TNG Data corrects a pre-industrial teacher (Thine Own Self)

Data does not believe in the four elements of the universe.

[@andymacrae994]

data looks more human than mark zuckerburg.

[@Byrvurra]

That's because in real life Brent Spiner is an actual human being and not a soulless sociopath wearing a human skin suit.

[@markhall7646]

Mark Zuckerberg is the Antichrist.

[@SpiritualFox]

Only one of them has the presence of mind to put effort into trying to be human. The other blinks horizontally.

[@colalightyear7859]

Of course. With data, it is a human that pretends to be a robot. With mark Zuckerberg on the other hand...

[@jamesm5192]

Duh... Because the actor playing Data is human! 😉😂

[@lazyperfectionist1]

I would advise everyone not to be too critical of this teacher and her methods. Later in this very episode, Data (Jaden) presents her with superior evidence and superior methods for _obtaining_ that evidence and she is absolutely receptive, contrary to most of the townspeople. It's not her fault that she is hindered by the limitations of her time.

[@InayetHadi]

lazyperfectionist1 What season and episode is this?

[@lazyperfectionist1]

Inayet Hadi Ah. It's called _Thine Own Self_ and it's the 16th episode of season 7.

[@lazyperfectionist1]

Oh, look. There's the title of the episode, right there in the title for the video. I didn't notice that.

[@InayetHadi]

lazyperfectionist1 Thanks

[@tyrongkojy]

Very well said. She is simply working with what is available to her at the time. She has NO reason to believe otherwise. But you actually give her a reason, and, well, she IS a scientist. She follows the evidence. Give her the ability to see new evidence, and she'll follow it.

[@Alverant]

I love Data's facial expression. He's like, "I have no memory and little knowledge, yet I know this is bullshit."

[@Thranotheoneandonly]

kinda like when men say they're a woman when they clearly arent

[@shakespearejames7110]

Lol!

[@TheRealTorG]

Me as a kid in Sunday school

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

@@TheRealTorG all well-developed religions have two layers to all their teachings, literal and metaphorical. One to act as a basic belief and moral system for morons and the other to more subtly provide a structure for socialising and living among large groups of people in a productive manner. Midwits like to make a big song and dance out of "debunking" the literal fairy tale aspect of religion while unknowingly throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because they're intelligent enough not to go for the moron filter stuff but far too stupid to comprehend the utility of the cultural infrastructure it provides. Then many of them go on to adopt other more destructive ideologies while convincing themselves they're enlightened and rational beings. What unprovable, life-altering belief systems have you adopted? Do you perhaps worship the sun by sacrificing your way of life to change the weather, or pray to St. Klaus? St. Floyd? St. Fauci?

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

you ever do that, where you start with a one line quip in a YT comment and then end up with a borderline schizopost small novel? If I had more time I'd have written a shorter comment

[@spar0035]

Data: "Teacher, do not forget to assign our homework."

[@hardwirecars]

he would as well.

[@SayAhh]

If he were like Jason Fox, he would have written out as much of the periodic table as he remembered to prove her wrong. Except Data's programming and learning and personal experiences made him humble and bragging would be inefficient and a waste of time.

[@dapper4459]

*A flurry of backpacks, tricorders, and a Vulcan hurl themselves at Data

[@ehtresih9540]

@@dapper4459 I'd say it would be a klingon

[@walmartpimp2]

Data would also be that one kid who says "present" while everyone else says "here" during role call.

[@Abdega]

There were many tidbits Data remembered. The prime directive was not one of them

[@Apollo5600]

Good. The prime directive frequently results in bullshit results.

[@HUNKragor]

It's more of a guideline, than a rule.

[@Chromodar]

@@HUNKragor The Prime Subjective, very open to situational interpretation.

[@HUNKragor]

@@Chromodar I wanted to reference pirates of the Caribbean but I only saw the memes

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

@@Chromodar The Prime Directive only applies if the alien race are behaving in a manner that the Star Fleet crew approve of.

[@jeffsummstl]

It would be funny if she made Data stay after school and write “I will not correct the teacher” a thousand times, and he did it in thirty seconds.

[@Stallion386]

I must not tell lies

[@avosmash2121]

Oh man that would have been great

[@andrewroberts7428]

this is now canon

[@Peacock486]

Could you *imagine* the sound that would make? He would need to write "I will not correct the teacher" in its entirety, 33 times a second. His arm would be moving faster than eyesight and would just blur as he writes it. The lines would appear nearly instantly. You would probably hear a loud buzzing and screeching noise.

[@rwall514]

@@Peacock486 He's shown himself fully capable of doing that.

[@turtlemouth]

Silly woman. Everybody knows wood is made of ducks.

[@Bleachsoul13]

And witches are made of wood! So it logically follows that witches are made up of ducks!

[@drscope27]

Bleachsoul13 Hah, so are ducks made of witches?

[@clarkliberty1110]

Bleachsoul13 Why didn't Christine O'Donnell have herself weighed against a duck to prove she wasn't a witch back in 2010 ? Definitive proof! Maybe.

[@Person01234]

You're a quack.

[@Chebab-Chebab]

Ducks turned me into a newt. I got better.

[@Zoomer30]

Teacher: "Let's not listen to Jaden, he was eating socks earlier"

[@ericgarcia4745]

I know of a certain yellow eyed nerd that's gonna get beat up after class.

[@sinaimuse6562]

Stop LOLOLOL!!

