Bad Therapist Causes Six False Convictions | Helen Wilson and the "Beatrice Six" Case Analysis

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[@waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

when i read "6 false convictions" i was thinking it'd be over a 45 year career or something, not in ONE CASE. like holy shit the incompetence of everyone involved is frightening.

[@achiever8008]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[@mamacito1795]

Thats the word, this is so scary. How easily people can be led to falsely confess and this is not in some totalitarian police brutality state(i know some may argue with this but I mean the places that are brazen about it) where a confession is beaten out of people. Its just one tragedy after another. That poor guy dying an awful death qhen he shouldve been living easy on his settlement and literally the day before too.

[@nimeryaspawnbrd1049]

They had evidences but not an offender, so they started to round up people to match those evidences. They didn't care about finding the actual perpetrator at all, literally anyone could do. To me, this is not just incompetence it's disingenuity.

[@albertafarmer8638]

s*** isn't holy.

[@Sgt-Gravy]

When the death penalty is the only other choice, you'll just about agree to anything. I'm sure death penalty states were & are full of false confessions, for that very reason. Their lives are changed forever, for nothing... 😪

[@shawnnewell4541]

This is why you get a lawyer. The police are not your friends. Their job is to close cases.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

The law gives them so much leeway to just straight up lie to get the job done

[@cinemathequerouge317]

Well, I guess that's one way to keep the streets safe. All the innocent people are locked away safely from the crooks.

[@shawnnewell4541]

@@cinemathequerouge317 That is an interesting take. But prison and jail are pleasant.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Lawyer up! As my Dad always said.

[@aarondavis8943]

There's that. But this case is a planetary alignment of stupid.

[@christopherbrochu7492]

It should perhaps be clarified that the lab that messed up the original analysis of Smith's blood was in Oklahoma, not Nebraska. The analyst behind the error was later implicated in several wrongful convictions in Oklahoma.

[@888zzz]

Falsely confessing is systematic. A fundamental injustice of our justice system is the falsely accused being forced to admit to lesser crimes to avoid losing at trial and receiving a much longer sentence.

[@seymourclearly]

Your 'justice' system is a joke, to the rest of the world the corruption is obvious and unless youre rich you havent a chance, innocent or guilty AND yet despite this in some states people are executed

[@eadweard.]

Well if they'd lose a criminal trial for the heavier changes then they're probably guilty of the heavier changes. Pleading guilty to a lesser charge doesn't somehow mean you're innocent overall.

[@karis7649]

Hey @eb, we have good evidence you killed your best friend. Someone saw you walking away from the scene and you have no alibi. We’re going to win cause juries are easily convinced. You will die in prison. Or (and this offer expires) you could plead to manslaughter & be out in 10. What’s your choice?

[@eadweard.]

@@karis7649 Well did I actually kill my best friend in this scenario?

[@karis7649]

If the cops have evidence that the prosecutor can convict you with, it doesn’t matter if you did or not, the only thing that matters is that they can convict you. 8% of convictions are estimated to be wrongful - either because of bad eye witness testimony. Junk science, overzealous prosecution, or the like. For those ppl innocence doesn’t matter

[@XGRIMYONEX]

So 6 innocent strangers who never met all came together to kill a old women they never met

[@algae_]

One of them was her niece

[@727Phoenix]

The Waddell Buddhist Temple Shooting resulting in nine deaths in 1991 stands out as one of the worst examples of coerced confessions. The "Tucson Four" were innocent men that had confessed to the murders. A newspaper columnist (forget his name) kept asking how the hell could anyone innocent be forced to confess to such an atrocity. (the two actual murderers were eventually caught) I would love for Dr. Grande to make a video on the subject of false confessions specifically ones forced by police. How they do it, why to innocent people give in and how we ourselves can resist caving if we ever found ourselves in that situation. _That_ would be an important video I would widely share.

[@GradyPhilpott]

I think that this video answers your questions pretty well. Some police lie to and play tricks on suspects in order to get them to confess to lesser crimes for fear that they will be convicted and punished for more serious crimes. It is a topic that could be examined more in my opinion.

[@rasputinara6477]

I 100% agree!

[@blacknosugarnocream]

The #1 way to avoid false confessions is to ask for a lawyer and invoke your right to remain silent. You DO NOT have to talk to police even if you are arrested. Let a lawyer handle it.

[@727Phoenix]

@@blacknosugarnocream I agree. But when an apathetic court-appointed attorney disregards facts & lack of evidence and urges their client to confess, we're back to the same problem. Also, my question amounts to the same thing: Even when a person knows their rights very well, how is it they can be persuaded to sign a false confession without requesting legal counsel? _This_ is where psychology is everything. I want to know how suspects are psychologically exploited _and_ what any of us in that situation should to to avoid giving in. It never ceases to amaze me how even good, mentally healthy, clear-thinking people can be persuaded to act against their own self-interest and to harm even the people they otherwise care about.

[@Dizastermaster.]

