TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist (Sega Genesis) - Has It Aged Better Than Turtles In Time?!

[@qhorton6743]

Both versions (SNES & Genesis) are solid. SNES - the ability to toss foot clan into the screen is awesome. The stage layout / story is better too Genesis - Mikey is 10x better to play with on Genesis than SNES, due to his extended range of attack with his nunchucks (which makes Mike more arcade-accurate on Genesis). On SNES, his range is limited.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Very well said. I did notice that Mikey was better on the genesis too. His long range is clutch at times

[@NeightrixPrime]

The sprint button alone is the reason I prefer HH. I'm still bitter Shredder's Revenge left out this feature.

[@jediknightgeo]

There's an option in Time to change the sprint to the press of a button.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

The sprint attack is epic. But like the comment above, you can change it in turtles in time. Adds a lot of fun to the gameplay

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Its under "player dash". Manual or auto

[@BigBillKelly-x2z]

@@jediknightgeo No there isn't. The option allows you to turn running on but only with a double press of the d-pad, no dedicated run button.

[@chancepaladin]

cuz shredder's revenge is dogshit cashin nostalgiabait shovelware

[@Cellmate412162]

What should have been done for the Sega Genesis is a TMNT game in which the Turtles go the the Technodrome for Stage 4 like in Turtles In Time, then get banished to Dimension X. Then the Turtles go from planet to planet in search for a way home. And it should have been called TMNT: Escape from Dimension X.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Now THAT would’ve been epic. Makes me wonder if they rushed the Genesis port

[@DrDoomFate]

"Harder than Diddy at a Justin Bieber concert" 😂

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha

[@meziembamara4004]

Dark joke.

[@jeremiahratliff4332]

That joke was great subbed!

[@LM77va]

Yes, I've always appreciated the Sega version better. The music was the best Sega could offer. The addition of the run button made the gameplay much better!!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Soundtrack is amazing! There’s actually a run button option in turtles in time called “player dash” and turning it on manual to make a dedicated button for dashing

[@LM77va]

@VicariouslyRetro Turning this option to manual makes it so that you have to double tap the d pad. There never was a dedicated run button for Turtles in Time. It drives me nuts when I watch online gameplay of Hyperstone Heist because nobody ever effectively used the run button in this game. If you take the time to learn all the attacks, the run button is like playing the game on steroids. ( It's always been my assumption that the SNES version didn't use a run button because it might have made the game a bit too easy.)

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@LM77va yes true. Sorry I worded it wrong. I love the dash feature in this game. I will admit I don’t use it as much as I should lol

[@jaymum23]

The music was the most arcade-accurate of any 16-bit port, even moreso than SF2 SCE. Konami did an incredible job of scaling down the hybrid FM/sample arcade OST without sacrificing much.

[@eddiezS5]

Yes me too I just played them both, and I chose the Sega Genesis. It feels better, the hits feels tough!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Right? 🤝

[@THEMARTIALARTSCHANNEL-bb4fx]

The colors in the sega version pops a lot more. Its much more vibrant. The controls are also better, with an actual button for running instead of having to press two times forward (which for some reason does not always work). Being able to throw foot soldiers into the screen gets old FAST. Its so pixiladed and ugly. The snes version is also way to easy. Not everyone who playes video games are 5 years old. The only thing better in the snes version is the voices. Love the levels and bosses in the sega version. So cool that they used characters from both the cartoon, comic book and live action movies. The "hyper stone" idea is also borrowed from the comics. Such a nod to the fans. Dont care what any little nintendo fanboy says, give me the heavily underrated sega version any day (forgive my spelling, I am from Sweden).

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha the hyperstone heist is def the more challenging game for sure! This message will ruffle some feathers

[@steelzepplin2012]

Great video man, you hit the nail on the head with the nostalgia in this one, brought me back, and your sega genesis collection is amazing.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, bro! I appreciate it

[@AlmightyKingClark]

I laughed so hard when mom bought wrong game and the “Shellshocked” was perfect 😂😂😂

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha

[@AJfromLA818]

Wow I forgot this game existed, what a blast from the past!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha 🤙🏻

[@MagicDad]

Subbed! I like your style!! keep up the great work!!!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, buddy!

[@schooltrashers]

For me there were several games I've always wanted but could never get as a kid. TMNT Hyperstone Heist was on the list, sure. But there was also The Death And Return Of Superman(SNES version), Robocop Vs Terminator(Genesis version), Lobo(Never released, but the roms are available for both SNES and Genesis and I got repro carts of those games) and of course SPLATTERHOUSE! Well I managed to buy the best version of Splatterhouse at the time, which was the Windows PC version. Sadly this was a Japanese only port and I can only buy it via eBay. It was unlockable for the Xbox 360 and PS3 version of Splatterhouse. It's playable on Namco Museum Arcade Pac for the Switch. I have all four versions because that's how much I love Splatterhouse. Would have gotten the PC Engine version, but holy crap that's too pricey. It took my adult years to own these games I've always wanted. Which reminds me, I even managed to buy Batman Forever The Arcade Game for the PS1. That was even harder to obtain, but I bought it for cheap thanks to eBay.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Oh wow, I always wanted to play Batman Forever on the Saturn… but it’s too expensive now. Love the Splatterhouse games too. I only one the two on the genesis. Like the Hyperstone Heist, I bought it later in later. Robocop vs the Terminator on the genesis is so freaking good. I love it

