The Last of Us Factions | UNMARKABLE - The Case For & Against Covert Training 3

[@theplaybros3.013]

OH SHIT I FOUND SOMEONE ACTUALLY STILL MAKING LAST OF US REMASTERED MULTIPLAYER THANK YOU SO MUCH PLEASE MAN KEEP PLAYING AND MAKING VIDEOS

[@TLOUStrategist]

You’re very welcome! Checkout today’s video and this month’s challenge if you haven’t already! 😉👍

[@theplaybros3.013]

@@TLOUStrategist oh beet

[@rafikilebron]

A player with tactical shotgun and covert 3 is like a kick in the nuts

[@TLOUStrategist]

Beautifully stated... agreed! 😂🤣👍

[@DerVamt]

I agree with a lot of what you say, mostly that the perks are not good (counter)balanced. However my biggest problem is that you barely can play stealthy without Covert Training (2+). If I could redesign this a little I would make listen mode and marking locked behind the first perk of Sharp Ears/Hawk-eyed while increasing the skillpoint cost (Let's say sharp ears 3/4/5 instead of 1/2/3). And Covert Training reduces the time you are marked/the distance you get heared. The main benefit I would see from it is that people have to activly choose to use listen mode and don't just have it on everything, which would also make really aggressive builds more dependent on support builds and people can better play stealthy without covert training.

[@weavatronobservatory]

“Basically in conclusion I’ve come to the understanding that running a silencer and covert training 3 is basically playing on easy mode.” I’m sure as most of us would agree; we’ve known this for years. On top of that fact, covert attracts a type of player that also leans towards a silenced tac and bomb expert 3, adding even more abhorrence towards covert using players. Though I don’t use covert, I want to see them add a hardcore mode that has no listen mode, no marking, no radar and hopefully friendly fire, just to add that grounded difficulty type immersion inside the multiplayer.

[@hidden1319]

I use covert 3 to not get marked as a sniper, also I like to shiv a lot lol.

[@pablorazo7876]

Totally agree, I would love a mode without covert and shotguns

[@KornySerialKiller]

I'd have no problem not running covert 3 it but shit with bad teammates who just run off and do their own thing. Getting ambushed by like 2-3 guys. What can you do? So yeah I run covert 3 and sharp ears,I ain't gonna face you head on. But lemme get that back side and you're screwed.

[@alyfarid5202]

They can’t have friendly fire, cause we all know there are gonna be toxic players killing their own teammates from the very start cause he stole a kill from them or something

[@weavatronobservatory]

@@alyfarid5202 There’s always going to be a troll, but like rainbow 6 they would get timed. Friendly fire would cause people to be more aware of their surroundings, they would be less likely to just walk in front of you blocking your shot, because it dangerous to walk around obvious to your surroundings. I just think it would be cool as an option, a grounded difficulty version of factions.

[@CrazyWizza]

Since the beginning of time there has been constants: Time is continuous, the Universe is constantly expanding, and Covert 3 is almost always paired a with a sweat brandishing a Tac/Burst.

[@TLOUStrategist]

Lol, so dramatic Milad! 🤣 I agree that’s historically true, but the past few months I’ve seen everything paired with it, but mostly the Shorty, VR, Semi-Auto, and HR.

[@Maria.Christina]

I’ve been running strategist 2 with sharp ears a lot more recently. I prefer having a good aggressive gun battle. I think without having covert it really improves your gameplay.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I couldn’t agree more! Playing aggressively and being forced to handle multiple opponents (who know where you are) over and over again helps develop those last person standing skills. I primarily play ultra aggressively now, and while I die a lot, I also have sessions where I’m putting up 13+ downs each match where everyone has a good time with the intense gameplay. 😉👍

[@rc6906]

A couple years ago i conducted a little experiment on my own I used 3 different loadout: the first was the supporter (centered around first aid and crafter), the assault (sharpshooter) and the stealthy (covert training). I played each loadout with every primary weapons, 15 matches every weapons So, (3 loadout) x (8 weapons) x (15 matches) = 360 matches in total And than i analyzed some data and the results were astonishing Playing with cover training + silencer improved my statistics with every single weapons about 150% This was true especially with the burst rifle, the variable rifle and the frontier. Probably i still have the spreadsheet somewhere

[@virtualyme7659]