[@lastseer]

That's an ad-hominem fallacy. Just because he was eating socks, doesn't mean he was wrong. :-)

[@missmorbid1439]

Eric Garcia Honestly, any child that could beat up Data deserves some mad respect. Data barely even reacted to being head butted by a Klingon, and he picked up an anvil like it was nothing earlier in this episode.

[@tommypetraglia4688]

And washed it down with a whole jar of paste... and take that crayon out of your nose

[@robroy8218]

Poor Data, this is how I feel at staff meetings.

[@spaceemperorkarl121]

this is how i feel every day at work as an IT specialist -_-

[@thejamesasher]

this is customer service

[@f123raptor]

@@spaceemperorkarl121 Preach.

[@woodyturgid]

Amen!

[@omar_5352]

And I thought I was alone 😂😂

[@TrueRiderFan]

Bear in mind the teacher's heart was in the right place but her methods of gathering information were misguided. Near the end of the episode the teacher is won over by Data's critical and observational thinking and she herself starts seeking accurate knowledge of things (helped by Data's microscope of course).

[@JacobEllinger]

the prime directive be damned!

[@voluntarism335]

@@JacobEllinger data lost his memory

[@Negasonic100]

@@voluntarism335 ​ @Jacob Ellinger yes on both, Data lost his memory but I feel in some cases the Prime Directive doesn't have the 'heart' in mind. It's cold logic... even Data see's sometimes when it has to be broken for the greater good.

[@Ozymandias2x]

@ZoeQuinnIsAMurderer It's code for "Look at how big my atheist brain is, I'm so enlightened and superior, it's ironic that I'm an atheist because only a miracle allows my head to contain my colossal ego".

[@zacmumblethunder7466]

@@voluntarism335 couldn't he just plug in a new one? Doesn't he carry spares?

[@cgavin1]

This scene sums up my entire career as a project manager.

[@tappajaav]

Tell me about it.

[@Mutineer9]

Was it short with fire at the end?

[@Angelrat666]

I love how Brent always put an impression of bad smell on his face, when he wants to show a reaction to human behavior that he doesn't understand.

[@sabserab]

I think its disgust to ignorance

[@Zeriel00]

@@sabserab He has no emotions like "disgust" he has a set of sub-routines that trigger when certain conditions are met to make him appear more human. Just like his blinking.

[@BigHeretic]

A study of Joey Tribbiani's acting class

[@redbeardsbirds3747]

The should make a movie all about Data..on his own adventures..that would be awesome!

[@SalvableRuin]

He would be like C-3PO mixed with a grammar nazi. It would be awesome haha

[@livedandletdie]

And actually funny and witty.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

That would indeed be awesome. I've always loved Data. Great character. It could even be way in the future, after the Enterprise crew has retired, since he's so long lived.

[@sammykewlguy]

Perhaps they should do a spin-off, "The Adventures of B4". He did indeed contain all of Data's memories, and in several fan fictions, basically became a near-perfect replica of him.

[@phapnui]

When will get a movie based on Lazarus Long character in Heinlein's novels?

[@Apollomasque]

Keep in mind that Dolores eventually is swayed by Data's thoughts and eventually becomes one of his most vocal advocates. She is a teacher, but any learned individual never stops being a student. She understands the importance of knowing when you are wrong and how important it is to be able to change your mind.

[@dbix11]

The best thing about her character is that we want to dislike her for appearing close minded but she is fantastic in that when presented with a different theory with supporting evidence she is incredibly open-minded Very humble which is rare in the professional class of science

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@dbix11 "Very humble which is rare in the professional class of science" You could not be more wrong. Wow, you so blew it.

[@dbix11]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver the truth does not consider your feelings on the matter bud.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

​@@dbix11 Science is the objective study of nature on nature's terms. You're not speaking truth--or even anything remotely realistic.

[@dbix11]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver yes science is. However I was speaking on the people and the "authority" of these institutions. C'mon man...

[@theblade9024]

When I taught high school science I had students whose knowledge was truly medieval. I used to show this clip.

[@Hamstray]

without Data's objection?

[@GraniteInTheFace]

That's cause i shows Avatar last airbender to them before they attended class

[@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301]

i bet you didnt teach in a Catholic school i called out my Religion & Science teachers & both told me to shut up---they didnt expect a 10 yr old to be that intelligent (& brave) to question obvious contrasts

[@Milamberinx]

@@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301 I guess it's obvious what kind of religion they teach in a Catholic school, but what kind of science did they teach?

[@i3lackflo]

@@Milamberinx the science of stupidity

[@Zeithri]

What made this episode so good, aside from the general interesting story. Is the fact that even though you'd suspect that she'd be one of the first to run around with a torch demanding Jaden to burn, she is in fact the first one to take his side and learn from him even though this scene would suggest otherwise. She is the one that assists him as well later on.

[@c.s.7097]

Been forever since I've seen this episode but I felt very proud for the teacher when she started coming around and really opening her mind to new possibilities. It's a shame the same can't be said for most humans

[@keepitsecret-dl1pr]

or indeed most "teachers" these days

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@keepitsecret-dl1pr What are teachers closed-minded about?

[@presidentmichael3349]

Season7 Episode 16 "Thine Own Self" For those curious

[@anakpermata2863]

thank you ,you just took a splinter from my mine

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

thank you very much guy from the past

[@robertwyness2464]

Micheal for captain of Starship, forget President!

