Can Gaslighting Lead to Legal Insanity? | Michael Barisone & Lauren Kanarek Case Analysis

[@corduroykumquat]

Always happy to see narcissists held accountable

[@elanahammer1076]

Exactly. Once a narcissist always a narcissist. 🤔❤🇺🇸

[@sandra2631]

Held accountable by a normal person's standards? Never. Since they are in a perpetual state of denial and living the lie, they never, ever admit wrongdoing and therefore, are never accountable for the evil they do.

[@LDiamondz]

Too bad she wasn't held legally responsible for any of her antics. The police should have taken this problem a lot more seriously.

[@LDiamondz]

@@sandra2631 Exactly! Always right, never the problem, causing mayhem in their wake. So destructive.

[@CynicalBastard]

@@sandra2631 People are [all] narcissistic on some level. Given the right [or rather, more like 'inappropriate'] circumstances, instances, happenstances, whatever, you'd be "narcissistic". It's when it is 'clinical' as in, it can classified as a disorder, that 'narcissism' takes on these "more than negative" traits [that is, not only pathological, but dangerous to themselves or society, by way of bodily harm].

[@danparish1344]

Narcissists really can gaslight you into a really unwell state. I think I’m still recovering years later.

[@Indy__isnt_it]

I hear ya loud and clear. 3 mos shy of 35 year union. It was never a marriage, which I consider more of a church ceremony. ALL these years later it's apparent, and the gaslighting over why he couldn't/wouldn't admit his lies. He never believed in the God we took our vows before. I have never felt so discarded or disregarded by another human. His traits, more than 5 of the 9 traits, maybe all? For his diagnosis. Above my pay grade and future knowledge of his cognitive decline and likely NPD. This is something that requires LEGAL ACTION FOR PROTECTION, A RESTRAINING ORDER? HARD TO enforce those. Although no kids, he has the dog we trained together to react to my 5 auto immune disorders disabilities and PTSD (he's now caused it to become complex c-ptsd) Sure, I'm divorcing him, but after he botched 6 years of therapy by talking to the psych behind my back, contradictory to all I was saying. I was the crazy, he was sane. According to his documents. While I did not sign a HIPAA release, it did not stop the Dr from hearing what he had to say about anything that took place, negatively. It was a 6 year nightmare that has taken a few more years getting the pieces back in order!.

[@Thang4321]

Yes. It took me years to reset my thought, my behaviors, my life post narcissistic relationship. It’s hard to believe there is a type of people that just enjoy damaging other people

[@whalesong999]

The recovery can take years. I'm still dealing with the damage after 40 years of having a life altering emotional crisis. Power to you.

[@BenState]

may be you're just crap

[@Thang4321]

@@tlmorris6399 good that you did not contact her. Narcissistic to me is beyond a mental health issue. Nothing you can do, no empathy, no love, no care, no couple therapy, nothing is enough to resolve her problems

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Gaslighting is probably the worst kind of manipulation. In my experience, I not only doubted myself but I really thought there was something fundamentally wrong with me. The damage is real and it can last for a very long time. It may take away our sanity, peace and motivation. Fantastic analysis as usual! Much appreciated, Dr. Grande.❤️

[@LDiamondz]

You are so right about this. In my experience, it took years to trust anyone afterwards. I didn't even trust myself to not fall into that trap again! It takes something away from you, in a way. It's difficult to find the right word for it. Trust, innocence, gun shy? Maybe all of these. 🙄

[@brunettelinds2811]

He didn't have the right to kill them or put her in a coma. they should have been held accountable for what they did but it's never okay to respond like that. She took two gunshots and was in life threatening critical condition and told she almost died and never woke up. You can't do that to someone even if they harass you

[@ralphcantrell3214]

I think the jury just wanted to send the message that, though shooting someone isn't acceptable, neither is incessantly pestering, goading, and threatening someone into doing it.

[@WanderingBat]

Jury nullification is the most powerful tool jury members have, but few know about it

[@anabaird3835]

Good msg to send!

[@nmartin5551]

I’d like to give about 10K thumbs ups. I had listened to this case on a pod cast. Damn near wrecked my car when I heard hat she had been banned from living with any member of her family. That told the world everything they needed to know. I so appreciated the jury not convincing him.

[@EricFullwood]

How exactly did they send the message that shooting someone "isn't acceptable"?

[@nmartin5551]

@@EricFullwood - personally, I didn’t see that as the message, but I really appreciated him not going to jail, even if it was not “just”.

[@joycemarie9702]

I wonder who Lauren is tormenting now? I hope Michael can recover and find some peace….he has been through enough.

[@smartasawhip7042]

She's still tormenting him on every social media outlet she can find!

[@chuckrobinson599]

He's a volunteer, not a victim, he's found one worse by now.

[@ohkage]

Hopefully someone that will finish the job next time.

[@jomo14]

@@smartasawhip7042 he can't read it right now, but I'm sure his legal team is getting it all for the civil trial.