Noice 😁

[@TLOUStrategist]

This is incredible... I love the research you put into it! Back when I first started playing on the PS3 I used to keep tallied of my total parts per match by Map. After logging these for hundreds of matches, it became evident that I “scored higher” on certain maps over others... so I started choosing those maps religiously. 😂👍

[@crashbandits5487]

Covert 3 is a great way to introduce a new player to the game. TLOU was my first dive into online gaming and without covert 3 I likely wouldn't have stuck with it. That said, once I became comfortable with the game I stopped using it. It would be nice if maybe it was only available to players level 1 thru 5 and then unavailable after that. Then you'd have new players who wouldn't end up steam rolled right away but you'd also make it impossible for experienced players to abuse it.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I can see that being effective, as long as they made it difficult for people to make new alts to continue using it.

[@ballpythons6776]

I use covert 3, shorty silencer, agility 2 and sharp ears 1

[@cortisolblue2208]

You put it perfectly, anyone running cov 3 and a silenced weapon is basically trying to play factions on easy mode. This is great for new on boarders but the sad part is lvl 999s abuse this tactic alot. I think in the long run the non coverters will develop better environmental awareness, if this skill gets balanced out in the next multi-player then the tables will be flipped on the die hard coverters.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I agree completely! 😁👍

[@PCGGC]

The best case for Cov3 now is that cheaters can't mark you through the walls constantly. Every match now I catch people shoulder swapping to find people through walls, it's ridiculous. Then I either headshot burst them, or switch to bomb expert to smoke them on their corners and shiv them

[@MrShagnar]

Anytime me and my friend jump on it’s nothing but dudes on both sides shoulder swapping to see the enemy thru walls, it’s mad pathetic and sad.

[@PCGGC]

@@MrShagnar yeah it's gotten to the point I mostly play private matches only now, and we kick out anyone doing ANY exploits including crab-walking and instant shooting and shoulder swapping on corners to avert the auto-aim. Only pure shooting or strategies

[@TLOUStrategist]

I hear you, totally. Since keeping one Covert Training 3 loadout I did use it against a player who both crabwalked & wallshot. It was incredibly satisfying to get him to quit in the final minutes of the match when his defeat was certain.

[@Tkthegreat14]

Really good video Strats, I'm pretty sure I agree on every point. Something I noticed while playing battle royale games, if we just looting a lot and haven't been in a fight for a while; our reaction time and all that is effected. A good balance between the two is key, I agree. I'm of the mind of having a more balanced Covert 3, like letting you be marked. I think it needs to exist, just not in it's current form. 👍

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Kaiyou! Yup, CT3 can be removed abda lesser form of CT2 would be fine and balance things quite a bit.

[@bchubble]

I understand that it's a huge controversy, but personally I feel that it adds to the excitement and stealth play of the game. Some people want to complain about Covert a lot and never run it, but I often see them play one of two ways: either playing super aggressive and often spawn trapping, or getting to good ambush spots intermittently and waiting there without moving until spotting their opponent. Even though I understand that it's frustrating when opponents play super lethargically, you can't just expect the opposing team to always play into your hand.

[@TLOUStrategist]

Great comment! I agree with you, and there are definitely players who don’t run Covert who “camp” excessively and refuse to move out of cover. My primary gripe is with CT3 and how it negates marking, I’m fine with Covert 1 & 2, even if they’re very strong.

[@llmexicanlm7885]

I think covert 3 and silenced weapons are very strong. Even with the crossbow marking covert trainers it still nullifys hawk eye 3 as so i use damage marker with the crossbow to try and get minimal information on where opponents might be. Again with this, if i dont memorize where i may have placed a bomb or they reposition, it becomes the same sense of trying to figure out there location. This video has proven the constant problem with covert 3 that has been talked about since possibly the start of the muliplayer experience. I completely agree about the balance mechanic with too aggro or too passive, even then the multiplayer guide you fid a bit ago had a huge benefit to these type of class setups

[@TLOUStrategist]

I agree! Covert Training is a strong skill, but CT3 is simply ridiculous. I think the setup for Factions 2 will be far different than this one, but hopefully the developers take this points to mind.

