Tips & Tricks for the LIDL Devil - Lidl glider RC conversion

[@Tony-ow3if]

Brilliant !!! Great technical info. And great to see constructional neatness and meticulous aerodynamics. Thanks for sharing your expertise!!

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks! Happy that you liked it 😊

[@ashcustomworks]

A discus launch (holding the wingtip and swinging the model at arm's length) at 30% power and about 30° upwards is a very effective method of getting airborne without stalling or coming into contact with the propeller.

[@bavarian_rc]

I once tried to launch it grabbing the leading edge but made two mistakes: 1. miserable technique 😂 2. too much power. The result was a fantastic cartwheel. Never tried to launch it like a DLG. Will definitely try that 👍

[@SharneAndrews]

Great video again! Our club tends to launch wings by holding the leading edge of the wing or wing tip, outward away from us. Swinging forward to launch, not saying it's 100% better, but another option.

[@bavarian_rc]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I tried that as well but either due to my bad throwing style or because of the motor torque it was only resulting in spectacular cart wheels 😂

[@flyman_guy]

Классный самолет получился. Я заметил, что после того как их массово начали переделывать в радиоуправляемые, они резко выросли в цене. Очень сильно.

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks! It is quite amazing what can be built from a kids toy. At least in Germany they kept the initial price at 7,99 €. I already heared that the price in some other countries has increased. Still a bargain.

[@Flybrei]

Super Beschreibung ich glaube das muss ich für unseren Newflidl auch machen. Kennst bestimmt, dass ständig Fragen rein kommen. 👍

[@bavarian_rc]

Ja, das beantwortet dann doch die eine oder andere Frage, weil die Video Beschreibung und alle Info da drin liest kaum einer 😜

[@Flybrei]

@@bavarian_rc was ist lesen? 😜

[@bavarian_rc]

Generation KZbin 😂

[@j.q.higgins2245]

Problem: "With the prop in the back I am quite afraid of hurting my hand when launching it with the motor spinning..." Solution: "4) Ask a friend to launch it for you." Made my day! 😂 🤣 😂 A great and very helpful video; thanks very much for sharing!

[@peterismobiel]

Was thinking the same thing. :-)

[@bavarian_rc]

@J.Q. Higgins: The best jokes are ones you didn't intend to make 😂 … but you are right it sounds a bit like "let him hurt his fingers instead of me..."

[@bavarian_rc]

@peterismobiel 😂😂😂

[@j.q.higgins2245]

@@bavarian_rc No worries, as long as you don't run out of friends... 😁

[@bavarian_rc]

😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@andresherrera3649]

Thank you very much for your video! Very clear.

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks 😃

[@alantoseland6629]

Hi,just a bit of advice please. I've copied all of your recommendation for the build, but the problem I'm having is that it needs a lot of up to fly level. the COG is correct and the down thrust has been reduced, I'm now going to increase the reflex to see if this has any effect. You have mention prop torque being a problem, but glad to say it hasn't been a problem

[@bavarian_rc]

Hi, I would increase the reflex to see what happens. That‘s basically, what I did. I increased the reflex until it was flying level and then played with the thrust angle and reflex combination until the behavior was as neutral as possible when changing the power. Let me know if the increasing of the reflex worked. For sure the amount of reflex depends also on the size of your ailerons. If they have less depth you might need more reflex.

Super everything reasonably explained, so let us Lidl flies

[@bavarian_rc]

Yes, keeping in mind the thousands and thousands of gliders that were sold by Lidl... there is plenty to do 😂 cheers my friend

[@dazza9360]

Thanx for the great design & video

[@sebastianehringer4088]

Super vielen lieben Dank für die schnelle Antwort.

[@Mkel.]

excelente video :D

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks a lot!

[@meljones7066]

Excellent information, thank you my friend you have a new subscriber

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks man! 👍

[@elcotorro]

Mucha gracias buen vídeo Saludos desde jalisco

[@CheapCheerful]

Is that packing tape you used to attach the ailerons? Seems to work well?