@@727Phoenix Because they know that their "rights" aren't true. They have to be fought for and defended. And if they don't think they have the ability to adequately defend those rights, they become scared, and fear breeds irrationality

[@royalmichaels1289]

People who brush false confessions under the rug don't seem to realize that you can literally be a perfect citizen just going about daily life and next thing you know you could be serving life for a crime you didn't commit, There is no discretion. Not only that but it leaves the actual perpetrator(s) among us in our communities and they would have no reason to stop their criminal behavior. Almost a free pass. When innocent people are interrogated harshly and over a long period of time, many of them seem to have a moment of doubt, if only for that one moment. When the interrogator leaves the room as part of a tactic, many take a moment to reflect out loud. They may replay their day or ponder if they could have been sleepwalking or somehow dont remember committing the crime. This is very interesting to me because i have seen it more than once. Of course they know they didn't commit the crime and come to that solid conclusion before officers ever re enter. Don't think it can't happen to you. Because of incidences like this, you never know. Definitely interesting. Thanks for another great video!

[@SuperToombs]

This is why it's important for everyone to understand...and I tell my kids this...if you ever get questioned say "I want a lawyer." End of interview. If they had enough to arrest they would..not interrogation

[@jennyknepper]

@@SuperToombs yep…my husband and I are attorneys and our kids have always been taught: 1) no consents to search w/o a warrant and 2) no interrogations without a lawyer. Period. It’s not an obstruction…If police need information from you to help solve a case and you’re innocent, you can work with your attorney to give them the information that they need without having to worry about being railroaded. Does it make you look a little guilty? Maybe. But not as much as a false confession would.

[@DenaDeniseRush]

Well stated, @Royal Michaels. And so true. The REAL killer is still on the loose in these cases. 🤦‍♀️

[@AMM3.]

I was questioned in relation to a murder- scariest experience ever, that's without being wrongly convicted

[@blkcat93]

The shade thrown on the police is really what I come here for! LoL.

[@masonjusticemoore4005]

love the recent looks into the underbelly of our profession. The whole idea of repressed memories is one of the darkest chapter the history of counseling/therapy. Great content doc - appreciated.

[@EyeLean5280]

And that dark chapter wreaked unbelievable havoc on my profession - teaching.

[@aarondavis8943]

Repressed memories, hypnotherapy, polygraphs and jailhouse informants: all junk. But this case goes way beyond incompetence and pseudoscience. This was a planetary alignment of stupid.

[@M123Xoxo]

@@aarondavis8943 I would add gender affirming exclusive therapy for children/teenagers suffering from body dysmorphia to the list. Future generations will look back in horror at children manipulated into disfiguring themselves permanently before they are old enough to understand the consequences.

[@MyDuckSaysFucc]

@@M123Xoxo my understanding is children with gender dysphoria do not get any permanent changes done to their body. puberty blockers are an option to delay puberty until they’re older, so they have more time to figure out what they want. I know that this disorder is difficult to deal with, and treatment options like hormone therapy aren’t for everyone. But to suggest no one should have treatment options is irresponsible, I’d rather have individuals live as trans than be dead from suicide. Maybe some people think they are trans but in the end decide otherwise, but many are trans through and through and need these treatments. Suicide rates for teens with gender dysphoria are extremely, extremely high.

[@mwebb3014]

My former SIL was told by her therapist that she had been sexually molested as a child but she could not remember anything of the sort. Her therapist told her she had deeply repressed those memories. I am glad to hear this is no longer something therapists tell people. Until this video, I thought repressed memories were actually tormenting people. Glad I watched this!

[@AMM3.]

"it's a murder party!! And YOU'RE invited, and YOU'RE invited, even YOU! Bring your own weapon! See you there!"

[@leylamoody3177]

What an incredibly sad case! Thank the Lord for that man who worked to free those that were innocent of this crime. Wonderful analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️

[@RationalGaze216]

I once read that of people exonerated with definitive proof, 25% confessed to the crime, with juveniles that number rises to 40%.

[@marthafrancisco8149]

All the more reason why you always automatically ask for an attorney.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

This is the most convoluted case I've ever heard of. If it wasn't so heinous it could be a dark comedy. You nailed it when you said the police handled the case like "Barney Fife." Lol They no doubt spent more time polishing their badges and bragging about their achievements rather than using critical thinking skills to professionally solve the case. The total lack of competence is astounding!

[@LittleMissLion]

I've been on a jury and I can't stand how this jury let this happen with such poor evidence.

[@brucejohnson9696]

Maybe the defendant in the trial on which you were a juror had an adequate defense, and/or fair, competent trial judge (?) In my over 40 years of courtroom experience, I've noticed a clear pattern of (usually) indigent defendants not have adequate, effective assistance of counsel. I've also noticed many prosecutors who seem to relish an easy "win", even though they surely know that the accused are not getting a fair trial. It's the Judge's duty to intervene in these instances. However, too many Judges are just a backboard for the prosecution. Even more appeal courts are just the fox guarding the chicken coop as they routinely just rubber stamp the lower trial court's convictions. Jurors shouldn't have to do the court authorities jobs for them. Yet, unfortunately, they very often have to do just that. Anybody serving on a jury should do online research on things like jury nullification and proper courtroom procedures.

