Tips for Photographing Planets like a PRO with Firecapture

[@mgmcd1]

#69DUDES - actually, US$6.90 since the minimum was US$1.00. Also, were you able to get any drinking done on your week off? 🤔 Those beers aren’t going to drink themselves. 🤓 Also, as to your regular closing message (EIMAWAAGTD), nothing makes that more apparent than looking through a telescope and understanding what you’re looking at. 😎

[@DylanODonnell]

Oops .. there goes my whole campaign 😆

[@mgmcd1]

@@DylanODonnell well I already had it loaded on my laptop and was fixing to use it, so may as well support the cause.

[@DylanODonnell]

Legendary :)

[@firecapture7090]

You gotta be kidding me... checked my emails today and found dozens of donations. I first thought my paypal or website was hacked and shut it down. Finally I found this here... Dylan, many many thanks for this , much appreciated! In no way FC deserves receiving so much attention. Please remember I'm happy to provide this for free so instead making a donation go and get yourself a beer ;-) Thanks to all of you, your support is much appreciated.

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe that’s hilarious mate 😆 I’ll buy a beer if you buy several. Keep up the good work ! 🍷

[@prnzssLuna]

Thanks Dylan ♥️ for making this, and for telling people to donate.

[@birreboi]

Both planets look really good, kudos to Firecapture and the person behind it. Also to Dylan, thanks for sharing!

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks!

[@avt_astro206]

Looks Like a Useful Tool..will Give This A Try..I have Been Using Sharpcap So Far.. Great Video 👍🏻🔭

[@BigTinkerer1]

Good Job Dylan. Always a pleasure to watch your videos, but don't let it get to your head mate! And everyone needs a vacation to clear their heads. GalaxyPiper ere', CN.

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks mate! Don't worry.. my ego was always overinflated.

[@philipespinal3293]

Instructions unclear. Camera on fire.

[@Astronurd]

😂😂

[@starhopper457]

Whowa... autoguiding? How did you have that set up? Did you run that line between the hand controller and the mount? Otherwise I can't figure out how FC does the autoguiding unless it moves the ROI, but that could eventually find its way off the chip. Well done!

[@howardbond1583]

Dylan Glad to see you survived your week off!! Hope you enjoyed yourself & had some quality time with family. Good Video & Nice pics......good to have you back👍 Stay Safe 😷

[@whilltrades]

Really love your videos Dylan just turned 16 and finally saved up enough money to by a 8 inch edge HD keep up the great work!!!

[@DylanODonnell]

Wow good work! And happy birthday. Now you’re an adult I don’t mind you being here ;) 🍷

[@whilltrades]

Dylan O'Donnell ahah thank you so much man means a lot

[@davepastern]

you won't really need an edge scope for planetary imaging imho. You can get a c9.25 non edge for less than the c8 edge and with planetary, aperture is EVERYTHING. Of course, if you're going to image DSOs, then edge is better, yes. :-) happy imaging and belated 16th birthday mate.

[@Astronurd]

​@@DylanODonnell😂😂

[@enash7070]

Wow! Talk about perfect timing. Sitting outside capturing Mars and I am new to FC. Your tips were bang on mate! Now I am in my observatory typing while FC is locked on target and auto capturing away! Thanks for your great videos! Always look forward to them! Cheers!

[@DylanODonnell]

That’s brilliant !

[@OFBCyclingWorld]

Good an you Dylan, nice gesture. I'm donating too.

[@xs4allan]

Nice short overview of this software! I tried it out a couple of nights ago and just randomly pushed some buttons. Everything worked to my surprise, centering, guiding. But this video clarifies a bit what I was actually clicking on;)

[@Spaced_Out_Bill]

Great tip on turning the camera to get the planet straight for auto guiding! The first time I tried auto guiding it didn't work, I gave up after two hours. A week later it worked almost perfectly. I was baffled why, now I know! I can't wait to try it when my new camera gets here.

[@catchingphotons]

Thanks for that great video Dylan. And thanks to EVERYONE who supports the community with free software. It is so important! Clear skies to all of you!

[@uhohDavinci]

Dylan my man!! LOVE your stuff.. but jesus christ how many times did i have to listen to that music interlude.. it was cute/funny the first time.. but not the 18th.. we get it.