[@mz00956]

Thx😄

[@pro10s21]

thank you captain! now fly away.

[@fistpunder]

This was one of my favorite episodes. He almost dies saving the village.

[@louistournas120]

He died for the villagers sins, just like I did.

[@elgringorumbero]

maybe Jesus was an android

[@calebtimes453]

Could any of you let me know what is the name of the episode

[@IdontCareDontReply]

@Sergio Thine Own Self

[@blitz7326]

Sean Gelles+ NO.

[@JamesPawson]

What she's saying is a version of theories held by many pre-Socratic Greek philosophers. This _thinking by analogy_ in "science" was echoed all the way through the Renaissance, especially in alchemy, with notions of "sympathy and antipathy" between demons, angels, elements, the celestial spheres, plants, animals, etc.

[@PoeLemic]

So glad that better-thinkings have discovered how matter really works. Wish we have more scientists and physicists than absurd religious believers not thinkers ...

[@melaniescott1586]

Sympathy and antipathy are not entirely extricated from things. Attraction and repulsion, symmetry and asymmetry, and the mysterious interplay of identity and difference, discreteness and continuity still baffle the imagination. The difference is how complicated the structures and observations they must account for. But our basic intuitions about such matters haven't changed that much, as they are arguably a priori ways in which we categorically experience things.

[@rizon72]

@@PoeLemic better thinking, or better way to find answers? As for absurd religious behaviors, the cult of climate change is a good one today. Don't you dare question their data, or you will be labeled a denier. You don't need a 'religion' to have absurd religious type behavior and non-thinkers.

[@marccrotty8447]

@@melaniescott1586 Well said. Human nature does not change. We still study and value the original thinkers.

[@simoncarlile5190]

The pre-Socratic philosophers were themselves impressive for their time. Thales is considered the first European in recorded history to write down natural, non-divine causes and explanations for why the world is the way it is. Before Thales and others like him, philosophy - including any understanding of math or science - was pretty heavily tied into whatever the dominant religion was at the time. Even though a ton of concepts in ancient Greece are now known to be incorrect, it's important that they began to offer _natural_ explanations which had the potential to be improved or falsified. The reasoning in this past era may seem "primitive" by today's standards but it was a hell of an improvement on "Everything is the way that god/gods made it, and that's all you need to know".

[@erwinrommel4561]

I would love to hear Data putting a flat earther in his place.

[@JohnDoe-gn7hu]

+Erwin Rommel or a global warming fanatic.

[@celt67]

You sound like you went to that teacher's classes before Data set her straight.

[@RMJ1984]

Only ignorant people dont believe in global warning. Gotta be a whole new kinda stupid, if you think man has nothing to do with global warning. we are accelerating it. You cant just suddenly be 6 billion people, who mostly drive cars with pollution and cut down 75% of the earths forrests and think he doesnt have any effect. Unless a person is ignorant ofcourse.

[@JohnDoe-gn7hu]

RMJ1984 keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Lots of evidence of scientists falsifying data to match a political agenda. Drink up, you know it all.

[@GermanLeftist]

+John Doe Yeah, right, those who believe the scientists are the ones drinking the kool aid, sure.

[@dreamcanvas5321]

Her methods weren't as misguided as it seems. There are aspects of the Earth, Fire, Water, Air interpretation that are reasonable, though ultimately incorrect and oversimplified; given the limits of technical observation: 1. Water does exist as an extremely simple molecule in wood. It's only 3 atoms, and it has many properties (like the ability to create it in a pure liquid form) that can be found in actual pure elements on the periodic table. So it's not that unreasonable to think water is an element in it's pure form if you don't have access to study advanced chemistry or physics. 2. Earth - generally thought of as dirt, is also not as unreasonable as it might seem, considering it's a mixture of organic and inorganic solids. Plants and animals use certain organic and inorganic compounds to generate energy, build biological structures and reproduce. 3. Fire - fire isn't an element; but it is the energy released by an exothermic oxidation reaction. Unburnt wood does *contain* the potential energy for fire, which again without advanced physics or chemistry is a reasonable interpretation. 4. Air - Basically everything when heated enough turns into a gas; e.g. air. Granted, plenty of those gases aren't safe to breathe, but are gasses still the same. The "Four Elements" model is ancient and incorrect; but not because people were simply ignorant or stubborn in ancient times. They didn't have sufficient data to analyze beyond that. And in fact; the idea that everything is made up of a few fundamental components is actually correct! Those components being Protons, Neutrons & Electrons. (Though going smaller there's also Quarks and Gluons).

[@NoogahOogah]

Adding to #1, almost everything in nature is hydrated to some extent. Even if water were not part of the molecular structure of wood, a certain amount of water is going to be infused in most of the wood one finds in nature - even relatively “dry” wood. This culture would probably observe that steam comes off of wood when it is heated, and before it burns, and that some wood is harder to burn than others, which can be explained - and usually is explained - by the fact that wood can be more or less saturated by water. The science of any culture tends to reflect its practical experience of the things it is studying, and the idea that a thing “contains” a certain amount of water or fire would definitely be relevant to that experience. Saying that a thing is full of fire would be a way to say that it’s very flammable, for instance. In real life, many of the other reasons ancient cultures believed that water was a basic element are pretty reasonable: A. they knew it could exist in three states (solid, liquid, gas) which seemed like a key to explaining why some elements were heavier/lighter than others, and how they transitioned into other forms; B. They knew (especially in the Mediterranean) that islands emerged from the sea, which seemed to suggest a transition from water to land; C. They understood the tides, but didn’t understand that they were caused by the moon’s gravity; this suggested that water was an inherent source of locomotion, which could help to explain the locomotion of living things - particularly since all living things require water.