[@joeyagirl]

@@smartasawhip7042 she DOES not stop 🛑 she continuously brags about herself, gloats that Michael is suffering, and starts trouble with everyone

[@Goldiegirl2009]

How is she not charged with anything?! So absurd. She had a history of this abuse. Corrupt cops in Jersey or just plain unwilling to do their job to help Michael when he called 911. I’d never heard of this case. Thanks Dr. Grande. I agree. He acted in self defense. Robert and Lauren were planning something that’s why they disconnected the security cameras.

[@lynnehuff9659]

Even reporting falsely to Child Protection Services is a crime.

[@jomo14]

@@lynnehuff9659 She put it through Safe Sport to avoid that issue.

[@lynnehuff9659]

@@jomo14 Oh thanks. I had to look that up.

[@somethingclever8916]

It's a rich white woman saying she's a victim. We tend to side with women in these cases. She comes across another amber heard.

[@glormoparch5154]

Getting shot twice seems like a good punishment IMHO 🤷‍♀️ never been shot but must be painful. Lots of manipulative people aren't as crazy or overt but never see any kind of prison despite similar behaviors.

[@maud2739]

Wow. This case reminds me of a similar experience from my life. I hosted an old friend from France and her two kids in my upstairs apartment. After the first couple of weeks, her narcissism took over and I got to experience firsthand the reason why her own family, her work, and her religious community back in France had all banned her. She had her manipulation and gaslighting turned up to 11. It was driving me crazy, and it destroyed my relationship with my BF, so I finally had to ask her to leave by a certain date. The only way I was able to get her out was to turn off the gas so it would be too cold to stay. The very next day, she and her kids were on my neighbor’s front porch. She made sure I knew my neighbor was now hosting her, which only lasted two weeks. Then she moved on to someone else’s house, and that lasted longer. Finally she went back to France. Phew! It was the most unpleasant experience I have ever had with another human being.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

LOL! Oh yeah! 'phew' alright. I particularly liked how you shut down the gas supply... effectively 'un-gaslighting' her.

[@octavohombre2]

So, you turned off the gas so that she could not gaslight you anymore'? What a great idea!

[@kathyglass2922]

@@skepticusmaximus184 Clever, right?

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@kathyglass2922 It's a masterful art, dealing with narcies'.

[@kathyglass2922]

@@skepticusmaximus184 It is at that. Only the strong of heart and quick witted can navigate their storm.

[@shawnnewell4541]

I watched that trial. She and the boyfriend destroyed that man. He was afraid of her even in the courtroom.

[@savetrump9120]

I saw some of the trial and she was horrible and so is her dad and boyfriend.

[@Daysleeper1000]

@@savetrump9120 they're pure evil. Sick.

[@glormoparch5154]

I was a little confused about how much she was doing all this alone- seems like case for self defense becomes much stronger if she really wasn't

[@josephinewahura4151]

Yes and the boyfriend was so puffed up.

[@vero9348]

He was suddenly not afraid of anything as soon as the trial ended lol the insanity trick almost never works, he had to throw a good façade to get away with it

[@Spindrifts]

My family experienced something similar with a guest family who refused to leave our country cottage. My parents had only permitted them to stay temporarily but the non-paying guests were impossible to get rid of. They didnt outright say they refused but they just made endless excuses year after year. My parents gifted them some acres of land & cleared the land for them but they still refused to leave. Finally, my father moved into the cottage & took the main bedroom upstairs. He thought that would make them leave but they shot him through the floor. He had to fight back and it became quite gruesome. Its unbelievable but some people do take advantage to a ridiculous extreme, and it’s not always obvious when they confuse their victims with lies.

[@janakakumara3836]

This happens a lot in my country. We hire a bunch of thugs. Wait for the family to leave the house. Break in. Dump all their shit on the road and then change the lock. Easy-peasy.

[@stephaniesamra7960]

My God. That’s just dreadful

[@Naptosis]

Gosh, your poor dad. I hope he's okay? Not just physically, but mentally.

[@Spindrifts]

@@Naptosis he needed surgeries & passed away shortly afterward from suicide caused by the stress of the ordeal. Unbelievably, my mother sold the property in installments to the adult son of the man who attacked my father. That family destroyed my father & got the property in the end.

[@Naptosis]

@@Spindrifts I'm so sorry. Your poor father. How were you after all this? It must have been literally maddening for you. I cannot imagine how you just have felt; betrayed, I guess.

[@mattpaul5441]

Came for the true crime. Stayed for the dry humor

[@gregevans6044]

And it's been fun watching Dr G get better and better.

[@JulieSkeltonUK]

This story was asking for it 🤣🤣🤣

[@kristenmarielle3497]

Here for this comment

[@annwethenorth]

Lol he should use that as a slogan. Love this comment ❤️

[@VReyesMusic]

Well said! I second this

[@cottontails9003]

That woman would drive anyone crazy. I feel the jury got it right . Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and topic.