[@bavarian_rc]

Well observed. It’s indeed clear packing tape. I use it on the upper side of the hinge. On the bottom side I add a thin layer of hot glue and smear it with a squeegee to get a very thin hinge that is still flexible. Very robust solution. Never had any issues with it.

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Hey Glückwunsch zu 1000 Abos 🎊🎉

[@bavarian_rc]

Danke! Ich hätt‘s nie für möglich gehalten... Nächster Meilenstein 10.000 😂

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Meep, meep, Volldampf voraus! Ich habe jetzt auch meine 30 Abos zusammen 😅

[@johnvanlit4546]

Hello, The Graupner ultra 2812 1200 kv is not available.What is a replacement motor? Best regards,John

[@bavarian_rc]

Hi John, yes unfortunately these motors are no longer available. You could use any other 2212 1200kv motor as long as it can handle 3s and around 15-18A (note: the 2812 is actually a 2212 but Graupner used the outer diameter instead of the normally used stack diameter). If you can get hold of the Flite Test radials then you could use the "FT Radial 2212B 1050kV" (store.flitetest.com/ft-radial-2212b-1050kv-brushless-motor/)

[@johnvanlit4546]

@@bavarian_rc Thank you.

[@peterfranzen3538]

I wish we could get those or something like it here in Australia.

[@j.q.higgins2245]

There are two options from banggood you might want to consider (no affiliation, just plain product links :-)): 1) The original "Lidl" design (however at about 3 times the price): www.banggood.com/33Inches-Big-Size-Hand-Launch-Throwing-Aircraft-Airplane-DIY-Inertial-Foam-EPP-Plane-Toy-p-1453706.html?rmmds=mywishlist&ID=533291&cur_warehouse=CN#customerQA 2) A different design at the same price point as Lidl and slightly larger wingspan (rather for your own rc conversion than adapting Bavarian RC's design, which would probably require some modification to suit this airframe): www.banggood.com/100cm-Wingspan-Hand-Throwing-Plane-Fixed-Wing-DIY-Racing-Airplane-Epp-Foam-Plane-Toy-p-1511404.html?rmmds=mywishlist&ID=229&cur_warehouse=CN Good luck!

[@bavarian_rc]

I have seen a lot of posts in RC forums where people try to find an equivalent on bangood or any Chinese platform, but obviously they are only on sale at Lidl. I hope one day you will get the chance to get them in Australia as well.

[@bavarian_rc]

@J.Q. Higgins: I didn't find it on bangood, thanks for posting the link … but the price is really too high. The one with 100cm wingspan look interesting.

[@ashcustomworks]

K-MART sells them as "Big Foam Glider" in Australia and New Zealand.

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks for this info. I hope there will be much more glider conversions in Australia!

[@istvansoos1055]

Hi! Thank you for.this plane! I made one, but I'm afraid of the 500 gramn weight. Should I? Thrust is 660 gramms. Yours is the older glider, mine is 2021. What should I take care of? Maybe cg on other place? Thx!

[@bavarian_rc]

Hi, I think you‘re on the safe side with your thrust to weight ratio. I also just bought some 2021 gliders and I have noticed that they changed the airfoil to a half symmetrical one. This has definitely an effect on the amount of reflex that you need. You‘ll have to test it, maybe you take a little bit less than what I have on the old version. CG should be the same. Also be prepared to adjust the thrust angle of the motor. Don‘t worry too much, the Lidl glider is quite robust and easy to fix in case of crash. I needed about 10-15 launch trials with different settings until it flew well. It took quite some punishment during these trials. Let me know your experience as I plan to do one with the new 2021 version as well... but that will be a winter build. Good luck!

[@istvansoos1055]

@@bavarian_rc Thx! As I maiden it, I will show you!

[@Gormotech]

Nice vidéo one more in your Fan Club 😄

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks buddy, great that liked it and thanks for joining 👍

[@peterismobiel]

Great video. (Again) Question about the center of gravity. You mention this is 35mm from leading edge. Is this for all the LIDL gliders? Regardless how you modify/hack it or just fir the LidlDevil?