[@earlgranville4235]

I can relate to your Tournament Fighters story. My aunt asked me for Christmas if I wanted a video game. I asked for Street Fighter II. What did she get? Pit Fighter. Love ya Aunt Loretta! :)

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha nice. Yea that’s pretty much the same

[@samidekash]

Glorious review, and thanks for sharing your personal story. I also find Hyperstone Heist to be a little bit more responsive than Turtles in Time. Probably because of the Blast Processing. 🙂

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, buddy! Yea it def has faster gameplay

[@nythepremier]

The snes had a slower processor that’s why the genesis version had more enemies on screen for difficulty

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Blast processing!

[@mattb9664]

The reason why we didn't like it back then may very have had to do with the visual quality of the cable composite connection, and the default level of brightness between the two. I played the SNES version and Genesis version back to back on the beat em up bundle - I think I preferred the Genesis version because it's actually a compilation between TMNT1 Arcade, TMNT II NES, and Turtles in Time.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea it’s crazy to see how good these games look now on modded consoles vs the old RF/composite connection

[@goldman77700]

Grew up with genesis and I never heard of this game lol.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Oh really? Yea not sure if they ever have tv commercials for this game

[@goldman77700]

@@VicariouslyRetro That's wild since its a TMNT game of all things.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@goldman77700 exactly lol

[@meziembamara4004]

😅 Yeah back in 90's without internet , parents would buy anything remotely close to what you asked for.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha exactly. It was tough to get the exact thing you wanted

[@blast_processing6577]

We need an OpenBOR conversion of _The_ _Hyperstone_ _Heist_ that adds proper 16:9 support and up to 4-player co-op. I feel that alone would greatly increase the game's playability.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Only way that would happen is if they did an update to the cowabunga collection version

[@blast_processing6577]

@VicariouslyRetro There's an OpenBOR conversion of _Turtles_ _In_ _Time_ so I don't see why _The_ _Hyperstone_ _Heist_ couldn't get similar treatment.

[@alexh2790]

I enjoy HH's blend of elements from both arcade games and the smoother gameplay. TnT might have a bit more charm but HH does have some advantages.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Absolutely!

[@brandonhoward69]

I loved both as a kid but Turtles In Time was the journey 💪🏾

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I can’t argue with that! The game is a beat ‘em up masterpiece

[@NYCJoeBlack]

Played both and I have to say that the Super Nintendo’s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4: Turtles In Time is by far the better of SEGA’S Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Hyperstone Heist!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I’ll have to agree and say that turtles in time is the better game. They’re both epic, though

[@Super_Croptendo]

Turtles in time was soft, hyperstone heist was hard, the snes overall was a wuss console.

[@jonathanlisowski5618]

Great story of how you got Hyper Stone Heist.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@jonathanlisowski5618 thanks! It was worth the wait lol

[@abcmaya]

Hyperstone is a great game. One of the best for the Genesis. I wonder if the Super Famicom version of Turtles in Time has a higher difficulty.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea that’s a good point. Usually those versions are harder.

[@inceptional]

It does mention this in Turtles in Time Cutting Room Floor web page: "In the Japanese version, the maximum number of lives selectable in the options menu was reduced from 7 to 3, and the maximum number of continues was reduced from 5 to 3. Continues are also not tied to the difficulty level as they are in the international versions". Although I wonder how many continues the average person uses and if that will actually make a difference ultimately. I know it might for me personally, but I'm typically just messing around when I play and die a few times simply by being sloppy.

[@hdofu]

actually the snes version is harder (Konami always has a thing for harder us games, this game makes you beat it on the hardest difficulty in the US to get the best ending), the super famicom had extra dialogue though when the boss checks out though.

[@Super_Croptendo]

@@inceptional Sure, whatever you say there, snes hero🦸

[@Super_Croptendo]

@@hdofu Turtles in time was too easy, cause it's for snowflakes ❄️

[@animemaster4861]

There's quite a few reasons why hyperstone heist in my opinion is better first of all how they did it they went with less stages but longer ones, though it pretty much feels like the level length in turtles in time is the same it just has twice as many stages which honestly by the time you get to the prehistoric stage it just becomes frustrating and it's not even fun. Honestly turtles in Time sucks compared to hyperstone heist it's just long enough to where it's a challenge but not too long to where it gets boring the music is really good and it's not insanely difficult to where you have to turn it to easy just to get to the end like on turtles in time now granted I suck at video games but still there's a point to where it's just not fun. Best way to play hyperstone heist is co-op. Hyperstone heist on normal actually feels like normal where is turtles in Time the normal difficulty feels like difficult. All of this said to be fair, the first four level of turtles in time are really fun even on normal. How I usually play it as I just play it up to about that point then stop. Level 4 is especially fun where you have that crazy boss fight against shredder

[@Demon_Curse]

Yes, there are less stages that are longer. But the trade-off is less bosses.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Interesting. I always felt the hyperstone heist on the hard mode was more challenging than turtles in time. Just my take on it. I wish I had someone to play co-op with me, but I’ll have to wait for when my kids are older lol