[@LDiamondz]

Hey, lovely! ❤Good point. I think she definitely pushed this man way too far. Maybe he shot her in self defense or out of sheer exhaustion and mental distress. Either way, he probably never would have shot anyone, ever, had he not met this unstable horse dancer. Horse dancer! I laughed every time Dr.G said that! 🤣 Loved all the horse jokes, too. How are you today? 🥰 I read about your non-pg status. Are you OK with that? You know I just wish you the best of everything. You deserve it. You are the best! ~love & many hugs to you, Noah and your family~ ❤💙💛💚☘️☘️ 🌷🌷⚘️⚘️🌹🌹💐💐🌻🌻

[@annwethenorth]

It's a good feeling to know sometimes justice is served. ✌️

[@LDiamondz]

Hello CT! Can you read my other comment in here? It's the first one above 'anne we the north'' s comment. If not, it disappeared or no one can see my comments. Let me know, lovely. 🥺

[@brunettelinds2811]

He didn't have the right to kill them or put her in a coma. He knew what he was doing, he put on a show of having gone mad at the trial but it quickly went away once he was acquitted. She deserved to be held accountable for her mental and emotional abuse but not be shot

[@janakakumara3836]

Narcs that do this - provoking somebody and then immediately flipping to a victim when they retaliate - target two kinds of people - 1. people who are already very vulnerable and on edge or 2. people who are kind and decent and open hearted, whose sense of empathy will be used against them. Michael is of type 2, me thinks, so all the more, it is correct he was found not guilty. It is a shame it went to trial in the first place.

[@frogg1981]

Or both!

[@frankpaya690]

Like pissing on someone's foot but insisting it's raining. Or being a politician who was mentored by a klu Klux klansman but calling 74 million Americans "white" "supremacists" .

[@brunettelinds2811]

She didn't jump to calling herself a victim when he shot her in the head and put her in a coma. Of course that will go to trial. He knew what he was doing, he put on a show of having gone mad at the trial but it quickly went away once he was acquitted. she emotionally tormented him but she didn't deserve to be shot

[@kashinimeyo]

While horses do a lot of work in dressage, it does require physicality to perform the proper movements in dressage- for instance, something called posting the trot is a movement riders do that basically entails rhythmic squats in tempo with the horse’s gait. It actually requires core and leg strength with plenty of stamina. 1 hour of dressage burns 410 calories, roughly equivalent to jogging for an hour for most people. Anyone saying it’s not hard or physically taxing to perform dressage has never ridden a horse 😅

[@Missglam67]

Exactly! Dressage is like a total work out. Lots of isometrics and lower body movements. It may look like you aren’t working but you are!

[@kelliebell1284]

Posting the trot is basically doing squats but the ground is moving and you fall from 5' if you screw it up, lol

[@guatemarisa]

I teach beginner riding lessons, and after people get the initial instruction and I have them start walking the horse around on their own, I usually ask them: "so what do you think, is the horse doing all the work?" The answer is usually an emphatic "no!". Riding horses takes core strength, balance, coordination, and the ability to regulate your own energy and emotions to help communicate with the horse. It's equal parts gratifying, exhilerating, and terrifying sometimes!

[@Nickiechell]

Seriously. A bit disappointed in his take on it

[@KW-kr9gh]

Right. And horses don’t just dance on their own. 😅 It takes incredible training for horses and rider and to be able to communicate with each other with just a sound or a touch/movement.

[@gyptess4794]

I believe you set a new record for the number of jokes and innuendo in this video. It was wonderful!!!!

[@jumpinjohnnyruss]

I don't see the point.

[@wigtorqued11]

I love it! So much so, I wanna rewatch and count how many! Lol, just for s**ts and giggles! And for the person that commented "I don't get it" under your comment... then you don't get Dr. Grande so you may just want to consider kickin' rocks. I am just speculating and that is my opinion.

[@joankristinhaugan8660]

Dr. Grande, as usual, I LOVE your commentary. Might I add one thing this time: Dressage, or "dancing horses", as you call it, involves tremendous physical strength and talent. Yes, it looks easy, as does, say, springboard diving. But trust me...as a person who has dedicated decades to the sport, it is not easy. Thank you for the wonderful video. You did a marvelous job. It's just...dressage is a weird, esoteric sport. Few people understand what it takes. I look forward to your next video. I am a loyal and loving fan.

[@Leopardvixen369]

Yeah, I was a little surprised at his closed minded comments about dressage and riding It’s the hardest equestrian sport IMO. We trot a lot and that’s basically a squat every two seconds depending on our speed. You have to be athletic to ride. You need lots of endurance as well because it’s straight cardio for an hour lesson. It also takes leg strength and core strength to make it look easy. It burns 410 calories in an hour. Just like other sport. Remember how sore you were after your first few lessons? Every muscle was pulled. Your legs felt like spaghetti. I hate when people make ignorant comments about riding and dressage. He could have taken a few minutes to research it a bit. Google is your friend Dr. Grande.

[@notsobasicbecki658]

I agree. I think Michael took the pistol in order to protect himself in case the crazy lady went more crazy when he tried to make her leave the property. She did.....and he protected himself....as is his right. An example of a narcissistic person claiming victimhood when their nasty ways catch up with them.

[@northerngirl1637]

He called cops 3 times. Police should've been able to help Michael get her off of his property for good.