[@blacknosugarnocream]

My son was on a grand jury in NY. After it was over he was disgusted at how quickly and mindlessly jurors voted to indict on incredibly weak evidence... and failed to question officers on contradictory statements.

[@tuppy]

Poor lady, what a brutal death. Disgusting.

[@ZYX84]

I so agree… I would like to think she didn’t know what was going on… Maybe the angels protected her on her way😔

[@eeyoresgirl55]

No justice in this case just a lot of victims. SMH

[@DMalltheway]

@@ZYX84 No angels protected her from being violently murdered

[@ZYX84]

@@DMalltheway How would you know unless you were there😐

[@DMalltheway]

@@ZYX84 If there were, wouldn’t she be alive and well to protect her?

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

There’s an excellent book about this case - “Failure of Justice” by John Ferak. Burt Searcey should have gone to prison for what he did.

[@larswhitt1549]

And prosecuter and judge....

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

@@larswhitt1549 - Yes. However, if. Or for Searcey, things might have gone differently.

[@HeatherHolt]

Absolutely. Knowingly and willingly putting innocent people behind bars you should get what THEY got. Like when a woman falsely says a man raped her she should get whatever time HE would have received. False reports of children abused by a parent bc the other one wants custody, same. That’s happened in my own family w a very selfish family member who wanted the other parent out of the picture. No evidence and obvious the child was coached and they still took custody completely away yet they still had to pay child support. When you see it from the inside like that, it’s even scarier how easy it is to literally ruin someone’s life. Bc no matter if you’re exonerated, there will ALWAYS be people who believe you’re guilty.

[@Orneryone]

The Shrink should also be in prison.

[@aarondavis8943]

I don't believe the police or prosecutors thought the people they were sending to jail were guilty. I think they knew they were innocent and didn't care.

[@Hermit_mouse]

I wonder if the day will ever come when the American justice system will become concerned with finding the truth.

[@justinwatson1510]

Not until we take control from the rich people who have bought our government.

[@troy3456789]

The US justice system is not perfect, but it is among the very best in the world. Our prisons are mainly full of violent guilty people, many of whom say that if they are let out they will kill again.

[@malachiwhite356]

Wonderful comment, since we know that the American system of jurisprudence has long, long been known to be the worst-functioning and least objective of any in the history of the world.

[@troy3456789]

@@malachiwhite356 You got me good.

[@Hermit_mouse]

@@malachiwhite356 As long as “winning” cases increases pay and reputation this system of competition rather than objective truth will always prevail.

[@schrodingersgat4344]

On the topic of "repressed memories": I have a theory. Reports of alien abduction really took off in the 1950's/ early 60's The similarities in most accounts are as follows.1. Brightly lit ,sterile room. 2. Subject unable to move or articulate themselves. 3."Beings" with no visible mouth or ears*, large "eyes" and hairless heads... speaking an unfamiliar language and bearing a grey/green appearance. If I asked you to describe an operating room from the perspective of a child being born... ...what would you describe? *Some with small ears

[@margiewinslow872]

Yes! That is how I remember my tonsillectomy at age 5.

[@schrodingersgat4344]

This occurred to me years ago. Watching reruns of Quincy.

[@malachiwhite356]

Cool observation!

[@blacknosugarnocream]

Very interesting.

[@schrodingersgat4344]

@@somethingelse4424 Cute. No. Skull caps and eyewear are rather common. A "recovered" memory" is an impression, not a precise recollection. The brain fills in the blanks and smooths the edges.

[@kristipatterson9952]

Thanks, Dr. Grande. It always gives me such a huge pit in my stomach when I find out innocent people are incarcerated due to law enforcement's lies, laziness and/or malfeasance It's just so incredibly sad. Happy Friday. I hope you and everyone watching this video has a lovely weekend and Happy Mother's Day!!! 💗

[@andymelendez9757]

My Mom was a friend of Helen. She would have been heartbroken by this had she not passed away at age 52. Dr.Price had his practice next door to the house we rented. It’s amazing how 40 some miles can make all the difference in Medical and Psychological expertise. I know firsthand. Nebraskas a strange place. Mostly good people but some very bad apples In the bunch. At 65 yrs of age,I’m still trying to sort it all out with a counselor. Thanks for covering this story. It should become text book material for a wide range of professionals!

[@mkim4091]

So, Beatrice is like a town straight out of a Stephen King novel?

[@bluegreenglue6565]

Never heard of this case before today. The only word I can think of {that I dare say in a public forum] is "Outrageous!!"

[@brucejohnson9696]

This isn't the first time bogus "repressed memories" have sent an innocent person to prison. I didn't see the movie about the whack job daughter who sent her own father to prison for life when she magically "recalled" him having killed her childhood friend. Always delightful to see your tax dollars being wasted on such lunacy, along with the cost of stealing innocent people's lives with imprisonment and then multi-million dollar lawsuits.

[@malachiwhite356]

@@user-rw6ui5nv5i Can you recall every moment of your life with any amount of trying? Silly comparison.

