Titanfall 2 Tier List - March 2017 - All Guns, Titans, Boosts, and Tacticals Ranked!

[@OmegaPrimeBeast]

"Roll the dice is B tier" "Don't use it outside of live fire" *laughs in amped smart pistol*

[@bernardo4157]

Mothaship Q WAIT, YOU CAN AMP THE SMART PISTOL?!!?

[@RetroRampage]

yeah if you get amped weapons first and then get smart pistol, you can activate them one after another and get an amped smart pistol. The chances are so low, but it's possible.

[@OmegaPrimeBeast]

Yeet, turns it from a three shot kill to a two shot kill, allowing you to potentially get 12 kills out of the thing instead of 8. RetroRampage is right though, the odds aren't high but they're higher than you'd think. Frothy is spot on when he says that you have higher odds of getting them good good boosts.

[@KhârnTheAngry]

Yeah, and trust me its fucking ridiculous. I love it as much as i hate it :')

[@Apollo-tj1vm]

Mothaship Q also if you get a pilot sentry in boody hunt at 35% you can kick your team start by a lot

[@AlmantasKli]

Ticks on C tier as a boost. Spicy boys on SSS tier as a meme. 🔥🔥🌶️🌶️🔥🔥

[@declan2775]

Almantas Kli Vaughny?

[@AlmantasKli]

Well r/titanfall mostly, but yeah! :D redd.it/60tis1

[@nikodemvankenobi]

Almantas Kli Spicy Bois*

[@Echo1608.]

I've actually been using Holopilot a lot more lately because it can counter Pulse blade, since respawn made it so holograms show up on the Pulses. Also Bamboozling people is fun.

[@merono3113]

"melee" S tier* lol

[@aninterestingpenguin9374]

True

[@ItsCioffi]

merono ensen seriously. Idk what happened between now and the live fire update but it's feeling like they added commando pro to melee.

[@lymh4850]

That's when you are the laggy son of a b*tch who takes every punch with his face and completely impervious while he punches you from across the map when 4 buildings and all 12 titans in his way.

[@Karma_8413]

Because it has too much lunge

[@merono3113]

Green Arrow yeah it has way to much attraction and range. I would not mind an adjustment to the melee range.

[@mrsomebody]

Friday night at 11pm Scorch is definitely C Tier. But Saturday morning, 8 am - suddenly gets bumped to S Tier. "Uh, little dude. You're standing in fire. Fire hurts, that's why you're dying."

[@TheAtHamptonDotCom]

this is the truest shit anybody said. time of day is the most busted weapon.

[@domonator5000]

they should replace amped wall with hard cover and make amped wall a boost

[@drift2557]

I agree with that. Hard cover literally is just a wall with no extra damage

[@adamskyarmy6159]

No that would be overpowered for somebody that stacks up their boosts

[@vo3_bigpizza_yt921]

Adam Skyarmy That... makes no sense.

[@grimreefer9324]

I had no idea the hard cover even existed until I looked it up. It's the A-Wall... but worse. And you need to get your 20% before you can slap it down. And it can be destroyed.

[@heiseigodzilla4914]

A-wall should stay

[@midnightgreen20]

In terms of consoles, I think it's worth noting that the flatline would be considered a-tier, borderline s-tier. With the aim assist, it ends up being way too consistent at killing at close to medium range thanks to the damage buff it received a while ago. It is to the point now that it can go toe-to-toe with SMGs in close quarters, and on some occasions outclass them thanks to RNG.

[@spidudetoo1212]

midnightgreen20 don't forget the g2 is s-tier on console also with its absurd aim assist and accuracy.

[@LeeONardo]

I've noticed an annoying increase in phase shift/Flatline users. I rarely see Alternators as if everyone sees a Flatline as its bigger, better brother.

[@argusy3866]

I dont like the G2. Yes is powerfull and everything, but I always have the feeling that I kill faster with full auto guns.

[@thebigson8721]

midnightgreen20 I agree

[@commonsense2191]

Ive been killed by smart pistol like twice, in all my time in Titanfall 2. Im gen 8.37 and the weapon is of no threat as long as they dont sneak up on you. I can outclass it with pretty much anything. I don't see why people complain about it, it's worse than it was in Titanfall and Titanfall 2 has much faster kill time than the first. Plus its really easy to get the turn around on them since it displays "pilot locking"

[@aolson1111]

Reid Gilbert Seriously. You could run smart pistol, or you could take a shotgun or r-97 and do 100 times better, and NOT completely gimp yourself against Titans.

[@commonsense2191]

A Olson Exactly

[@dkcsi9256]

Reid Gilbert People complain about it because they suck. They cant turn around and fire in under 5 seconds which is plenty of time or even turn a corner.

[@commonsense2191]

HoivinDax SteamAchievement Or even phase shift.

[@aaronb6878]

in the first game this thing was total aids, but honestly i dont mind it the second time around. There was a time when i used it almost exclusively (as a boost, not as a gun lmao) in bounty hunt just to farm minions fast.

[@mand0rk]

If every ability is OP, wouldn't that mean none of them are? Let's buff holo pilot and cloak. Bring 'em to S tier.

[@ItsCioffi]

mand0rk I've been thinking that exact same thing. Tacticals being OP is the point. If all of them are OP then that is the balance point. Bring cloak back to its original setting where firing makes you flicker and make holopilots a little less dumb and then every tactical is s tier. However with that said I would like to see some big changes because as much as I think tactical should be powerful, everything should have a counter play. For example, a wall should be destroyable either by destroying the base or brute damage. No health should regen in phase shift. Sonar blade should pulse like map hack. Stim I think it fine as is.