[@chachadodds5860]

@@northerngirl1637 The laws about such situations, are different in every state. For instance, in Maine, it's nearly impossible to make someone leave your home through legal means, even if they started off as an overnight visitor; the law refuses to get involved. I've no idea what NJ laws are, but let this be a warning to all good-hearted people. No Good deed goes unpunished.

[@lisaa.4667]

It looks like he was beaten up and he was confronting a man and a she-beast, so I would've thought of that if I were a juror. If she'd been "shot in the heart", she'd have been unable to inform the dispatcher over the phone, due to death.

[@LDiamondz]

@@chachadodds5860 Yes, the laws are very similar in NJ. It's extremely difficult to evict someone staying with you OR renting an apartment from you. It can take a year or more. I don't think this man even started a legal eviction against them, though, in this case. He should have.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@LDiamondz My gosh. In my state, if a person is residing in your primary dwelling -- for example, in a house divided into two apartments and you occupy one of them -- it is very easy to evict that person. Most of the major legal protections simply don't apply in that case. If the landlord owns an apartment building as an investment and does not live there, or if he has more than a certain number of units (say 8 or 10) and lives in one of them, then the various tenants' rights ordinances and statutes apply. Eviction can still take place within three to six months, at most. It almost never takes a year to evict anyone who has breached their lease. There would have to be some special circumstance to prevent it. If someone can stay with you after you've asked them to leave your own residence, then how do you own your residence? You don't.

[@groominator-magneticequato7195]

Gaslighting and harassment can change a person forever. My ex whom I had twins w/ gaslit me for years. The emotional abuse & ensuing rages leave scars. When I got him out of the house, he turned on our kids and punished me through them. It’s 5 years later and he still harasses and tries to control me. He moved to france and lives off the state avoid child support. I won’t go to court b/c he’d return here in anger, and likely w/ violence in mind. This woman is the same - she would have never stopped, and the longer it went on, the more damage she’d do, all the while believing she was a victim. It’s sick af.

[@Indy__isnt_it]

I believe, after living through a separation, no plans to return, it just took me this much time to gather the strength in the (and in him the timing had to be in his "best interests?" Whatever that means. As much as I knew, his ment as lly abusive treatment would never stop, the day I filed all the paperwork/I formation to the law team I hired. I cried despite knowing staying would turn more and more harmful amid the toxic environment we form, it's scary when he sets himself up for rage. If I am antagonizing him, in the very beginning I did, relentlessly, I was so angry for destroying our 35 year marriage, in just 3 months. RIGHT mindset to continue forward is crucial. As we evolve through this, his toddler good is shining bright. It's the reversal of mindset that has turned devious, not harmful per sé, but when he hides something on me, I have no choice but to look for it. Up to 6 hours usually at night time when things are discovered. I shut him down when he starts, it is my only way of survival through this. One final signature and I go off HIS grid

[@Thang4321]

Agree. There is something very sick in their heads that they have to ruin people who have different opinions. My ex was similar to this, pushing boundaries and never stop. This woman really deserves what happened. Hopefully she learnt from this

[@u-neekusername4430]

@@Thang4321 NOPE, they don't learn, that's why they are the way they are...no treatment for narcissists - & why would they "there's nothing wrong with them...everyone else is the problem". She just has fuel for pity & manipulation of her next victim/s.

[@brunettelinds2811]

She didn't jump to calling herself a victim when he shot her and put her in a coma. Of course that will go to trial. He didn't have the right to shoot her

[@sharonsmalls6846]

@@brunettelinds2811 That's your opinion. The jury didn't agree with you. People commenting on this thread do not agree with you. Your assessment is wrong.

[@mortalclown3812]

Perhaps my favorite of your videos. There are too many people like Lauren who wreak havoc in the lives of others. In this case, she was lucky, but I still hope karma finds her. I especially pray that Michael regains his mental and physical health soon. Thank you, Dr. Grande.

[@joeyagirl]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@JDogggg69]

She should be thanking Michael for not finishing her off. If it was someone else, she'd get a 9mm facelift.

[@Nutmeg142]

It’s not training them how to dance. The moves originated in training them for war. It looks like dancing to the untrained eye, but the moves are very difficult for any rider or horse to get to that level. Not all are talented enough. And if you are not physically fit it is extremely difficult to stay on a horse with the movements these horses can do. Think of sitting on an exercise ball raised off that ground that moves around and has a mind of its own. You have to keep your core, legs, arms, and head moving all independent of each other all while remembering to breathe.

[@ricksandoval7130]

Awesome bit of insight on history. Thanks

[@hannahcohen1861]

Dr Grande “the horses do all the work” .. if it’s soo easy why don’t you show us all how it’s done! 😂😂are you seriously too pretentious and ignorant to try to gain a bit of knowledge about a bona fide Olympic sport, that’s been a Olympic sport for over a century..?? As if equestrians would be recognized and celebrated as elite athletes (like anyone participating in any other Olympic discipline..) if they were not actually fully deserving of such..? I really want to watch/like your videos because I appreciate the subject matter you cover but you are such a total douche I can’t bring myself to listen to you

[@HellaQuinn]

That’s cool AF

[@mariusvanc]

Yeah, I forget to breathe sometimes, I think that's my big problem.