[@MOH717able]

I feel as if the game would be better overall if covert wasn’t a perk I get it’s a hard counter to hawk eyed and damage marker but I feel like covert 2 should be worth 5 pts minimum since it completely negates listen mode a core part of the game

[@TLOUStrategist]

Amen, Kenyon! Agreed! 👏

[@ArtVandelay_1998]

I agree about having a balance with covert 3. Being covert is a huge part of both story modes so I imagine it would be in the second iteration of the multiplayer. The devs can hopefully find a way to have balance built in because people won’t have a balance on their own. Great vid man! I missed good ol fashioned factions vids. Hope you’re well ✌️👍

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Art! I think it important to note that so many of us aren’t asking for the complete banishment of the Covert perk, just the removal of CT3... which is so overreaching in its effectiveness. Hope to play with you soon, it’s been awhile!

[@badmofo1117]

Is anyone else getting “error loading config files”???? Haven’t been able to log on for weeks now, sooooooo mad

[@TLOUStrategist]

PS3 servers are shut down. On PS4, try rebuilding your database and reinstall.

[@badmofo1117]

TLOU Strategist I’m on ps5 tho, still getting the error page

[@javcassim13]

Superb video and love how you have tried to balance the argument for and against. However, personally I do not enjoy playing against players that use it - most probably because I prefer a more attacking play style!!

[@TLOUStrategist]

Absolutely, Dark! While stealth is an important part of the game, it doesn’t have to be in the form of a single perk that negates so much from others. Plus, we all know some of these players will only engage when they’ve outwaited their opponents and have an easy shot at their back. 😉👍

[@tvhead7074]

I disagree. Going full on stealth as a whole just isn’t the best play style because of how easily it can be countered. I’d rate myself a pretty good player and from my experience, learning how to watch your back and your team’s back 90% of the time prevents people from flanking. Also a player who is good with positioning themselves can counter a covert user. Lastly there’s nail bombs. I know pretty much all the flanking spots and will sometimes put a nail bomb next to one of them for a covert user to run into. Also I’m pretty sure equipping armor makes it so a covert user can be seen on listen mode. Not a 100% sure though. If that is the case though, running covert makes it so you can’t buy armor which puts you at a disadvantage when I force you to fight me from the front. A big key to countering covert users is to stay on the move often so they cannot catch up to you because they have to stay crouched for the perk to be effective. Who knows though, maybe in Part II stealth will be a viable option because of prone, squeeze throughs, and tall grass. Edit- also if my teammates have microphones it doesn’t matter if I can’t mark someone. I can just call them out.

[@WolfofThorns]

Great presentation and analysis, Strats

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Wolf! And remember kids, friends don’t let friends use Covert Training 3! 🤣👍

[@virtualyme7659]