[@AntiAirStryke]

Cloak was S tier. It was ridiculous. If they made it so you could selectively activate/deactivate it like in Crysis, then it would be fine.

[@Malakith]

Cloak is more than fine imo. Holo pilot though...oh boy.

[@mand0rk]

ItsCioffi I feel like focusing fire on a segment of A-wall should start to degrade that segment. That way the entire thing doesn't go down after a few shots, but it still leaves you vulnerable.

[@ItsCioffi]

mand0rk that's definitely an interesting idea. The whole wall can't be destroyed but holes can be punched it it. This would also make it valuable for a team to focus fire an awall to remove it. It's been said before though, a wall and hard cover seem like they are in opposite places.

[@MarkJohnson-jx3zr]

The tone and diction of this video would have you believe that he really doesn't like this game.

[@Paul_Ivanish]

Hey Frothy. Thanks again for videos like these. The update value to the information you provide is quite high, and frankly, since I finished that Witcher 3 game and its expansions, I'm giving some serious thought to returning. Although, honestly, seeing how broken the Pilot Tactical kits are, everything is put back into perspective. Regardless, thanks much and see you in game.

[@MidnightWyvern]

GOD your music selections are smooth as hell. I never thought I'd watch videos that make fast-paced shooter gameplay relaxing and chill.

[@solomonchild3398]

MidnightWyvern I like zone out and meditate to it lol

[@bluefinretro6670]

Is there any reason to use the carbine compared to the CAR? I mean really.

[@FrothyOmen]

aim assist mostly

[@MillionthZeroGaming]

As someone that uses the RE-45, Holopilot, and Scorch, I feel personally attacked

[@FrothyOmen]

i probably broke like 3 things in this video that I don't even know about, pls use this thread to make fun of me thx ;_;

[@shibs_bot]

this is a happy place no bullying.

[@MrRubenMdA]

FrothyOmen It's okay! Nice video anyway :D

[@jfitz7777]

Fuck you frothy, I do not watch your videos because you are black.

[@R00KIE_GUY]

Giovanni Lemos, Burst firing solves that problem.

[@forrestballard8968]

Why do attack Respawn? "Respawn hates fun." Respawn is doing a great job of doing what we want from complaints and you further complain to them? Give them a break

[@superheartattack7498]

Thanks for another great video Frothy. It's impressive how you foreshadowed problems that would arise in TF2 back in your critiques of the the TF1 dlc. In particular, you mentioned how the flatness of Zone-18 ruined the pilot vs titan dynamic. And that type of level design's a huge problem in TF2. Through a combination of highlighting pilots, long sightlines, laned maps, and a low TTK-Respawn lowered the skill floor too much. Now everyone's a threat, even if they barely move. It's created this weird disparity where the players that are playing the game like CoD are rewarded more than the players striving to improve at parkour. It reminds me of how in Mario Kart everyone's kept close together, even if someone's much better at racing than the rest. At a certain point, even if you're winning most of the races it's still not satisfying because you feel handicapped. That's how Titanfall 2 feels to me. But, I could just be nuts.

[@crimmycat117]

i still see Tone being an S tier titan. She still has built in wall hacks, a Really good wall that rivals the great wall of china, the capability to do damage around corners without seeing your opponent and a core that says "Fuck your fun :^) " despite it being less damaging than it was before. She's enough to be rivals with ion. Only thing holding her back (which is super debatable in itself) would be her Primary 40mil but even still that's decent. inb4 i get called a tone main

[@Designation6]

CrimsonCat117 not meme enough so I'm offended -_-

[@iMarcusXBL]

Shes strong, but the salvo damage nerf has really limited her. shes in line now

[@crimmycat117]

iMarcusXBL i agree to an extent. while the damage is definitely lower, the core itself is still powerful all because you can guide the missles to by pass enemy defenses. the core work against every titan except a blocking ronin (tho most cores dont work on him when blocking). it's why for me shes still an S tier titan.

[@fpkblast8465]

CrimsonCat117 tones a girl? wtf

[@Boobienjoyer]

CrimsonCat117 ronin is the Mexicans ronin can arc wave the particle wall and it'll get destroyed instantly so I wouldn't compare it to the great Wall of China also Mexicans can go right through the particle wall but hey that's just my opinion

[@jonathanbjarnemar8650]

Scorch is really good in my opinion, can close off ways, become a sniper when needed and wreak everything when using flame-shield

[@tobiasayres1932]

Good Scorch main here scorch can close gaps with flame shield punish pushing titans and stop retreating titans. The only way scorch fails is if you are up against a skilled ronin or lazor core.

[@foremanski9237]

Smart pistol shouldn't be removed, I don't think it should be changed much either. You overestimate how well people can use it as most people just single tap it, thinking how that works. I have a lot of fun playing with it however one interesting way of nerfing it (if it had to) would be to only add it to the dice roll. Therefore we have more variety with boost usage as well as still providing a route for people to still play the smart pistol. Edited to clear up my views, just saying if there are nerfs this could be an interesting idea

[@shibs_bot]

you can get it from dice roll.

[@herpderp1974]

Uhhhhhhh why? It has 2 clips and is a boost nothing needs to be done to it...it also removes your anti titan weapon putting you at a disadvantage in titan game modes

[@Drivaawwrrr]

Perhaps make it so that it can only fire only once a full lock-on is acquired...?, and maybe extend the time required to lock-on (although i think it's fine where it is now personally).