[@davidbrienlantry8760]

Challenge: Re-watch this video with a group of friends and the cocktail of your choosing. Every time Dr. Grande makes a horse pun, take a drink. The person who can clearly state, "I am not diagnosing anybody in this video, only speculating what could be happening in a situation like this!" at the end of the video, wins! Great way to put the fun in dysfunctional! Another great analysis Dr. Grande!

[@wigtorqued11]

Yessssss!!

[@marknaylor9394]

brilliant!!!

[@sentwithecho]

Anyone who has suffered psychological abuse will more often than not say that it is far more damaging than physical abuse and that the scars do not heal as fast. Glad to hear of the outcome

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi Dr. Grande. He was protecting himself from psychonarc. Women like her only care about their own personal life. They have no empathy or self control of any kind other than feeling superior to everyone else. God handles people like her. He sends them to hell. I hope the best for her future targets of abuse that they get far away from her toxic witch personality. Peace Dr. Grande & have a pleasant evening. Great analysis as well, love, Janine Smiley🙂😀😍😎😉🆒️💯❗❕🙏

[@joeyagirl]

@@janinemccartha1811 oh she is horrible. When she finds someone she can victimize she stops at nothing. She says and does the most disgusting things. Lauren is NO VICTIM, she never will be. She is a narcissist, she is just TOXIC to no end

[@Abuosmanli]

Ok sure they say that but they’re victims of psychological abuse so they think they’re going through hell but how the hell do they know it’s worse than physical abuse if they’re not victims of physical abuse? Of course someone will think the abuse they’ve endured is horrible. You are actually a pretty shitty person honestly for sitting there and claiming victims of physical abuse that can kill them is less serious than being verbally abused Your comment literally has not benefit or helps no one all it does is make your low level abuse seem worse than it was. You should be embarrassed and stop being such a narcissist victim with a superiority complex and have some empathy and care doe others

[@brunettelinds2811]

@@janinemccartha1811 She's immature and her intent was to pester and annoy. She didn't commit the other heinous crimes on here. She didn't do it because she felt superior, he was an asshole to her when she moved there and paid $5k a month to live there and take lessons. he cast her off to other trainers once he decided she didn't have the talent or capability. that's not what a teacher does. He let her there and she wouldn't leave because she still wanted to board her horses but the conflict never would have started had he carried through with his end of the deal, how hard is that really for $5k a month? She's not a heinous criminal and didn't deserve to be shot

[@kclevinger1]

I love your videos and case analyses in general. As a former dressage rider, I wanted to chime in and let you know what demanding physical work riding dressage actually is. It takes tremendous control, body awareness and independence of body parts, and also strength, particularly of the core muscles. Is it a sport? I say yes.❤

[@ginger_nspice]

As someone who has never heard of the sport, I'm fascinated!

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

I've seen it when i watched the Olympics. It looks neat, but do the horses enjoy it, or is it hard on the horse? If the horse enjoys it, cool!

[@carsibley1]

@@kimberlygabaldon3260 Trainedcarefully and thoughtfully I think a lot of them do enjoy it - mine does - totally likes to show off his fancy moves if anyone is watching

[@CharvonR]

Great description of the SPORT .

[@kclevinger1]

@@kimberlygabaldon3260 The most important part of any type of equestrian endeavor for me is the actual relationship/ emotional connection between myself and the horse. I have always gone out of my way to show kindness, affection, respect, deep gratitude, and love to them. To answer your question, yes, they do seem to enjoy it. If they didn't, I couldn't enjoy it either.

[@whalesong999]

17:45 onwards so very pertinent to vulnerabilities that are hidden. A person who was raised by a narcissist parent is already compromised to a degree that if something stresses them too much, they are thrown into an untenable state of pain and confusion. I can relate to Michael's disturbance and glad his case was seen clearly for its best outcome.

[@dawnschaeffer5728]

Thank you so much for covering this case. I watched the trial and think that Michael's fear was palpable. He Has already lost so much because of the spoiled princess. Prayers for him to be able to enjoy his horses again.

[@Kari.F.]

I couldn't agree with you more if I tried, Dr Grande! A narcissist of that magnitude can drive anyone completely out of their mind for a moment. I don't think Michael's mental health is much of an issue at all now that he has gotten rid of the plague that brought him to this point. I would have been in distress during the trial, too, if I were him. The prospect and possibly of going to jail for years because of what these horrible people drove him to do must have caused a great deal of anxiety throughout the trial. I'm glad he didn't end up killing anyone. That's quite a burden to live with no matter how justified it may have been. (At least it would be for me.)

[@conniemeikle6099]

Yes, Ms.Kari...YES!!! I wholeheartedly agree!!! What an evil and vile woman!!! She wanted war...and she got "shot" in battle. I felt compassion for Michael...he was the victim!!!

[@cherylroberts771]

Myron May and mind control.. Targeted individuals are gaslighted.. We are misdiagnosed and online it's says there's no such thing as voice to skull or illegal microchipping or microwave auditory effect.. that is gaslighting!!.. or it's just straight up medical negligence and professional negligence on behalf of our law enforcement...

