How World War I Got Women to Wear Bras

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[@electronicfreak1111]

I can’t tell if you’re British or American

[@jamesgarrett8833]

Hey Simon I thought 💭 their was already a video of how the Great War played a part in the origin of the bras. I remember seeing it in 2018

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

I could use some waterproof shoes!

[@RavenPoet09]

Always wanted to try them but they dont come in my size sadly =(

[@victoriaeads6126]

Utterly beside the point-when I lived in St Petersburg, I had a shower exactly like that. Ah, nostalgia!

[@theshadowemperor2346]

100 years in to the future: "how world war 3 got women to stop wearing bras"

[@nnatapova]

No, I think it's because the coronavirus pandemic.

[@theshadowemperor2346]

@Madara Uchiha i heard there is an actual feminist movement to free the tit

[@guycross493]

200 year's in the future: "how world war 4 got everyone to stop wearing anything"

[@larrybe2900]

@George Kramer I agree and the maker of the topless bathing suit in 1963 had the right idea that sadly did not catch on.

[@finscreenname]

That's one war I wish they would get going. Missed the Burn the Bra movement....

[@ryanmartin4602]

Me Scanning for people offended by the word Boobs, finding Corset arguments instead, glossing over a different 90% of the content of the video than I.

[@CriticallySteffany]

Interest was peaked, the tuned out at three and a half minutes to check if the names "Karolina Zebrowska and "Bernadette Banner" appeared in the comments. Happy to see many others, who appreciate fashion history, correct the misinformation about corsets. I'm sure, with correct info, the video would have been interesting.

[@h29452]

Hearing Simon explain bra measurements has made my day.

[@Wraith_of_Storm]

*Woman*: Excuse me, Sir, but can you help me? *Store Man*: Sure! What do you need? *Woman*: I need bras. I'm a D-sized cup. *Store Man*: D-sized cup? Damn...those are some big jugs! *THE WOMAN SLAPS HIM...*

[@Mastermint]

Thanks, I always learn a lot from you!

[@WhiteFireXX]

Is this a re-make? I remember watching pretty much the same topic a while ago from TIFO.

[@nothingtoseehere5678]

Corset people are wild.

[@HarryGuit]

German „Bubi“ just means sth. like „dear little boy“.

[@rshiell3]

Dude, you own sneakers? I’m surprised. I figured you for a nice shoe guy.

[@GregAtlas]

**Facepalms over the sheer amount of corset misinformation in this video**

[@Junkinsally]

😂😂😂😂

[@nothisispatrick6528]

Her: Wait what does the assassination of a arch duke in 1914 have to do with my bra? Me: we get there when we get there!

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

Her: *doesnt exist*

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

@@gumbyshrimp2606 why you gotta make it hurt like that man

[@kurd9112]

@@tlshortyshorty5810 same bro

[@nelsonclub7722]

Private Baldrick : No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs? Captain Blackadder : Do you mean "How did the war start?" Lieutenant George : The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building. Captain Blackadder : George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front. Lieutenant George : Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. [aside, to Baldrick] Lieutenant George : Mad as a bicycle! Private Baldrick : I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry. Captain Blackadder : I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot. Private Baldrick : Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir. Captain Blackadder : Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war. Lieutenant George : By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that. Captain Blackadder : You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war. Private Baldrick : But, this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir? Captain Blackadder : Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan. Private Baldrick : What was that, sir? Captain Blackadder : It was bollocks. Private Baldrick : So the poor old ostrich died for nothing then.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@nelsonclub7722 that was awesome. Thank you. Blackadder has always been a favorite (I was reading that with Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Laurie and Tony Robinson's voices in my head)

[@amb163]

Corsets only caused issues if they were tight-laced, and most women DID NOT tight-lace their corsets!!

[@clarissathompson]

Also he was saying that the upper class women wore corsets…ALL classes of women wore them!

[@Agaettis]

Yes!!! I can't stand this myth!!

[@terryenby2304]

This! I am sad at how this was worded... I still wear corsets sometimes. I have complex joint issues and they help me with my posture and support my ample bust without cutting my shoulders.

[@terryenby2304]

I expect better from this channel. I am really upset about this. Bernadette Banner has some great resources on this, and so have some others I’m sure. Corsets weren’t tight and painful, or at least no worse than bras are today. Which frankly are tight and painful for many women anyway. It’s just most people with smaller breasts or no breasts have no idea what that’s like (nor how much they cost!).

[@melissaknive3494]

@@alanedark1538 I love the series of actual corset information including from Bernadette Banner and Morgan Donner who describe historical corsetry, but if you want to better understand it, Karolina Żebrowska's video "How Victorian Men Taught us to Hate Corsets" is an important video to watch. Also, any decent biography of Coco Chanel and how she needed a man to be her "business beard" on the paperwork because women couldn't have independent bank accounts or own businesses outright, yet corsetry was a female-dominated industry. And as far as the organs shifting, pregnancy, weight gain, and corsets (particularly poorly made/worn corsets) do shift them, but the body just does that... it's not the nightmare anti-corsetry people tell in their horror stories.