[@brucejohnson9696]

@@user-rw6ui5nv5i I can clearly and accurately remember events from a very young age with no gaps. If I eyewitnessed my father murder my childhood best friend with a rock when I was 9 years old, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to forget that even if I wanted to. I think the movie was called "Buried"(?) The daughter's "recovered memory" was likely tainted by having undergone hypnosis. She probably committed perjury when she denied having been hypnotized. Most states have laws that do not allow witnesses who have been hypnotized about the event to testify, as it may cause unreliable "memories".

[@kla631]

"Repressed" memories began the "Satanic Panic" of the 80s well into the 90s. Many false accusations of satanic child abuse occurred, one well known was a daycare center.

[@urmamasmamasmama]

@@brucejohnson9696 alot of ppl don't have the ability to remember childhood let alone last month clearly. Especially ppl with trauma

[@davel7014]

This happens alot. There are thousands of cases where women claim a father abused his daughter during a divorce. Then she gets a "therapist" to prove it through repressed memories. These children are vulnerable and easily manipulated into believing something happened, because the "therapist" convinces them of it.

[@Counselor_Nicky]

"Was it some kind of murder party?" haha, I love your work, thank you so much for all you teach me! I specifically look for "bad therapist/good therapist" videos from you so I refresh my mind on what not to do/what to do when I get my license to practice mental health counseling (hopefully next year). I look up to you! Thank you again!

[@daveatkins3568]

How sick do you have to be to do that, or even want to do that, to an old lady. So unfair. What an animal.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Such a complex set of facts in this story. I love the way Grande breaks it down and works through it.

[@stephanied6711]

This is what makes me so angry about our justice system

[@ck9436]

Hey Dr. Grande , this isn't related to this video but you've always said put our suggestions for future shows in the comments. Could you analyze the phenomenon of the massive popularity of "pimple popping " videos that are on social media and on TV (Dr. Pimple Popper). Why do some people get so much satisfaction watching these videos and other people are totally disgusted by them? Do you think it comes down to different personality traits? There was a study done in 2021 that used fMRI while people watched pimple popping videos and there were very distinct areas of activation in the brain of people who enjoyed the videos and for people who did not enjoy watching them there was deactivation in parts of the brain. I know it's a weird topic, but kind of fascinating too!

[@pauliewogmastercertifiedli535]

I find so frightening that at any point you can be arrested and falsely accused of something and end up in prison. And go through the horrors that happen in prison to inmates. DNA testing has proven countless people were falsely arrested.

[@btetschner]

My sister and her second husband live in Beatrice, and the way they tell the story is consistent with how you mentioned the locals are telling it. I did refer this channel to her, there is a chance she has watched this video. Very interesting and helpful, thank you so much for making this video. It's a real shocker after hearing them tell their version of the story for so many years!

[@enigmag9538]

Hi Dr. Grande. I just want to let you know that your videos are the reason I can get through my overnight shifts.

[@renee1961]

My Deepest Sympathy to her Family 💔💔💔💔

[@walterreeves3679]

Thank you for this. People need to be aware that such gross malfeasance and negligence can and does occur.

[@prettysloth]

Thank you for this video, you are so well-spoken and logical. This was a tragic, baffling case. Six people imprisoned on "heresay" and 0 physical evidence. I do not believe the six were ever present in the apartment.

[@Kash_Munni]

Hard not to believe them when they said over and over and over they were in the apartment.

[@amb5176]

Excellent video you are wonderful. I love how you exploded the pseudoscience of polygraph tests, repressed memories and the idea that false confessions must be rare

[@tron.44]

Hey, Dr. G! You're the man I can depend on to inform me on cases I'd never know about otherwise. Kudos!

[@simonroper4713]

You know Todd how sometimes just a familiar voice is enough to sooth a tired heart ❤️ thanks for you x

[@DowntownTasty]

False confessions are NOT rare. When I was a kid a police officer got me to falsely confess to something I didn’t do. Granted it was something small. But he basically threatened me. I wound up not having to do anything tho cuz he wanted me to write an “apology letter” which I never did. I realize now that those apology letters are: written, signed confessions.

[@STR82DVD]

Thanks Doc, great critique as always and quite a different case than your usual closet full of horrors. Mid-spring in Ottawa finally and the scootering is fine. Thanks again for the content my rational American friend.

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

I like the analysis on this case, but I also like "the usual closet full of horrors" 😀 😂 😂 (I love how you phrase that !!!) 😂 👍

[@STR82DVD]

@@anonymousstrangeness7348 Thanks😉

[@STR82DVD]

@@somethingelse4424 I don't see any impediment to describing you as a rational American right now. 🙌

[@JDoe001]

Hi, Dr Grande! Hoping your evening is happy Friday Eve! 😊 Btw: well said! The clown-car imagery was spot on, and hilarious. 😆 Thank you for adding to our critical thinking skills. 🙏🏻

[@lesleycohen5116]

That colour shirt is the bomb. Looking slick, Dr. G.

[@HALee-]

It brings out the Peach in his Peaches and Cream complexion!