[@DylanODonnell]

AGAIN!

[@majestikkal8603]

@Dylan O'Donnell DJ Khalid: "Another one!" 😂 Lmao

[@majestikkal8603]

@@captainwasabi kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHilmYSYorWqfpo

[@celestromel]

What a great Mars image! Very impressed. Mel

[@stevehanson5556]

Thank you very much I just started using fire capture

[@flanerpete2040]

Awesome images, Dylan! Always enjoy your instructive video productions. Glad you and your family could enjoy a getaway and have a drink or three. 🍷🍷🍷 Perhaps, you could have Anna perform part of the soundtrack for one of your upcoming videos. 😉

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks.. and I agree!

[@jamiboothe]

It is such a good thing to prop up others in the field, especially the ones who do it for free.

[@DylanODonnell]

Yeh definitely ! I still can’t believe calsky is gone. I would’ve (and have) paid for it. Shame to see it close down.

[@jamiboothe]

@@DylanODonnell I did not even know that, nor that I had an account there. That shows how an astronomer can forget quite a bit when it comes to appreciating those who`s shoulders that we stand on.

[@AstroBlender]

I really liked this video. I also use FireCapture, but not to this extent. I enjoyed you covered each area in a short span. Well done, and sweet images!

[@RaysAstrophotography]

Barely started using Firecapture! Nice images and video Dylan!

[@DylanODonnell]

It's the best :)

[@aversilf]

69 DOLLARS NOICE lol i am just binging your videos at this point...i might just join the #69dudes GANG

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe

[@astrorooftop4617]

Thanks, very helpful information.

[@kevinashley478]

LMAO... I swear I heard "I have been drinking about astronomy"...

[@FrootyRecords]

Great vid Dylan, did you use a barlow on that beast or was it native?. I only have 1000mm FL so I tried a 5x barlow on an 8 inch newt , Do you think that's pushing it! . heheh. Have to get one of those Edge Hd's one day I guess. Have not used FCap before, I use Sharpcap, but next clear night I will try it and make a donation when downloading as you suggest. These guys that slave to bring us excellent free software should be rewarded when we can!

[@DylanODonnell]

2.5x powermate .. I wouldn't go stronger than that personally :)

[@fidelpacheco8249]

I have to say you do have a very nice view!

[@constellationshots3893]

Firecapture sound really cool, but do you need an asi air? and also did you go to hunters valley, I couldn't do the taste testing but the winery tour was cool?

[@DylanODonnell]

Firecapture runs on a PC.. The winery is Cassegrain (telescope pun!) which is a supercharger stop for the Tesla at port macquarie :)

[@constellationshots3893]

@@DylanODonnell ok, that sounded like a fun trip, and I thought that firecapture also ran on the phone.

[@FR3EKELITE]

Are those Pine Trees? And good to have you back!

[@DylanODonnell]

Norfolk pines, yup!

[@FR3EKELITE]

Dylan O'Donnell very cool trees!

[@OhanSmit]

That is one moist picture of MARS! also DONATED!

[@DylanODonnell]

Legend!

[@humwhatever185]

Awesome video Dylan, I could totally see this becoming a serie of tutorials, but you could sponsor them so the action towards software devs is going to be even bigger !

[@darrenbeaver1456]

Great video! Question: for your Mars capture you have listed 3 x 9 x 90s. I got that 90s = 90 seconds but what does the 3 x 9 mean?

[@DylanODonnell]

each colour stack is 90s of red, 90s of green, 90s of blue.. then there are 9 colour stacks in all :)

[@FR3EKELITE]

What would be a good Xmas gift for astrophotography for around 275 AUD? Trying to get ideas. Can’t wait for your next video! I wish you had 100k plus subs. You deserve them.

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks mate :) hard question ! It’s not $500 so your options are limited 😆

[@FR3EKELITE]

Dylan O'Donnell very true lol! Just got into this hobby more like a life style, and I’m already 3k in and i still have a ZWO camera and longer focal length scope to get.