[@robinhahnsopran]

Hi! Only tightlacing squeezed people enough to displace organs. The vast majority of women never did this - in fact, the way most corsets were worn historically was extremely comfortable. It would have had to be, to be in fashion for working women for so long. To present corsets as being by their very nature crushing, squeezing or impractical to any real movement ignores the long history of women doing normal work in them. Go check out Bernadette Banner's channel for an example of what happens when someone wears a historically-accurate corset during a whole day (spoiler alert: nothing. She could do literally everything a person can do corset-less.) I'm sorry your research was misinforming you. This misinformation is pretty prevalent, and I understand how this mistake could get made. But the verdict among fashion historians is absolutely clear: the corset was just an undergarment, and not at all the torture device rumour now has it that it was. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk :)

[@arminius3808]

Your half right. A lot of women would wear corsets extremely tight, that was the fashion. But you could wear them loosely and work all day.

[@python27au]

You’d have to squeeze them very tight to get my wife shaped like that.

[@cognitivedissonancecamp6326]

At least they referenced Henry Miller - a banned author who flagrantly flaunted the norm of low key erotica.

[@Sarahhannahtx]

Thank you! You put this much nicer than I did, I’m afraid I ranted 😂.

[@TheCassandraStryffe]

I was about to say the same exact thing and recommend the same video.

[@buttercupup3687]

I wonder if there have been enough comments about corsets and the lack of research/clarification for Simon or one of his team members to actually notice

[@nicolediebel2606]

Apparently not.

[@ChazoAnwah]

@@nicolediebel2606 no video that acknowledges their mistake?

[@Aztesticals]

@@ChazoAnwah they usually will mention errors in later videos. It also depends on the channel. For example, today I found out and top tenz are more rapidly made and I think Simon has less control of them and you rarely see mistakes mentioned. But on the causal criminalist, and brain blaze Simon often mentions errors they made in old vids that the comments brought up. I think it is because on those channels he has time to go off on tangents and has more creative freedom.

[@Tony-od8fv]

Bruh I first read “how World War i got women to wear bras”

[@garrettallen7427]

*AH SHIT THEY RAN OUT OF NUMBERS! NOW THEY ARE LABELING WORLD WARS BY LETTERS!*

[@themeanestkitten]

Engleth

[@MH-jc3uj]

@@garrettallen7427 😄 Your joke got me thinking: you cannot run out of numbers. If it was the other way round (i.e., WWA, WWB, etc.) then one could say "AH SHIT, THEY RAN OUT OF LETTERS! NOW THEY ARE LABELLING WORLD WARS BY NUMBERS!"

[@cadillacdeville5828]

Me too and I'm a woman

[@ashleejones1690]

Aaand ya lost me at before even 4 minutes in by reiterating myth as fact🙄

[@KristenK78]

The number of times I yelled “LIES!” during this video... 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@TessLikesStuff]

Ooh I hope Bernadette Banner doesn't see this video....

[@seasoncolorandpi]

Or Karolina!

[@skyscreamstudios]

I kind of hope she does to be honest. She's really good at letting her annoyance be known eloquently. 😉

[@kasugaifox8571]

Someone link her.

[@skyscreamstudios]

@@kasugaifox8571 kzbin.info/door/SHtaUm-FjUps090S7crO4Qfeatured

[@Rotten_Ralph]

I hope the opposite in fact. I’d love to see the rebuttal of this from Bernadette, or, Karolina.

[@LunaRogers]

I can hear Bernadette Banner screaming in the distance. Corsets did not displace organs permanently or make it hard to breathe.

[@tracyroweauthor]

Abby Cox too

[@bishoukun]

LITERALLY SAME. I love my comfy corsets. They help my not-so-great back.

[@katemaloney4296]

Call it what it really is: The Over The Shoulder Boulder Holder.

[@camerashycoco]

Titsling!

[@dougcline79]

Boobie Bandolier. Tata Trapeze.

[@Machtyn]

My wife came up with a similar name for a male supporter: Under the butt nut hut.

[@mattgies]

I prefer the German "Brusthalter", literally "breast holder".

[@urbannanni5864]

I call my sports bra The Squishinator 3000

[@PenitentHollow]

My wife walked into the room right as Simon was saying, "Boobs, meaning breasts," and she just started laughing...11:26

[@The_Republic_of_Ireland]

If she walked in at 14:28 she'd be on the floor

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

Karolina Żebrowska would disagree with you about corsets.

[@zoetheexasperatedhistorian2516]

Her and Bernadette both!

[@crowsrose8789]

Freaking thank you! I was legit ranting at the screen to myself about corset stereotypes😂

[@MxCharlie]

I'm so glad their are others who know what's up. Corsets are not bad! I wear one and its actually way more comfortable than a bra.

[@noora1142]

Literally everyone that knows anything about corsets will disagree with him about corsets

[@esmecat]

@@crowsrose8789 i wrote a whole rant comment before seeing this, lol

[@gaiasguardian205]

A wise man once said: "Boobs are like movies, you always want to know when they're coming out."

[@rayan-rw4iq]

People in 1920 : we will have flying cars by 2020! People in 2020: what is the real reason breasts are called "boobs"?

[@allanrichardson1468]

Also people in 2020: look at those idiots on the road! Thank goodness we DON’T have flying cars!

[@blorac9869]

@@allanrichardson1468 They are everywhere, dammit!