[@animemaster4861]

@VicariouslyRetro I always play hyperstone heist on normal, maybe that's why, I just found that in comparison to turtles in time on normal hyperstone heist seems a lot more like it's actually on normal but I'm sure on hard mode it's a lot more difficult I need to try it on hard mode

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

No mention of how much faster and fluid HSH played, or the more aggressive enemies. TnT is overrated, its for snowflake's.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

No mention of the more aggressive enemies? Lol I literally mentioned it at 4:26 And yea the game is faster, for sure. But some people prefer the slower pace of TNT. It’s all preference. But the AI is def tougher in HSH

[@JabariJones-kg6dd]

Hyperstone Heist for the Genesis is not that great. It plays just about as good as Turtles in Time. You Sega bois make me sick!!!

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

@@JabariJones-kg6ddHSH plays much faster than TnT, it matches the arcade's speed.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@JabariJones-kg6dd 😂

[@Bobby-fy3ds]

Just find your channel, been going thru your videos, really like what I’m seeing brother

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, bro! I appreciate it 🤙🏻

[@philwalkercuriousmind]

Interesting insights. I always thought of turtles in time as the ultimate arcade at home game and stand by that. I came across the megadrive version much later and couldn't help but just think of it as a lesser game. I can see your perspective though how it more did its own thing and respect you found it a greater challenge. I still enjoy both. Agreed great times we can enjoy them all. I can see how just looking at the games now in their own right there is perhaps something more gritty and yes challenging in the megadrive one maybe.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I’ll always say that turtles in time is the better overall game. Felt that way as a kid and still do. The SNES port is a masterpiece. I just wish they had a “very hard” mode to add replay value. We got that with Shredder’s revenge. But yea, I love the challenge of Hyperstone more now

[@tonyp9313]

I find the one on Genesis a lot easier. As a kid I liked the Snes Version better just cuz you can toss the guys on the screen. Then later on I noticed to get the ending on Snes you had to beat it on the hardest difficulty while the Genesis you can play on any ending just to get an ending. Also the Genesis controls a lot better & gameplay is a lot smoother too.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I def loved Turtles in Time as a kid. Def found Hyperstone to be the more difficult of the two. That’s just me though

[@wibbiddywoo]

Yes bro new subscriber! Hello from the UK. Love your video... And the Diddy joke 😂😂😂

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha thanks, bro!

[@Str8savage87]

The game could of did better like they could of had they own version of the camera throw like tossing a foot soldier and cracking the camera also the sega version needed different bosses like maybe Wingnut ,Groundchuck,general Trang,shredder final boss fight with sword and infused hyperstone power the game had so much potential to be greater

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Turtles in time was easy and for snowflakes, while hyperstone heist was challenging and for real gamer's.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Genesis didn’t have that mode 7 graphics to pull off the tossing of the foot soldiers. But I know, would’ve been awesome if it had something like that. And yes, wish the game had more bosses

[@BigBillKelly-x2z]

@@VicariouslyRetro It's a misconception that TIT used mode 7 to get the footsoldiers into the screen effect. It actually used a different background layer and used two animation frames to fake the zoom in effect. The Snes having an extra background layer came in handy to pull this effect off.

[@toysandjunk]

There's a rom hack for this game that brightens all the colors and makes it look like the SNES version.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Ohhh nice! Gotta love rom hacks

[@roguerifter9724]

Hyperstone Heist is a great game, and I prefer it to The Manhattan Project (My favorite Turtles NES game) but I definitely prefer Turtles in Time SNES. The first fight with Shredder is incredible in Turtles in Time, it has Pirate Beebop and Rocksteady, and I hate the Hyperstone Heist boss rush

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea, all fair points. Turtles in time def has way better boss fights. Wish hyperstone had bebop too

[@hdofu]

Manhattan Project at least understood how water works XD

[@IkariMetalSlugger]

One reason I jive with the Genesis version more is the music. That Genesis percussion and twang just really suits tracks like the title theme and Sewer Surfin. But it's like you said. Both games are worth playing. Was just a bygone era where different systems could have games with the same brand name but still be different experiences like with SNES and Genesis Aladdin. Also we need to talk about how good April's legs looked in the TMNT movie.

[@meziembamara4004]

Also who is that dude jumping at 13:10

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Her legs were smoking 🔥 haha Yea I love the genesis sound chip. Much more than the SNES. And yea.. at the time it made for a great console war discussion but with so many years passed, it’s nice to get two different versions of a game.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha yea some random kid

[@hdofu]

The dialogue in this game suggests that it was translated from Japanese, the Japanese writers being some people who had to come up with lines for the characters based on what they thought they would say having watched a lot of shonen anime and no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Interesting. Yea maybe

[@nomienoman9232]

Awesome video dude

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, bro!

[@chancepaladin]

hyperstone is lightyears better than time

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I def play Hyperstone more today, that’s for sure

[@eckteckteckk171]

how?