[@foremanski9237]

RUAPRO RONIN I know, just saying it could be restricted to dice roll instead of boost on its own it it had to be nerfed

[@foremanski9237]

Herp Derp a low cost boost that allows you to pretty much auto-win gunfights if used properly. Also why the hell would you use smart pistol in Titan vs Titan? In any other Titan game modes you could just as easily pick up another weapon from someone you kill.

[@aaronbank-sedore7111]

I've been really really looking forward to this updated teir list!!!

[@justinzhang8436]

SWITCH HARD COVER WITH A-WALL WHOS WITH ME

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

TFW I start watching your channel in October, then stop, then start watching again now, and only now discover you meme. I've been missing so much.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

Can you just add a bitch tier and leave the devotion in it?

[@esotericschizoidoccultconjurer]

lel... sadly I totally exploit op weapons like that daily.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

MilkStud Bullet I feel like a cunt whenever that gun is even in one of my loadouts, the level of salt that gun brings out of me is insane.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

Storm A wall + Devotion + Tone = get out

[@kryvex4996]

Your Waifu's best friend nah. G2 users fuckin camp at the edge of the map and spam kill me with perfect accuracy and zero recoil. same with ronin with his sword block that has an infinite fucking duration and practically turns him into the goddamn T1000 and always has his sword core ready.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

Kryvex G2 gets thrown into bitch tier, Ronin users get thrown into bitch tier until a cooldown is placed on sword block

[@drearyplane8259]

Thoughts of a very new, console player: The Mastiff has one use - it's pretty effective in close-range campaign Spectre fights. I really like the MGL, it just means I don't have to worry about aiming while I'm trying not to die in Titan v Pilot fights.

[@Mellmanyt]

Facts

[@OrangeOO7]

I hate how R97 and Amped Weapons boost is accepted by most of the players. Meanwhile I'm playing with EPG and and I'm getting all the salt and hate. What is wrong with people? Why does Respawn even try to achieve a balance when there is the cancerous balance breaking Amped Weapons boost in the game.

[@NeroLeblanc]

Shuichi bc epg actually takes skill

[@OrangeOO7]

I should have mentioned that I'm on PC

[@KolyatKrios]

Actually can't believe you think that a slow firing projectile weapon is easier to use than an SMG in this game just because it has a bit of splash damage

[@NeroLeblanc]

***** It's slow firing and has barely any splash damage. Just because you hit someone with splash damage doesn't mean it's going to be a kill. You have to hit directly in order for it to be a one hit kill.

[@OrangeOO7]

@Nico Laub @ KolyatKrios EPG is not easy to use. If you pick that gun you are at a disadvantage (which is fine because it's meant to be an anti titan gun too). It has like the highest time to kill. Also direct hits against fast moving players are difficult as fuck. If I kill you with 2 or 3 splash damage shots it means that you are bad because you couldn't kill me before. You need to carefully lead and place your shots while wall jumping and slide hoping like mad about the map to be any decent with this gun in pubs. Any smg (besides volt) is easier to use and more efficient than the EPG. Oh also an EPG player has to deal with his own splash damage. But seriously have you watched this video and have you watched Frothy's other videos too? I don't think so.

[@MechanicReeper]

I choose the mastiff all the time in live fire and wreck, sometimes it reaches just a bit farther than Eva-8, plus it is more often a one shot unlike Eva

[@JustAJoX]

New Frothy vid ? first like,then watch

[@EingefrorenesEisen]

Fist we like, then we watch!

[@a-ks.5837]

Then we drink!

[@luckybuddy1234]

Just AJoX first we dislike, then report

[@gameguy301]

the explanation of why the lists that didn't change where left out, ironically took up to much time, it would have taken less time to just say nothings changed, throw up a summarized list on screen for 10 seconds and say for explanations check previous video [annotation link].

[@richardvlasek2445]

Do you re-use scripts from older videos? Because I'm pretty sure I heard many of the lines you said before.

[@Srparisher]

Richard Vlášek it's likely, no reason to fix what isn't broken.

[@Starkillerscat]

Shane Parish If it isn't broken, it doesn't have enough functions yet

[@zyad48]

He probably didnt change a lot of the script from the last one because it did a good enough job of explaining most things anyways

[@bernardo4157]

If it ain't fix, don't break it

[@LukeSmith-kt2ir]

The Mastiff low key is really good. I go positive with that thing in pilots v pilots, and sometimes I can seriously wreck the other team

[@ronintheronin8035]

could it be that they took the mozambique as base for the "double" take?

[@iamhappyso]

Imo alternator flatline phase shift devotion g2 and ion laser shot need a nerf

[@Tunaposting]

iamhappyso PSN the Alternator would be fine if it wasn't so strong at a range. Or if it was like, a designated long range SMG in which case it should probably deal less damage up close. Also Laser Shot 100% ruins any possible long range play from any Titan. Which is sad considering that's all Northstar can do. It should consume something like 60% of Ion's energy so it can't be spammed so easily while still being semi reliable. Also hitscan Northstar please.

[@iamhappyso]

Vinny Sape Yeah northstar's plasma railgun having travel time and laser shot not having travel time makes no sense at all smh

[@Irfan87]

Ion's Laser Shot SHOULD be HITSCAN, it's a LASER. It's fine as it is. I do agree North'star's Plasma Railgun should be hitscan or damn near to it, its a freaking railgun afterall. With that being said, it still outranges Ion's LS. Also LS should take up 60% of Ion's ability? BULLSHIT, Ion is the most balanced Titan in game. Laser Shot is pretty much is only offence since the Splitter Rifle sucks balls. It can only be shot twice anyway and doing so will take away its power to use other abilities. Pls dont be silly.