[@manticore4952]

Well they were presented with sufficient Data, in android form.

[@JC-km5xw]

Who was this for, she's not gonna read it hahaha

[@Supreme2k]

I know that it's been a while, but you forgot one: 5. Heart

[@RWZiggy]

You forgot Leeloo, the fifth element

[@flashkraft]

Data "Wood does not contain fire..." Scene cuts to Data being burned at the stake by the villagers.

[@JackgarPrime]

"I am not made of wood, thus proving my assertion as you have set me aflame."

[@shimatetsuo2019]

Her theory does help explain spontaneous combustion.

[@darrylguerrant5101]

Don't you mean very slightly singed or very lightly toasted ?

[@AegisAuras]

I’ve always thought of the concept of the four elements to be relating to the four states of matter; earth as solid, water as liquid, air as gas, and fire as plasma. Because energy can be converted into different states under the right conditions, it’s not too far fetched to suggest each of those “elements” is present in everything. It’s a bit of a roundabout way of looking at things, but it has some sense to it.

[@AbandonedVoid]

Fire isn't plasma, though. It's just ash and smoke releasing heat.

[@mintakamothkind]

@@AbandonedVoid Fire is the result of combustion, a rapid, exothermic type of oxidation reaction. The heat released by the reaction can be enough to briefly ionize the oxygen that's reacting and the air surrounding it, forming a plasma, which we see as a flame. It returns to its gaseous state once there is no longer sufficient heat being emitted to keep it ionized.

[@jaket5267]

@@mintakamothkind that depends on the heat of the flame. A candle or a campfire are not reaching temperatures high enough to ionize matter and create a plasma. A candle flame is just vaporized wax and air, and the glow/heat is from combustion’s enthalpic change from the chemical bond rearrangement releasing energy to the surroundings as IR and visible light.

[@bluesteel1199]

That is a sound theory actually.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

It's one of those ancient theories that had partial truth to it but couldn't achieve the full picture. Miasmas were another one, a common theory of disease being spread through bad smells. There was a correct connection made between filth/decay and disease, but without any knowledge of microorganisms the connection between the two wasn't understood.

[@booksgaming1426]

"I wouldn't put much FAITH in his arguments." Great line for pre-industrial, pre-empiricist times.

[@aliennotion2876]

Today's Lesson: Ducks have flat feet the stomp out burning forrest fires, elephants have flat feet to stomp out burning ducks.

[@respectfulconversation944]

... What?! xD

[@amitavc]

Data: Those are not Elements! The Avatar has left the building.

[@davidlape5206]

At the beginning of the video Data’s expression is priceless. 🤗🖖

[@franciscojavierrivera7962]

data didnt understand that this was a magic class, teaching kids about making fire with elements and a wand, pluss theacher told them to practice their, spelling.

[@realneo4480]

Correct!!!

[@Estigmax]

androids will never understand the power of magic poor android fool muhahahahahaha

[@Tripserpentine]

''religious''

[@emailercc3565]

the matrix is real, and we live in it, only a few people in the comments saw the magical connection, the craft

[@blitz7326]

Data needs to go to Hogwarts

[@Shirodx]

Love it! This is the episode where I got the name "Jadin" for my first born son. When I told my mom where this name came she freaked. lol

[@Perririri]

*Jeden* does mean _one_ in Polish!

[@JimmyJazz332]

I love this. Data throughout this episode developing and applying Cartesian method of investigation in a society still stuck in an Aristotelian way of thinking and explanation of how things work, be it pious reasoning or general understanding. Descartes and especially Rohault and Spinoza would be right alongside him in supporting this philosophical approach to understanding.

[@raminrasouli191]

This was one of my all time favorite episodes. It had a sad ending though depicting the ignorance of people of that era.

[@cranbers]

I loved this episode, it was such a interesting story and plot especially this scene. Go back to an early human like society and see how little they knew about science and basic chemistry.

[@favesongslist]

Unfortunately many still follow, we always need to keep equiring and open minds to new theory's.

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

True...science is too primitive to discover the higher spiritual dimensions..

[@Crusty_Camper]

The classical beliefs in the number 4 made sense at the time. It brought everything into some sort of comprehension and pattern. So 4 seasons, humours, elements, etc. Each of these interacted with the other classifications. It was better than complete chaos but we are fortunate to live in a time of greater understanding, though we still have a long way to go.

[@qetoun]

They're getting a better education than I did :-(

[@Mechaghostman2]

@MegaProjectpat Us Americans have to use KZbin to supplement our under-funded education.

[@dannygjk]

You can thank your government for that. Fortunately tho these days you can find info on almost anything.

[@Mechaghostman2]

@@dannygjk It's not just government. A lot of private schools in this country also have the same problems. Where a teacher doesn't know the material, or just doesn't teach certain things. I think a teacher should be educated in what it is that they're trying to teach. My science teachers for example weren't. When I was in the 5th grade, I asked my science teacher why the radiation in a nuclear bomb will hurt you but the radiation in a light bulb won't. She just said it was the chemicals in the nuclear bomb, when the real answer is it's the frequency and intensity of the radiation that does it. When I was in the 8th grade, I asked my physical science teacher if liquid water would expand to fill a vacuum. He said yes. I've learned since then that the water will boil, lose energy, and then freeze. So I think a large part of the problem is due to our horrible teachers. People educated in science don't want to be bothered with the low wages that they get being a high school teacher.