[@yatyas311]

Lol

[@hanzinmypockets13]

Jet packs by 2000.......Still waiting

[@allanrichardson1468]

@@hanzinmypockets13 Have you seen the idiots on the highway? You want them flying into each other? Falling on buildings containing innocent people?

[@tyrant-den884]

And women's backs have been aching ever since.

[@Lawfull73]

But they could breathe

[@tyrant-den884]

@@Lawfull73 actually they could breathe before too. Most of the "so tight they can't breathe" BS came from comic strips written by men.

[@j.a.m5083]

@@Lawfull73 dude just go to literally any other comment under this video 😂 everyone is writing essays about how wrong this video is. Or look up some of the great fashion historians on here. Also men wore corset to!

[@__DY__]

Is Dereck Couch “mansplaining” here? I’ve never really understood the term until now....

[@tyrant-den884]

@@__DY__ honestly: I'm closer to manspalaining him just by saying "actually". Whether or not you are right or wrong doesn't matter; what matters is that you are diminishing someone else's voice.

[@naseerahvj]

Too bad corsets were typically "ultra tight and ultra restrictive" FYI most women didn't tight lace and many women throughout history did manual labour in them....

[@python27au]

Bet they were skinny women. Most of the women i know would not fit into one.

[@lizziearzola]

Yeah, youtuber and fashion historian Bernadette Banner has a video on this if someone would like to hear a bit more on the subject

[@Elentarien]

@@lizziearzola There are quite a few other videos done by costumers and history-bounders as well that regularly wear them and indeed a LOT of people prefer them to bras. They're just more comfortable and supportive. Assuming one does not try to lace them so they can't breathe. :P Loepsie recently tested them, PriorAttire has addressed it, and I've seen others, but had already gotten the point and moved on. Nor is it just for skinny people. Plus-sized history-bounders and costumers also use them. lol I'm even considering tackling the creation of one myself. . .though not yet brave enough for something that fitted. :)

[@yamitsukikarasu8857]

@@python27au Corsets were custom made at that time. Women also had to break them in and have them refitted. Making a corset was a process that assured it would fit it's owner. The women you know would probably feel less of their excess weight if they were to wear one of those corsets.

[@ashleysmith2800]

@@yamitsukikarasu8857 Thank you for posting the facts.

[@Scereyaha]

I would think it highly relevant to point out that there is a difference between wearing corsets and tightlacing and that unless you are specifically tightlacing, corsets are just supportive garments and both perfectly safe and comfortable. A bit more research, fact checking and consulting people who both study AND WEAR corsets might be in order.

[@nadanada5698]

@Scereyaha either way they are still “ over the shoulder boulder holders “ 😉

[@Scereyaha]

@@nadanada5698 Oh honey no.... Corsets _do not_ go over your shoulders. I'm trying to come up with a rhyme that implies something about someone hugging you all day and cupping your breasts, but I'm struggling with what reality even is right now, so...

[@nadanada5698]

@@Scereyaha R U a girl or guy ?

[@Scereyaha]

@@nadanada5698 Neither really, but I would love you to tell me why you ask. Is it my sense of humour? Under the boopers boob scoopers?? I do assure you though that I am speaking from personal experience when I say corsets are actually comfortable and supportive if they are fitted and worn as intended.

[@grandy2875]

@Scereyaha, exactly...if people want to take the time to go through the myriad of KZbin videos produced by the historic costume community, they would find any number of examples to prove just this point...Cathy Hay, Bernadette Banner, Nicole Rudolph, Abby Cox to name but a few... I really do wish people would get over the very wrong impression that a corset is some type of suppression device when in fact it is, when worn correctly, a quite comfortable garment, much more so than the modern underwire bra... ;)

[@affable407]

So disappointed to see another video propagating lies about corsetry. The alleged “negative effects” of wearing corsets were actually the results of tight-lacing, an extreme practice which involves pulling corset strings extremely tight to create a very small waist and exaggerated silhouette. The vast majority of women who wore corsets did so to support their backs and breasts and did not try to cinch in their waists but rather had corsets custom-made to fit their natural body shape. Contrary to popular belief, corsets were quite comfortable and not restrictive to breathing or movement when properly fitted and worn as intended!

[@naseerahvj]

Yes I was so disappointed by this video

[@buttercupup3687]

Yes! 👏

[@john-paulsilke893]

Simon did say the style was to wear a corset as to accentuate the female form. This is akin to say a gentleman wearing a cod piece to accentuate his manliness. Depending on history this could be a smaller or larger cod piece. Look at ancient statues of men, they often display a very small manhood especially for the Hellenistic’s. The sign of stupidity, more of a beast than a man was often suggested and was the kind of thing barbarians sported. In any case we have a similar corset for modern times and more modern obsession as far as the lovely form, the LuLu Lemon jagging, (I think that’s spelled correctly).

[@pepelemoko01]

Simon is looking more like Groucho Marx every day, just needs a cigar and raised eyebrows to punctuate his one liners.

[@aceundead4750]

A lot of women during ww2 wearing corsets in america probably wore target brand mass manufactured corsets not specifically fit to them. You do have to remember the time he's talking about

[@nightburststudios2142]

This isn’t a dig, more just an FYI for anyone watching: as much as I like this channel, I study fashion history and I’m not even gonna try to get into all of the corset portrayal inaccuracies.