[@ItsCioffi]

iamhappyso PSN the railgun having travel time makes so much sense. Since after all it is shooting a projectile. That's the point of a railgun. The problem is the laser shot does to much damage on critical heats which are stupidly easy to get with it because of the more than generous hitbox. See when happens when a ronin shows up after you've popped two laser shots and tell me how OP laser shot is. You're all but dead. I don't disagree that I've always felt ION was top tier but it's strength can also be it's weakness as ION can be easily overwhelmed because of your low DPS. As with most problems in the game I find that it all revolves around the shields. Tones problem was never the salvo or 40mm, the problem was that the shield cooldown starts before the wall is down again giving a tone player almost unrestricted use of mobile cover with enhanced wall. I find that ions power lies in the fact that certain abilities don't drain the vortex shield. Catching a legion power shot should always drain 1/4 of energy. Catching a fully charged railgun or rocket barrage should do something similar. While being poked by laser shot is annoying(and also the best ion strat) I find that ions power is in relentless pushing due to your fully mobile defense, always allowing you to move to the more advantageous position in the map. Fix the shields and I think a lot of balance issues will be fixed

[@scythe1d568]

im glad you gave us a warning that this is just your oppinion. i disagree with everything here, but then again, thats just my oppinion. (no hate or anything. just really glad you told beforehand so people wouldnt explode in hate) love your vids btw!

[@colehastings3015]

When no one uses the volt on console because it horrible and then it gets a nerf

[@esotericschizoidoccultconjurer]

Yeah, that volt nerf really and absurdly pisses me off I want it to be buffed so it can compete with the R201 and the CAR on console, I actually like the volt and feel it deserves a little more love.

[@parkillerness]

it is because of Microsoft contracts mandating that make it so that PC and concole volt got nerfed together.

[@parkillerness]

console*

[@outsource3786]

The one kinda huge problem with Titanfall 2 is the huge disparity in game play between consoles and PC. This would'n't be as big of a problem if Respawn didn't broadband nerf it, but rather nerfed it according to playability. On PC the volt was godlike because it was a laser that made it a point and click gun, nullifying any weapon with kick. You put your cross hair on someone at any range, and mow them down with 3 or 4 bullets. Because of this, it was given a huge damage penalty, which actually balanced it. Its still a laser, but at least you can't snipe with it. On console, however, it was awful because it was a laser, and was given very little aim assist. Sure, a good controller user could make do with it, but compared to other guns, it was at a disadvantage because of its low aim assist. Now its practically unusable because of its low damage and aim assist. I suggest to only use it to meme, or to poke snipers and be an annoying douche bag.

[@MyLordZeus]

The smart pistol isn't crap, everyone just hates it bec it's so good

[@herpderp1974]

Everyone start complaing about the airborne accuracy penalty. So dumb that shit needs to go.

[@Dioshiroupn]

literally punishing players for playing agile.

[@Tobascodagama]

Or just making it that boots-on-ground players aren't even more completely fucked than they already are? Multiplayer games need new players to stay viable, but you can't retain new players if they're getting smoked from across the map by ninjas two seconds after they spawn.

[@zyad48]

Tobasco's argument: that would give a skill gap, we totally cant have that

[@Tobascodagama]

That's not my argument at all. Unless literally everything in your game is decided by RNG, skill gaps will always exist. The question is how big that skill gap should be and how it's expressed. In the case of the recoil penalty, it's basically saying that you can be a super happy fun ball ninja and master the mobility game, but that's going to come at a penalty to your ability to aim super precisely. Ninjas already have an advantage over players who focus on their aiming skills over mobility, because ninjas can already rotate to objectives faster, are harder to kill, and can approach from unexpected angles to get the jump on less-mobile players. All the recoil penalty does is say "hey, if you're gonna be a badass ninja, we're gonna dial back your TTK a tiny bit so your advantage doesn't feel totally unfair to everybody else".

[@herpderp1974]

Dude they have A-wall and Amped weapons to abuse that have no counter other then flanking or a well tossed nade. Meanwhile the players who use the movements system are being nerfed why?

[@Nagstersept109868]

I 100% agree with you about tacticals. Break pulse blade into 2 tacticals. 1 with just a single, one time ping on your radar over the current range of pulse blade. 2 being the pulse blade now but a much much smaller radius, like cover a single doorway or room and not an entire lane and a half on attrition maps. Right now pulse is idiotic. With phase I have no idea why it gets 2 charges. It's good enough already to get out of any problem but 2 charges being used back to back is very annoying. A wall is one of those things in games where when you see it you just leave the area. Even if there isn't an enemy behind I'll just walk away from a lane or flank route if I see one. These abilities are way too strong especially considering how often you can use them. With pre nerf hemlock with tactical I could have games where I had wall hacks on the enemy for like 85% of the match that I wasn't in my Titan.

[@mrsomebody]

The reason no one has caught on to the r-97 in my opinion is it isn't really distinctive, so you don't really notice when you are getting repeatedly killed by it. The Devotion's wind up sound is so distinct you get annoyed every time you hear it. The Hemlock's triple fire was super unique as well. The gun I'm starting to get annoyed hearing is the G2. I'd say it is S tier right now b/c you can stand at the back of the map and do hella damage similar to what the Hemlock used to be.

[@FrothyOmen]

+Paul Forrester interesting theory! Yeah, the r97 doesn't have the same punch as the other guns when you get killed by it. Maybe that's a contributing factor.

[@KnobleKnives]

I'm a simple man. I see a tier list by FrothyOmen, I click and upvote before even watching.