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you for the most part. I do think some perks can detract from your vigilance and skill. And this is directed obviously at covert players who rely on being sneaky and not adept at gunplay or other vital survivals skills you need when you are not invisible. I suppose I have different take on it myself. I'm okay with anyone using covert training one two or three. I do think that it can be tweaked along with some of the other perks in a new game. As I've mentioned before in conversations I don't think anyone felt bad being sneaky playing the campaign. Correct me if I'm wrong. Especially if you're outnumbered. And in that spirit I don't really feel bad sneaking up on an opponent in factions being that they are infinitely more of a difficult opponent than any AI so far. Can it slow down gameplay and make for boring matches? Yes it can. Is it a more realistic perk to have and some of the others or some of the mechanics? I think so. Marking the enemy?! It's part of factions but it's not something that I think brings any realism. Another perk like sharpshooter two and three when you gain health back by getting head shots?! Really?! How realistic is that? It's not. It simply boils down to what kind of game you want to play to be honest. I know I've mentioned before in conversations that I think the listening mode need not outline a person who's being perfectly still behind cover. I think if you're listening for something you might get an echo in the general direction of of a sound if there was a sound to be heard. The closer you are the more distinct the direction could be. I think the current listen mode, marking, Hawkeye, and the crossbow glow give way too much advantage and detracts from natural cover and have no relationship to anything based in reality. On the contrary hiding from someone is solidly based in reality. In the Army we called it an ambush and it is doctrine. Camouflage and concealment are essential to survival not only in the human world but in the wild. Certainly one could argue that again we are not talking about reality but a game and does it add to the game or detract from the game or how would the game be different from how it is if these were not included. One might conclude that covert training could disappear entirely if it weren't for other perks or the current listen mechanic which made you visible under circumstances where you would not be visible. The silencer one could say is possibly overpowered because in reality a silencer is not like the ones in movies. It certainly quiets the weapon but you're looking at a decibal count of at least a hundred which is anything but silent. And more accurately they are not silencers they are suppressors. It's something that could be tweaked to make it more in line with reality perhaps by using distance again as a measure of how loud something is. You couldn't be just around the corner from somebody with a silencer and not hear it as opposed to someone across a great distance. As far as the tactical shotgun is concerned I think it's just fine. To be honest that particular weapon along with all the rest are nerfed compared to the real thing. You should check out the KZbin video with the "Iraq veteran" firing what that tactical shotgun is based off of which is an FN semi-automatic 12 gauge. In reality it shoots faster is more accurate and holds more rounds. But like any weapon in factions everything has a trade off as it is in the game. I mean honestly what's the difference between a 12 gauge tactical shotgun and a 12 gauge pump shotgun? Damage is certainly going to be equal if barrel length and ammunition are equal. Yet this is not the case in the game. Everyone has an opinion and complaint about something they think is unrealistic or unfair in the game. Could the game be better? Sure it could. What's the game we have? The game we have. What the developers do with the knowledge of actually being players and with their vision of in the future for a new version of the game has yet to be seen. For me it's still the best game out there as far as a third person shooter multiplayer. Nothing else quite has the same feel. I think more than anything the exploitation of glitches has radically altered the landscape of factions. Talk about robbing someone of perks... The crab walking and wall shooting I have made me want to quit far more than any perks or weapons designed in the game. If someone is looking for some perks to counter covert training my suggestions are at least Strategist 2 and Awareness 1 or 2. As far as Sun Tzu I think he would approve of covert training and anything else that leads to victory. “Attack him where he is unprepared. Appear where you are not expected.” Sun Tzu - The Art of War. I'll see you next time... amongst The Last of Us ☮️

[@HyleAstrum]

I think Covert 3 is pretty balanced, if they didnt exist then hawk eye would be overpowered and that would be the sweat loadout. Bomb expert 3 on the other hand, is most certainly overpowered. It's almost uncounterable. I think shortening the fuses on the bombs is nbd but when you become immune to your own stuns you can just cop out of any cqc scenario.

[@AlekTrev006]

Good Vid, Strat ! Yeah - Covert should hopefully be reworked for any future game (it’s too much of a Universally Taken ability - at least the Level-2 version). Hope you have been well 🙂

[@TLOUStrategist]

Hey, J! I was just thinking of you the other day. Do you still have TLOU:R installed? I’d love to run some matches with you soon if you’re up for it. 😉👍

[@Ratchetpower2]

This is why I don't like using Covert 3, and I'm not really a stealth-only type player in multiplayer. Another reason I don't like Covert 3 is the false sense of security it gives you. Players tend to mark the moment they see an enemy and that makes their character call out. That call out when I'm trying to be stealthy is like the ! over the enemy's head letting me know that I've been spotted and gives me a chance to react and change tactics. If enemies can't mark me then the only indication I have of being spotted is getting shot and by then I'm already screwed.

[@brittanypurvis9045]

I love my covert 3. Cov3 agility 2 silenced burst, is a nasty class for sneaking around. But you're so right about having to find balance in being too aggressive or too passive. And I find that when dealing with overly aggressive players, cov3 is way to go.

[@PCGGC]

Indeed! I also just like running Cov3, Sharpshooter3, un-silenced burst rifle and burst pistol. Full health all the time lol doesn't matter if they hear my shots when they're all headshots and they can't mark me then I pop back up somewhere else My normal class tho is cov2, sharpshooter3, burst rifle, revolver, first aid 1 and I usually demolish with that too

[@TLOUStrategist]

I hear ya, Brittany. I actually prefer more aggressive matches, but that’s just my preference. I do love that there is a variety of play styles in this game!

[@alexx196z5]

Tlou can you help me out, is there a tactic with burst to be pin point acurrate, some players just destroy you mid range with basic level burst

[@TLOUStrategist]

Well, it helps to lower the sensitivity to 2 or 3... and when your fire the Burst slightly press up on your aim analog stick. This naturally flattens out the recoil so the shots don't slowly climb up but fire in a straight line.