[@johnc1975]

Catholic schools are generally good. There are many scientists in the Catholic faith such as Georges Lemaitre, a physicist and Catholic priest who first proposed the big bang theory. Also the baroque composer Vivaldi who wrote The Four Seasons was a Catholic priest and teacher. Catholics promote education.

[@Zorro9129]

@@johnc1975 The Academic Agent, a published KZbin academic from Britain, is converting to Catholicism partly because the schools are much better for his family.

[@killajive1]

“I wouldn’t put any faith in his ideas!” Got to love someone that doesn’t see their own bias.

[@hackman669]

Politicians 8n a nutshell

[@xxlCortez]

"And if you don't believe what I teach, the elements will torture you after you die."

[@KesorodaBlk]

“That is not what you promised me!” “E-“

[@bl568]

This was probably my favorite episode of the entire series.

[@dehdeh55]

I've had teachers like that - totally dependent on what they were told, unable to think or reason for themselves, and trying to bully the class into believing the nonsense that they teach. Good teachers first teach their students to think for themselves.

[@brucewelty7684]

HS Chemistry class 1967 "there are 3 states of matter" "isn't there a recognized 4th state? Plasma?" "Isn't that to do with blood?" several sinking sensations in the class!

[@jamesboulger8705]

David Hume showed there is no algorithm for reasoning, so I'm not sure what there is to teach. She is operating with the the framework of her time. The approach to science is to operate with a framework, independent of what that framework is. You have to appreciate that our understanding of what people do when they perform science is actually very, very recent

[@brmbkl]

"to think for themselves." have you tried that with kids of their ages? (8/12) you'ld be getting some really far out results...

[@favesongslist]

Totally agree, yet the teachers in the UK are told what they MUST teach or lose their job :( Teacher training includes brainwashing to be politically correct :(

[@Rubyofthedead]

WRONG!!! The real correction would be that you can see the water in wood by the fact that it floats. Gosh.

[@joeysingingchannel]

Reubenofthedead no, you would be seeing the effects of the air in the hollow parts of the wood that would be giving it buoyancy.

[@waldoman7]

+Joey's Singing Channel are witches made of water or air then?

[@joeysingingchannel]

waldoman7 they are made of swans. Obviously.

[@Rubyofthedead]

Joey's Singing Channel No, they are made of ducks.

[@fjccommish]

Ah, but then wood could be made of witches.

[@SimonAshworthWood]

I’ve often experienced that sort of thing when interacting with others, including some of my less knowledgeable “teachers”.

[@theunknown_747]

Thank you for placing the name of the episode in the title of the clip. Was searching for it for days.

[@decodeddiesel]

What a great episode. One of Spiner's best performances as LCDR Data.

[@leosolis8120]

Anybody else remember this actress from "The Waltons"?

[@Anonymous-wz4fm]

yes! Corabeth

[@mdd1963]

I do!

[@robhewett7602]

That's it! thanks for that. There's an episode where John tells Ike "She's a hard woman, Ike" when Ike is thinking about proposing to Corabeth. Walton wisdom, baby. You can't beat it.

[@davidhunt6463]

Corabeth Godsey. Even after they were married she still called him Mr Godsey, at least in public.

[@brymilan]

Yep! Taking care of an older person during quarantine has exposed me to a modest amount of The Waltons. When I heard Corabeth's voice I got mentally shunted right back to this scene in TNG. Good stuff!

[@Ama-hi5kn]

One of my favourite TNG episodes.

[@DarcyWhyte]

I had a teacher who told the class that all names have two syllables (after mishearing the record she played where it stated that *most* names have two syllables). I objected saying what about "Sean" and "Jennifer". The whole class had to count out the syllables of "Sean" while clapping out it's two syllables. As she loudly said "Shhhhaaaaaaaaa...AWEn". I refused while laughing out loud. She kept me after class and pulled my hair. After this I never paid much attention to teachers.

[@lylack1]

I wish teachers were as clear and coherent when teaching the way data is

[@CultOfCharliology]

The four elements are actually referring to the four states of matter: Earth = solid; water = liquid; air = gas; and fire = plasma.

[@chris11sholtz]

we know of at least 5 states of matter and have demonstrated them all. the bose-einstein condensate is what you're missing. there are other theoretical ones (just as bose-einstein condensate was theoretical for a time) which seem quite plausible.

[@Lett3rs4ndNumb3rs]

chris11sholtz Scientists at CERN made quark-gluon plasma too. www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1034056

[@CultOfCharliology]

chris11sholtz i dont think they observed them back then ;)

[@queball39]

Fire is not plamsa.

[@theDude-uq3fy]

@@chris11sholtz thats "heart"

[@rhydermike]

I'd love to see what happened on this planet later, thanks to Data's inadvertent influence on that teacher.