[@bavarian_rc]

The CG at 35mm is only valid for a flying wing setup similar to my Lidl Devil. For a standard setup (with horizontal and vertical stabilizer) the CG should be at around 60mm from the leading edge.

[@HeyCoalCat]

Needs a longer larger vertical stabilizer and stick the motor on the front

[@bavarian_rc]

Well that‘s definitely an option. In terms of weight distribution the pusher configuration is better in order to get it balanced. I was also a bit worried about the size of the VSTAB but actually had no issues with stability

[@HeyCoalCat]

@bavarian_rc just to be clear, I mean stretching the vertical stabilizer back further, making it longer. Look at the DW Hobbies Lighting forward swept flying wing

[@bavarian_rc]

@HeyCoalCat Got you! I thought making it larger. Nevertheless this thing flies surprisingly well. It doesn’t even have the typical flying wing wobble

[@elcotorro]

Maravilloso que buena creatividad

[@bavarian_rc]

Muchas gracias y saludos desde Alemania

[@rolandeckmeier8961]

Denkst du dass man den Lidl Devil auch ohne Motor bauen kann? (Als reines Segelflugzeug?)

[@bavarian_rc]

Klar, das geht auf jeden Fall. Gleitet auch ohne Motor ziemlich gut. Hab auch schon ein paar Umbauvideos zum Nurflügel Segler gesehen

[@janspoelstra8309]

Faltpropellor statt fiberglass reinforce tape?

[@bavarian_rc]

Das geht natürlich auch!

[@Timessquareful]

Super 🤗

[@bavarian_rc]

Danke ☺️

[@lewismcgarry1349]

Could I fit a 2200 3s?

[@bavarian_rc]

I never tried, but if you hollow the fuselage further back to host the receiver it could be possible. But definitely a tight fit. CG could be an issue.

[@lewismcgarry1349]

@@bavarian_rc okay thank you. I could fix cg with a few lead balls embedded into the fuselage. Just wondering if the battery could fit. Thank you for the info. Very helpful as always

[@littlfire]

cool!!

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks! 7,99 EUR chuck glider ... and it's so much fun!!!

[@giorgioottaviani2841]

I like your video related to Lidl glider. But in Italy this glider was never arrived in the shops in the last 2 years. Pity.

[@bavarian_rc]

Thanks 😀 I hope some of the marketing guys at Lidl read these comments... there are huge markets for Lidl gliders around the world. I hope one day you will get the chance the buy one

[@bavarian_rc]

Check the comment from J.Q. Higgins, there is a link to bangood, could be interesting

[@opravilmarinade]

You literally say motor shaft up and then you add the nuts under the upper screws so the motor angle is opposite and it pushes the plane down. I've done pretty much everything like you did but the motor pushes my lidl delta wing to the ground every time I try to handlaunch it

[@opravilmarinade]

And once I get it in the air, it tends to fall into an uncontrollable spin and falls to the ground

[@bavarian_rc]

If you look at the plans (link in video description) you‘ll see the correct angle. The reason for adding nuts under the upper screws was that I didn‘t cut the fuselage at a correct angle. After some flying I think I could even reduce the angle a bit more and give it a bit more reflex. When I cut the power for landing it has a tendency to drop the nose down. With less thrust angle and more reflex it should be good. For hand launching give it some ticks of up trim and throw hard with a 30 degree up angle without motor power and then quickly apply power.

[@bavarian_rc]

Are you sure your CG is ok. If it goes into a spin it is likely tail heavy. Or it could be that the motor torque at low airspeed it causing this effect. In that case don’t give full throttle but only half and then slowly increase power once you have gained some airspeed. Btw you speak about a delta wing which would be a completely different setup but I guess it is not a real delta but the same geometry as mine?