[@alexnedin]

It’s a double-edged sword indeed: new players find comfort in it and stagnate, while experienced crush the enemy while laughing maniacally 😈 It’s crazy that there is a perk that defines weather your OPPONENTS are going to use two buttons on their controllers, or not. By the way, I know how to fix Covert Training 2 in Factions 2, without removing it 😉 PS: Alternate account for Covert Training gameplay... GENIUS or totally EVIL 🙀

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Alex... I agree, although I don’t think it’s ever a good idea to have anything in the game that “will help level the playing field for new players”, because you know the scummiest of scumbags will take advantage. And yes, I had to use an alt as the last time I publicly used CT3 for a match prior to this was that run-in with Rages Rager. 😂🤷🏻‍♀️

[@MadMatt41]

Excellent vid Strats Alt 😉 Great presentation and in a nut shell I hate Covert Training. I have to agree with pretty much every point you made and the CT3 pandemic in Factions seems to actually be getting worse. A much more balanced version needs to be in the next Factions Online or I feel that it will be doomed.

[@Zhy_Ike_3915]

mad matt how r u btw i am not a type of player that uses CT3 to get the jump on the enemy i am the type of player that supports the team and attacks the enemy

[@MadMatt41]

@@Zhy_Ike_3915 Then you a rare breed Jish because most CT3 players that I come up against just camp and play very slow and passive. Thos does not make for a fun or fair game.

[@TLOUStrategist]

Lol, thanks so much Matt! 😂👍

[@ll-rq5vu]

I agree with hawk eye marking covert, and I think instead of being invisible while crouching, you should be pinged every 5 seconds or so (make up your own number, I just needed an example)

[@danielkarlsen2545]

Covert 3 is deffo op and shouldn't be in this game or the upcoming multiplayer. If covert 2 is gonna be in the next MP maybe there should be a limited time to use it. Like the same way listen mode works and stamina bar for sprinting. I personally run covert 2 (never 3) about half the matches I play. I don't use it that much during the match. Cus if you wanna get a good flank crouch-walking takes too much time anyway. But in situations where I'm up against highly skilled players or especially when I'm outnumbered. I use it to avoid a confrontation. Sneaking off to find my feet again, heal up and attack from a different angle without them knowing where I am. I love a silenced weapon, I always use it when I have a loadout point or two to spare. It really helps cus I'm not the best shooter and miss too many shots.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I agree Daniel, great points!

[@lucasalaniz76]

I believe Covert Training is OP, and very. Having it just cancels almost completely the enemies' awareness skills. In Tlou, when you crouchwalk you make literally barely any noise, Walking regularly does, but unless there's complete silence in the the atmosphere (no shots) you cannot hear them. This is why I believe they should either get rid of Covert, or make footsteps louder.

[@lucasalaniz76]

Playing with it makes you untraceable (depending on the situation) and is just an inmense advantage on the others. It doesn't mean you will be a better player with CT, but it definetely makes the difference against players of your same level

[@TLOUStrategist]

I agree, Lucas! There’s a case for a watered down version if CT2, but being unmarkable is just ridiculous.

[@solAce-zx3df]

I believe the only problem with covert 3 is the fact that it does way too much for 1 perk. I use it strictly for the Hawkeye 2 and 3 negation. Maybe if covert 3 was split into 2 separate perks like covert 3 spawns with a shiv and cannot be marked..and agility 2 being not able to be seen in listen mode or something along those lines. As far as the way I deal with covert 3 users I always have awareness on so if I get shot and I'm able to get to cover I can see their position for a moment

[@jboogie3000able]

Hey TLOU Strategist, I like the points you made in the video. I disagree but that could be because I am a novice and new to TLOU. I started playing when TLOU2 came out, so I caught the resurgence of the game with full lobby at all times of the day. I maybe incorrect but I don’t think you addressed the awareness load out points and how it allows you to see the name tags of other players I believe this is a counter to covert training 3 and silenced weapons along with the situations I always find myself in is the purchasable weapons. These allow you to almost counter everything as you showed in your video if a person with covert 3 is use to catching people off guard and coming up close the shot gun 9/10 would end that show down quickly, if they chose to stay far the assault rifle or the military sniper would definitely take the win 9/10 now of course all of these solutions I’m giving you have to be good enough to execute on which I am currently not but games which once looked impossible to compete in or players who looked unbeatable were looking like very easy targets. I personally think the game is very well made coming from other shooter games this might be the best one everything in this game can be countered in my opinion. Except the in wall glitch and the shooting through walls glitch that stuff can only be beaten by exiting the match! I love the strategy you use in games it makes it so much fun to watch your video keep them coming man!