[@baylorsailor]

I study it too and went straight to the comments to see if anyone called out the mistakes lol! I was happy to see many people have corrected him.

[@prepperjonpnw6482]

I study fashion as well mainly at the beach but hey everyone needs a hobby lol

[@OriSnori]

Oh, darling, trouble breathing and displaced organs were only from tight-lacing, which most corset-wearers didn't do.

[@szczurek2725]

Came here just to point out that we shouldn't confuse corset wearing with tight-lacing, just as you said. I need to dig up a great video about it that I've seen some time ago - corsets were far less impractical that it's commonly thought.

[@Baldeaglefacts]

@@szczurek2725 Is it Karolina Żebrowska"s video: "How Victorian Men Taught Us to Hate Corsets: The Biggest Lie in Fashion History"?

[@szczurek2725]

@@Baldeaglefacts I'm pretty sure it was something by Bernadette but I think that one's okay too :)

[@LUNUSt]

@@szczurek2725 both did videos on the subject. Both equally good and informative

[@sciencenate]

Lol you’re an awful person. Starting anything with “oh darling” makes you sound really pretentious.

[@skyscreamstudios]

Your information about Corsets is inaccurate. I suggest Today I Found Out take a visit to the channel of Bernadette Banner, for example, and check out her videos on Corsets. She's a fashion historian who wore a medical corset for many years due to scoliosis. She has a few videos containing historical, factual, information that might be helpful on this subject in the future. For the first time ever for me ... thumbs down due to wildly inaccurate information. 😒

[@Midlife_Manical_Mayhem]

corsets were not only worn by wealty women--- they were worn by MOST women in the western world. even pregnant women wore corsets, just a different type. also, if you consult some of the MANY historical garment channels,corsets that were made for that woman were not restrictive or unneccesarily tight. the idea of tight lacing was rare and not what most women did. the illusion of a tiny waist was made by the fact that their tops and sleeves were very voluminous as were their multiple layers of petticoats along with bum and hip rolls to make those areas larger.

[@beckfry5374]

Yeah honestly the research on this episode was such a let down

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

I know right? I can’t believe such an intelligent man not do his research with such blatant examples all around

[@neuralmute]

As a historical costumer, I can absolutely confirm. Whenever I'm out at an event in full dress, you can bet that I'm *not* going to wear an uncomfortable corset for an entire weekend of workshops, dancing, eating actual food, and using public toilets! The point of the corset is the silhouette, NOT the size of the waist inside it. And since a well made, custom corset is built to fit, what wouldn't be comfortable as long as your posture is good? A good corset is built to last too - my first and favourite, super worn-in corset is 21 yrs old this year!

[@VainSick]

@@adrianghandtchi1562 everyone makes mistakes.

[@linabasilisk1955]

Some men wore corsets too. They did tightlace them, they were disfigured by them, and it did not make them better soldiers (yeah, those dopes were soldiers).

[@concernedcitizen6313]

I'm sadly disappointed, although not entirely surprised, by the misinformation about corsets that pervades the first part of this video.

[@MadTheDJ]

I'd love to see Bernadette Banner make a reaction video to this one. I can imagine the facepalming and politely restrained frustration would provide no end of amusement.

[@concernedcitizen6313]

@@MadTheDJ Same, or any of the other lovely channels that focus on old-world clothing.

[@oofi422]

Oh boy, as soon as you started to talk about corsets I know what was coming.

[@DelilahSweet]

I’m so very sorry Simon but the Costuber community would enjoy you making a video about what it was REALLY like to wear a corset and how tight-lacing was NOT the norm and how corsets were not as restrictive as Hollywood leads us to think. I suggest checking out Karolina Zebrowska and Bernadette Banner in particular who have both worn and wrote and sewn extensively about corsets. Thank you!

[@MxEverybody]

*sigh* corsets were not all uncomfortable, some fashionistas took it too far but they can be more comfortable than a bra if worn correctly. It also improves posture. Millions of women throughout history, working women especially, wore them every day and weren’t fainting all over the place.

[@Eurobeat_fan]

finally someone said this but obviously nobody will listen

[@naseerahvj]

I was hoping someone else would comment this

[@buttercupup3687]

Thank you! 👏

[@peterkoller3761]

objection! in a healthy person, only exercise improves posture. what a corset does to bad posture is take the work from weak postural muscles and thus weakening them even more.

[@larrybe2900]

@@peterkoller3761 All that and what a woman had to endure without air conditioning.

[@Sarahhannahtx]

Have you ever done even five minutes of research on corseting?! Seriously there are so many things incorrect in the first two minutes post add that the refuse to watch the rest of the video. Stays and corsets have been in use for supporting women’s breast for thousands of years. There is also a MASSIVE difference between wearing a corset or stays for bust and back support and doing so for tight lacing. To this day some women prefer the support and comfort of a corset to the digging of a bra.

[@sophieruby9135]

If your bra is digging, you've got the wrong size.

[@nat6098]

I mean, cool, but as long as you don't tight lace corsets aren't bad for you and they won't permanently rearrange your organs. I wear one to support my arthritic back and it allows me to do more than I used to, including rock wall climbing, with no issues. Corsets were expensive and a pain to get measured for so after not having the steel for them ditching them wasn't an issue. Most corset hatred was actually started by men who were worried that women were gaining too much confidence and so decided to talk about how corsets were a purely vain thing and that it's awful. Also never take actresses' opinions seriously, like good shoes good corsets take a while to break in and you really should wear a layer of fabric in between them and your skin.