[@opravilmarinade]

@@bavarian_rc it is pretty much the same shape as your Lidl wing. I think I found out why it behaves so bad once I throw it in the air with motor on, because my motor angle is the opposite direction as it should be (shaft down) :D and I'm using 2807 1700kv motor, that should have less torque than the motor you used. I'll unglue the motor, get a proper cg and let you know if it flies, thanks for the answers tho

[@bavarian_rc]

Good luck and let me know if it works. It took me quite a while until I got mine working but thankfully it is quite robust 😜

[@CountryMaster16]

where the heck do you get the fiberglas reenforced tape within germany

[@bavarian_rc]

Search for „Tesa Ultra Resistant Filamentband, 50m x 50mm“ on Amazon

[@ilanazaria4864]

Where can I order the glider?

[@bavarian_rc]

Hi, it depends on where you live. If there is Lidl in your country then you can get it every year around May or June in their stores or online shop. If not you could try to get this one: The Pilo XL from Jamara jamara-shop.com/Pilo-XL-Foam-Hand-Launch-glider-EPP-wing-orange-fuselage-blue It is very similar or could be even the same as the Lidl glider version I used for my Lidl Devil.

[@Вертилоид]

Я сделал вполне бюджетный вариант. С воздушки PCP завалил ворону. На столе её расправил в положение полёта вверх лапами. Размах получился 58 см. Сушил долго.... Месяц. Воняла ссука сильно первые две недели. К лапам приделал колёсики 40 мм. Мотор 2205 посадил на моторамку в клюв. Благо клюв позволяет. . Литий 2 банки. Вес получился 390 грамм. Летает стабильно. Сейчас хочу убить вОрона. У него размах до 70 см можно получить. В идеале конечно лучше цаплю использовать - из неё можно дальнолета до 10 км хорошего сделать🤔👍. Такие вот дела.

[@bavarian_rc]

Are you sure we belong to the same universe?

[@Вертилоид]

@@bavarian_rc я сам по себе. И другие мне не нужны🤣🤣🤣👍

[@Dreez]

Kannst du mir so nen Gleiter zu schicken, bei mir drüben im Lidl find ich sowas nird :/

[@bavarian_rc]

Schau mal auf www.lidl.de und suche nach "PLAYTIVE Segelflieger" … noch gibt es welche, sogar reduziert auf 6,99 €

[@whome7004]

I've never seen the glider for sale!?!?!

[@bavarian_rc]

I also heard that in some countries Lidl never had them on sale, for whatever reason

[@heady2008]

They are offered once a year as a weekly special buy in most countries where Lidl have stores. In the UK it was late May but in other countries it was later. Worth signing up for their specials email and joining the Facebook group facebook.com/groups/303874000069865/ as you'll then have some advance warning. There might even be someone in your country willing to sell and ship a spare one to you

[@stickmixfpv188]

Have a look at my channel. There's a video from last year's. Have you tried, launching it from the wingtip? Works well for me without coming near the spinning prop.

[@bavarian_rc]

Just checked your channel, good stuff there 👍 it looks so easy to launch from the wing tip, when I tried it (05:06) it was a complete disaster. Also your other methods of launching flying wings over head looks soooooo easy. I have to work on that...

[@stickmixfpv188]

Feel free to reach out to me on FB for instant help if you need further advice. I launch up to 1.5m wings by myself 😉

[@bavarian_rc]

I will try again my luck... and in case get in touch with you 👍🏻

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Wenn ich die Teile hätte, flöge ich schon längst so einen 😜

[@bavarian_rc]

Mit der Zeit kommen die Teile schon zusammen, bleib dran am Hobby und mach weiter so!

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Hatte auch nicht vor aufzuhören🤣 Ist eines der besten Hobbys überhaupt (abgesehen vielleicht von echtem Segelflug 😉)

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Ich könnte ja Mal ein Video von einem Schulstart in einer Duo-Discus hochladen, müsste das dann aber mit Musik machen weil darauf der Fluglehrer zu hören ist

[@bavarian_rc]

Das hab ich bisher noch nicht geschafft, in einem echten Segelflieger mitzufliegen, wäre sicher interessant das Video hochzuladen 👍

[@Rundumsfliegen]

Ich werde jetzt Mal dieses Video raussuchen, mit Musik Unterlegen (Fluglehrer), und hochladen.😁

[@markballenger513]

use a nose hook bungee

[@bavarian_rc]

Could be a good solution… never tried that.