[@majestikkal8603]

@@FR3EKELITE Do what I did for this hobby.... Scrounge any money underneath your mattresses and couch, loose change from your laundry, sell your blood at the bank, and your kidney on the blackmarket, and a piece of your soul if your account is in the negative. Good luck

[@Mistr_A]

Top effort mate thanks for the video

[@KaizanBlu]

Thank you for sharing Dylan :)

[@alessandrogcer4889]

Hi Dylan, great video as always... For the auto-guiding feature how do you connect the mount to the computer? I have never done that before so I was wondering.

[@DylanODonnell]

The mount will have a USB connector somewhere. For mine it's on the hand controller :) (use USB /ASCOM .. much better than ST4)

[@JethroXP]

I've only used it once, but totally agree with the principle of supporting those who support us. Just sent him $6.90

[@DylanODonnell]

bloody legend

[@billblanshan3021]

Great video Dylan! Regarding the equipment you used to shoot these planets, any recommendations on a good barlow to use and also how to set back focus distance when using a barlow? I don't see much info out there regarding this and I know focus is VERY important when it comes to planetary imaging.

[@DylanODonnell]

I have a video about BFD but not barlows specifically. I believe you calculate BFD from the barlow but I’m not sure, I just use spacers until it’s in focus :)

[@AndyofAstro]

Hi Dylan, thanks for making this video. I have donated. I've really struggled to get the guiding to work with my old home restored eq5 mount, it seems to push the planet out of the field of view. I was interested in your advise about camera orientation to fix the issue. If guiding is pushing back to front, should I rotate 180? Best wishes Andy

[@DylanODonnell]

In the settings you can swap the ra and dec guide directions .. so it doesn’t matter which way the camera is rotated as long as it’s flat to the horizon :) also good man !

[@AndyofAstro]

@@DylanODonnell ok thanks, I'll give it another try, I did reverse these but I think the planet must have not been horizontal. Thanks.

[@StargazerFS128]

Gonna download Firecapture and donate.

[@Nitroburner01]

Wow, nice results. One day, if I win the lottery...

[@Neil-clare]

Good video 👍🏻 is there a screen red mode on fire capture ????

[@HagarW237]

I find the presentation to be excellent if a little presumptive . One annoying factor for me is the loud thumping music between descriptive section of your presentation. Very informative.

[@franklinriley]

fuckin lol

[@robsbackyardastrophotograp8885]

Naturally, my USB cable snaps in half the night before an opposition. At least Dr. D posted a new lecture so I can study while waiting on the new one :)

[@DylanODonnell]

Hah... I didn't show the MAJOR repairs that occurred for me the night of this video.

[@Astronurd]

As much as I like Firecapture I found that Sharpcap pro allows me to achieve a higher frame rate at the same settings. As you know this is crucial for lucky imaging.

[@DylanODonnell]

I love sharpcap! But the actual grind of real time long-session work is better served by Firecapture tools. Sharpcap is seriously underrated though.

[@Nottsboy24]

Thanks Dylan 👍 unfortunately i have not been able to capture Mars opposition this time round. Excellent free software and i will donate 🔭

[@DylanODonnell]

Thanks Nottsy!

[@hueginvieny7959]

Awesome stuff is there any way you can do a back to basics video once a month im just getting started and I am getting overwhelmed .

[@DylanODonnell]

Good suggestion!

[@hueginvieny7959]

@@DylanODonnell I feel like I'm buying stuff I don't need for my skill-set and I spent most of the night frustrated thinking I'm doing something wrong. Wish you could get Celestron to make a Dylan O'Donnell star stuff beginners astrophotography set I would have bought it and if you have any u.s dealers that you get kickbacks from let me know if it helps your Channel if I buy from them

[@jodyschultz5870]

Thanks Dylan another great video. Just to try to help out my fellow budding atro geeks in the USA, I have a massive tip for you. Do not ever consider trying to do business with a company called OPT. I have purchased a C2.95 and CGX mount combo but that was 9 weeks ago when they said it would be 14-28 days max. But I only got half of it. No mount and they have told me every week for the last 8 weeks that it will ship in 2 weeks. They also told me it was coming from China on a plane which Celestron has confirmed is just more lies. It comes on a ship and takes 30 + days. Today the Director of sales admitted that they have been lying to me and they have no idea when they can supply the equipment. Do yourself a favor and do not order anything from OPT. I think maybe they are going bankrupt. This is how companies act when they are going out of business.

[@gingerbeardman73]

Donation made. Thank you for your videos.