[@ahmedeox]

Karolina Zebrowska has a video on the corset and she goes into details on this. The corset is like a belt. If you want to tighten it to the point where you puke your guts, you're free to do it, but you don't have to. You can just lose weight.

[@dubioussightz1538]

Well said!

[@SakuyaKira24]

I was just about to comment!

[@michelapompei]

Thanks! I was about to say just that!

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Thought bone was used before steel?

[@acorneroftheinternet4179]

You can breathe in corsets!! Oh my god, the only reason it would be hard to breathe in one woulf be if you were doing some serious tight lacing or it was not made to your size/shape

[@afoxcatartvideos4877]

Bras are uncomfortable

[@socratesagain7822]

This entire presentation reminds me of a silly joke I heard back in the very early 70's: Q: What kind of bees give milk? A: Boo-bees... Be well.

[@buttercupup3687]

*is disappointed with the “corsets are bad” narrative* *looks at comments* *sees all the comments defending corsets* *proud meme mom noises*

[@zoetheexasperatedhistorian2516]

I want Karolina to tear this video apart so bad!!

[@dangeldoll]

@@zoetheexasperatedhistorian2516 the whole internet is sending this video to all of the fashion historians all-day

[@NateDecker1982]

13:05 The word "shew" is still pronounced as "show" in the same manner that the word "sew" is pronounced like "so".

[@MisterKnightly]

I'd also watch a channel where Simon randomly tests things. That way he could accept more bribes from sponsors. Allegedly.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

*standing ovation*

[@clarissathompson]

Anyone else here waiting for Bernadette Banner to address this video?

[@camerashycoco]

Or Abby, or Nicole, or Morgan, or..., or..., or... Yeah, I'm a fan of Simon, and I generally think they've done good research here, but the whole killer corset nonsense makes me crazy every time I hear it.

[@clarissathompson]

@@camerashycoco Lol, totally!

[@zoetheexasperatedhistorian2516]

Her and Karolina both!!

[@teresagoodrich4388]

Agree! Bernadette vs Simon showdown!!! LOL!

[@clarissathompson]

@@zoetheexasperatedhistorian2516 omg, Karolina ain’t afraid to throw shade!😆

[@KhiwaneanTsuki]

Glad to see lots of other chiming in on the corset misinfo. Sad that this video also has misinfo on actual bras: cup volume of the letter sizes scale with the band size, so giving an actual volume that equates to a letter size is basically impossible unless it's for a particular band size. I'm not even all the way through the video and, wow, do I expect more from this channel!

[@annikan42]

Thank you! I haven't seen anyone else comment on that. A 34B and a 42 B definitely won't have the same volume! But a 34B and 36A might

[@bishoukun]

I couldn't even get past the corset terror myths... oh, Simon... I expect so much more from him and his team.

[@MrPhillipcmartin]

Never has so much discussion of breasts been so completely void of titillation. Well done, Simon

[@amandahertel4969]

Would you PLEASE STOP spreading these horrible corset MYTHS! You seem to value accuracy and truth, so before you do another of these videos go talk to some Historical Recreation Costubers. Bernadette Banner, Abby Cox, Nicole Rudolph, Cathy Hay.

[@buttercupup3687]

Yes corsets could make it hard to breathe and shift organs but that was only if they were tight laced which was not common or really encouraged and it was mostly upperclass women that did so. And unless they were tight lacing from a young age the organs should have returned to their proper places once the corset was removed. A properly fitting corset that is not tight laced should not be uncomfortable or hard to breathe/move. Yes some mobility is lost since you can not bend with the back but you could still bend at the hips and knees just fine.

[@hannayoung9657]

And the cheap one didnt even use metal but goose feathers shafts which couldn't be tight laced.

[@AmberWool]

Many upper class women would have ribs removed, highly dangerous, so they could lace their corsets tighter.

[@hannayoung9657]

@@AmberWool Actually That isnt true, how ever since upper class women was laced much younger then the poor, their lower ribs often got deformed and in rare cases broke and never reformed.

[@buttercupup3687]

@@AmberWool No they wouldn’t, especially given the state of medical practices at the time that would have been an extremely risky and deadly procedure. No woman was doing that, they actually had tricks to edit pictures to make a woman’s waist look smaller (like literally painting over it) so pictures aren’t really a reliable source. I recommend you watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH_ahaSXo9Vjd9k

[@dangeldoll]

@@AmberWool how did they"remove ribs"back then? where did the medical surgeon doctors come from? time travel? I need to know where do people get this idea form

[@j.a.m5083]

This is like the 10nth video I’ve seen of yours with that crap corset propaganda 🙄 I swear have Danny watch exactly one(1) video of Bernadette Banners, or literally one of the hundreds of videos of real fashion historians talking about corsets. It’s such a simple thing to consistently miss when that’s all the comment sections on these videos are saying. It makes us think (what else are they getting wrong?) and then promptly click away from your videos.

[@seasoncolorandpi]

Please take a moment to actually research corsets instead of perpetuating false information about them. For centuries women did every kind of work, labor, play, and sport in corsets without any of the negative consequences you claimed.