[@Muffinman24]

I was playing water tower a couple days ago and saw you I just want to make sure it was you I was very confused in that game

[@TLOUStrategist]

I remember, Muffins! 😂👍

[@jouloupirate259]

I honestly don’t find covert that difficult to face against especially if you stick with your team, even solo players who don’t use covert can get the jump on those covert players who rely on it as a crutch of sort, it all depends on building your environmental awareness

[@TLOUStrategist]

Agreed. 😉👍

[@aurumone_exe]

I cannot agree more with having to find the perfect balance of patience & overwhelming aggression. Carefulness is rewarded in this game greatly! Oh & my favorite covert loadout to run is a fully upgraded Silenced Enforcer only, agility 2, covert 3, sharp ears 1. I usually switch to this after it’s alternative loadout, Enforcer, FAT2, Agility 2, Reviver 1. I have a lot of fun with just the Enforcer :)

[@TLOUStrategist]

The enforcer is awesome... very fun!

[@willow8186]

As much as I like using Covert with a bow or pistol only loadout, I really hope for it to not be added to the next Factions game. It’s such an interesting perk but in the hands of a competent player it just becomes way too powerful with almost every loadout. Personally I find it very annoying, but I u set stand why it’s so popular though. Well, and the last few months I’ve had no luck with random teams; seems every team I end up going against has at least 2 covert users and that’s ANNOYING! 😅 Also tends to slow the game waaaaay down, to a degree where every other match ends up being decided by who’s in the lead when the time runs out.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I agree, WR. When players use it every single match, it not only become annoying, but a chore to play the game.

[@TheRealFartmanly]

Love CT3! I can't stand being marked, especially when I'm about to shiv an enemy & their teammate calls me out & I get slaughtered. If you are against the perk I would suggest using your microphone (which MOST people do not use) & let your teammates know verbally where the CT3 players are. Overall, the game is pretty much balanced. On another note, I don't believe the shotgun is overpowered because the loadout points are high and the ammo is expensive. I don't care for bomb expert BUT understand the plausible nature of it. When I was in boot camp in the Army, everyone had to pay a visit to the 'Disco Hut' which was basically a harmless gas chamber that would cause runny nose, eyes & severe coughing fits. The drill sergeants in there had NO MASKS ON and were NOT affected by it due to being around it all the time.

[@TLOUStrategist]

I’ve always thought that BE3 users should have to have a gas mask on to indicate that they’re using the perk. 😉👍

[@brianthehawaiian208]

Brianthehawaiian here, gonna use this load out now. See you in MP stud!

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Brian!

[@jaylenisop5911]

I'm still kinda new to factions and I like running the bow what do u think the best loadout is for that?

[@TLOUStrategist]

I have a few Bow loadouts listed on my channel, Bow Before Me, Honor/Dishonor/ & Ellie the Wolf. But before those, of probably give this a watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaTdZKypiMpknbs

[@jaylenisop5911]

@@TLOUStrategist alright thanks for the help ❤️

[@ryanravs357]

I’m an avid covert training 2 main. I never used 3. But with my style(i use shorty and el diablo combo, which i feel like has always been my own thing.) these pair i never really see people use. In other words though, ive been told im trash at the game all the time, even though half the time im literally in their face and they cant hit me worth a damn when im bobbing and wheeving. Imo covert training(2, not 3) can be fair and perfectly balanced when not paired with op suppressed guns. I use covert training to get close to the enemy team and then try hard.(though at the start of the game i always skip box to see if i can get a sneaky shiv lol) though i do have 0 respect for ppl who use burst with covert 3(unless they’re new)

[@vamrack8344]

I think either covert 3 needs to go or listening mode. Both can't exist together because someone with covert 3 basically has a walkhack and can't be seen. While if no one had listening mode, everyone is forced to play much more tactical

[@isiahduran2041]

Strategist is a decent counter honestly, if you're not running covert you should be running that

[@mario7182]

Do you think you could maybe make a video about the leaked Battle Royale mode,I think if it’s really well done it could be great 👍🏽

[@TLOUStrategist]

Thanks, Mario! I’ll consider it!

