zkdm9125]

@@notoriousalienalbs gotten a lot better on both LAN and his current team. He micros fights a lot but he doesn’t counter call anymore and is seeing the benefits of it

[@godycorona1110]

@@eelias. nah dezign just has a huge ego hes a toddler in an adult body

[@lewangg]

Putting Dez at IGL feels like such a slap in the face to Timmy and Dez being rewarded for being a horrible comp player lol. The only time Dez opens his mouth is to counter call and I am not joking lmfao

[@DenimDanger-mf7yl]

Gen says we have issues with IGL because of communication and then shows a video of him blatantly ignoring clear comms from the IGL and leaving the whole squad to push falcons alone and defends the play.

[@Rain-cz2yg]

Thank you!! I didn't understand that point of GEN solely blaming dezign (even though he trolled) when he made a huge mistake there as well. There's a reason why Timmy said play slow, it's because he knows the other team is gonna pinch them and timmy's team need to full heal for the next fight. Pushing that fight like gen did, especially without listening to the IGL's call, is what got them killed. If they all 3 went in there, it's still second place because the other team is pushing the other side and will wipe them. It shouldn't matter what he thinks, the IGL call is the final call.

[@Chris-nn4ss]

@@Rain-cz2yg You know how he called frogs in chat that dont understand hes talking about you xD. Gen secured 2nd when playing slow would have resulted in that 3rd place team to possibly stall and live and Gen's team possibly die first. Sometimes you have to make the decision that is clear cut better over a bad call.

[@Rain-cz2yg]

@@Chris-nn4ss A bad call is a bad call and will always be on an IGL's fault if it happens, but that doesn't mean to change your IGL's call just because of what YOU think is right. Him pushing is not what got them second, if they played slow, they would have had a better chance at winning. The fact you're blindly listening to gen pov is baffling tbh. Timmy's team knocked one or two and they had staircase to hold for a few more seconds, the other team would've pinched the team that got knocked and cleaned the team that gen SOLO rushed, completely counter calling the IGL.

[@Chris-nn4ss]

@@Rain-cz2yg blindly listening? watch the VOD they are in a terrible spot with no defensive ults, youre just yapping to yap bro. Many times a team will leave a solo rat to get 2nd so they can wipe the OTHER team if they are partially down to get more points. Use deductive reasoning my guy.

[@Rain-cz2yg]

@@Chris-nn4ss They weren't in the worst spot and it was fine that they didn't have defensive ults. The other team would've been ulted if the had any and Timmy's team could've climbed on top of shack to fight the other team. They had defensive abilities and could've fought close range. They were NOT in a terrible spot and they DIDN'T need ults. Gen's take here was not good at all without even taking accountability

[@JayJJosh]

Says dezign doesn't listen shows a clip of him not listening, then says he didn't agree with Timmys call which is why he ape'd and didn't listen because his play is better. Bro.

[@Silly-s8n]

I've been watching several Apex teams only this season. Timmy is the only adult I've seen play this game. He vocalizes his opinions clearly, takes criticism calmly and always tries to improve. He always searches for things to be better at and is extremely objective. But, when you are dealing with children and ever admit fault, they see it as a weakness.

[@willnewell9242]

yep apex comp is a joke in other esports teams are so respectful to each other sure there might be banter between teams and that sorta stuff but theres honor and professionalism in other esports

[@who_doge]

Completely disagree with you. There has never been a team in history, whether it's esports or actual sports that is professional, in the way you think. Timmy has not improved at all with his igl role. He fails to acknowledge that he is also at fault for their terrible performances as his comms are all over the place. I can guarantee you that if one of us become pros, you will understand why these players are like this and you'll be disappointed. Look at it from a statistical and unbiased perspective.

[@willnewell9242]

@@who_doge funnily enough I have played rocket league in semi professional settings believe it or not and as someone who knows pro players personally (mainly talking about noahsaki) i can say that is not true at all the difference is in apex they want to be right rather than improve and have ego in other esports they want to improve and win sure i bet they want to improve in apex but the teams seem to fight a lot more in the settings I am familiar with everyone treats each other very well

[@chihuli1987]

​@@willnewell9242Rocket League and Apex aren't a good comparison. 3v3 at most isn't nearly as demanding as 3v entire lobby.

[@Silly-s8n]

@@who_doge He does not fail to acknowledge fault. You can do everything right and you will still have haters. Calling him an adult does not equate to calling him the best player. Your comment seems to try and conflate these things in a backhanded way.