[@xminusone1]

He feels the same. When someone taunts you, refuse to leave and you call 911 twice and they do nothing about it, than it's on them.

[@princesstiarra8071]

Betty Broderick same thing happened to her.

[@Kari.F.]

@@princesstiarra8071 That's comparing apples and potatoes. Her ex husband didn't refuse to move out of HER house, and make it necessary for her to move out. She didn't fear for her life either. He left her for another woman, and that is what caused her to lose her mind. She was a woman scorn and completely obsessed with it. Her kids couldn't make her stop raging and screaming profanities to and about their father, no matter how much they cried and begged her. Her rage was more important to her than the wellbeing of her own children. She later blamed HIM for the parental alienation she suffered by acting the way SHE did in the presence of her kids. The fact of the Broderick case is that she snuck into her ex husband's home and killed him and his wife in their sleep. That is not someone who has been pushed into a situation where she lost her mind in the heat and threat of the moment. That is what people do when they want revenge at any cost, even if they have to destroy their own lives and irreparably hurt their own children to get it. Those people are usually narcissists. Betty's behavior, and the way she talked both during and after her trial, had ALL the signs of a narcissism. Narcissism is a permanent personality disorder, not a temporary moment of insanity. I doubt that wanted out of the marriage because Betty was such a reasonable and easy person to deal with. I think falling in love with someone else gave him the courage and support he needed to do what he had wanted to do for a long time.

[@STR82DVD]

What a horror of a human being. How does she live with herself? Thanks Doc. Astute is always.

[@Badtown1988]

Shame is not a quality everyone possesses.

[@STR82DVD]

@@Badtown1988 That's a shame.

[@angelapitts2123]

A narcissist will never admit anything even with evidence right in front of their face

[@EricaFDP]

Excellent, so entertaining, the ending was just terrific. Thank you for horsing around with us today, Dr. G! Love from Ohio!

[@wigtorqued11]

Perfect! Very quick and witty, Erica! I love it!

[@smartasawhip7042]

Wow! What a super great analysis of a nightmare situation! 👏 Thank you for your objectivity! Be prepared for Lauren to post her rebuttal!

[@alb5801]

😂😂😂😂. I think he can handle it!

[@Shellyshocked]

I've seen her posting in other videos trying her best to defend her crazy self, lol. I'm glad she didn't die. I hope she sees the thousands of comments defending Michael and not her.

[@hellohsaytin6813]

This case makes me think of the people who say "What are you going to do when you need the police someday?" The police wont do anything.

[@karenbrown6348]

Exactly. Never have they been helpful to me but they love to harass homeless people

[@somethingclever8916]

Lauren was a rich white woman who pretended to be the victim. Look how people believed (and still believe) amber heard.

[@fardrives]

Cops are bound by a shitty legal system, not sure what they could have done, or what you would have preferred? If they go by the book then nothing helpful in the field is produced, they go off the book and people scream "ABUSE OF POWER", not sure if someone who hates cops can be convinced of anything other than "cops bad". Lauren wasn't doing anything illegal in front of them and it was all pretty much just "he said she said" verbal abuse at the point for when they showed up, so it's obviously a common run in for the police where nothing really can be produced legally.

[@thedipsomaniax]

Thanks for this analysis and your unique humour, Dr. Grande, and for not mentioning neigh-bourly dispositions and whinnying propositions.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

"It's always suspicious when somebody has a chance to leave New Jersey and they don't take it." Lol I thought it was funny! I lived in NYC for 5 years and rather liked it:-) I think Lauren is a nutcase that made Michael and Mary's lives a living nightmare but, committing attempted murder is never the solution. Michael may have snapped and rationalized "it's either her or me" and being falsely accused of child abuse didn't help. It was no doubt the catalyst that sent him over the edge.

[@melgonz.6962]

I laughed so hard man. I don't even know anything about New Jersey, but the way he said it 💀

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@@melgonz.6962 Lol. I thought it was funny too! Even though I lived in NYC for 5 years, for some reason I never explored New Jersey. Now I wish I had:-) A lot of New Yorker's seem to love Don Pepino's pizza sauce made in New Jersey. It's not bad. (available on Amazon) There is a freshness to the tomatoes but I still prefer to make my own Italian sauces:-) So at least New Jersey can claim fame to Don Pepino's. Lol

[@joanalorenzo6949]

She drove him crazy. That woman seems annoying. I saw the documentary and I fell so bad for michael. He seems to be loved by everyone and was just living his best life. That woman seem to mess up everything she touches.

[@veep5712]

Why didn't she just leave? If she isn't happy there? Of course she could have been provoked too. Someone triangulating.. The puns.. omg

[@veep5712]

There was no need to shoot this lady. That is why he is in jail. There was no need to take a gun. Why didn't he cal the Sheriff to Serve a Quit? I don't know either. But this is fishy and it appears someone provoked both of them. Maybe someone gave gossip to this lady that Michael was a sex offender or something, and were using her to create drama.

