TM Krishna on mistakes liberals make:"I go to temples. Progressives think you should be apologetic"

Celebrated Carnatic musician TM Krishna has written a new book on caste discrimination against the mostly Dalit makers of the Mridangam. His boo, 'Sebastian and Sons' explores the distance between the player and the maker of his instrument and lifts the veil of silence over many unknown facts including that the mridangam is made from 3 animal hides, including cow skin. Krishna has been a vocal activist against the CAA. He is our guest on #BehasWithBarkha

[@MadhuriSharma612]

Wonderful interview, but if I may add, the motion graphics in the background in your videos are HIGHLY distracting. Please do change the format, because I want to listen to TMK talk but I'm distracted by the frustrating speed of the yellow box and when the big box reaches smaller yellow box. I'm assuming that these sort of motion graphics with bold colours are used in 9oclock news television because they want the short span audience to stay and made to feel like they're getting a lot of flashing information. Your audience of YT is choosing to watch the whole interview also for the content... However long it is, please do justice to the graphics!

[@forestswaras]

Same here!

[@MR-xl5ni]

This interview is not gospel. What needs to be addressed is that the mridangam making process could have changed over a period of time. May be earlier dead cows were used but later on the demand for perfection warrants cow killing just for this purpose ?

[@kumaraswamy5209]

This interview is as if they were searching for each other after being lost in a commotion to express their feelings, thoughts.

[@eshwarswaminathan3031]

Kalakshetra dance school Bharathanatyam dance all castes people open to learn. Already many passed out.

[@SeshadriVyas]

I've heard his talks and liked the other ones. But I disliked this one because the anchor keeps dragging him to her POV. While he is trying to make a nuanced point she goes back to her own views. Towards the end I was happy the conversation ended. Hear TMK's podcast with Amit Verma for a far better discussion on this topic.

[@kamalkumarjranjan1954]

Mr.Krishna you are an eye opener Hope who has eyes will see you,who has ears will listen you❤❤

[@vak19621962]

TMK is holding the highest degree in 'act of perversion'. I revere him for that. Period.

[@jude.niranjan]

name the persversion. Please attend some singing classes before criticizing musicians.

[@tharanidharan2685]

Same applies to any leather product too. Good to think about that too.

[@zaphbrox8239]

A much needed interview and very revealing. However, 2 gripes: 1) Ms. Barkha kept cutting him off before he finished talking. The best interviews and interviewers are the ones that allow the guest to freewheel, especially the articulate, ones who have clarity of thought. 2) The scrolling graphics. Very distracting.

[@SHREYASM11]

The Mrudangam is made after the cow, buffalo or Goat are dead. A ceremony is done. Only after it dies, the skin is taken to make the instrument. He is hiding this fact. I think many of carnatic musicians will agree with this.

[@giridhargopal3142]

Are you sure? From what he says, it does not appear to be so.

[@jhaditya4u]

Those animals are killed.

[@SHMP1008]

What about when the animals are killed and people eat the corpses 😢🤔

[@srijithchn]

The point of this discussion is not cow is killed or not.. the point is to show the hypocrisy

[@ni3070]

@@srijithchn what hypocrisy?

[@ni3070]

Just one question:- what's this continual need you have to bring in Religion where it's irrelevant? How many percentage of Mridangam makers are Christians?

[@manjunathbhatt6606]

Half knowledge... not clear in his thinking.... skin is used after death of animal...not killed .... he found a interviewer suitable for his subject....

[@umamaheswarinatarajan9855]

Yes right

[@umamaheswarinatarajan9855]

Barkha madam we also live in times where sadhus are killed in public gaze . Dont be selective . You are never going to be fair journalist . You choose yr topic yr person and display one sided view

[@karthiklakshmi]

I assemble mridangam and kanjira and it’s not possible to use dead skin. Sorry I wish it were true. I also play both instruments fairly well and can tell good sound from bad to a large extent.

[@varshasubramanian5695]

@@karthiklakshmi then you should make your point louder and heard

[@ksaank]

How many times did TM Krishna u met the maker of ur shirt and pants to thank them and acknowledge them for making it for you ?

[@NoMornings]

T M Krishna: The Far Left Assault on Carnatic Classical Music - Sandeep Balakrishnakzbin.info/www/bejne/pai1f6mBaLpkhdk

[@tejass9109]

Mr shankarnarayan , the question you asked shows how brahminical you are . I am sure even if you are burnt alive you won't leave your brahminism . Why so much obsession with superiority complex . T M Krishna atleast gave credit to someone deserving . Please get up from your armchair and go and thank those who stitch your clothes .