[@xBalancebreakfast]

making someone IGL because he doesnt listen to the current one shouldnt be the reason you do team play.

[@kait2972]

The irony of gen using that game as an example is hilarious. Timmys shouting "play slow" and dez played slow. Gen didn't listen, counter called to just ape the team and he's the reason they didn't have a chance to win that game. If they just played the stairs heady they would/should have had a clean 3v3 for the win.

[@killertwinkieCHL]

nah, dez trolled

[@mywallet7367]

@@killertwinkieCHL nah gen trolled

[@johnteo313]

They most probably would have been sandwiched. The other team was on their right height. So even if they had heady for the opponent they were shooting, they would be in full view of the other team on their right who has height and Newcastle wall. Most probably would have been focused by both teams once the Cat wall drops as they were out in the open. The right team most probably rotated once they saw 2 downs which usually means kill trades. So unless Gen INTs there, the other team could just new castle wall Q and pull their Cat and try to go for the Res. This overall means that if they do not do anything and play slow for the following 10 seconds after the Catalyst went down (Catalyst went down 5 sec after Cat wall leaving 10 seconds for Cat wall before it goes down), they would be shot from the side and most probably come in 3rd. They overall just had the worst position of the 3 teams (practically the only team without cover). They should have just aimed to place for 2nd. However, I still agree that Gen should have stayed and not played slow. This is because Timmy needs to learn to IGL still and cannot learn when people are constantly counter calling him or not following his decisions.

[@neos.4587]

I agree with you on Gen but staying on the stairs is not the call. The wall will soon be gone, Conduit's ult is not ready, the bubble and Newcastle wall isn't ready either. They have no chance to defend themselves.

[@kait2972]

Not really interested in what the right or wrong call was, the fact is gen used himself not listening to timmy and playing solo as an example, right after complaining that the problem with dez is that he doesn't listen to timmy and plays solo.

[@notoriousalien]

the problem is NONE of them listen to each other lmfao

[@hshmn]

lmao what would benefit the team is to get rid of the guy who cant do his part, not bend to his will and make him igl, that some stupid shit

[@zeronin4696]

They cant. Dezign is holding the LAN spot.

[@Chris-nn4ss]

And replace with who? You? You gonna beam hit all your shots and make all the right plays? Hes the best option regardless

[@meeks_RL]

A good leader should be an even better teammate. In my opinion if you can’t be a good teammate you shouldn’t ever be a leader. Just like a boss if you weren’t a good worker you shouldn’t be a boss.

[@meeks_RL]

Truth is dezign isn’t a good fit for the team. Doesn’t matter how cracked everyone is if you can’t play as a team.

[@ProdigyEND]

If dezign was IGL he'd ignore himslef 💀

[@Ralffy1]

As Timmy is saying “we’re coming to you” dez is running the other way 😂

[@qwertyg3666]

Hearing gens thoughts is interesting but I still agree with timmys call. If they play slow the two get sandwiched between both teams and die for free then it's a straight 3v3. Not to mention if dezign had just listened they'd still have cat wall at this point rendering gens whole thought process moot.

[@prod.lululu8924]

But isnt gen's whole point based around the fact that they dont have ults..... U sir, did not think when u typed this

[@lawlietriver8869]

@@prod.lululu8924 Considering that if Dez listened they WOULD have an ult, I think he is in fact being correct. Maybe you just missed that part or what have you, but that was part of the argument. A simple Newcastle Q would have saved them that ult that Gen was forced to use. Dez did not follow the call to place the Q, and as such Timmy got downed. That is not only the point of the OP, but it is literally what Gen just said in the video.

[@qwertyg3666]

@@prod.lululu8924 but gen is reviewing the footage under the assumption they have no ults not on the quality of the igling. The fact is timmys plan was solid and would have left them with cat wall and most likely a W and even if not a guaranteed 2nd rather than a scuffed fight for second. There was no reason to fight there they were in the safest position on zone close with utill. Because dezign didn't listen the whole plan went to shit but the plan was game winning and the best play given the circumstances. The fault then is not timmys igling but exclusively dezigns idiocy.