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@Evilpimp Perhaps just a person who knows the history?

[@j.a.m5083]

@Evilpimp I think everyone’s problem with this is if they can get such a basic fact so horrible wrong what else are they getting wrong?

[@tieck4408]

I don't get the corset brigade. People are often uncomfortable even in modern bras, socks, shoes, tights, pantsu, etc. If you wear a restraining garment over most your body all day, you're sure to experience the same relief when you take it off - but at a correspondingly greater scale. The discomfort reflects real issues. Particularly if the thing is not breathable and incorporates hard structures like whalebones, there's a risk of minor complications if you wear it all through a hot summer... even if it isn't pulled tight by your handmaiden. Just like men's boxers vs tight underwear, there's such a thing as human progress.

[@j.a.m5083]

@@tieck4408 whale bone has roughly the flexibility of zip ties(because it is cut so thin) actually a lot of theatre costumers use them instead of synthetic whalebone. Yeah we will always feel better when we take off any garment of clothes. But some people (like myself) prefer tightly fitting structured garments. A big difference between bras and corsets is that bras put all the weight of ones breasts on your shoulders and one tiny band around your chest. Corsets distribute this weight evenly across your torso and hips. While also helping improve poster. Two things proven to help with back pain. Especially for larger chested women. I’m currently saving up for a corset to wear. But for years I suffered from back pain and horrible discomfort with bras because I simple didn’t know there was another option. And it’s miss information like these that cause this problem. And where not even gonna get into how corset hate was a result of anti women propaganda in the Victorian era. A fashion historian said “we like to think we know better then previous generations but there is a reason women (and men) wore girdles>stays>corsets for hundreds of years” If it was some horrible uncomfortable torture device why would women wear it? Even bras serve a purpose, Also corsets and stays where not just worn by upper class women who had servants. Working class women wore them to. And they where designed by women, for women. To help with ease of movement when working long hours on ones feet. It’s simply people fighting against miss information for the common knowledge of society.

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@tieck4408 I mean if you don't get it, you can read the experience of people who have tried it, or try one yourself. No need to assert your lack of understanding as an argument against corsets, especially when it seems like you haven't bothered research this topic one bit. Also, progress isn't always good. If you always charge forward without looking to see if you're taking the right path, you can very likely run yourself off a cliff, into a tree or some other hazard. Sometimes, older things are better than their modern equivalents. Sometimes, the new invention is inferior. You can't just think that new = better every time. That's just a bad mindset, and could get you to make bad decisions.

[@danakruger]

Corsets weren't that bad.Karolina zebrowska videos are great at demonstrating this. Really recommend watching her if you haven't already.

[@philipjohnson3225]

That moment when you think you’ve heard a man say that a bra patent was sold to Warner Bros. ..

[@claritey]

Simon! No, No, No. I am so disappointed in your team for not doing accurate historical research and instead perpetuating stereotypes and misinformation about corsets. I usually like your channels because they seem very well researched but this is just unacceptable and lazy. Do better next time.

[@SafetySpooon]

a) The Victorian corsets you describer were already out of favor by WWII; at that point, the corset was straighter, & went down below the hips. However- b) None of the problems you outline are endemic to normal corset wear, *just* "tight lacing".

[@baylorsailor]

He said WWI but I know what you mean.

[@hunterlang578]

The amount of comments regarding corsets makes me half expect them to show up on the market again soon

[@buttercupup3687]

Probably not since they can’t really be mass produced and comfy like most things today, it just doesn’t fit in with our fast fashion society however there are tailors who make historical fashion professionally and there is always shape wear and bras that essentially do the same thing

[@glenngriffon8032]

11:03 "Perhaps because of the way they can make men do stupid things" Come on now Simon, not just men. Some women are just as susceptible to the hypnotic power of pretty breasts on a pretty girl. I myself have done my own share of dumb things because I was trying to impress a girl who seemed to be into me.

[@nichmiller4251]

I always figured Business Blaze would be where we would end up watching Simon take a shower but I guess we're all wrong, eventually.

[@cferracini]

Small correction: corsets didn't cause those problems. A practice called tight lacing was to blame. And historians estimate most women didn't practice tightlacing. But a notorious historical figure who did was Princess Sissi.

[@tungstentaco495]

I think we need to see a Business Blaze version of Simon doing this story. that would be epic.

[@candacekoch6383]

Yes! Please!!

[@offrails]

I'm sure a Blaze version wouldn't be as full of comments about corsets. "Allegedly" can be a very powerful word. Allegedly.

[@golddragonette7795]

What a shame you're completely and embarrassingly wrong about corsets *sigh*

[@pinkbunny6272]

I wear a elastic mix of corset and spanx for back support. Now I love the feel of support.

[@WickedKingLycoan]

@Pink bunny: You Go On With Your Bad Self Bunny! Do what feels good for You! Women Free!!!

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Sir. We've been over this before in your last corset dissing video: THEY AREN'T UNCOMFORTABLE, THEY DON'T RESTRICT YOUR BREATHING, and THEY DON'T SQUISH YOUR ORGANS

[@Orangeninja5000]

Why are you so worked up about it? Do you have a particular stake in the invention of corsets? Are you related to whoever first patented it? Calm the hell down.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

@@Orangeninja5000 I'm mad because this is supposed to be an educational channel, and he's spreading misinformation. I would be just as mad if he was saying hyenas are canines.