[@tejass9109]

Just imagine once that if your maid doesn't come to your house for a month . Imagine how hard your wife/mother would suffer for that one month . Imagine what if sewage cleaners won't come to your house during emergency . You need them more than they need you . Just have some gratitude that's why T M Krishna is doing

[@ksaank]

@@tejass9109 I am not undermining anything here. What ever u explained doesn't the same be true if people choose not to go to work tomorrow. You have an emergency at work and people choose to go on leave what will happen wouldn't the businesses collapse. You are sick and you go to hospital and doctor choose to go on leave... Every individual is important in the society and everyone has a role to play.. Don't get into appeasement..you don't have to undermine one to praise the other..

[@anjali234123]

@@tejass9109😂😂. You are living in different generation 😂😂😂.

[@33rramesh]

Greater interview.. very enlightening

[@subramanyamysore]

You have opened your eyes, that means you had not. So, why should your view be sacrosanct? Why should you and what gave you the right to admonish an entire sect or tradition? I challenge you to stop using the traditional Carnatic instruments, even those made by tree.

[@sanmis15]

Muslim love for Barkha erupted again.

[@lathasasi8722]

Great 👍

[@malinianbuchelvan4610]

Preach sir!

[@sujathasuresh77]

Mr. TMK- Yes, talking the cultural or religious language is important for liberals to communicate, love the word you said respect, small things to ponder - like your realization around how you address one of your helpers at home or not knowing how and where the mridangam is made ... How do you rationalize the jump from being a "liberal" to a "progressive" ... does it not mean the "other" side is regressive ... are you nuanced in that judgement ? Have you gone deeper into that ? You mention about the monolithic thought and dichotomy of Good and Bad ... Does that not apply to liberals and not-so-liberals ? Everything is a shade of grey isn't it ? Including Killing a cow for eating to killing a cow to make Mridangam ? The liberal mind will immediately jump to "how can that be" - no killing is evil !!! Yes it is and that's how the "culture" and "public discourse" has to be.. religiously or not .. so that there is "order" (through fear) ... Is that reality ?

[@swaminathansubrahmanyam6898]

Will musician stop having mridangam as accompanist

[@KironKrishnan]

Actually, synthetic mridangam is pretty popular, esp. among the new generation, so this video and his book are already getting dated.

[@bharathans1837]

Dear sir...i like you you are classical singer.Karnataka...see Mrudangam is Nandeeswara vadya.ancient traditional instrument. Please ser lord shiva what is wearing...?.and instruments...see Acharyas sitting on what sir?.your opinions is confusing.madem bhurka not know about instrument

[@ni3070]

Exactly

[@sethuramhr1783]

It is surprising that Bharkha is unaware of that Mrudanga is made from cow/ befello skin😢😢

[@manjuakrishnan705]

Such an eye opener 🔥

[@sivamdatum]

What about relation between chef who cooks vs. farmer who cultivates?!!! This is not right approach!

[@ni3070]

Why not? Both are important

[@sivamdatum]

@@ni3070 Then there must be a debate on it as well. Gold rush in USA had parallel stories: the gold explorers vs. tool makers. It’s applicable to all sectors, the maker and the checker. Do you need a book for this ?!

[@ni3070]

@@sivamdatum yes I would like a neutral recommendation book

[@osnmurty6317]

Somany artists who are not from upper castes got honours in our country. Mridangam manufacturing may not be linked to cow slaughtering etc.. These are unnecessary for Musicians. He may help poor by singing for charity purposes like MSSubbulaxmi. He wants to highlight himself

[@user-uv8wd8hb8r]

OMG what a self realisation, this guy had. Complexity of what I uttered… seriously

[@user-uv8wd8hb8r]

He should have rejected the award if he truly believes he thinks differently

[@subramanianrs318]

This is like deliberately losing the wood for the trees - a specious, hair splitting reasoning!

[@venkatayogakedarasarvan4869]

What he is trying to say? I think from his views or explanation its ok to kill ANIMALS and don't think about animal rights or emotions if it hurts some people's

[@pradeepbharadwaj2819]

Excellent! Infact why not take this one step ahead and encourage your daughters to marry a Dalit Christian? I think that would show that all of this is not just a Liberal fantasy but actually walking the talk. I am not saying this Sarcastically, just pointing out that ideas are fine but living upto it is what truly matters. Visiting a Dalit colony, touching things there, coming back and cleansing yourself in a hot shower and then sitting down in your clean fine study room and writing a book on your experience will not help. Question is are we ready to bring all that we experience in a Dalit environment, into our house and live with it? What say Mr. Krishna?

[@sanmatidhartikamath3771]

Wish interviewers let their guests talk. Why call someone when they can't get a word in edgeways?

[@prabhubharathan]

TM Krishna will be singing a RTP "General Dyer Mahaan, Sikh log They bewakoof" and presenting it at Jallian Walla Bhagh and at the Amritsar Golden temple. Go TMK!!