[@mikeabney2527]

I always loved my Sega Genesis over the super Nintendo and I absolutely loved the hyperstone heist

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I’m a Sega fanboy myself lol 🤘🏻

[@RickyRawM05]

You’re right it gets more competitive on the Genesis

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Agreed! 🤝

[@damin9913]

Hyperstone heist is the best for the sega genesis it's fast paced.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Love the fast faced gameplay too

[@DallasOutkast]

It was The Legend of Zelda on Nintendo for me. I asked my dad for it and well... Dad didn't come through.😢

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Ah man, and that’s such an epic game too. Bummer

[@zhengistasbolatov8480]

Better challenge = Better game if you ask me, the SEGA fan boy! Kidding. Yep, Hyperstone Heist is one of my all time favorites on SEGA!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha. Yea it’s a classic

[@Ryuujin1078]

If you really look at it Hyperstone Heist is just a retelling of TMNT 3: The Manhattan Project with levels from other games including TiT. The premise it’s nearly exactly as the nes to the Genesis

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea, Hyperstone is like a mix of all those games

[@deanjelofrizell3023]

And Don’t forget…. We also got shredder’s revenge! 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yup! Game is amazing. What I love about it is that there’s so many options to make the game more difficult and characters to play as. The replay value is massive

[@RobsMemoryLane]

Fantastic video!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks, man!

[@yeahyeahwowman8099]

Turtles in Time on the Snes, so many people I have talked to prefer it over its arcade counterpart. Its a masterpiece on the Snes, throwing enemies at the screen was the cherry on the sundae.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I love both version, of course. I’ll always prefer the arcade version. So many fond memories of playing it in the arcade

[@hdofu]

Turtles in Time on the SNES the hits just feel more solid, like it feels like you are connecting, where it weirdly feels almost as soft in the arcade as the nes version of the arcade game, the original arcade game honestly feels more solid then turtles in time arcade for some reason when connecting.

[@living_in_revelation]

Considering a bag of chips was 25 cents back then, you're way off saying 3 bucks was like 10 of today's money, more like 30!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha I was curious and just plugged in $3 in the US Inflation calculator. $3 in 1990 is $7.25 today 🤣🤣 Still pretty ridiculous lol

[@living_in_revelation]

@VicariouslyRetro that calculator is broken!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@living_in_revelation haha yea I have to agree. It’s gotta be at least $15

[@uno3863]

I played this countless times on the genesis when I was a kid 🤣🤣good memories

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha nice

[@charlessoto1792]

For me it was Sonic 3 that i never got around to as a kid. Being that i didn't play it until over a decade later as an adult, it makes me wonder if that's why i like Sonic 2 better. I got to enjoy that game as a kid. I wonder if the nostalgia is making me biased.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea good point. That’s how I feel about turtles in time. Playing turtles in time feels more natural to play that the hyperstone heist, deep down

[@markdoyle9728]

I just watched my first video on this channel and apart from being a great review I loved the analogies. Seeing it in arcade was like seeing a naked woman for first time hilarious

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha 🤙🏻

[@apap1586]

Not Turtles in Times but good enough for it to be in anyone's Genesis library. I would have loved to seen the original arcade game on the 16 bit consoles.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Same! I always wished that Konami made a 32-bit port compilation of both games for the Sega Saturn and PS1. Would’ve been epic to play those games with the Saturn controller

[@cd4playa1245]

I like the music better in HH and it feels a bit faster paced. Plus the Slash boss fight and final shredder battle in time are both ridiculous. I beat both games on hard and time is ridiculous. Plus they nerfed the power slam attack on HH but made it more predictable where you always slam three times. In turtles in time that move is so powerful it just makes sense to keep spamming it. While the levels are cooler in turtles in time, my choice is HH.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

It’s def faster paced, for sure. Well said. The levels are better but HH is has become my choice too

[@philwarren6346]

The first couple stages of HH are amazing i like the way you start out in the sewers. Only it starts to get real repetitive with the same boss battles. I much prefer the variety of TIT. 😊

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea the boss rush stage kills the flow of the game, I agree. Should’ve done another level with bebop as the boss

[@SDSOverfiend]

Sad thing is… Nintendo really put Konami in a terrible position when it came to Genesis. Somehow Konami still made it work better in some case on Genesis.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

For real. They made some bangers on the genesis

[@SDSOverfiend]

@ Yes. The unsung heroes of Genesis

[@benjaminturkalj4415]

I think whatever you grew up with will effect your opinion. The controls are slightly different to snes and have a different feel. Im a hyperstone guy

[@VicariouslyRetro]

100% man. I love both games. But it’s true, whatever you grew up with will always be your jam

[@djchelosantiago]

Hyperstone Heist had a higher fps and longer levels but not enough bosses and can't throw the enemies into the screen either

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I wish they had more bosses. Not having bebop was sacrilegious

[@MarthSR]

THH objectively has better control schemes than Turtles in Time. Mapping run to a button rather than a double tap makes the action far, FAR more fluid!