[@Orangeninja5000]

@@Amy_the_Lizard I can understand that much, but you can correct misinformation without yelling about it, though. It doesn't make you come off as being reasonable.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

@@Orangeninja5000 I did the first four times it happened, but I'm starting to lose patience at this point

[@bearheart2009]

And thank God for that! it's all well and good eschewing bras if youre a B cup, but when youre lugging around DD knockers it can be uncomfortable not having support -.-

[@GTAVictor9128]

I can imagine. There's a good reason why the majority of sportswomen have small breasts.

[@AeroQC]

This feels like a re-upload. Am I misremembering this? Aside from the Vessi ad spot, i feel like I saw this episode or something really close to it before. *visibly confused *

[@GoddessFourWinds]

"Shew" is pronounced "show." That verse you read actually rhymes. :)

[@BarnDoorProductions]

I was about to post the same thing (nearly verbatim), but decided to scroll down, first.

[@GoddessFourWinds]

@@BarnDoorProductions It's cool knowing random stuff, isn't it? Especially when an ocassion arises when you get to use it! I think this also counts for you!

[@francispitts9440]

You’re right about Curt Cobain’s death. It wasn’t suicide. Shotty investigation and this lead to people getting away with murder.

[@GoddessFourWinds]

@@francispitts9440 Exactly! You can't just walk onto a scene of someone's death and call it a suicide. Proper protocol says that, until otherwise determined, all deaths are to be considered murders. SPD really effed this one up but acknowledging that means taking responsibility for the suicides that came afterward.

[@francispitts9440]

@@GoddessFourWinds As you can tell I tend to read profiles on whatever social media platform I’m looking at. Enjoy your day and thanks for the reply 😊

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

I hope you know that corsets are just a means of supporting the body and garment correct? This whole tight lacing phenomenon came about very late but it was just not true for the majority of women throughout the years, some wonderful women like Carolina and Bernadette and Morgan really come about to educate me on this.

[@BLOODKINGbro]

Always thought it was top view "B". front view "oo". side view "b". Hence "Boob".

[@MachuPichucp11]

....that.....you......I’m speechless

[@toddnolastname4485]

Isn't that what Simon said in the video?

[@MachuPichucp11]

@@toddnolastname4485 yeah, found out later, but i still thought anyone that thought this anyway was mindblowing lmao

[@johnburr9463]

"shew" is just an alternate spelling of "show" and both are pronounced identically.

[@johnburr9463]

@Phil M I forgot about that. Been forever ago.

[@toddkurzbard]

@Phil M I would have mentioned that if you hadn't beat me to it. And I'm old (58).

[@scheimong]

Wait a moment, didn't I already watch this video like a year ago? Is this a reupload?

[@elijanzen4015]

I'm glad someone else noticed. I thought I was going crazy!

[@buttercupup3687]

Me too man but that was solely focused on the origins of the word: boob

[@reddog-ex4dx]

"Little or no evidence." Gee, where have I heard that phrase lately?

[@OL9245]

Today’s vidéo starts at 2:37. This channel has lost its soul for long. The random lengthy add followed by the random topic on subjects that are not even new. I had a good time with you. Thanks for that. Time to unsubscribe. Best whishes.

[@urbannanni5864]

By the time you got to "fun bags", I was laughing hysterically! How did you get through that list of synonyms without laughing? I'd have given odds that "chesticles" would have done you in.

[@channel_no_longer_active]

Next Video How WWll got people to wear shirts.

[@QBCPerdition]

T-shirts as an outer garment, definitely.

[@Xerxes2528]

Next:how WWIII got people to breath

[@kathrynehiersche1817]

I happily join the group with fact checks: corsets aren't the only thing that shift organs: birth and general weigh gain/loss do that too

[@maxdevlin4349]

There used to be a show called "The Doctor Demento Show" on radio. They used to do parody and silly songs all the time, one of the funniest went like this... "they're just the mammary glands, they don't make cheese or butter cause they're just a human udder..."

[@michellekeefer7397]

Loved that show

[@kachnickau]

COME ON! Stop spreading misinformation about corsets in 21 century.. There is whole youtube around historical costuming and corsets and you open video with the most basic stuff that were explained like thousand time... *facepalm*

[@Ciborium]

Also: Sweater puppies, knockers, melons

[@oquendo0021]

Rockers,ballons, cantaloupes

[@rickc2102]

Bags of sand... 🤭

[@stephaniehight2771]

I have liked a good 20 of the "Corsets aren't uncomfortable. You can breathe and work in them." comments. I am adding my own here. Do you think if we put enough comments in, we can get an apology video from Simon? FYI, I am currently wearing a corset for the 8 hour work day at my Renaissance Faire, and I work, move and sing while wearing it. The back support is WONDERFUL!!!