[@llkellenba]

That’s exactly what narcissistic personalities do … they live to watch the destruction they wreak with a perverse sadistic satisfaction. It’s a form of torture. One they enjoy and will not leave despite acting like they’re unhappy. Which they are but zero insight or empathy into how they ruin everything.

[@icturner23]

She thought it was just a two-horse race in which she could nag him till she broke him. However, she ought to have reined in her narcissism as all she has achieved is that everyone now knows to steer well clear of her. What a ‘mare.

[@shawngarber8155]

Your humor saved me during the telling of this case.the wrong person went to the nut house and the police should be ashamed of themselves.

[@hightimecrime]

8 minutes in and really enjoying the video. Great analysis as usual Dr. G

[@dicsord-server]

I sincerely appreciate how much effort it must have taken for you to say the words *horse dancing* without literally cringing.

[@Watcher6868]

Amazing PUN Dr. Grandé. The unencumbered reservoir of knowledge, metaphors, proverbs and other skills you share make us all feel and do better. Your sense of humor is A++.

[@user-cs1un6sp1wRennata]

I agree with your analysis completely Dr. Grande! Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this tragedy. 🐎

[@ikatydid]

As a victim of narcissist's gaslighting I can vouch for the fact that it jumbles your ability to think & causes heavy stress to the victim

[@Cjeejc7]

I’m glad she wasn’t killed so the jury could see for themselves how manipulative she was on the stand. I’m glad they found him innocent.

[@1960leeann]

Great content and I never get through a video without full out LOL. You are too funny. Love it!

[@SeaBlue1976]

Listening from Greece 🇬🇷⛱️💙,i feel so much pain due to severe Fibromyalgia but the voice of Dr Grande always helps....

[@guitarchris76]

I have a severe case of peripheral neuropathy and live in tremendous pain every day. If you ever need to talk to someone that understands what you are going through, please reach out.

[@Momz0r]

I am listening from South Africa. Also have very bad Fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis. Dr. Grande's videos is one of the things that keeps me going when I can't go anywhere. And if I have a Cortisol storm and I am so anxious (for no reason at all), I will listen to any of the older videos, and Dr. Grande's voice is so soothing that it calms me down. Thank you so much Dr. Grande!

[@canine5700]

Seeing a new upload is always the best part of my day! ❤️

[@amstarla]

Horse people are notoriously crazy without actually being diagnosed. The amount of conflict that happens inside the barns/stables - including violence against the animals is astounding!

[@neworleans1979]

Oh yes the amount of animal abuse is def off the charts! Would love to abuse the ones who do it!!! Eye for an eye!

[@katfayegarrett3872]

Yes, horse/dressage ppl are crazy, I know from experience.

[@nmartin5551]

If you think about the section of people who can afford to do this type of horse riding, they come from a world mostly without a lot of real work but with a whole bunch of unearned privilege.

[@ForestGirlTeresa]

Quite the allegation. Can you support it?

[@alicefreist318]

I've been in a few horrible relationships in which I began to feel I was losing my mind. I was questioning everything, and was filled with the fear that what I saw, heard, and felt, was all wrong. I'm glad I escaped and began making better choices. That was a dark, dark time.

[@quartermoon5333]

Well done you!😂😂 You presented a lot of information about this case that I had never heard/read and your humor was priceless! Thank you!

[@norse_cat]

It looks like we’ll need a Sherri Papini update again. She was sentenced for the kidnapping hoax.

[@DreamingInTechnicolor]

She only received 18 months, I wonder how much of that will end up being reduced with good behavior. ☹

[@leylamoody3177]

Oh man! This case was just on a Dateline or 48 Hours. I can't remember which one....BUT my first thought was that SHE was crazy and HE was innocent! The show I watched did not give any of her background. They painted her as the victim and him as a crazy person. I do believe he is innocent and I feel so bad for what he has gone through. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️❤️❤️ Thank you for always giving straight facts as well as, your own thoughts!

[@Sassyglbeauty]

Weird. When I watched 48 hours, I felt they sufficiently conveyed that she had driven him nuts. I think the show missed a lot from both sides. I’m hoping that one of the KZbin creators will cover it more in depth

[@Juke582]

Doc - thanks for doing this story! I really felt for Michael and knew that woman was a narcissist personality psychopath and it’s possible he did snap in a psychotic break after such harassment and fear. I didn’t like how the recent 48Hours show portrayed her, but we know who she was here! 😖

[@madamx269]

Oh I saw the 48hr Documentary and they painted her just right. I hated the both of those monsters. I literally cheered at the end. Go ahead and sue you beotch, I bet it’ll cost you. Bless you Michael.

[@jenniferemmert4163]

I saw the 48 hrs and perceived her to be a monster

[@keysaysassah]

Honestly good for Michael. I have no idea wtf is wrong with people, they have no care that their lies or other behaviour may not kill you but will take everything away from you (your business, way of life, children, spouse) etc. If someone’s life is worth nothing to you, then I’m not upset that your life was with nothing to them 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@veep5712]

"It's always suspicious when someone has a chance to leave New Jersey, and they don't take it.."