[@prod.lululu8924]

@qwertyg3666 assumptions?? Dude in the clip they all know they only have cat wall My point is ur making it too complicated

[@lawlietriver8869]

@@prod.lululu8924 Your "point" seemed to be to insult the OP. You said that he didn't think when he typed, which can literally only mean that what he wrote was "stupid." Which is an insult and not an actual point. If that is how you operate then fine, this is the internet after all, but lets not pretend like you have attempted to make an actual point. What I did in response to your response, that was making an actual point. Correctly pointing out how you were factually wrong with what you wrote. If the truth is stupid, then the person describing the truth isn't stupid, the truth is. Correctly stating something might sometimes be not needed, but doing so in of itself is not stupid. It is just correct.

[@AmpedLab]

Dezign is so used to IGL’ing i think he’s just trying to pick up the slack where Timmy falls short & a lot of the time it ends with cluttered comm’s , a dezign throw , or just overall confusion from the boys

[@rWhiteknight_TTV]

I might not agree with this suggestion but this shows how elite Gen is as a competitor. He isn't guided by Ego. He's willing to put his desires aside for the betterment of his team and to secure the win. You can be the greatest player in the world it means nothing if you are needed to play as a team. This is why in the military they say they rarely chose individuals because of their athletic ability. They prioritize individuals who value their team.

[@1ShadyKing]

It’s like a relationship it does not work if there is no trust

[@1ShadyKing]

Whether Itztimmy is making bad calls or not if he is IGL both you and dez need to follow him this issues should be solve when playing scrim

[@cesota55]

Thats an actuall Valid statement, "I Respect Timmy and his decision" Dzing is just not presenting respects to Timmy in that way.

[@bucklau]

The easiest switch is to DROP DEZIGN LMAO how tf is that not on the table

[@TheHowToWinPodcast]

I feel like the apex pro scene is literally people constantly just blaming everyone else.

[@Randomwords9476]

Hal can listen and he was an IGl. The fact Dezign doesn’t listen is a him problem and pure ignorance. If he wants his team to do well, he has to do what needs to be done for the team and listen to his team and IGL.

[@sanjaysanj5603]

that would be correct if timmy's calls were actually good, timmy's calls are most times horrible and lead to them dying or losing, dezign on the other hand has proven results, its ego dezign knows he is better and right, even gen and other top players said it and timmy's ego will not let him say "its better for the team that i did not igl".

[@jrolla1858]

Because Hal is playing with a better IGL, Dezign is playing with someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing as an IGL

[@Randomwords9476]

In order to succeed Timmy needs to fail. You can’t expect to be perfect in a role he’s only recently taken on. Rather than ignoring his calls, go with them and afterwards he can reflect on what they could’ve done. That’s the only way Timmy can improve, with lessons being learnt. That’s what scrims are for. To practice, figure what works and what doesn’t work, adapt and gain experience. Dezign can be a huge help to Timmy by passing on his knowledge and his know how. rather than ignoring his calls, do them and explain after how he would’ve done them.

[@qwertyg3666]

@@sanjaysanj5603 Timmys calls have been good. The trouble is dezign has been so slow to follow them that most of them are never actually explored. There have been several very winnable games and fights where had dezign shut up and done what was said they would have been the victors, instead because dezign refuses to be on the same page they go out early. Timmy is a timing based igl. He is a full sender like hal. He needs two people to shut up and do what he says. It's impossible to see how good he truly is when dezign refuses to do so.

[@Randomwords9476]

@@qwertyg3666 👌

[@comprehensivecomparison]

there is no excuse at this point, he needs to realize that he’s not always correct and that losing the scrim is not always the worst thing that could possibly happen, dezign should NEVER doubt the main calls and argue with them MID GAME, it’s an ego issue, nothing more, the control freak does not need more control, they need to learn their role

[@johnnysilver5866]

Dezign literally says “we have to fight left” and then just leaves his teammates out to dry when they slam left.

[@MurkTempers]

3:52 “we have to fight left now” *dez doesn’t fight left*

[@Impactframess]

where did gen get you smell me from LMAOOOO local slang is insane to hear

[@XolSanctum]

In the words of a Danish former pro player about a different player “Mac just needs to stfu and shoot the gun. Don’t talk just listen and shoot” I think this applies to Dez too 😂

[@theblindspot985]

I dont care if you are the best player on planet earth, if the igl says to play slow and cycle abilities, you play slow. Its great initiative that Gen is taking but hes gotta wait for the call to happen to swing left. He cant just ape that shit solo.

[@elmartinezsv]

I think is more about hes Ego (Dezingful)

[@smciver85]

He's gotta get outta bed first 😂

[@lukeflaata5755]

Should have never got ride of enemy and given dezignful the boot. Really enjoyed watching Timmy, Gen, and Enemy kicking ass while having fun.