[@CujoHyer]

*listens closely, nods softly.* Ah... yes... interesting. Yes. Quite interesting... Well that was very informative. Thank you. *pornhub*

[@Friendship1nmillion]

Me: ♂️🇦🇺 My reaction to your comment: 🙄

[@CujoHyer]

@@Friendship1nmillion You communicate through pictures. Like caveman, oo oo aa aa

[@KristenK78]

Oh Simon, no. No no no. Corsets were not medieval torture devices that restricted movement or permanently disfigured women. Bodies, stays, and corsets were essentially the ancestors of the modern bra: they supported the breasts, as well as yes, helping women achieve the trendy shape or silhouette of whatever period they lived in. Those silhouettes were also achieved using padding, layers, and optical illusions in the cut and style of fabric. There is s whole world of historical costumers on KZbin (“CosTube”) who in fact quite recently have posted videos on Victorian corsets compared to modern orthopedic devices used to treat scoliosis (Bernadette Banner); a history of bodies, stays, and corsets, and how they differ (Abby Cox), and how bra sizes were actually originally based on, of all things, Edwardian blouse sizes. I don’t know who does the research for these videos, but the person responsible for this video owes us all a redo with better sources.

[@codyandrews8858]

Well to everyone who watches business blaze we know the shoes aren't water proof, only water resistant.

[@offrails]

Allegedly

[@adriannegentleman83]

you know nothing about corsets, all women wore corsets, and many of them worked and worked very hard. Only very wealthy women tight-laced, and not many of them, your information is very out of date. corsets and padding were used to create a fashionable shape. Try watching youtube videos by people who actually wear corsets these days. such as Bernadette Banner, Abby Cox, and Morgan Donner, all of whom have produced videos proving wrong your generalized statements about corsets.

[@ladydrace]

This is horribly researched. Any quick google could tell you corsets were by no means as restrictive as people think.

[@francoislacombe9071]

Maybe not, but there's a reason smelling salts were so widely used at the time.

[@JoshexDirad]

Sorry, having studied this myself it has to do with the root of the British English term for a pacifier. being of the same origin, both were so named for the same reason, with a pacifier being a "dummy" and a breast being a "boob". The word was not derogatory towards women but rather children, specifically noisier needier children who tended to cry too much. A dummy or a boob are meant to describe the action of making a child dumb, or un-expressive, in other words, "no longer crying". I can just see some gossiping women in the 1600's playfully mocking their children by using the term to describe the effect of their own mammaries..

[@samatlas2574]

Wow after being a WW1 historian for 3 years, I love to learn something new!

[@octopus8420]

This is clearly missing a word, right? I'm confused

[@samatlas2574]

@@octopus8420 lol i meant historian 😂

[@samatlas2574]

@Alan Hardcastle lol nope

[@octopus8420]

@@samatlas2574 you're probably from Britain then - I didn't know WW1 history exists outside a major in the US or master degree in Europe.

[@samatlas2574]

@@octopus8420 its not my major i just study for fun

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Today I found out that if you want to learn about womanly things, don't listen to a man who hasn't done his homework. Based on the many many comments here (pretty much all by women), I am now much more informed about a lady's personal support system than I have any right to be. Thanks, ladies! (from a 64-year-old man who still enjoys finding out)

[@JamesMcCormickIV]

THE MOST IMPORTANT 'TODAY I FOUND OUT' This is what it's all been building to boiz.

[@harrykoppers209]

Corsets fell out of fashion during WW1, at the same time as petticoats went away and hemlines raised. Gummint propaganda made extreme sacrifice a virtue, so the metal was saved (though in reality a very minor amount) and cloth was conserved, but (I think) women took the opportunity to break the victorian mold. The trend peaked in the 20s with the flapper fashions, then hemlines went down again.

[@NagromMit1]

Mandela effect confirmed, Simon possibly in another timeline has already did a video about this.

[@emmgeevideo]

I was a college student in the early 70s, i.e., a young adolescent male. This was when “burn the bra” became something young women did to proclaim their empowerment as the Women’s Movement emerged and gained popularity. I enjoyed the “no bra look” quite a bit and was happy that it lasted quite a long time. I thought it was ironic that this supposed act of freedom from male oppression and treating women like sex objects actually increased men’s attention to that part of the female anatomy.

[@LikaLaruku]

Howe did "bimbo" go from meaning "hobo" to |"dumb blonde?" Why do chicken breasts & thighs react so different when cooked after being marinated overnight?

[@darkermatter125.35]

Cup size is actually how many inches the measurement around the breasts adds to the measurement around the ribcage. 1 inch= A, 2= B, 3= C, ect. A 32C and a 40C are insanely different in volume.

[@thetacticalpagan5859]

Just hearing whistler say "fun bags" made my day.

[@johnnyboy4ever]

In the second example you gave by Henry Miller in Sexus, he seems to literally describe breasts as as things that "stammered" about, by calling them "vegetable appendages".... And in all fairness, they are pointy like a dunce cap.

[@Lolfire]

Simon watering his shoes in the shower is pure blaze energy.

[@wasd____]

Today I Found Out: corsets usually aren't really terrible. Thank you, women of the comment section! Always appreciate hearing the real story from the people who would actually know.

[@Thefootqueen]

“Worst thing about World War One.” -Some guy in the comments

[@SashyGryphyth]

Be careful relying on photos for evidence. Even in early photography they found ways to edit them and did so to thin the waist on women. It required money, time and the right tools and someone trained, but even my ancestors had this done just to look "the height of fashion". Basically, photoshop is older than Photoshop. It could be quite well done and convincing too. It was professional models most at risk for body modding, as editting photos at the rate they had photos was best kept to a minimum. Just like in today's modelling industry.