[@savagejackson8007]

Your so salty this time around. You need to take a break from this game and have fun with it when you play.

[@kylegilliam5389]

Savage Jackson Fun? In an FPS game? On PC? When the R-97 and Devotion rule the lands? HAHAHAHAHA!

[@guytypeperson]

I think Frothy is just a little too hung up on the idea of competitive play. Not that there isn't a place for it, but he seems super salty because he has gotten good enough that he can only be challenged by other sweaty tryhards and his public matches are just him scoring 250+ points and shitting on CoD kiddies that can't wallrun. I play the shit out of this game, and love it. I'm not great, but I have decent mobility (I get vertical and stay off the ground, even though I still suck as hoping/strafing), I usually top-3 in pubs (Roughly 70% of my matches), and I normally only get my ass handed to me when REALLY good people show up (that's not anything to brag about really, I'm just describing my point of view relative to Frothy's). When I get aggravated by plenty of cheesy things, like the smart pistol or titan drop kills in bounty hunt, but Frothy sounds damn near ready to quit, and it's probably because he's hit the ceiling. I think he has flown too close to the sun, and gotten burned. I mean, this game is about being a goddamned SciFi super hero with a 40 ft tall robot, the tacticals are supposed to be insane.

[@Blazon94]

Love this dude, keep em coming.

[@Dang3rMouSe]

Alot of bitching @ Respawn...😳 IMO they deserve an award for creating 1 of the best FPS ever, creating free DLC maps & game modes (unheard of nowadays) & still caring enough to balance weapons that truly need it 🎉

[@FrothyOmen]

Not really. If I didn't love the series and the development team, I wouldn't be here making a half hour long video about their game and helping people get better at it.

[@frankbomb4668]

I love phase shift because it reminds me of stranger thing(you know... going into different realities)and the character model is my favorite.

[@jayclark4239]

I think you're being unfair about the tacticals. They are mostly overpowered yes, but that makes everything equal? If everything is OP, then nothing is OP, game plays amazingly because of it and makes it better than the other big FPS games

[@tommasosimonini4469]

Topnotch 1998 problem is : not everyone of them is op, seriously there is no reasons to run holo pilot when you could just phase shift around the map, run like you've inhaled 20kg of coke or just know the whereabouts of your ennemies with a knife...

[@Unmedicated_Moments]

Topnotch 1998 Wrong. Ghosts has all OP weapons and it fucking sucks

[@jayclark4239]

Old glory ghosts was shit because it was ghosts 😂 you can't compare ghosts and the play style of it and guns to titanfall, that's just wrong! But I enjoyed ghosts to be fair

[@samfish2550]

I will say that my current favorite death cam is a guy blasting me to pieces as I enter a narrow hall who I didn't know was there.... Only to reveal the tick that I had seconds before decided randomly to place down as it readied to detonate.... Tick power man. Don't doubt it....

[@MrAtomBomber]

I'm an avid console player and I have to say, majority of the phase shifts that I saw in this video I could predict so your whole point on "You guys are playing the game slow". And if you think that there is that much of a difference between PC and Console gameplay then why don't you just make 2 tier guides for PC and Console?

[@matthewbellows7929]

jeez frothy you are madly talented at this game, recently ive just been getting the weapons to g2.0 just to use them and then figure out what ones i like but i definitely felt how bad the volt got while the r-97 is pretty god like, now i'm on ps4 so obviously my play style is definitly different then yours, i just felt like the flatline, for me, was a lot easier to use then the R201 or the G2. nice video!

[@FrothyOmen]

+Matthew Bellows thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you are having success with the flatline. The general consensus that I'm getting is that controller players enjoy that weapon far more than PC players. If it works for you, use it 👍

[@idarkstarx6939]

*says S tier are the best* *whines about all but one* Quality

[@TurboJLo]

Finally someone else mentions ION as OP. Been saying this for a while now. Also agree so much on smart pistol and devotion comments. Feel like the only thing you missed on phase shift is the poor tick rate/netcode allowing so many deaths AFTER I've shifted and my screen is black & white in the upside down. I feel like for that reason it's A not S. And I am playing on on a 30-50 ping in match.

[@Wismic]

Your opinion is wrong.

[@ИгорьСвиридов-й2л]

We all have different opinions.Frothy's opinion 85% true

[@dipensor]

your opinion is 100% true

[@corndog_69]

Flatline on console is easily the best weapon overall right now.

[@tommasosimonini4469]