[@inceptional]

I 100% disagree. I think the double tap in the direction you want to run is a far more natural motion that corresponds much better with the actual action you're performing. Think of pushing a button to punch or actually punching to punch in VR, and which would you say is a better implemented version there. Well Turtles in Time's implementation of dash is closer to the later than the Genesis pressing a button method imo. This ain't like holding the button to run in Super Mario Bros.; it's like double tapping to dash in Virtua Fighter or Streets of Rage 2 for example. So, yeah, I think Turtles in Time does it better than Hyperstone Heist. And then everything else is better in Turtles in Time too imo, be it the graphics, music, level designs, bosses, overall gameplay, etc. So Turtles in Time is just the superior game, and most serious critics agree.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I think both games have great control shcemes. THH def plays a little fast and seems more fluid for sure, but Turtles in Time is also amazing on how they did it too. Like I said at the end of the video, I do think Turtles in time is the better game overall, I just love the tougher challege and more aggressive AI that THH offers

[@inceptional]

@@VicariouslyRetro I'm playing them both back to back as I type, switching inputs on my TV so I can play one right after the other back and forth, and I'm not noticing where HH moves faster or seems more fluid. I'm not sure what some other people are picking up here. Can you point out where you're finding it faster and more fluid for sure, like something that's specifically making the difference as you see/feel it? Because I still think double tapping on the d-pad to run and pressing the Y button to do a dash attack there, without having to take my right thumb finger away from either the action or jump button, feels more fluid and intuitive to taking my finger off A or B and moving it to C to dash, and then back to A again to do a dash attack. I also really love just rocking my thumb up/down between punch and jump on SNES (Y and B), rather than having to take it off A to press B on Genesis. Although, I think if your fingers are big enough then rocking your thumb left/right is fine there too. Similarly, I like that I can assign the special attack to a single button on SNES rather than having to press two buttons at the same time to activate it. But on that I think both basically work out the same, with one requiring a bit more deliberate timing to make sure you nail it and the other requiring moving your finger away from the other action buttons again. So either or, just with me preferring the single button so I don't ever do it by mistake while trying to press attack and jump quickly and waste a bit of energy unintentionally. And the weapons also have visual swish effects on SNES, the hit connect sound is much punchier and forceful, and each hit actually produces a little hit flash sprite too, which just makes each hit and therefore the overall combat more satisfying for me personally on SNES too. They maybe just forgot to add those things there on Genesis. Throwing enemies towards the screen on SNES also never gets old for me personally. It's just so satisfying and fun. And it's very cool that they even use it in one of the boss fights too, so it's not just merely a throwaway visual gag--no pun intended. And right now I have the game on hard on SNES and died in like about a minute while just faffing around there, so the game is definitely hard enough for me personally. I'm not exactly trying to play a flawless run, just testing some of the controls for the sake of my opinion and comments here, but I'm getting my ass handed to me. 😲 But, yeah, as standard I can see that HH is more challenging the Turtles in Time. So, if you like your gaming harder, I can see how that would play to your preferences there. If you specifically like more of a challenge, have you given yourself the challenge of getting through the SNES game on hard without taking a single hit? I think that would be potentially quite difficult and something to give you a nice personal challenge to aim for if you like your game harder. I don't think I'd ever play the game enough to get that good.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Another delusional take, by @inceptional the snes hero🦸

[@mastermindrational1907]

I asked for ninja turtles on sega genesis for Xmas and I got tournament fighters and I was super disappointed lol. Had the same reaction-“what the hell is this? Who is Sisyphus? I wanted the hyperstone heist.

[@hdofu]

Ouch.... brutal....

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Hahaha thank god I wasn’t the only one that experienced that. I used to call him syphilis lol

[@gonzalotorres5282]

My elusive ones are the Probotector franchise.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I never even heard of that. What type of games are those?

[@gonzalotorres5282]

@@VicariouslyRetro The European versions of Contra. Due to censorship, the human soldiers were replaced by Robots. Cool-looking robots.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@gonzalotorres5282 oh cool. I didn’t know that

[@DragoonMS]

7:45 Shiiiiiit...assuming that your local arcade had it set to a quarter per game, three bucks was absolutely a lot of money!! 🤣 8:31 ...ayo hol' up, you still had a *WORKING* Atari 2600 in 1992!? My Atari 5200 was done for by 1990!! (Then again, the poor ol' girl showed signs of fading well before then, and none of my tinkering could save her) 9:52 ...yeah, this is why I made sure to keep myself in the loop as much as possible so I could point out EXACTLY what I wanted to my mom. Although there were a few cases where she pulled some black magic or SOMETHING. TMNT 1, TMNT 3 (I got TMNT 2 from a buddy), Ninja Gaiden, and especially Megaman 6!? I never asked for those (I largely didn't even think to ask), and bam, she got those for me. 11:11 Huh. That's a tough call. I got Super Mario Bros. 3 when I was in middle school...as mentioned above, I got Turtles 2 from a buddy...despite some playtime of Sonic 1 with younger cousins, I never had any real interest in the Genesis until I started dating my eventual wife (and even then, I'm still more partial to Sonic 1 while she's bigger on Sonic 2 and up)...so idk, can't really say that there was anything as a kid...though there were a few things in my late teens & early 20s that eluded me, and I don't mean stuff like Japanese games.😮 (Example: the Snes port of Street Fighter Alpha 2 I ain't get until the early 2000s at what was then Funcoland - I hadn't even gotten a Snes until 1998, so I naturally missed SFA2's initial retail run in 1996-97; I later traded it in, only to get the Japanese Super Famicom version a few years after that.)