[@satyanarayanaguda4848]

Two nation haters of the last kind come together the product will be OBL KIND. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING

[@bobbuildin01]

So we uppercastes can now read the book while lying comfortably in our beds! Soak up the vocabulary, knowledge with all the possible ease. All the Uppercaste guilt will be celebrated with much hue n cry n many uppercastes who will publish about their guilt will profit from it. We the good but extremely insidious uppercastes people! Yay!

[@shamaprasad8599]

Activists and Liberals, who have noble declared intentions, fail to understand Indian or rather Sanathani view of the world. And go on with ideas to change the society; to set right what is perceived as wrong. And complain about absence of discourse. To start an honest discourse, at the minimum, understand the Sanathani view. For a starter, review this clip where Ajith Doval is bringing out a sanathani view: “Made mountain out of it…” NSA Ajit Doval busts myths around victories of ‘Alexander The Great’. kzbin.info/www/bejne/emXLZp6vd9OZoM0 After this, I cannot honestly attend to your Concert on 28th April in my area.

[@krishnaniyer19901]

what a load of nonsense

[@sridhargosakan]

A friendly chat between 2 very very like minded people 😂😂😂😂

[@mmuru01]

He is a great human being .

[@pradipthomas8779]

Absolutely. An eye opener. He deals with issues that upper castes don't want to talk about or prefer to hide. The comments on this page highlight that fact. Could have been better edited as there is a lag between the audio and video.

[@valsalaraman8257]

Krishna u r great. U will b remembered some one like E V ramaswamy n so on. Salute u

[@sathyananda5688]

Periyar is no 1 fraud

[@euclidslearning1894]

Fodder for barkha

[@AR-kk5qy]

This podcast is a perfect example of how perversion can be normalised. Tomorrow we can normalise cannabilism in the exact same fashion. 😅

[@gomathyramalakshmi8156]

Got himself confused with conflicts of confused issues?

[@sreevalsanthiyyadi9411]

Which is actually good.....

[@kameshupadhyayula8131]

Is TMK an Iyengar

[@geethakrishnan9054]

Krishna...... This is Bharat land of Sanathana dharma not of yahowa or Allah though we respect both ' Sanathana is the root of a Tree rest are twigs and leaves

[@radsub007]

I watched it again ...too confusing.

[@kongoorpally]

What is the purpose of this interview, when both of you agree on everything....😂

[@manjunathbhatt6606]

The bad practice must have been developed recently

[@tarangpoddar]

:D :D :D

[@srijithchn]

You have any reference or just that your got hurt..

[@radsub007]

🤔

[@sivasrinivas3716]

Tamil brahmins who pose as intellectuals are the most confused lot.

[@shivaji735]

You can't generalise. But yes. He is confused

[@sangitasrinivasan1795]

Actually fake actuvists

[@krishnakumarsampath513]

If TMK is confusing then we have to bring some one who makes mridangam no way known to TM Krishna and verify his facts. If at all cow, goats are slaughtered for making mridangam then there is some amount of hypocrisy in worshipping cows.

[@user-qw6js2gn9o]

He is no.1 Sudapi...........

[@shankariyer8378]

Every crook has a logic about his crookery. So it is with TMK

[@hariparameswaraiyer9649]

Worst fellow against his own people

[@vjvjvj67]

First thing that struck me overall is the ego trip he was indulging himself in .. "upper caste male arrogance, I never saw it fit to respect a 60 year old man, I never cared about Mridangam". All the ills of his personality has been transferred to Brahmin caste and when he says that he started looking at things differently he makes it as if he sat under Bodhi tree and became a Buddha. Once he realises that he is a product of a community and of a larger society and that has helped shape his views ( good and bad) he will come up with a balanced view and not play to the liberal and pseudo secular gallery, and he will repsected both for his music and mature world view. On the aspect of skin used in Mridangam, it is known that different categories of the same animal is preferred by meat eating persons. Demand for cows for meat consumption is xxx times more than demand for skins for Mridangam. TMK glossed over this fact which makes one infer that skins for Mridangam is by product of meat industry. Mani Iyer's family have refuted his anecdote about cow shown to Mani Iyer for making Mridangam. Given his background and the way he has usedMani Iyer's family for furthering his interest, I will not trust TMK. On EVR it is better he stays out of this area as his agenda driven hypocrisy comes through easily. In one section he complains that Mani Iyer single handedly took Mridangam playing , out from a different community which was traditionally playing it. Compare this with his efforts to popularise Parai art. TMK complains that upper caste ignores Parai music and want upper caste to accept and learn parai music. Tomorrow if Parai music is taken over by Brahmin then he will complain. What a bundle of contradictions. Learnt nothing new but only helped reinforce TMK's bigotry, hypocrisy and agenda driven actions.

[@deepajns]

Well said.