I would like to disagree with a few things here (console player here, gen 6.49 if that matters to you) -smart pistol : it might be super powerful, but is kinda easy to counter, the game tells you when someone has it, so just run behind cover, disengage the lock-on, wait for the ennemy to follow you (they usually will) and finish them off the way you want it. at point blank range SP is garbage, there's no point in locking on when you could just melee or mozambique the fuck out of him. - the flatline : IMO it deserves to be on A-tier, its damage is ridicoulous, and yes the recoil might be really bad, but... the alternator is in the same spot ? so just tap fire the bloody flatline and you'll get the same (if not better) results, the flatline is just a longer ranged alternator (both are godly though) - the r-97 : it is extremely good, but the reason no one use it is because they are afraid that this weapon requires way too much skills to manage the recoil, and erratic spray patterns (on console atleast) - map hack : it is just as broken as pulse blade, none of the 2 should be in the game or at the very least have the huge impact they actually do... oh and here is some ways we could bring balance to the game (my opinion, but based on what everyone complains, me included tbh) Pulse blade : either remove it, or make it the slowest charging Tactical, and nerf the ability as whole, have just red dots show on the mini map (same for map hack) so that way, radar jammer would actually be able to counter both super effectively phase shift : maybe make it have only one charge but that is 1.5X the duration of a normal charge or something like that, kinda hard to nerf... A-Wall : make the wall destructible, and like 1 archer rocket would be enough, that wouldn't be too hard to counter grapple : although i'm pretty sure i've had kills of people flying in mid air while grappling, the glitch needs to be fixed and maybe reduce the overall speed ? (without making it complete garbage) Stim : what if it inly boosted your speed, but didn't heal you ? it would still be an incredible tool for rushing/flanking but it would lose it's defensive capabilities holo pilot : what if you could place a clone somewhere, and it would start shooting ? (warning shots, that do no damage, but appear on the mini map nonetheless ----> useful decoy) cloak : probably the only balanced ability in game lol phase rewind : chaange it completely, what if instead it just teleported you out of bad situation on a random spot on the map ? might create a lot of chaos but could be very interesting holo pilot nova : change it as well, what if instead it summoned 3 spectre that follow you and fight for you ?

[@saamkapadia]

Frothy the reason i really like you is that your not one of those ppl who just think and say stuff like oh i play TF2 on this and that gun is better than on that no you ask ppl on console and ask how they feel about it! i play TF2 on Xbox and even though i sometimes dont agree with stuff you say about the guns and stuff you still have really helped me to become a much better player. now a days i often come 1st on my team and often 1st or 2nd in the match! often with 15 to 20 kills and 2 to 4 titan kills and 4 to 6 deaths on attrition. you are awesome bro keep up the excellent vids!

[@saamkapadia]

btw CAR, ALTERNATOR and R201 is Life!

[@FrothyOmen]

Woohoo! I'm happy to hear I've been such a positive influence on your play. Much appreciated.

[@emilelawrence1]

yeah boi! I clicked on this shit so fucking fast!

[@aurumxargentum]

The audio describing the mastiff is the same for the last tier list! I feel smart!!

[@Jolsiuuw]

why kraber so low i got 52-0 match with it 2 moths ago

[@iamhappyso]

He is speaking of his personal experiences with these weapons

[@Jolsiuuw]

iamhappyso PSN o know but still i just don't get it

[@Urtlesquirt]

It is all about consistency. It is a great pubstomp gun, but at high levels of play, you are just better off picking up a R97 or CAR as they are way less punishing for missing a shot or two.

[@Jolsiuuw]

Urtlesquirt yeah but thatis weakness of gun i could as well say every smg suck becuse with sniper hitting 1 time is more important than with smgs

[@HoloShaii]

No it means smg's are just more consistent and thus better, missing a shot with the kraber in a high level firefight means death, while missing a shot with the R-97 is barely a big deal.

[@Shlippi]

The EPG is my favorite weapon in the game so far. It is a one shot if you can lead your shots, a two shot, if you hit near their feet, and it makes a pretty decent anti-titan weapon. It's also really fun to use :)

[@teakay115]

I havent Even Played tf2 Since live fire

[@reNINTENDO]

I haven't played TF2 in years. I imagine it has a lot more hats by now.

[@merlinv.3738]

reNINTENDO lol ur a fucking legend

[@bernardo4157]

Tim Köhler colony reborn is coming soon

[@pedroferrer9436]

I think the smart pistol is a strong gun which is actually a nice addition. It gives new players the ability to fire while wallrunning and allows them to enjoy titanfall's fast movement mechanic. That said, it brings shame upon an experienced user and is very easily countered by any veteran player, thus not a particularly op boost.

[@DaCreepNextDoor]

I haven't played tf2 in a while due to various reasons. But I find it comical that people are just recently finding out how good the grappling hook is. I used it in the tech test because I thought it looked cool and I fell in love immediately with the physics involved in it

[@miniguyw]

"The smart pistol is a meme. It allows you to meme on kids while you yourself become a living meme." -Frothyomen 2017

[@miniguyw]

also he listed hard cover twice

[@user-sl8jr9yl9p]

a day after this video comes out the colony reborn dlc is announced with new balance changes

[@julianreviews8102]

Hell yea I've been waiting for this!

[@EruWan_Ernest]

I'm new player in TitanFall2 and I'm in love with TONE. Omg can't even express how much I'm into this mech. Range, weapon, abilities. Shieeet.

[@FrothyOmen]

+Ernest Domagała I love tone too!

[@TheAtHamptonDotCom]

frothy u trash

[@RockyLXXXVIII]

I think battery backup is s tier, if you prefer titan gameplay over pilot gameplay I highly recommend battery backup. You can either use it to get 20% core build time and an over sheild on your titan, also gives you back half a health bar if you got hit upon entering, combined with overcore your first core starts at 50% build time; or you can give another player said benefits while giving yourself 30% build time to your own titan, either way it's helping your titan by either getting it faster or making it a bit beefier while giving you get your core faster

[@MrMelkor98]

What do you think about going back to concepts of Titanfall 1 in some aspects? About Sonar-Blade: It could be like in Titanfall 1s Sonar-Pulse, Highlighting enemies periodically, leaving their obnoxious orange images behind. It also works only for you, not your entire team. It would still give you Wallhacks but at a cost. About Amped Weapons: They could add neat effects to your weapons, like they did in Titanfall 1, instead of just increasing their damage. I remembered I had a lot of fun with the explosive Kraber or the Sonar-Longbow.

[@MrMelkor98]

Also the existence of Smaprtpistol, the broken Melee and the fucking dot disappearing on the CAR7R-97/R-201 is annoying as hell.