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha yea, I was given $3 and used it right up. Yup! My Atari 2600 still works to this day. Granted the joystocks are completely shot, but the console and the games are still in good condition. I just hook up old Sega Genesis controllers and it works great. I never owned a 5200, but those were notrious for being poorly made. Solid games to get! Especially Ninja Gaiden and Megaman 6. How was the SNES port? I have that game on the Saturn and its amazing

[@DragoonMS]

​@@VicariouslyRetro 5200s were poorly made?? Wow...never heard anything about that. Mine only went out over some time because bugs had got to it and pretty much ate it up from within. The console, that is. *I* abused the joysticks, usually from throwing them in rage. (I hate Centipede, I hate most of the game options in Super Breakout, I hate the higher levels of Pac-Man, and I especially hate the Normal & Hard settings of Joust cuz that stupid Pterodactyl that pops up every eighth level is wildly inconsistent and hard to take down) It was pretty good despite the cuts that had to be made to get it on there at all. NO Evil Ryu and because of programming screwups, the playable Shin Akuma was left hidden for a couple decades...so hidden that not even Nintendo knew how to get him. And speaking of programming screwups, whoooooo boy...because of poorly handled sound compression - something else revealed decades after the fact - there's like five second load times almost everywhere!! Craziest thing is that we're about to run right smack into the 30th Anniversary of SFA1 in 2025 and the 30th Anniversary of both SFA2 & X-Men vs. Street Fighter in 2026.😮😮😮😮😮 Speaking of the Saturn...I never had the vanilla SFA2 for it, only SFA2 Gold from Street Fighter Collection, that added in an alternate color palette for Sakura (givin' her a whopping 12 color options), SF2 Champion Edition style peeps (no super meter and limited movesets), and a playable Cammy (her sprites ripped straight from XvSF), and that was pretty epic. Oh, and it had an even simpler method to select Shin Akuma & Evil Ryu, which carried over to the PSone version of SFC & SFA2 Gold.

[@denismcrath3400]

I love turtles as kid had no consoles only got play them in 2022 on ps5

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Oh man, you missed out. But hey, never too late. At least you’re playing them now!

[@JIF882]

I have only beaten Turtles In Time on hard once.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I’ve beaten it several times. Always struggled more with hyperstone

[@evan2902]

It's funny...looking back I really can't think of any game I wanted that got away. Perks of being an only child with physical ailments that meant I would never get to go to places like Disney land I guess. Anything I was curious about I was able to emulate or get off the Wii Virtual console when that came along.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea very true! I never dabble in the Wii virtual console, but I heard it was pretty solid

[@1ButtonDash]

my only problem with the genesis version is that there were way too many stages without bosses. you would be fighting on levels that felt extra long and then at the end you would move onto the next area, other than that I loved hyperstone heist. Oh and yeah no mode 7 so no throwing foot soldiers at the screen

[@BigBillKelly-x2z]

It's a misconception that TIT used mode 7 to get the footsoldiers into the screen effect. It actually used a different background layer and used two animation frames to fake the zoom in effect. The Snes having an extra background layer came in handy to pull this effect off.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea wish they made the stages shorter with more bosses. Would’ve been awesome to have bebop in there

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Ahh I always thought the throwing effect was mode 7. You learn something new everyday

[@yozarian86]

The only real problem I have with this version is the reskinned bosses. Like oh.. this boss again. Oh. And I think you can’t throw enemies at the screen on Saga?

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea 100%. The boss rush stage is by far the weakest part of the game. And yea, no throwing at the screen on Sega

[@damin9913]

I have no problem with the bosses the game is still fun

[@jackmakackov7077]

Duke lacrosse was innocent though. Penn state definitely not. chocago blackhawks-penn state is a better analogy

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha for sure, but it doesn’t matter. People will always associate

[@apap1586]

My only issue with hyperstone heist is the levels of too long. And doesn't have the variety of enemies of turtles in Time .

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea if they broke it down a little and got like 2 more bosses (Bebop and whoever), it would have been much better. The boss rush stage is the weakest point in the game

[@TheDonCursino]

Sadly, Sega got too often the poor man treatment from 3rd parties resulting in subpar products with regard to the potential of the console (Sunset rider being one of the best example). As much as I love Hyperstone Heist, it's clear that it has been rushed.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea wish the levels were a little bit more polished with the colors and not having the boss rush stage

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

You mean the monopoly treatment.

[@nicholascooney]

Naw, The Hyperstone Heist has that obnoxious Boss Rush that feels like the game is just stalling. It is not like a boss rush in Mega Man where you have something new to show off in the battles.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I did mention that the boss rush stage is weak as hell. Should’ve gotten another level with Bebop as the boss

[@belikewatersf1051]

I like both but the snes version is way better.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea, like I said in the video, the SNES is the better overall game. I just like the challenge that the Genesis version offers

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

Snes version was for snowflakes ❄️

[@mikeg2491]

@@Troll_On_KZbinI actually played the SNES version for the first time in 20 years few months back and beat it first try. Wish it would have taken a page out of Streets of Rage!