[@mpalfadel2008]

After watching that clip I was compelled to watch the whole episode over Don’t think I’ve rewatched that episode for twenty years Cheers

[@Deadpool3E]

I like how claiming a loss of memory is the same as losing intelligence.lol

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Deadpool3E also it’s not like he just pulled that out of his ass, having not remembered anything

[@MrMusicGuy1980]

What was great about Star Trek and TNG was that episodes were often just reflecting conflicts of the times in a sci-fi sort of way. They would tackle racism, PTSD and so on in a very clever way. I miss smart television for this fact that it made you think as well as be entertained. This episode for example kind of pokes fun at early human thinking and how we are so very arrogant that we think we're always right. It's good to be open minded and see things from another point of view.

[@zealot777]

1:30 that evil stare when she knows you're right and she is wrong.

[@keywestfan2503]

“That’ll be enough Jayden” Subsequently threatens to call Will and Jada

[@weareorigin]

Their classroom size: 5 kids per teacher. They aren't stuffing 20-45 kids per teacher.

[@cairosilver2932]

Yes, so uncivilized! But to be fair if it's like our own past the parents pay for the tutor.

[@seigeengine]

Cool. You want four to nine times the teachers? Pay four to nine times as much.

[@nopushbutton]

Guess that's one advantage of the much higher infant mortality rate back then

[@Joesolo13]

@@seigeengine Yea, we should. 30+ clearly don't work. Should be ~20 max

[@nighthawk0077]

5 extra are cheaper than 30

[@XX-sp3tt]

Everyone forgets these people based their conclusions on what information they had available. We have more information available, so we pat ourselves on the back and call ourselves more clever than our ancestors because we were able to make a more complete picture because we have more puzzle pieces that they didn't have, and we wouldn't have our puzzle pieces if they hadn't found theirs to begin!

[@peytonmac1131]

Indeed.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@peytonmac1131 You have to wonder what science 1000 years from now will make of some of our theories.

[@kilroy987]

I wonder if they've gotten to the point of purging evil things with fire and drilling holes in heads to release demons.

[@tau-5794]

Trepanning is a stone-age practice, the clothing in this scene at least looks post classical or medieval, so they might have advanced to burning at the stake. Though that could be a more Renaissance or Reformation period practice.

[@XX-sp3tt]

@@kilroy987 Blood letting was considered a scientifically sound medical practice for centuries. The biggest battle scientists fought to get Germ theory accepted WAS AGAINST OTHER SCIENTISTS! You can't just go 'OOOOooOOOooooOOOOh' while scarily waving your hands and say religion is the natural enemy of science.

[@lpnelson6584]

Data's quizzical looks and eyebrow raising always cracks me up😅

[@ceejay960]

Watching these clips on KZbin makes me want to watch the entire series...again.

[@thejamesasher]

i think we've all had at least one facebook fight with that teacher

[@dee-annschwanke6676]

"Rock, Fire, Sky and water are te basic elements of the universe. They can be found in very object, every person--everything." Me: So is that why people are so hot?

[@louistournas120]

If I was a guy living in the 1500 and before, I would guess we are hot because we have a soul. If you kill someone, the soul leaves and his body cools down. But what about the sun? Magma? Fire? Ants? Worms?

[@livedandletdie]

Actually even in ancient times the idea that the 4(5) basic elements Water Earth Fire Air (Soul) was wrong did exist.

[@Chirp296]

I don't think I've ever caught this episode. Ohhh, I know what I'm doing this weekend... beers and old missed TNG episodes!

[@orod22]

This is exactly how I feel when I hear professors today ramble on about the most ridiculous foolishness and call it science.

[@GhostInTheShell29]

Reminds me of correcting my science teacher in 7th grade. She said all life needs oxygen to live. Naturally I corrected her and brought up anaerobic bacteria. In the end I was kicked out of gifted science, and moved back down to the regular science class. Taught me a valuable life lesson, truth matters to some people, but telling the truth is always dangerous. Because to many people pride, money, position, all depend on falsehoods. The regular science class was taught by a woman who never took science in college, and didn't even understand the basics of gravity. I almost spoke up when she claimed the moon didn't have its own gravity, but merely had leftover gravity from the earth. But I had learned my lesson, I closed my book and I took a nap.

[@GhostInTheShell29]

Xan Beerboy M'erica Sadly. Parents were to cheap to send me to private school, and we didn't have charter schools around here back then.

[@jasonb.6623]

GhostInTheShell29 I'm going to school to become a science teacher and I'm leaning toward middle school. Thank you for sharing your story. If I make a mistake, I hope my students say something. (and, totally coincidentally, I recently taught a friend that the moon has gravity ... some of the science education out there is really bad).

[@GhostInTheShell29]

Jason Briski I think one of the big problems in American public schools is once you have a teaching degree you can teach any field. So sometimes you have a teacher who specialized in one field, teaching in another.

[@jasonb.6623]

GhostInTheShell29 The entire system is decentralized. In Illinois, that is not true for middle or high school teachers. Elementary teachers (K-5) teach all subjects, but middle and high school students have to be certified in their specific fields before they can teach. This doesn't mean that that is true for other states, though. I feel sorry for kids who have an unqualified teacher.

[@GhostInTheShell29]

SgtPiggie If I'm ever in the type of mood where I don't care about physical pain, I may do so. Otherwise that is a challenge I won't be taking on.

[@FurryAminal]

Corabeth look mighty cross with you Data!

[@KJTV67]

Mr. Godsey will certainly hear about this!

[@Bienville25]

I like how Star Trek could create aliens by just throwing some stretch marks and varicose veins on their heads and still tell a compelling story.