[@Athomass]

Think it's fairly well known that they needed Dez's spot for champs? Can't imagine this team would stay together after that

[@jacobclark2410]

Dez just trolled completely timmy said we're coming gen and dez went the other way

[@misterraider7212]

"lets make Dezign IGL because he is shit when he is not" many people have said this and tbh it is just sad that Gen and Timmy have to deal with this

[@ivank20r]

its not fair to timmy to be given a proper chance to igl if his team is not listening to him its not on him it legit took almost a minute before they listen to him

[@Taylormartin7289]

Dezign got the passion since G2.

[@felipegodoy5342]

It speaks volumes how Hal managed to become a role player and be IGL'd by Zero with ease, when he could've easily turned out like Dezign

[@sparkyenergia]

Last time Design was IGL the team died to storm, and enemy quit the team. I don't see how it will go any better this time around.

[@mregg6160]

Dez should lower his ego and start listening. Being an IGL for 3 years and not playing as an IGL now isn’t an excuse.

[@ellegend7326]

Dezign needs another reality check definitely not an IGL playing with a toxic player is overwhelming

[@Res1wolf]

I think it’s fair to switch up IGL’s if things aren’t going well. Still Dez needs to follow through on IGL calls. Even if he disagrees he can voice that but still follow through on the call. If it ends up being a bad play then it’s the IGL’s fault and things can be evaluated after.

[@TheClonejackjack]

If Dez was IGL it would literally be him thinking only of himself, abandoning his team, and blaming them when he makes bad calls. He isn’t a leader, Timmy has proven himself to be a leader with moist when he was a co lead and the fact dez doesn’t listen isn’t anyone’s fault but his.

[@peruboy2011]

Everyone, this is comp and there’s a time crunch…Timmy can’t earn the experience and skill to IGL in a couple months where Dezign has had years of it. They have to work with what they have. I have never liked Dezign’s attitude or how he plays as support but if you put everyone in the role they play best you can actually win games and have better comms. Gen knows what he’s talking about and it’s not just one persons fault, Timmy and Dezign need to be real about the chemistry of the team. Either Dez learns to listen and play support (which we see is not happening), or Timmy needs to really improve on his IGL skills (which is also not happening).

[@allisterfield6028]

now here's the thing, i agree that i prefer Dez IGL'ing. BUT, timmy is new to the role, and needs to learn. On Dez's end, The exucse that he's too IGL minded is unfair considering Hal is being IGL'd and he's been an IGL for the entire lifespan of Apex. surely Dezign could do the same, so it's something he needs to learn. On Gen's end, it's tough because he's so experienced after playing under Zero and winning that he's more in tune with what the correct play usually is, and sometimes he acts on that (like right there when they knocked one for free and he immediately pushed was the correct play) but because the IGL, ie timmy was comming to play slow, he was alone in the push and got downed for it. It's going to be tough for the beginning for them to all get used to these new things for each of them. but i can see that if they stick together for like another split after this, they could win the next regional. but i don't see them winning Champs

[@turkeyman631]

Timmy can't even have the opportunity to IGL when Dezign doesn't listen to any calls lmao.

[@silverslims95]

It was everyones fault in that fight, Gen for getting excited and full sending off a knock when Timmy says play slow, Timmy for not calling Gen back in after saying play slow and then second guessing himself and following Gen too late, Design cause I have no idea why he randomly decided to not help or comms that he was backing up. Timmy wanted the team that Cat walled to sandwich and fight the team pinned in the house, for them to clean up the remainder for 1st place, Gen wanted to capitalise off the knock and secure 2nd, no idea what Dez was doing.

[@chrissilva9101]

Dez said you had to fight left after arguing saying we have to go right

[@clubkr6517]

Lmao Dezignful doesn't need an IGL. He is better than the IGL so why would he need to listen to him? Pfft. DEZIGNFUL IS A LEGEND.

[@izodiac8913]

this is the time Dezign using the word 'LALA LAND' G2 days lmao! yeah fo sure he should IGL taste his own medicine

[@trevorwahler6514]

Timmy can get to aggressive at times but for the most part he has been good. But there are times Timmy is making the right call and dezign is just off doing him own thing. Then the chance to push or swing is gone. Then they go for it and die.