[@DylanODonnell]

You legend!

[@gingerbeardman73]

@@DylanODonnell it’s your world brother, I’m just living in it learning as much as I can from you and Trevor from Astrobackyard. Watching you guys made this old man remember that I LOVE space and why science was my favorite subject when I was in schoo. You guys are also the reason I’m just now getting into astrophotography. So again, I say thank you for bringing back fond memories and inspiring a new hobby which I absolutely love!!!!! I appreciate you guys.

[@DylanODonnell]

@@gingerbeardman73 ahh that’s great man! It’s a lifelong love affair I know. This is just the natural progression!

[@sreeshab4093]

great video as always. is firecapture available on android or ios? how are u having it on ur iphone?

[@KJRitch]

I noticed you used the Celestron hand controller and used Solar System alignment to find Jupiter. Is this providing the correct tracking at first before invoking the Firecapture Auto Guiding feature? Do you use a USB hub between the telescope camera and mount with one USB cable coming into your PC? Is the connection from the PC go to the USB connection at the bottom of your handset. I have an AVX and with an ASIAir which connects via the bottom of the handset to control the mount. Can the software control be installed by itself and is used along with the handset? Thanks

[@takezochouji]

You are the man! tks!

[@Wheeljack678]

#69DUDES ($6.90) I like your encouragement to donate to people who offer software like Firecapture for free. I bought the full license to ATP for the same reason - even if I'm not using any of the features that the full license unlocks.

[@mikegordonbrasov161]

Excelent tutorial. May i ask please: ¿I use firecapture 2.7.10. In the filter menu, ¿should i choose RGB filter, or L, or wich one? ¿does it depends on what planet i want to record? ¿In image menu, should i use ROI or MAX? I am new in astrophoto I use a color camera, asi zwo 462 and a refractor 120/1000 and barlow x2. Only planetary for now. Thank you verry much

[@Steve_The_Ignorant_Astronomer]

I really got to learn this program , every time I try it , I get lost and give up so I do everything in sharpcap manually

[@Steve_The_Ignorant_Astronomer]

BTW sent $1.69 cents to firecapture.. Sent .69 but they said it has to be over a dollar so I sent the 1.69us

[@gavin5326]

How does planetary photography work with filters? Would the rotation of the planet not mess up the alignment of the colours? Sorry if this has been covered in another video. Also amazing video as usual I recently downloaded fire capture so this will he very helpful.

[@DylanODonnell]

It does affect it .. which is why you have to keep the total exposure time for each video down so they don't drift too far. :)

[@jamesdougan8789]

g`day dylan great video fantastic image of mars great detail .. was that clouds at the bottom pole and the dark areas look like a face with hair over one eye ...i don't know if anyone else sees it lol bit like the 3d crossed eye art thing i guess fantastic jupiter as well thanks for posting this ..love ya work mate cheers james D

[@DylanODonnell]

Yeh it looks like a hitler emo cat with a Jewish skullcap to me .. which is oddly specific and weird I know.

[@jamesdougan8789]

@@DylanODonnell LMAOOOOOO

[@NG-VQ37VHR]

@@DylanODonnell you're ridiculous. Looking at it, thats all I can see now.

[@DylanODonnell]

NGneer hehehe I know right !

[@VincentGroenewold]

Thanks for that, free software can be great but noone is able to live for free, donating is so important to keep software going and too many don't think it is. For some it's a hobby of course, but even then I think it gives such a developer a great day to grab a coffee. :) I always donate when I use software, I enjoy doing so as well. You can indeed see the effect with Calsky.

[@DylanODonnell]

Yeh I'm still sad about Calsky.. I think if he forced a paid sub service I would've paid!

[@JustJamie-h3l]

good job mate, love your show

[@Rob_1472]

Wow for the 3 sad people that disliked the video you must be really vein and extremely sad people. Well done for the video and donating. For such a widely used and free software, what a great way to recognise the man behind the magic 👍

[@DylanODonnell]

hehe thanks man!

[@nitailevi8001]

Hi, was the auto guiding through the telescope view itself? Can I do that with my tracking alt-az mount? I've never connected it to the computer before.

[@DylanODonnell]

Yes, exactly! Cool huh?