[@mario7182]

@@TLOUStrategist Ok

[@no81wareagle37]

Covert is the best perk in the game but these specific matches don't really show much considering how the other team was complete bots. When 95% of the player base is complete trash at the game (which sadly is the case for this game), then you can play with anything and win

[@slowmotion8731]

I use covert 2 and sharpshooter 2 for most of my loadouts.

[@TLOUStrategist]

That’s a deadly combination, Slow! 😉👍

[@vladislav8989]

As someone who runs covert3, there are some additional considerations you neglected. Often I can find myself in rather precarious positions due to the combination of unmarkable and people using mics. You the mic, costing 0 loadout points, can leave you utterly exposed particularly when going for a shiv; and since they cannot mark you, you are unaware of the other person seeing you. As far as easy mode, sure if you use a long arm from cover I can see that; perhaps as a restriction covert 3 should preclude the use of a long arm. However, I don't think it any more than an "easy mode" than the sheer number of players running Sharpshooter 3 and Strategist 2 with a burst rifle out there. I mean I'd gladly lose unmarkable if it got rid of vampire bullets and psychic mind detection.

[@bad_iron6610]

The Coverts players are campers and newbies soo many times I only Hope in TLOU 2 we haven't that Sh*t, if you want upgrade the skills plays ever with Sharpshooter, it's not for you TLOUStrategist is in general

[@TLOUStrategist]

Yeah man, I’m all for people learning to play aggressively without silencers or Covert. It really makes you a far better player overall.

[@mitchellmayne5002]

personally I prefer running covert 2 with strategist 1. I’d rather know when my enemy has me in their sights than be unable to be marked at all

[@danielkarlsen2545]

Same! Strategist 1 is an underrated perk already

[@TLOUStrategist]

Strategist 1 is very underrated... great info!

[@Avatarbutters]

I use covert 2 sometimes but if I get marked I'm damn near ready to get swarmed and go all out. With covert 2 I just put myself in the mindset of "just don't get caught first hand and think carefully of what to do" if I plan on being stealthy anyway. However covert 3 makes me feel cheap and dirty and will only switch to use it if I get to be last man standing :p

[@TLOUStrategist]

This are my thoughts exactly, Andy! Only two skills give me that ultra cheap feeling... CT3, and Bomb Expert 3. Both are clearly abused in the game as well... which speaks volumes.

[@melissaarias8452]

the way to beat covert is dont move wait!!! and plant bombs and make sure to check ur traps like a true hunter to make sure an enemy didnt flank cant tell you how many times waiting and planting bombs saved me from coward coverts

[@ballpythons6776]

Thats called camping amd planting bombs by you will only get you killed

[@TLOUStrategist]

A well-placed bomb can really ruin a cover users day. GGs, Melissa! 😉👍

[@ninaud]

I smiled when I saw the Variable paired with covert. I always use the bow in MP but one day I switched for few matches to this loadout : - Shorty+Variable (no silenced) - Covert Training 3 - Lone Wolf 2 - First Aid Training 1 Or you can use a silencer instead of FAT1. I did my best score with that. For me, the Shorty+Variable and Covert is the most OP combinaison with a lot of points AND with no effort.

[@TLOUStrategist]

The VR is very strong, but I actually think this class with the Silenced Burst is stronger.

[@ninaud]

@@TLOUStrategist Fast fire rate weapon with silencer is unreactable. There are also players who use fast silenced weapon with Cover training 3 and strategist 2. Meaning, they want to counter Covert while there are in convert themselves. Easy mode.

[@totemwolf]

Disable cover training all toguether. It makes the game extremely boring.

[@SOLIDJEFFROW]

You noticed this now after 8 years? Lmfao

[@TLOUStrategist]

Not at all, I’ve known it since the PS3 days. Apparently I’m just the first person to actually take the time to put forth a video explaining the pros & cons of it in a decent manner. Also, those who’ve followed me for a long while know I choose very carefully which play-styles to promote, and the CT3 + Silenced primary is pretty much on the bottom of the list, and for good reason. 😉