[@jakebishop8245]

I don’t know why they don’t co-IGL like they did on DSG because it literally worked

[@marcelobose9139]

Timmy says "everyone shut up, shut up" then proceeds to say nothing... if you're not gunna give input don't stop others from putting in their input

[@hyperion808gaming7]

Yea but look at Hal, he was IGL for how many years, then stepped down but is still thriving

[@TheTopStarz]

imagine calling yourself a professional when the problem for your team is you not listening to your 'in game LEADER' so it forces the team to put the same person who can't listen to be the 'IGL' 😂😂🤣 won't even mention not getting enough sleep, over sleeping and missing scrims. I don't believe that Dezign can't listen to an IGL because he's used to being the IGL, I believe he doesn't listen because he doesn't fully trust Timmy as the IGL, I'd bet anything if it was Zer0, Sweet or Hal, Hakis or Dropped, any established IGL, he'd listen without hesitating.

[@Hot_LeafJuice]

Saying Dez should be IGL because he's a bad listener is insane. If I had to deal with that I'd want him off my team personally. I wouldn't care how good of a player he is, he'd be gone if he can't learn to listen in two months LMAO

[@riderrwalker924]

do they still hold position if only Dezign is replaced? AFAIK dez and bronzey holds the spot for algs.

[@dat_sarge_]

Gen is just being logical, can't blame him for thinking of the best way to make the team work.. one thing I've noticed playing Fps from Siege to Cod.. actual team play is not for everyone.

[@dat_sarge_]

I've seen people on Asian servers use the ping system with more co operation 🤣

[@MichaelAlmeida.x]

Did he say play slow then or playing cell ?

[@radiobtw]

bro this shit is so real

[@kingkoopa654]

Dezign is going to have them sitting in storm until ring 3 only to get gatekept by Tripods and finish 18/20th And Dezign is going to cry “get comfortable being uncomfortable”

[@Clark5160]

they got 4th at LAN while dezign IGLed

[@skeeveharvey6180]

And they would have won if enemy didn’t hard swing without a digi. Not dezigns fault

[@kingkoopa654]

@@Clark5160 He had never gotten close to before that or since then It was a fluke!

[@FLEX_xcx]

Problem is Dez has his own play format. He actually did what you’d Not want him to do as supporting however he was anchoring he kind of assumes Gen & Tim have it covered and just walks away. That would p me off HOWEVER Tim needs to be more vocal on how they fought that. The Cat wall needed to be more 11oclock towards the team on left but it’s really tough situation. But communication, Listening not just hearing

[@iitzedo8767]

Poor Timtam. How can you learn to be an IGL when you’re switching teammates every day, people are sleeping in and missing scrims, one teammate is in Australia with 200 ping, and another still thinks they’re the IGL?

[@Fesititi]

Never understood why Timmy is IGLing. Dezign is a proven IGL since G2 and put his team into LAN winning position if not for the digi incident.

[@BROKEW]

idk if u guys can tell but gen is a such nice guy, sugarcoating and trying to justify dezigns bad attitude with his teamates just shows it

[@cskyo]

Dezign is a liability because he not a team player.

[@budgetwriter2675]

Disagree with almost everyone in the comments, regardless of whether he deserves to be igl, i think its a good choice and they’ll perform better, but only if timmy can accept dez as igl like DEEP DOWN accept it and not be annoyed

[@R3LAXMUSIC888]

what gens saying is completley right with everthing

[@Spencer277]

the clashing egos bro. just gotta be able to fucking listen. everyone so damn focused on themselves. listen to the igl. if you don't like it, gtfo the team lmao

[@rorobilly1]

Getting to lead the team because you don't want to listen to your teammates is insane. Dezign needs to be booted off, I know he's good at the game but giving him power because he can't listen is not good

[@chrissilva9101]

Making him IGL because he wouldn't listen is like giving your kid what they want because it's easier to get them to stop whining

[@mfrausto136]

This sounds like a player whos getting his way for being a bad team player. Taking timmy off and having Gen clearly say " he doesn't wanna listen " is proof of that

[@CoyKo-s2y]

I said I didn't agree with Timmys calls on that 3 squads left game and everyone hated my guts for sayin that. LMAO!

[@Vncenzzo]

Yeah let’s just give the narcissistic rager more power.