[@nitailevi8001]

Thanks, I'll look into that. I try to avoid more cable like the cable plague... but sounds like it's worth it.

[@davidshadrach6538]

Hi Dylan, I have watched most of your videos and know that you are a hardcore Mac user like me. I have/use FireCapture but, unlike your comment in the video, I cannot get it to save my settings so I have to re-enter data very time I use it. I asked Torsten why this was and he said that because it was free programme he wasn't going to put it on the App Store and pay them a fee every time somebody download it -TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. He did give me a possible solution but it was too complicated for my level of computer knowledge. Did you manage to get the programme to save your settings in a straight forward manner - one I might understand. The second question concerns Winjupos. Do you run it on your Mac via Parallels or WineBotteler?

[@johnadanyliw4092]

Dylan, I have tried FireCapture, but it will not recognize my Meade LPI-G Advanced. It is an ASCOM camera, and it works with PHD2, but FireCapture won't see it. New Camera, or what?

[@geert5811]

As always brilliant video and great initiative! Donated 0,69€ - we use decimal comma over here ;-) g.

[@DylanODonnell]

Well done team!

[@DamienBoath]

Hey, I think i asked you a question on twitter, not sure how often you check. I'm looking to buy my first camera and get into astrophotography. I notice you list the canon EOS6D which is out of my price range. However i have found a EOS 80D with a 18-55mm lens IS STM.... would this be suitable to get underway? I plan to buy a star adventurer 2 mount

[@DylanODonnell]

I think the 80D is a great camera for the price.. the touch/swivel screen really make a difference for us in the dark with our cameras upside down.

[@DamienBoath]

@@DylanODonnell Thanks! Can you recommend a suitable telescope in the $1200 range?

[@salihakturk5348]

What can you see with only an eyepiece? Which one is better, photo or real view?

[@DylanODonnell]

Photo :)

[@l67sleeper]

I decided to really break the rules and did $6.69. By my messed up math that is 69 - 6 times! :) Awesome videos man you got my back into the hobby and now I don't have to worry about having any pesky extra cash laying around. :)

[@DylanODonnell]

Great comment and great donation! Thanks!

[@myidahohomestead.7123]

Yeah ive been trying to figure it out. Can't get it to recognize my camera. Sharpcaps sees my camera but the pictures are junk.

[@geo34south]

Given your penchant for everything Apple, and the name of the software, which was suggestive thereof itself, I fully expected it to be MacOS, but alas, ‘twas not. 😪😉

[@mike-lu8di]

One week hiatus and D's come back is on "FIRE", ............................................................capture.

[@DylanODonnell]

🔥📷

[@andygaras]

donated!

[@marchoude2303]

Does the auto-align + Auto-guiding work with an alt-az mount?

[@book3100]

Mars was fantastic!

[@craiglowery4427]

Hey Dylan what is the link to download Firecapture

[@AfloatFob]

Why did you post this as soon as I came inside from a planetary marathon?

[@DylanODonnell]

To taunt you, clearly.

[@gowdsake7103]

Utterly confused by auto align do you connect the mount to the camera or do you connect the PC. Having never used any tracking all I see is it works great but no one says how to connect to mount. I have a skywatcher scope with synscan and duel encoders the 250 P

[@DylanODonnell]

Research your mounts USB/cable/ascom connection.

[@thesnitch7]

What is the IR filter good for ??

[@DylanODonnell]

Cloud piercing :) (earths.. and viewing active storms on other planets)

[@thesnitch7]

@@DylanODonnell IR filter sounds like another potential video subject ... PS how good an image can you make of Cleopatra's eye nebula? www.skyhound.com/cleopatras_eye.html It's in good position in our part of the world right now....

[@faiind]

#69DUDES Actually, I donated 0.69€ that in AU$ is like... A billion?😅

[@DylanODonnell]

Maybe 0.9 billion AUD .. yup!

[@AstroDenny]

#69DUDES - I've got this installed but I'm still mostly using Sharpcap for my acquisition mostly because I'm using ASI224MC (No filters) and I'm not really interested in time-lapse or animations. Most of my planetary sessions are short. Very cool video though- I might dig into this a little bit tonight.