[@RebeccaTreeseed]

I grew up in the backwoods of Oregon and spent a lot of time playing alone and observing the world. I looked like Data when I went to Sunday school and heard their bizarre stories. Man, I feel for Data in this one.

[@sailtheplains]

Them kids are like: Aw shit! And then them kids like: WELL BITCH. Mhmmm!

[@Wagoo]

I am looking forward one day to a fully CGI Data done perfectly, but still acted and voiced by Brent Spiner (circumventing the aging issue)

[@Zeriel00]

You mean you want a full Liberal/Feminist and anti-Trump version of the show, written extremely poorly and that doesn't care about telling a story? CBS got you covered!

[@Mr__Singularity]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGrJaIp6Zcx-htE

[@Wagoo]

@@Mr__Singularity well indeed, I am aware of that Zuckerberg deepfake.. community seems to be ahead of hollywood though based on his appearance in Picard ¬_¬

[@Gabronthe]

Considering what she had to work with, I think the teacher was doing a pretty good job. It's not like she said the wood was full of evil spirits that run away when the wood is on fire.

[@cornparade6874]

Yeah she was at least correct about the water being deep inside the wood but not readily apparent.

[@tumbles8350]

Fire = plasma, water = liquid, sky = gas, rock = solid She wasn't too far off

[@askthepizzaguy]

Yeah this teacher (the character) is actually the cutting edge scientist in the town, owning a magnifying device which data used to make microscopes based on its principles, and she's basically one of the only ones in town who bothers to look at data's evidence and, well, data. And his methods, and his tools. She's living in the dark ages, teaching dark age science, but she's not ignorant. Show her something better and she learns, and adapts. Quickly. She's not the issue. Not even close. I love that character, shows you that all it takes is being proven wrong and some people actually do change their minds. THAT is wisdom, not clinging to superstitions in spite of the evidence.

[@YD-uq5fi]

Earth, Wind, and Fire : Boogie Wonderland!

[@steviesevieria1868]

East High School

[@try2bcool]

One does not simply argue with Corabeth Godsey.

[@BrightOranje]

Second most epic character from the most epic Sci-Fi show ever made. Brilliant writing, brilliant performances, brilliant show. These were the days.

[@mickmickymick6927]

Starfleet: Always remember the Prime Directive Ship Captain: Yeah, but what if we _= d i d n t =_

[@vincentchang2259]

He suffer memory lost.

[@Tomohiko_JPN_1868]

Follow your own directive.

[@YD-uq5fi]

This is a society similar to 16th century Europe, correct? If so, despite how primitive they are, they are still only ~500 years from Warp...

[@danforrester1610]

look at modern Africa 50 years ago not in some areas it was worse than this others about the same the might be a more advanced culture else where on the planet consider even it might be in isolation to the more primitive by choice

[@danforrester1610]

and the is very little difference between the western world and them

[@danforrester1610]

even amongst the smilingly civil and mature the is a thin venire between them and us that is mostly false civility perpetuated by culture, mostly

[@Zarrov]

No, incorrect. The level of "understanding" here is on level of stone age. Yes, really. If one would like to be charitable it is possible to say, that some ancient greek philosophers had to some extent similar ideas. This was somewhere around 2500 years ago.

[@YD-uq5fi]

Cream Ya Panties Yes. I maintain that this is roughly equal to 16th century Earth. The idiot claiming this is 'stone age' failed to note important elements of this episode like the blacksmith, the anvil, etc. Which indicates advanced metallurgy, which is a stage far later than 'stone age'.. Even the Mintakans in 'Who Watches the Watchers' were not 'stone age'..

[@Amar7605]

HE'S A WITCH!!!!!!!

[@wandaperi]

*Monty Python and the Holy Grail has entered the chat*

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

He turned me into a newt! ...I got better.

[@Glenn7719]

Grab the pitch forks, lets burn the demon at the stake. Ahh, the good old days. 😭

[@nickyliu8762]

Yeah, that's what I thought. One must be worshipping the devil to get a skin tone like that. Should have burned that heretic right away.

[@markw3598]

@@Glenn7719 "stake", ...... maybe!??

[@danwat1234]

I always remembered she had a mucuousy voice after getting pissed. Great scene

[@kingtut4734]

What an excellent episode!

[@eXtremeDR]

Some things never change - don't question authorities.

[@hackman669]

Just kill the swine instead.

[@drake8050]

But there is another element... the fifth element.

[@steveairport]

Leeloo Dallas Multipass

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

I'm a meat popsicle

[@foxymetroid]

Fifth element is wood.

[@stardude2006]

Drake It's Love. 😊

[@condew6103]

It's Milla Jovovich/LeeLoo

[@tarrker]

Still one of my favorite episodes. The ending was bitter sweet but, it makes a lot of sense.

[@crazyralph6386]

I almost shed a tear when the little girl found out Data’s real name from Riker and Dr Crusher.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

When Troi smirked at Data and told him to call her "Sir"?

[@Richard-wp6ep]

I always thought it was earth wind and fire, but then I grew up in the 70s

[@Angelicknight-jb4lf]

My same reaction. Seriously I can't believe at one point people believed this crap.

[@L4sz10]

Actually, they didn't believed it in a way that we accept scientific truth. In that time, the scientific method was nonexistent, there was only philosophy. The statements about the natural world was equivalent to statements about morale, or theology, or existence itself. The method of scientific knowledge isn't self-evident, someone had to discover it (or to invent it), and that person needed a path to reach that revelation. We need these incorrections to realize that something more is going on that we must learn about.