[@bthomson]

🍑🍶

[@danethanor]

This is why a nonjudgmental unemotional calculated mind of a computer would make a better judge/juror. Only the facts with no bias on how one looks, the way they talk and their reactions/emotions. Wouldn't be perfect but would come close, I think.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Your analysis was way more intriguing than a homicidal clown car.😁 Thank you for the review of such an interesting case, I hope you have a great weekend ahead.❤️ On another note, I am dying to know what are your thoughts on the AH testimony.😉

[@coweatsman]

The reality of police on the job and the heroic police officers on TV programs, 100% correct, 100% honest, 100% thorough, never making mistakes, is like chalk and cheese.

[@michelefizer2774]

Thank you, as always, Dr. Grande. I hope you and your family have a wonderful weekend 😊

[@doctorshell7118]

Ah yes, repressed memories. A holdover from the most recent Satanic Panic… It’s baffling how people believe a confession but don’t believe when someone says that they’re innocent.

[@DeadManSinging1]

Well, the problem is that EVERYBODY says they're innocent, so that makes it different. But sometimes, it should be obvious

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Dr. Grande might be interested in a crime from Phoenix/Scottsdale: Dwight Jones. Many years after a contentious divorce in a spree he murdered two paralegals, a psychiatrist and psychologist, and a couple who had refused to lend him money. He had battered his wife, a physician, during the marriage, but was awarded $6,000.00 monthly in spousal support, as well as a share of the marital assets. Interesting case.

[@gregevans6044]

The channel, "Thatchapter" does a great job with that one. Doesn't have Dr G-type analysis, but covers it pretty well. Yeah, that case was chilling.

[@starbright1256]

ohh gonna have to check that chapter out. I'm a subscriber to that channel & it's a great one! yes Dr. g take on it be good too. all Dr. g does is fabulous too.

[@yellowjacket5995]

Dw-aight Lamarcus Jones (African American, black, non-white) was the perpetrator.

[@yellowjacket5995]

@@somethingelse4424 "Do you post this kind of trash everywhere you go?" Yeah, how'd you know?

[@DowntownTasty]

I literally clicked on this and it says posted 22 seconds ago. It’s my bday and I get a dr grande video? Perfect. Long time viewer here doc. Glad you got the success you have now on here. You’ve earned it

[@rtyria]

Happy Birthday !

[@bthomson]

Happy Bday! 🍰🎂🎁

[@ledisquetel4151]

Happy Birthday!!🎉🎊🎁

[@sorrelbee113]

Happy Birthday!

[@pierre6625]

Hello Dr. Grande, again it seems like the police did a very poor job with this murder case. It kind of looks like another cover-up. Sad to see how easily one can be accused with little evidence. You present your videos with so much knowledge. Love to follow you. Best Regards ..❤👍........

[@chrisnanopoulos9905]

Unbelievable!! Joseph White has to be the unluckiest man that ever lived. So sad and definitely unfair.

[@kellykane7586]

It's really sad and alarming how common this kind of thing actually is, like well first let's remember that labs make mistakes ALL the time! Now most of these mistakes occur in much less serious situations and many of them aren't even accounted for because the person claiming that a mistake has been made isn't believed (ex. dug addicts, convicts etc). Another f***ed up thing about our judiciary system is that lots of times, defendants have to make decisions based on probabilities... like they're in a casino. I don't know how to fix our system but there's a lot going on that just isn't condusive to seeking the truth or justice.

[@christopherbrochu7492]

These weren't the sort of ordinary "lab mistakes" that can happen anywhere. The testing was done by one Joyce Gilchrist in Oklahoma City. Her incompetence and dishonesty led to multiple wrongful convictions.

[@artistphilb]

Shows how important it is for the Lab to be competent too

[@110311DONTWANTCHANNE]

REPRESSED MEMORIES ARE REAL. sure they can be implanted, but that doesn't mean they all are. I was almost murdered when I was 10. I barely escaped. I was held under what until I played dead and he let me go. I was barely conscious as I got to the surface. I knew I couldn't tell anyone....they would just get mad....that afternoon, playing volleyball, the memory was gone.....it started coming back a few years later when I was 13. It was a long process. It came back on its own. When I was able to research repressed memory as an adult....the process matched how the experts claim it goes. During the time the memory was repressed, i really struggled. I wouldn't go to school, didn't take care of myself....planned on dropping out as soon as I turned 16....but all that changed as the memory returned...

[@mrnoone4567]

Meanwhile in an alternate universe... "Just a reminder I AM DIAGNOSING them in this video NOT SPECULATING on a situation like this"

[@writerinrwanda]

Please could you analyse the case of Juliet Hulme and the events that led to the movie Heavenly Creatures? I think it's an interesting one because the perpetrators were quite young at the time, and I wonder how often young perpetrators grow up to be well-adjusted adults, as it appears in her case, compared to those who don't, such as Jon Venables. What does it take for a child people label as 'evil' to become a seemingly happy, functioning member of society? What does society have to do for that to happen, and what has to happen in an individual’s psyche?

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

What about the incompetence of the defendants attorneys?

[@paulohlsson27]

Hi Ragdoll, how's your day going with you?

[@cinemathequerouge317]

As a proud graduate of the Barney Fife Law Enforcement Academy, I am offended by your statements. Outrageous! Doc, could you do a video on Jessica Krug, the White Professor who posed as an afro Latina for her entire career?