[@davepastern]

awesome video Dylan. Donated USD $20 towards the firecapture project. Worth every cent (although I am yet to use it in anger). You need to get your priorities right though mate - I expected a beer on screen. Disappointing. :P

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe you bloody legend

[@davepastern]

@@DylanODonnell I have no problems with paying for software (have bought sharpcap pro, PixInsight, Maxim DL years ago, APT etc). Devs need to eat too and we're so lucky in this hobby to have great guys writing software for the community. I still need to buy SGP pro (will try both SGP and APT and see what I prefer). PS I need a hand with my planetary imaging setup - could you offer some advice? - I'm not sure on the best way to set up the imaging train. C9.25, moonlight CS2 focuser, siebert optical 1.5x barlow (trying to hit that optimal f15 for my camera setup), flip mirror, zwo efw mini focusing wheel, zwo 290mm camera. I get very confused still with all of the different connectors and how to set up the imaging train correctly. Have just joined the Brisbane Astronomical Society (waiting on membership to be confirmed though), although work won't probably allow me to catch up that much.

[@DylanODonnell]

@@davepastern I think ota then barlow then everything else

[@GoldSrc_]

I hope the clouds leave me alone tonight to have a crack at Mars.

[@celestromel]

You just don’t drink beers? I thought your drop was fine Aussie dry red 🍷🔭🍷

[@iSuzane]

Which hardware do you need to use this with a camera?

[@banday78]

couldn't get the auto guide trick, should the camera be horizontal in plane?

[@DylanODonnell]

Yes rotate it so the frame is up-down / north-south at rest on an equatorial mount.. or in Jupiters case at least, so the bands are horizontal.

[@grosbidule5548]

Hey Dylan (and everyone else here), I've tried the Asi224 on Jupiter for the first time tonight using Firecapture, and after stacking my video the image I got looked great but when I zoomed in it was very pixelated. Is there a setting in Firecapture that I'm using wrong? How can I get a decent size Jupiter without the pixelation? I'm using a Newtonian 200mm f/5, no barlow. Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help me with this.

[@jimchen6627]

Will i be able to connect my zwo asi224 camera?

[@MakeYouSmarterEveryDay]

Do you know any free softwares for deep space tracking ?

[@kenhorn3178]

I know 90s is 90 seconds but what do the 3 and 9 stand for in 3 x 9 x 90s?

[@ppi57]

12:00 did you just come through a windstorm? ;)

[@Spaced_Out_Bill]

#69DUDES The minimum was $1 so I did $5. I'll donate more when I can. I Love the software and his tutorials.

[@DylanODonnell]

You rock man :)

[@badbob8394]

Can the atmospheric distortion be extrapolated out with software?

[@DylanODonnell]

Yeh I didn't mention it because I don't shoot with a colour camera for planets. Firecapture has ADC built in. But imho you'd only need ADC for a live view. You can realign colour channels in post processing if they're off.

[@astronomynotebook]

When you go into setting and you said you flip something....what was it you exactly clicked on?

[@DylanODonnell]

If you notice it's autoguiding the wrong way East-West (left right) then swap RA in the guide settings... if it's wrong North South (Up down) swap DEC

[@mitars12345]

Can i auto guid with a SE mount??

[@hawkesworth1712]

That 60 year old observatory in Port Macquarie has received a grant of almost $5 million to build a new observatory and science venue.

[@Tony-sq4je]

Can’t get my SVBony 205 to work with it, any suggestions?

[@DylanODonnell]

Drivers ?

[@Tony-sq4je]

It says it’s not supported, only sv305 and up

[@kozlegend8665]

cant do 90% of these because color camera and manual dobsonian someone pls donate computerized scope and mono cam with filters

[@AurumGermany]

I donated to, fore the first tine ever. Sorry Dylan next time you :-))

[@DylanODonnell]

Hehe good work!

[@PagyBio]

1000th like!

[@maxiluo1990]

at your service sire. 0,69 € donated.

[@DylanODonnell]

You rock!

[@ohwell2790]

Why is the image so fuzzy?

[@Ganymede3310]

about a year ago ı started to saving money for zwo asi 290mc but because of the f virus ı cant buy it because its out out of stock on every f store

[@DylanODonnell]

It’s insane isn’t it? Check for an equivalent QHY model ... they are very good. I use qhy a lot.

[@Ganymede3310]

@@DylanODonnell thx for an advice I'm checking right now