[@SriRaj32]

Have you read the book.if you have not ..read it and argue ......regarding parai he has spoken elaborately in another interview why we should not snatch away parsi from Dalits...he compared that with what happened in case of sathir taken away from devadasis.

[@vjvjvj67]

@@SriRaj32 No Madam, do not intend to. But my comments are based on this interview, which I think more authentic and more spontaneous for me to make my assessment about him. As they say this is straight from horse's mouth.

[@bbkulkarni343]

Animal skin is I used everywhere, Lord shiva uses it, every human uses as chappal, we drink cow milk. Then what is great about mridangam, I appreciate TMK, if avoids, chappal, milk, and mridangam, and barka leaves meat eating because it involves cruelty on animals, This discussion between bark and bakra, is typical communists discussion, lebelled as great analysis.

[@SriRaj32]

@@bbkulkarni343 I think you have missed the whole point of discussion. He is not saying stop using mridangam but asking us to see the Dalits who make mridangam are treated as untouchables and we glorify cow worship but the divine instruments are being made out of cow skin The whole discussion is about the paradox of life and therefore let's stop judging people based on thwir eating habits or castes...

[@srinivasasarma6573]

I am pained to watch this for I love the way he sings with dedications and how he is wasting his time and innocently(.)playing into the hands of this type of media.if it is for publicity he has it plenty as a singer.i hope he will have the wisdom to identify the TRUTH

[@sreevalsanthiyyadi9411]

He is himself pained too. We all are. Should be.

[@4ray]

He is an intelligent thinker.

[@srimathiiyengar3741]

Pained immensely to watch these shows! , read & hear these talks!!! A par excellence

[@arvindbaval7556]

policeman doing their duties r being killed .only a terrorists will do this. but anti CAA protesters...did this...r they not terrorists ?

[@gamesong6600]

Anyone who kills a human being n when that human is not a threat is a terrorist, whether anti or pro caa, i dont make distinction where u stand, there r no good ,only bad terrorists.

[@arvindbaval7556]

@@gamesong6600 u said it like a song becoz none form ur family is in police or army who go out of the house to protect unknown people from terrorists but those policemen didn't know that it's not CAA or NRC peaceful protests. but terrorists inside waiting to kill...our Indian forces...that day the DCP who was killed his son wife and daughter r asking u this question...what's was his mistake ?

[@gamesong6600]

@@arvindbaval7556 i can be worst person in the whole world n still if i say truth, it will remain truth. Me as a worst person if says earth is round, it will not return to being flat. If a person in front of u, pose no apparent threat to u, u me or anyone has no right to kill that person. Looking at people through prism of religion when same action of hate is being performed by people of both religion isnt the right way to look at things.

[@arvindbaval7556]

@@gamesong6600 stop answering like jalebi...I would anyday stand with the policemen family who r killed by CAA and NRC protesters doing so called peaceful protests terrorists who killed our men out their to protect us ..whole of India respects them and their families...I salut them..Bharat mata ki Jay

[@gamesong6600]

@@arvindbaval7556 it seems to me when i raise my fingers to all murderers, u think somehow i m protecting the murderer of head constable, when in reality i want all murderers in jail, tested , tried while u r looking at them through prism of religion, if so, obviously some murderes will look good to u. There r people who think osama was a great person, they reach that conclusion becoz they use lens of religion to judge him. Shed your lens of religion n look at people for what they r, all the humans n victims r on one side, n all the murderers r on other side.

[@muthuvinayagamsivam3518]

TMK is an insecure attention seeker . This time he is throwing sand on his own head like an elephant and pushing himself to the cliff edge. He is basking in this newfound limelight that this award issue has created for him and the number of channel interviews . His insecurity has been fodder fed now. Go on TMK. You just started on the path of oblivion and nobody is going to even know who you are soon as Bharat is now 100% tuned to Lok Sabha election.

[@duskyme]

Brahmin as oppressor, brahmin pretending as saviour but never condemning the brahmin rather always take a refuge in hindutva, shame on you, your debate will go on.

[@gamesong6600]

I can understand ur sentiment, but upper caste too have to make their own journey to understand caste discrimination, n that journey on many points, will seem not very ideal. But every step in right direction has to be acknowledged n encouraged.

[@duskyme]

@@gamesong6600 ofcourse, it is the leisure of the Brahmins to take a step or not to take at all while oppression continues. They always take a step in a 'right direction' which never challenges their caste capital.

[@gamesong6600]

@@duskyme i agree, i do not have opposing view from u, but i do have diffrent approach from u, i do not condemn people who r trying to understand it even if their underdtanding is flawed.

[@duskyme]

@@gamesong6600 sure carry on, who can stop you.

[@gamesong6600]

@@duskyme hehe ofc. I just thought i can convey my opinion to u thats all.