[@renee1961]

I feel so Bad for Helen's Sister!🙏💔🙏💔🙏💔

[@angelastermer8501]

“Homicidal clown car” aka Juggalo Jeep.

[@Panwere36]

And this is the reason why false allegations also need to be punished severely as well.

[@lnc-to4ku]

Life has been a bit like a runaway train lately, so a group of us made a promise to remove any form of social media from our lives for awhile. I have to say your channel is the one I've been missing the most! I'm glad I have several of your videos to catch up on now. :) ♡♡ What a horrid string of incompetence demonstrated in this case!

[@gregrice1354]

I've commented on this Beatrice 6 analysis by you elsewhere on comments, but Ihave unrelated question for you Dr. Grande. Do you think 15 questions could be useful in helping build rapport and establish communication while meeting new people in dating situations? Such as "The Colbert Questionnaire"? Best sandwich? What's one thing you own that you really should throw out? What is the scariest animal? Apples or oranges? Have you ever asked someone for their autograph? What do you think happens when we die? Favorite action movie? Favorite smell? Least favorite smell? Exercise: worth it? Flat or sparkling? Most used app on your phone? You get one song to listen to for the rest of your life: what is it? What number am I thinking of? Describe the rest of your life in 5 words? (I guess they may be just a little different, but I just realized that Psychologists and Therapists must use their form of time-limited, abbreviated questioning to establish familiarity and rapport with clients and potential clients.)

[@sharonwilfong503]

I hate how it's the tax payer that pays for the crime of government employees. Those policemen should have gone to jail.

[@justinwatson1510]

Under capitalism, the government exists to protect the wealthy. If you want justice in the US, join a socialist or communist party.

[@justinwatson1510]

If you like to read, Manufacturing Consent, A People’s History of the United States, and Capital will change the way you see the world.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Or the settlement should have come out of their estate/pension. No paid retirement for bad actors!

[@samephraimshaversjr8864]

Dr Grande please continue your work. Also please help the detractors understand why you are in fact DR Grande, a licensed mental health counselor and that you are indeed qualified to do what you do. Thanks again for your work sir. 👍🏿

[@bthomson]

Sam - You told the truth! Thanks.

[@cinemathequerouge317]

Right! He could not diagnose me anytime!

[@wkgmathguy218]

Hear hear !

[@DowntownTasty]

Idk how any of these cops in good conscience can do these types of things. It just shows they care more about arrests and convictions and moving up the ranks than actual people. And I’m sure doing all this makes them feel like a “hero”

[@hopelessromantic3786]

And these are the people we're expected to call when we need help. Frightening.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Well, if you don’t think the life of a ‘crazy’, ‘criminal’, or ‘retarded’ person means much then you could probably justify it to yourself as doing society a favor anyway. Absolutely contemptible.

[@mrcliff3709]

I bet if they lost their pensions over it they would start caring

[@Kathie4]

This is my worst nightmare 😫 The cops just kept going & going & going with this "murder party" theory! It's so scary.

[@amiralions2681]

Thank you Dr. Grande for delivering a very powerful 17 minute 27 seconds.

[@carolynbogarsears3442]

I can't tell how funny your comments are to me, just know I love all of your analysis. I wish you could do analysis on me. I am bipolar. just really high and really lows

[@paulohlsson27]

Hi Carolyn, how's your day going with you?

[@luckytahlula6515]

Not only were the 6 innocent people that were convicted lives ruined so were their families. What a bunch of jerks those cops were. Hope they were fired without benefits.

[@invisiblemissx]

Thank you for this, Dr. Grande. These bad actors are *by far* the minority in the mental heath profession, but for those of us who have been harmed by unethical therapists, videos like this are validation that we're not alone. It took me a few days to mentally prepare to watch this one because it hits close to home. Early on in my dual therapeutic relationship with my counselor (who was still in his master's program at the time) he insisted, relentlessly, that I had 'repressed memories' of CSA that I was _almost certain_ never happened. Despite the harm that his 'therapy' caused me both mentally and emotionally, I didn't report him. I believed those errors were caused by an overzealous overconfidence due to his inexperience and lack of supervision. A decade later, now fully licensed for several years but having continued his unethical behavior without consequences, I can unfortunately also relate to the criminal justice system placing more trust in the 'expertise' of a licensed professional than the 'hard evidence' they had in a case (i.e. DNA, SWAT body cam footage, and digital forensic evidence such as, text messages, audio recordings, and emails) In our case however, it didn't lead to false convictions. It lead to a 41-year old man getting away with aggravated kidnapping, rape, and sodomy of a barely 18 year old, high school senior. She endured not only the physical exam but eight months of court proceedings before prosecutors suddenly and inexplicably decided to abandon her case. I had to _beg_ them to charge him with the misdemeanors that he eventually plead to. His plea didn't even include registering as a sex offender. Looking back now, it's truly astonishing how much trust and influence mental health professionals have in criminal cases. In our case, the licensed mental health counselor had a dual therapeutic relationship with myself, the victim, and more than likely, with the defendant. Even if he didn't have a theraputic relationship with the defendant, he had a close personal friendship with him for 7+ years. It has taken me almost 5 years (and countless hours of Dr. Grande videos) to realize that, at the time, my counselor's seemingly harmless request for us to 'minimize his exposure' allowed him to convince prosecutors to abandon the case _despite all the physical and digital evidence they had_ in order to prevent the victim and myself from testifying at trial. He knew we would keep his secrets when interviewed but perjury was out of the question. We'd be compelled to respond truthfully-- which would expose his long-running and extensive history of dual theraputic relationships. As a licensed mental health counselor with extensive narcissistic and psychopathic traits, who had managed to successfully gaslight clients and fly under the radar for almost two decades, he was never going to allow us to take the stand. There's no betrayal like having the counselor you've trusted with your most intimate insecurities, fears, and traumatic experiences turns against you. And then to have the justice system likewise ignore overwhelming evidence and abandon your case. Ironically, the only way to work through the trauma of that experience... is to rely on the same profession that betrayed you in the first place and to seek justice from the same system that failed you. It's been overwhelming to say the least. Nevertheless, we're persisting. Although this video hasn't drawn the same number of views as others, it means the world to me (and undoubtedly others) to hear a licensed PhD Counselor bring attention to these cases. It validates 'mentally ill' clients who are brave enough to come forward with (and in my case, provide digital evidence of) unethical behavior of licensed mental health professionals. Thank you again, Dr. Grande. 🙏💕