[@Haywood-Jablomie]

​@@VicariouslyRetro Duke Lacrosse and Penn State ... I know what you are talking about ! 😉

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@Haywood-Jablomie😅

[@Mentally_Hilarious]

I think Hyperstone Heist has aged worse, I liked it more as a kid. The last time I played Hyperstone Heist it reached a point after the boss rush where I just wanted the game to end. The lack of diverse bosses fails to break up the long stages. To throw in a boss rush like that to try to compensate frustrates me. This game needed more developmental love, it feels like a lazy combo of the two arcade games and one movie asset. It would have been nice to see a beat em up completely inspired by the first few movies.

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

Turtles in time was soft, it's too easy, it's for wusses.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I hear ya. The boss rush stage does suck, that I do agree with

[@JAC3DG33K]

Ironically I had the opposite experience. Managed to get a used copy of Hyperstone Heist from Funcoland in 1993 when my mom got me a Genesis for Christmas. Of course K-Mart, Toys R Us and Kaybee were all out of new copies. I lucked out that year and snagged After Burner as well. Years later after moving out into my own house I went a head and bought a SNES clone along with Turtles in Time and a couple other titles from a local retro game shop. I loved Hyperstone Heist as a kid, but my cousins who owned a SNES said it was too short and wondered why you couldn’t throw enemies at the screen. However that blast processing gave Sega kids faster game play and more enemies on screen.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Oh man, Funcoland… now that brings back memories lol. Yea exactly! The hyperstone heist is def fast and more aggressive enemies

[@RM2011ish]

Hyperstone Heist is a solid TMNT game, but too much of a reskin of Turtles in Time. It takes way too much assets and isn't paced as well as the former.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I’m not the biggest fan of the longer levels. Wish the broke it up into shorter ones with more bosses

[@petevaldezbc1]

Mega Man The Wily Wars

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I finally picked it up a few years ago. Wish I got that as a kid too

[@nicholas920us]

I appreciate the challenge of Hyperstone heist... But the levels felt so long...

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea would’ve been cool if they broke some up and added more bosses

[@Troll_On_YouTube]

What a wuss.

[@pliniomsann]

The problem with HH is that the grabbing is too rare and random. In the TT you hit once and there is a quick moment that you can grab. The HH is only hitting, hitting, hitting forever… more boring in my opinion. The boss fights are also too easy. You can hit several hits in the boss with no reaction… TT has this issue too but it’s worse in HH

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I can see your argument there. I will say I hate the boss fights in HH. Turtles in Time have much better boss fights

[@pliniomsann]

@@VicariouslyRetro right. And the challenge is really critical for a game to be fun. Good point

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@pliniomsann Wouldve been awesome if Turtles in Time had a "very hard" mode lol

[@xTerrySunderlandx]

i still have not seen the video, but the answer is no... TMNT TIT is still way better... HSH is good, but its still a cut down version of tit asides from content games are nearly identical (so TIT is the same game with lots of more content) The good thing is that some stages are dif and some bosses are dif too... it would be great to have a version that mix both games. PS: watching the video... both games are incredibly easy i have NEVER been challenged from neither game :s (not a single diff noted in fact)

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Really? I kinda got my butt kicked on the hard mode towards the end of the game in HH. Not saying it’s “too hard”, just way more tougher that TIT in my opinion. Regardless, both games are dope

[@xTerrySunderlandx]

@VicariouslyRetro did not noticed Any change on dificulty at all, the enemy smash IS way too op and super easy to pulla off... But the thing that really makes the Game super easy IS the insta run buton, you can atún every single enemy with the shoulder and Smash... Or make the Stone soldier unnable to attack by timing the shoulder attack or the slide. Its a VERY easy Game in fact

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@xTerrySunderlandx fair point. It was still tough for me though. Everyone is different lol

[@xTerrySunderlandx]

@@VicariouslyRetro on that i agree :p Now what im surprised is... Took you 20ys to play the Game as you did not had the cartridge... Why havent you emulated It? :p (Im from argentina and lucky me there where plenty of rental places on my area... so i got to play both games on time, but the arcade Game was nowhere here to be seen lol, so that one i played on mame years after its release) Tournament fighters for genesis IS a terrible Game :( the snes game IS actually really good... Not sure why those 2 are solo different

[@Super_Croptendo]

​​@@VicariouslyRetroCan't you sense the anger in his comment? you triggered him old boy.

[@jermainemorton5635]

Hyper Stone heist was fun but turtles in time was just better. It played better. It was more fun it was longer and if it hadn’t been for turtles in time, this game would not exist . Good review.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Actually hyperstone heist played faster and smoother, while turtles in time was too easy and for snowflakes ❄️

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Thanks! Yea that seems to be the general consensus.