[@NN-oz6rr]

All the best IGL's are not pussies. That is the key. You need to be stern and be an asshole at times. Even Albralelie acknowledged that Hal made him a way better player due to his IGL style

[@Bcoupes20]

Some of y’all are still taking it personally against Timmy. Gens simply trying to say that Timmy’s more prone to listen than dez. At the end of the day having 3 teammates doing a bad player is still better odds than 2 people doing the right play a vast majority of the time. So to maximize team cohesiveness, maybe it could be better if dez IGL’s. Has nothing to do with Timmy as an IGL

[@arjentijdhof]

I like the idea of thinking Gen. Dezign being IGL could be good for the team. But lets be honest. Its not good you have to make dezign IGL to make him usefull for the team because he is not listen to Timmy. For me the best option would be to drop dezign and start a new team with Timmy and another one. I know this is not how it work but even when dezign would be IGL he is still the problem of the team. 😅

[@JP34__]

rewarding a teammate who's constantly throwing and not listening by making him IGL is one of the most braindead takes i've ever heard. design needs to LISTEN.

[@RECify93]

Crazy that they still give Dez a chance. Got signed w DSG off Timmy’s back, and then again with 100T. Dude should really not be there at all. You can tell he’s never played on a team based sport, because his antics fucking bring everything down. Stopped watching them as a result.

[@John_the_baptized]

Wait, Zero was talking to Gen?

[@Bunny4uh]

first gen said dezign didn't listen to the calls, then he himself pushed forward and ignores timmy's call when timmy said to play slow, then he changed the topic that they got knock and dezign had to push with them, but again timmy's call was to play slow which dezign listened and played slow but timmy forced himself or gen forced timmyn to push coz they got on player knocked. Gen is really playing this smart, he's blamming everything on dezign even though when he's not wrong. Gen was my fav, but now he lost my respect

[@ex_tsukasa]

6:37 What about timmy's gibby bubble???? Like there aren't even letting timmy IGL and just giving comms of what they want to do there!! Like I understand that they would suggest things but the final decision is on the IGL!! I'm pretty sure they had a great chance to win that game if they listened to timmy!

[@anggergalih3414]

But hal just popped that cat wall and timmy have 10 second remaining on bubble cooldown idk about dezign pov, i think is play slowly there is good you conflicting dezign bcs at first he wait in stairs with timmy bcz slowdown call and you just run in.

[@nuzzlefutz8607]

They already tried Dezign IGL with Timmy and their old team. Dude just needs to get past his ego.

[@jeddrageansell9807]

Timmy could be a better igl. He just needs to calm his coms down and not speak to fast and stuttery…dez needs to be put in his place as a fragger and listen. And they all need to listen to eachother if one’s calling to ‘wipe this’. They all have enough experience to know when to say that knowing it will pay off. There’s too much hesitation between all of them, it’s like they’re not confident as a team so no one trusts eachother’s calls. They just need to have a game where they trust everyone’s calls and let timmy take lead

[@AaronXCVI]

"dez doesnt listen" "look where he is" - The call was play slow and gen sprints which loses the game. Whether you agree with the call or not, you shouldn't do the exact opposite. Gen seems to be someone with such a big ego, he can do no wrong. He says "no one listens" then reacts to a clip of him ruining comms by shouting and making his own plays without consideration of the team.

[@sensiclaus3884]

The 3 stack diva team 👉👈

[@GreyhoudzMDPKN]

😂😂😂😂😂 4:42

[@AlexanderWebster_]

I just don't get hard pushing a team when there is 3 teams up. Thirst and play slow.

[@AlexanderWebster_]

If you let yourself get knocked with only 3 teams up, you're throwing. Gen got way too aggro

[@antoniomartin6996]

Dez has the potential to be like hal. Know what is going on and make solo calls or backup up the team as a fragger. Yet he doesnt do any of that really. Hes too quiet when he needs to com what he is trying to do so the team snt left blindsided

[@edwinsantiago1209]

Dezign is the reason Timmy isn't having a fair shot learning to igl how can you lead a team if half of them don't listen to you??? Honestly, clueless as to why Timmy hasn't dropped him and brought someone more cohesive to the group.

[@FLEX_xcx]

7:44 that’s not just your opinion. I was saying this when I watch this Live way to slow

[@drewski7197]

The reality is dezign wants to be an igl for any team hes on! Hes never gonna follow orders without speakin up its just not his personality! So either let him IGL or dont play with him is just the simple reality of it! Plus hes better igl than timmy anyway! Timmy takes to long to get his toughts out and tell the team what to do! Dezign is hard to play for but either deal with it or dont play with him! Its that simple

[@-DeZiRe-]

4:38 dezign looks like my randoms there. I would verbally humiliate him if he was on my team.