[@The-Rowller]

The Thunderbolts ability to zap any enemies around it makes it a great weapon to get enemies out of cover if you aim over the cover itself.

[@CreepYoutube]

@FrothyOmen Love that Old Tier List link, works wonders

[@Lion-jm2oj]

Here's how I would fix the tactials Stim (my baby): Bring down the Regen and speed or get rid of one or the other and time the other down A Wall: Make the wall destructable by normal fire, increase the cooldown, and decrease the uptime of it Pulse blade: turn it into a smaller radius thorwable map hack Cloak: Bring it back to how it was at release but bring down the uptime Grapple: decrease the speed you can gain form it (to around current stim levels if even that) and fix the invulnerability Phase Shift: bring down the time in the other dimension and restrict healing Holo Pilot: Make them less dumb

[@martinhubinette2254]

R 97 is just left alone because it does have a wider hipfire indicator, car and R-201 has less wide ones, not a lot of people put a dot in the center of their screen, it also has a more violent recoil due to Rof. So people think it has a higher skill floor. And it is not suited for the slower game on console meaning it does not get complaints from them. Ease of use and feel is a big thing for people complaining.

[@SkeletonMan226]

frothy, you handsome devil. im loving the recognition and suggestions for console. btw Scorch is best grill don't hate

[@skritrit28]

Frothy, I think you're opinions are very good on 99% of the guns but ONE the EPG it's very, very easy to dominate with if you have good reflexes and are competent with it's tracking time. First - Close quarters - The EPG is a god in small corridors and rooms in houses I've had many a double or triple kill by jumping around like mad and firing constantly whilst in a one v one even if they shoot first and kill you if you get a direct hit (very easy due to the guns large projectiles) they will also die, negating any real effect. Second - Mid range - mid range is a balance between travel time and positioning if you can get above or adjacent to your enemy it's simply a matter of predicting shots whilst in front of or behind it's a lot harder to hit but with practice is manageable. Thirdly - Long Range - long range is difficult against someone perhaps wall running between multiple walls so I suggest in PvP taking a pistol like the wingman elite for these situations but with time you won't need it. It does however shine against someone maybe sniping on a rooftop or a faraway turret or titan as these are slow moving you can shoot a few shots and dash/wallride/grapple/sprint off knowing you're sure to get a kill or some good damage on a titan as yes it does almost as much damage as anti-titan weapons and doesn't require you to hit the critical spot. In summary the EPG should, in my opinion, be in B tier and A if someone is really good with it, it is insane in close range, good at mid and passable but decent with practice at long range. There is nothing sweeter than getting a one shot kill whilst flying through the air above someone and I highly recommend this underrated gun to anyone who wants to have fun and still be top of the leaderboard. Edit: It also combos really well with gravity star.

[@Beliefacy]

Thanks bro I learned two things about the boosts from your input! Didn't notice battery backup offering that "shield" and amped weps reloading for you O_O

[@dipensor]

okay because frothy dont upload as much as benchy/gamsager/iniquity and other really good TF2 players, I forgot how much of a beast he is

[@roxitios]

I feel happy that I don't notice the center dot going away on the R-97. Especially on console.

[@ezraklinghoffer8957]

B-b-but Frothy, I care about the RE-45. Thanks for acknowledging the glory of grapple, though.

[@jacobraposo730]

Ezra Klinghoffer REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-45

[@Katurodrake]

This is personal opinion. The Smart Pistol is in a weird spot to me. Because it does something completely different from every other weapon in the game, and thus earns it's controversy. I get it Frothy Omen, you played Titanfall 1, and in that game Smart Pistol users were likely the bane of online play. Especially because it could be used via Amp Card, and Enhanced Lock on cutting down that TTK by a good amount. It has it's bad omens because the player can silently place locks without single warning to the victim. Since then it's been set to a Boost with a very limited ammo pool and gives players warning when they are being targeted. Which I would all a good series of nerfs. In some people's eyes this thing should just die and never be seen again despite this, and I would be in the pool of it should be nerfed if it weren't a temporary boost of the default pistol. The default pistol does provide advantages, but it can be less offensive in advantages or TTK compared to others because it may as well be an advantage made worth while. Issues: Over the internet, the Smart Pistol is effected by that users latency to the server. Bad ping, means the indicator that you see pops up later, and then it feels like they prettymuch instakill you without you having a chance to react at all. And let's be real, no amount of net code will fix that, that is inherent lag to the server, and bad lag will never be fixed. Fix proposal: Since it's never going away, you can tell the devs like the inclusion of this design, so IF it were to be made a primary weapon, I'd offer it on the condition of one nerf. Make the Smart Pistol's lock on time the Suppressed version's lock on time from the first Titanfall. Because then it gives that important factor of being able to react to it. Give more of a trade to it's effectiveness of being able to out maneuver your opponent's shots while focusing those locks. It doesn't have to be that long, but if anything, the lock on time just needs to be a tad longer is what I'm saying.

[@TomRenegade]

step 1: use cold war step 2: use amped weapons step 3: play bounty hunt step 4: ??? step 5: profit!

[@rvbagentky6532]

Tom Renegade step 4, play ronin or scorch

[@cornboy1893]

The thing about phase shift is sometimes you can't find the people you were escaping from

[@steveheist6426]

I'm on console, so it may not be entirely viable, but I find a decent counterplay to A-Wall is to throw a frag over the wall and then kill them when they leave their bubble to avoid the 'nade.

[@SROWilkerson]

Keep up the work Frothy

[@FrothyOmen]

+SonicRBLX thanks, doing as much as I can!