[@AABB-bm9kk]

The Osmonds: 🎵One Bad Therapist Don’t Spoil the Whole Bunch, Baby 🎵

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! I look forward to your analysis.

[@gregrice1354]

Do you suppose the lawyers, their firms, and associated contractors and employees, who have advanced university degrees - JD, PhD, and similar - accept employment from high paying corporate and private clients for legal representations, and continue to use non-science based "evidence" and/or "testimony" from expert witnesses - in fields like "polygraph" expertise - based on idea that juries and/or judges (who may be non-lawer "commissioners" or other people receiving judgeships by appointment as political favors) - because they believe lay juries and judges may still be swayed, toward desired court result? If this is the case, it only serves to support a negative view I have our US legal system being more self-serving, and based on court value of Rhetoric, over logic and reasoning from facts.

[@L2LB1970]

Excellent summary and analysis 🙌🏼 Now I can skip the HBO documentary 👍🏼🙏🏼 Unbelievably tragic.

[@jerrycoffey2234]

All this time and energy and planning to not hunt a killer.

[@dogrunnedogrunne7080]

I’d be interested in your views on the Netflix documentary The Keepers, about the unsolved murder of a Catholic nun, Catherine Cesnik in 1969.

[@blacknosugarnocream]

That was such a disappointing ending. Good documentary with a dissatisfying outcome.

[@gnlout7403]

Saw that. Imo, that poor woman's recovered memories were very questionable, although it seems she did actually suffer some kind of horrible abuse

[@btetschner]

I graduated from nursing school in Beatrice, Nebraska (Southeast Community College). I lived in a dormitory there (Hoover, which was demolished shortly after I graduated, is now Homestead Hall) for close to a year.

[@ZYX84]

Well hello Dr.Grande🌱

[@VideoSaySo]

Dr. G is on a roll! Tell us, Doctor, do you ever diagnose people (to yourself) in the comments section just by their comments or replies alone?

[@katesicle]

I’ll never get tired of you calling out “recovered memories”

[@tngirl79799]

Another great video! Can you please do an analysis on the case against Leticia Stauch, accused of killing her stepson Gannon? There's lots of crazy shenanigans she's pulled that I'd love to hear your thoughts on

[@sassycat6468]

Yeah! The stuffing tissues down her pants when the police wanted to send her for the s/a investigation was bonkers. All those different cars and taking her daughter along to get rid of the body..... in the brown suitcase that was the only thing "Eguardo" stole and all her attempts to play crazy, there's a lot there. RIP Gannon 💙😢

[@ramblinralph7609]

Seasoned criminals never falsely confess - most know not to talk to the police anyway. Similar case was that of the Norfolk Seven - seven Navy men confessed to a rape/murder in which they had no involvement. Believe that one was back in the 70s - PBS did an interesting piece on it.

[@danstewart2770]

Virtually anyone can be coerced into confessing to a crime they didn't commit. Coerced confessions are far from rare, they happen all the time.

[@kitnkabootles]

I think you would find research on police interrogation methods interesting. There is the common one that you are likely familiar with called the Reid method. It is known to be coercive and good at garnering confessions, but has a high false confession rate. There is another method called PEACE which is almost as effective at gaining confessions with a false confession rate of almost zero. Worth looking into. It is frustrating to me that when the Reid method works, like in the case of the Colonel Russell Williams interrogation, it is glorified to such an extent that police institutions can brush valid criticisms under the rug. Of note, 1 in 10 exonerations involve a false confession (DOI: 10.1177/2372732214548678)

[@eveapple4928]

Peace model is good, uk police use it - investigative and aimed at gaining an evidential account rather than interrogation based. Far less weight is placed on an admission (we don’t use the word confession) and if a suspect lies, the peace model almost ensures that the lie will be uncovered. If they tell the truth, they will give a consistent account. If they go no comment, police have to do what they should do anyway which is investigate and not rely on what a suspect says. The US obsession with suspect confessions is a bit baffling tbh

[@DirtyLifeLove]

When do the police and prosecutors get to be punish criminally? Unless there are consequences, the powers that be will keep doing what benefits them at the expense of others.