[@jermainemorton5635]

@ItsPaybackTime89 What's funny is hyperstone? Heist is a Shorter And way easier on the hardest difficulty. Then turtles in time And what's even funnier? I don't like sloppy seconds And that's what hyposton heights is. Sloppy seconds.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

@@jermainemorton5635 Well I don't like easy snowflake game's, and turtles in time was for snowflakes ❄️

[@jediknightgeo]

Basically a remixed amalgamation of the TMNT '89 arcade game & Turtles In Time wrapped around a new story. To say that I was INCREDIBLY excited when this was announced is a GARGANTUAN understatement. An all new turtles game for Sega systems!? Hell yeah! Though after playing and beating it I couldn't help but feel a TINY bit disappointed as this all new game was actually an "all new" game. Don't get me wrong, H.H is still decent, but it really does feel like a "cut & paste" rush job cobbled together just so that Sega owners could have something TMNT related. It honestly could have been much better if Konami would have done an all new original game. Also, why is Bebop nowhere to he found yet Rocksteady is in the game? It's Bebop AND Rocksteady. So strange.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Turtles in time was too easy, it was for snowflakes ❄️

[@jediknightgeo]

@ItsPaybackTime89 What a brilliant retort. Anyway, it still doesn't change what I stated, and on top of that, Hyperstone Heist wasn't exactly more difficult as I also beat it with ease.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

@@jediknightgeo Sure you did, of course, cause you say so dingus.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea I hear ya. Like I said in the video, I never got to experience this as a kid because I never got a chance to play it. And not having bebop sucks. I do wish they got rid of the Boss rush stage and made the first half of the level bebop and the second one Baxter stockman.. like a harder two boss level

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@ItsPaybackTime89 lol

[@SHINBAXTER]

4:14 🤣 =)

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha as I’m getting my ass kicked

[@aarongrabel4201]

I had a snes so I never got to play hyperstone heist.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

I’ll always say Turtles in Time is the better overall game (not by much). But like I said in the video, Hyperstone Heist is def more challenging

[@Use_fediverse-7814]

It's good. However, the colors on the Sega Genesis are too dull.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Yea turtles in time on the SNES looks better, for sure

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

That's strange, cause most reviews say HSH color's are more vibrant and the sprite's are more detailed. I'm not saying HSH is more colorful, but more vibrant.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

​​​@@VicariouslyRetroIs your eyesight going old man? HSH color's are more vibrant, and the turtle sprite's are more detailed, and they have more frames of animations, there are other reviews showing all of this.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@ItsPaybackTime89 haha there’s also other reviews that place turtles in time higher. Actually, I would say most. I mean look, let’s be honest… they’re very very similar. They’re both amazing. At the end of the day it comes down to preference. I think the hyperstone heist has smoother gameplay and flows faster, but at the same time, I feel turtles in time has better looking animations with more colors. If I had a pick, I would say turtles in time looks better at the end of the day. Each game has its pros and cons

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

@@VicariouslyRetro There are side by side comparisons of the turtle sprite's, and HSH are clearly more vibrant and detailed.

[@inceptional]

The answer is no.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Can’t argue. I love turtles in time. Like I said at the end of the video, I do think turtles in time is the better overall game. I just love the tougher challenge

[@Super_Croptendo]

The snes hero swoops in yet again🦸

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Ok snes hero🦸 we get it, you like snowflake versions of game's.

[@ItsPaybackTime89]

Og tip, don't review games with so much spoilers, even if they are old.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Eh, I feel like a game like this doesn’t matter. It’s just a beat ‘em up. An RPG? Sure, absolutely

[@francescosmith7859]

Very fun video. Yeah, I can relate to a lot of that. The cartoon, the first movie, all very classic. Somehow I didn't end up with exposure to either of the 16 bit games but the NES games were huge to me. I remember getting TMNT2 for my birthday and feeling very cool and I definitely convinced myself it looked almost as good as the arcade and was probably better overall for including the extra levels. I also got 3 a few years later and that was also outstanding and by that point I think I had embraced the first as well. I think I just had bad timing with TMNT and 16 bit. I got my Genesis Christmas 94 so that was after two pretty miserable to terrible movies and my interest was lessened though I still think I would have picked up Hyperstone Heist if I saw it on the shelves but never did. I do remember seeing Turtles in Time for sale and more advertising for that and I was definitely jealous. It's nice to be an adult and have both though I can't convince my wife to play for more than a level so I don't really get to take advantage of the two player co op that we did as kids. I know it's a bootleg but Shredder's Re Revenge uses the Streets of Rage 2 music and background and has all the turtles along with Casey, April and Splinter as playable characters all with unique move sets and is a really really good time as well. I'd recommend checking it out if you haven't already.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Glad you liked it! Yea the second and third movie kinda took the wind out of my sails when it came to loving TMNT, but I still enjoyed them a lot. The Manhattan Project is a really solid game too. And yea, my wife couldn’t care less to play haha. My kids are getting older so I’m waiting for the day that they’ll play with me. I did hear about that ROM hack. I gotta check it out, thanks!

[@snkneogeoman]

LMAO. You could talk about kitchen appliances and still be hysterical.

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Haha 🤙🏻

[@ButcherGrindslam]

Run button!

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Epic feature of the game. Turtles in Time has a two. You just have to change it in the options. “Player Dash” manual or auto

[@ButcherGrindslam]

@@VicariouslyRetro , Run Button is easier to use.

[@battlenerd8179]

Mortal kombat 2 for snes. I begged for this game. Birthday came and grandma gave me mighty morphine power rangers. 🫣

[@VicariouslyRetro]

Oh man, that’s brutal lol. But I bet you still cherish that copy though

[@battlenerd8179]

Still got it to this day​@@VicariouslyRetro

[@VicariouslyRetro]

@@battlenerd8179 yup. Not something you part with, especially since a grandparent gave it to you.