[@SROWilkerson]

Well your doing a damn well good job at it :)

[@HaplessGoblinProductions]

I found the best way to counter phase shift is to use phase shift. If you and and enemy pilot shift closely around the same time you can melee an enemy pilot if your fast enough. It's rare but affective

[@hplus2166]

L-STAR runner here: I am more often than not getting top 3 in PvP It's hard to use at anything other than close-range but it's very much usable if you know how to read where your enemy is going It takes quite a few blasts to get a kill but it's mean rate of fire and just the satisfaction of literally blowing up your target with plasma is enough to balance it out Never ADS with it Move around a lot and stay on your enemy's flanks with it and you'll be wiping (or rather staining) the floor with everybody

[@aw7245]

How to fix smart pistol: 1) Remove from boost and make it a secondary 2) Make it only lock on to grunts and other ai, manual aim required for pilots. Honestly it's a really fun ai farming tool.

[@0RecklessAbandon0]

The Double-Take is 100% my jam, currently mine is G3 or G4 and is easily my highest level gun.

[@Chico_Suav3]

you are absolutely insane imo on the SMR, my experience with It on console was that it's a better lstar. 2 hit kills are fun as heck.

[@PastaSauce7]

How do you make the game look like that? Gives me some tf1 type vibes.

[@sg9641]

It's about the player too frothy. I made a comment couple weeks ago about how titans are counterable at it depends on the player. I get that you're looking at the numbers here. And this is all very subjective. But it's very hugely based on the player skill. Like I am trash with Ronin. But scorch. I am really good with it's insane damage out put. Not trying to argue. Just stating that there's different perspectives, players, skill levels and situations that move the things up and down the tiers. I get you're looking at the numbers and the situations that occur the most. And thats ok. Anyways. keep up the good work man! really loving your content. Also Rip. Colony trailer just came out. probably some weapons patching with the update. :c

[@rollsafe3112]

Very informative video Frothy, I give you that. One question, do you think there should be a lot more executions? As tideous as it sounds, nothing will scare your enemy more than some badass execution when they least expect it

[@FrothyOmen]

+Roll Safe well they are adding 2 more in the next DLC, so it sounds like you're gonna be all set on that front very soon

[@rollsafe3112]

FrothyOmen I'm excited but damn you replied fast. You a keeper hahah

[@FrothyOmen]

+Roll Safe 💪

[@Tweety-el1st]

DAMN IT, I said I wasn't going to watch because I have homework, 35 minutes later here I am, lol great review though!

[@jaydenblackburn721]

Honestly, SMR in atleast my opinion is S tier. It shreds titan and reapers, 2 hits pilots at a high fire rate, easy to move around with considering it's basically hipfire most of the time, does very well vs stalkers, as well as 1 hitting grunts and spectres when amped. Dont even get me started on when its amped. The only downside is that it fires a slow(ish?) projectile that honestly isnt hard to get used to and has somewhat poor splash. Its my most used weapon, because its a king of all trades weapon.

[@ioanjordan5122]

Tip for my console brothers and sisters; map the right trigger to right bumper. Makes everything so much easier

[@mwroberson9084]

I love that the guns don't change, so the script doesn't change

[@saggy3200]

Wingman Elite combo-ed with lightning grenades is god tier. Slows them so you don't need to lead your target with the bullet time, does damage to enable a one tap, and they can hardly counter you with slow reticle movement. I promise I've wiped teams on Livefire with this.

[@eliblaster9006]

Sage x noice

[@hollowedbethyname5511]

I feel like you should bump up the EPG to the same tier as softball. the EPG has a higher TTK on pilots, WAY bigger AoE, is more reliable at killing pilots (if you miss a direct hit against a moving pilot with the softball, they'll leave its AoE before it explodes. If you miss a direct hit against a moving pilot with EPG, it still deals decent damage), is better at mopping up grunts, deals MASSIVE damage to reapers on headshots, and deals anti-titan weapon DPS against titans. The only situation where the softball is better than the EPG is against stalkers, and even then, it's still LEAGUES above most other weapons at mopping up stalkers. I consistently get top 2 (scoreboard comparing both teams) with the EPG on attrition, and I haven't even used it that long.

[@ethanvuong4331]

Just an analysis of the Tacticals part of the video. I think one of the biggest problems is the existence of Tactikill.

[@coldstarfilms539]

Personally I still prefer the Volt (as a console player). Alternator and CAR are still better, but I do love Volt and hate R-97. I don't know, just don't perform as well with them...and not gonna lie, I love the mastiff. I get lots of kills with it, way more than EVA-8....actually, I hate the EVA-8... Interesting list, I appreciate the fact that you rip things that are too good. thanks Frosty!

[@IRaider3207]

I play mainly on PC and I disagree with Flatline being B tier. In ADS, If you tap fire it at medium to long distances you can easily secure a 2 hit kill. Spraying it definitely won't help you but if you can tap fire the same way you do with the Alternator than you will see improved results. It also has an underrated hip fire as well. Just my opinion of course. The rest for the most part I agree with.

[@brockhiebert3338]

Smart pistol isn't as bad as it is in the first game, at least you have a split second to turn and face the person with the smart pistol and unload on them. Phase Shift is really good at countering the smart pistol.

[@Anonymous27x]

With Steam sale and TF 2 on Steam now, we need an updated tier list like this please and thank you :)

[@dylanbrown8989]

i think that the epg is actually really good, i almost always hit top 3 in several game modes running the epg with grapple, speedloader, and gunrunner.