[@wichtigerdr.dr.prof.abmahn669]

why do you assume at one point "people believed this crap". What in the word "FICTION" do you not understand?

[@MrOarson]

This was the basis of Alchemy, which was a very real philosophy for the Greeks.

[@davido.1233]

Sadly, people STILL believe that crap...They're the Flat Earth Society! Plus, there's a creationist Museum in Australia that has cavemen in the same exhibit as Dinosaurs, so there's a bunch of assholes who think that's real too!

[@MTd2]

I suppose those Aliens do not have words for chemical compounds and organic. I wonder how that would sound like through "an universal translator"?

[@brendalg4]

+Daniel Rocha It is not because they didn't have the words. It is because they did not understand the *concept* of everything being made of molecules. The ancient Greeks believed everything was made of the 4 elements.

[@MTd2]

+brendalg4 Yes, sure. But I wonder what sort of thing the translator did.

[@brendalg4]

I think they sometimes modify what it can do so it can fit the story. There have been episodes where it did not function as expected such as Darmok. Or when it functioned when it was not there... like when a crew member did not have his communicator pin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_translator

[@MTd2]

Thanks!

[@D00m0g]

+Daniel Rocha I like to think the first words out of her mouth should have been "wtf is a 'chemical"?

[@SicilianStealth]

I remember this episode he loses his memory somehow and they gave him the name Jaden.

[@bushtrash2286]

Sounds like one of my board meetings I had when I owned my old company.

[@failtolawl]

I mean he knew chemical compounds and stuff but somehow didn't know what "radioactive" meant. Little wierd.

[@Mark-yn4vl]

Later in the episode he eventually figured out what radioactive meant. He temporarily lost his memory and knowledge. It slowly returned throughout the episode.

[@SalvableRuin]

This video stated TWICE that he had gaps in his memory. What's weird is that you failed to hear that TWICE.

[@PsychicThursday]

뿡뿡! ^__^ It's because he gaps in his cognition.

[@blitz7326]

I'm wakin up from ash and dust, I wipe my and i sweat my rust

[@sebfox2194]

Marie Curie was the same!

[@CharlemagnePalace]

By the way, this is, no joke, _exactly_ what the Romans used to believe.

[@DefaultDerrick]

No it's not.

[@CharlemagnePalace]

Derek Thomas Yes it is, I have it on no better authority than a very famous architect who was alive at that time. His name was Vitruvius, and he wrote quite a bit about the four elements in his book 'On Architecture', which I've read. He talks about how the different elements influence the difference properties of trees and wood, saying some wood, like Larch. doesn't burn because it has a high element of water, and so on.

[@Apollo5600]

They didn't know any better. These sorts of theories worked for their purposes, and obviously--with the Romans using concrete, arches, aqueducts--it did not hurt them too badly.

[@zetaone7884]

You really missed the point... It is exactly what the Romans used to believe. In my opinion 'No joke'.

[@peytonmac1131]

Science has to start somewhere. This type of thinking is considered incorrect now, but it opened the path for others to look deeper into the subject. Imagine how much of modern science will be proven wrong in another hundred years.

[@Trainwheel_Time]

Wow... I finally found Kent Hovind's old teacher.

[@sasquatchhadarock968]

I love how sci-fi writers love to promote the idea that the most ridiculous assumptions ever seen in history were in fact dogmatically promoted everywhere

[@tommypetraglia4688]

This is culled from an overall view of actual beliefs and teachings of early civilizations. The writers need a reference point and it's best to employ one which can be better related to

[@TerminallyChill85]

She's sort of correct. Those are the basic forms of matter and are in wood. If you say fire is energy, it's there too. They just don't have the tools/scientific ability to go deeper yet.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Fire is the RESULT of an energetic process.

[@desiduds]

One of my fave eps of tng!!! Loved to see data as Jayden. I liked Jayden. Poor Brent he plays for so many different characters throughout the show. Ok not making any sense. Lol.

[@RobertEskuri]

A pretty brunette who likes Star trek? Will you marry me?

[@028fn48dne]

Imagine a screenwriter being so out of touch with nature as to think that a preindustrial culture wouldn't know that wood is full of water! In pre-industrial society understanding that wood needs to dry before it's useful would be a widely known basic life skill.

[@frankcalabrese8273]

TNG is one of my favorite shows ever, but bits like this reveal the freemason psyop within

[@valroniclehre193]

It reminds me of talking to my middle school and high school teachers.

[@clinicalpsychologist]

Looks like a school in future Sweden :D

[@sithsmasher7685]

+41Djfu#lksdkjfd Future school in all of Europe for that matter. And with djinns made of smoke that we can't see but that can possess us. lol

[@askthepizzaguy]

So, you're like, 8 years old, right?

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

We've left the eussr, so let it burn.

[@wandaperi]

*Pewdepie has entered the chat*

[@Cjnw]

#PewDiePie u-Akbar !! 😛

[@Bacopa68]

This episode is based on a real incident that happened in Brazil. A guy who worked for a demolition company took apart a radiation therapy machine that still had cobalt 60 in it. He thought the metal was cool and cut chunks of it for his friends. People started getting sick.

[@GrooveYouVerse]

That woman was ready to collect some wigs with that look at the end. She like: "Know your place bishhh!"