[@virginiaschaefer9693]

Interesting and excellent analysis.

[@michaelgreer9023]

"Beatrice Six as Odyssey of Consciousness": In English we are blessed with three words that help us understand moving from point A to point B: "voyage," "journey," and "travel." In Dr. Grande's wonderful exposition concerning the Beatrice Six we are stressed because it's not clear which of these terms is most relevant. For "voyage" what matters most is what is brought along with someone as they hit the road, luggage. For "journey" we focus on the temporal dimension: day to day process of moving or the periods of time as we move toward arrival. Then "travel" which connotes "travail" or struggle. The Latin term "trepalium" means "instruments used to torture some material fact." Under this reading "travel" doesn't mean what we associate with "travel agent," someone who provides an itinerary that is based on pleasure. I will stipulate that Dr. Grande uses the "travel" metaphor for this entire movement and as I point out the various details, you will understand how torture works: Beginning in 1985, Helen Wilson (68), a lonely widow in humble circumstances, Bruce Allen Smith (22) rapes and murders Helen; her body had been mutilated; plenty of forensic evidence but incompetent police work excludes Bruce, a career criminal and rapist; now we begin to focus on the Beatrice Six- Joann Taylor, Thomas Winslow, James Dean, Kathleen Gonzalez, Debra Shelden, and Joseph White. At this point, most readers will be "traveling" to a distant Shangri La Hotel for rest and comfort. This is cognitive overload, but active listeners, attempting to unravel the mysteries concealed in human ignorance will continue examining all the pieces. Taylor, White, and Winslow were arrested for the murder of Wilson. Shelden was a dim bulb but this didn't keep her from implicating herself into the narrative. (Warning to readers: don't implicate yourself in a narrative you don't approve of, even if true) James Dean now is under inspection. Finally we get to Gonzalez, a neighbor. White's attempt to make money in the pornography led to confessing he could identify a picture of an old woman as a "picture of an old woman." In Nebraska courtrooms honesty is not valued. It's too rude. Bruce, a sex maniac, rapist and AIDS victim died and left the tab to the Beatrice Six. Thanks for undergoing torture with me.

[@MakeItSo1111]

Yes! It’s that intriguing!

[@jasmincampbell8105]

I did jury duty once and I don't know who's more scary, the incompetent detectives or the prosecutors who take on these ridiculous cases🙄

[@MJFish]

Hey! You said Beatrice correctly! Nice!

[@chilenapromedioRU]

What a terrible case, the horrible crime, the real perpetrator getting away with it and 6 innocent people manipulated and threatened leading to 5 false confessions and 6 wrongful convictions! 7 people without justice!

[@loriethayermorse162]

"Homicidal Clown Car" sounds like a good name for a cover band from the late 1990's 😂😂

[@catwrangla9027]

And yet, people's own preconceived notions keep them from believing there is such a thing as false confessions. They don't have any critical thinking skills.

[@DeadManSinging1]

I find it very hard to believe anyone bought that these 6 people who were only tangibly related to each other conspired together to kill 1 old lady

[@christopherlehnert7071]

Dr Grand, this is your best one ever:) Your gentle sarcasm is enjoyable!

[@kelliearnold8498]

There’s the shirt I love. Amazing job Dr.Grande!!!

[@bonnieoconnor7]

THIS IS A GREAT PERSON THANK YOU

[@muchsunshine6037]

Interesting case. There are several, extremely frustrating things regarding this case. Not the least of which is Helen's family. They continue to blame the 6 for Helen's murder, even though they've been fully exonerated. Their new theory: the 6 showed up around midnight, and murdered Helen. They then sat around drinking coffee. They point to 6 dirty coffee cups in the kitchen sink as evidence of this. Burt Searcy is the police officer who without looking at the evidence, manipulated and coerced the confessions. He still stands by his detective work. And, Helen's family fully supports him. They all explain away the DNA, assuming Bruce Smith (the actual killer) must have come upon the scene, after Helen was murdered, and had sex with her dead body. This begs the question, what was the motive for the 6 to murder Helen? Searcy initially assumed it was a robbery gone bad. That is until they realized there was $1,300 in the apartment (some in Helen's purse, some in open view). They then assumed it must be a sexual crime. However, by their own admission, the DNA evidence exonerates the 6 of the rape. So what was their motive? It's illogical, yet they stand by it. Very frustrating indeed.

[@mkim4091]

It's like Helen's family is suffering from cognitive dissonance and so is half the town of Beatrice. If they convince themselves the 6 were there, then the 6 must be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I watched them talk about this on Mind Over Murder. I just finished the last episode last night. Gonzalez is right about Beatrice, it's like a town straight out of a Stephen King novel.