[@annalisegiovanni7032]

Hey Dr. Grande🤗 Thank you for the new video! I'm quite excited to hear what you have to say about this case. It's always kind of boggled my mind that people just let random people live with them not knowing anything about their past. I could never & I would never. Especially nowadays. You can't be too careful. PS~That shirt looks great Dr. Grande! I hope you're having a great day🙏💗

[@groominator-magneticequato7195]

If you have no choice, you take in renters to avoid foreclosure. My ex was abusive. I got him out. Roommates have all been great and allow me to keep a house for my kids. You must screen and do background checks. I rent to those on the healing arts or public servants. Good hearted.

[@annalisegiovanni7032]

@@groominator-magneticequato7195 ~I'm not talking about situations such as the one you were in. Im referring to roommates like these people chose.

[@perilynolsson]

I really relate to this! I had a ‘friend’ who gaslit me…never saw it coming! I was young and trusting.

[@phil4986]

Excellent analysis as usual, Dr. Grande. Lauren made it clear she was not only a threat but inferred that she was a deadly threat not only aimed at Michael but his loved ones as well. After repeatedly being told by the police to deal with it, Michael dealt with it. Lauren is Amber Heard level of vindictive crazy. She's not done yet. Someone else will have to deal with that bucket of insanity again. Guaranteed.

[@lnc-to4ku]

Very scary how somebody who is a total nightmare can walk into your life and change it forever! Very glad he wasn't found guilty! Loved all your horse adages throughout this entire video! 😂🐎

[@NickvonZ]

ROCKING the shirt, Doctor! Michael had to move to a stable because his boarder was unstable.

[@sandilou2U]

Maybe Michael thought Lauren had broken a leg. It's unfortunate, for Michael, law enforcement chose to not do their job but I place more blame on Lauren's father. I suspect that the reason he fought for her to remain at the farm was to keep her away from as many people as possible and especially him. He most likely used his money and threats for her to get her way since she was a child. But that's a horse of a different color

[@SamTheMan0_0]

I appreciate your story telling/ delivery method!

[@jo8726t]

I definitely believe that the gaslighting drove the man over the edge. Hopefully he can recover and live his life.

[@EarlSmith2469]

Beautiful analysis Dr. Grande! I sympathize with Michael. I know how it feels what he went through.

[@dogcat2994]

Doctor Grande is always so stoic...it was heartwarming to hear him horse around a bit at the end of the video

[@leslieleslie6590]

Not only is the analysis excellent but THE SHIRT IS AWESOME! And I love those horse puns: "...(Lauren) would get on her high horse, ...you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink, ....Trojan horse, ....pony up,... no warhorse...." Great job!

[@Listrynne]

I think after the first 5 or so puns he was just beating a dead horse. 😁 I'm always here for the puns though.

[@feliciadelbuono6021]

I had read about this shooting right after it happened and couldn’t imagine what would bring an instructor to the point of shooting a student. Now I understand why he did it and am glad he was not proven guilty.

[@peaceandlove7824]

She was a squatter, same as her boyfriend, both of them are free loaders.

[@herbwitch5681]

Dressage makes more sense when you consider that it was used to train warhorses. They’re actually training horses to dance around spears and swords, and hopefully on the enemy’s head. Maybe they meant not guilty due to Lauren’s insanity.

[@debrarouse2794]

Thank you! Your humor helps with cases like this when analyzing...so sad when people are so caught up in their little world that they can't see the big picture!✌

[@badassdaphne]

My ex used to enjoy provoking me in public and then mocking me to be easily triggered and embarrasse him. The confusion and frustration got stronger when his buddies emphasized his experience..... Glad that's all past.

[@lizfinkelstein1323]

All the information about her addiction and her family not wanting her around paints a much more complete picture of where some of her damage must have come from... She's a real piece of work.

[@eshaibraheem4218]

I've wondered for a while whether narcissism could be used as a defence in a court of law, due to insanity. "I couldn't help it, M'Lud. I'm a narcissist; it is my nature". I still don't know.

[@paijlee1]

Bravo on your puns and deadpan delivery. Appreciate the soothing quality of your voice as well. The Force be with you.

[@jamiezuzu7326]

Without even seeing the whole video I can personally tell you, YES, being gaslight can literally make you seem/act crazy

[@bettywu-lawrence4423]

Dr. Grande, thank you for sharing your perspective which often is very objective and substantiated with facts! Please be well we need you!

[@keithbrunson7190]

Your writing on this story is completely excellent. You're really improving consistently.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Dr. G, you totally outdid yourself here! You are quite the show horse.

[@Lionforaday]

Sharp analysis - I was surprised to learn many details of Lauren & her BF's priors - these things were notably absent from the otherwise excellent episode recently done by 48 Hours. I felt that show was very even-handed in their analysis, which ultimately led me to wonder why they would have left-out such obviously important facts? Glad you included them - it's not like they were both minors when charged in the past.

[@kevinblack7036]

Dr. Grande, another thoughtful and informative analysis…you’re not horsing around!

[@linak7155]

🐎 I remember reading about this case as it was developing in Noo Joisey. Lauren was a nut case and more stubborn than a mule. Never mind training a horse to dance instead train him to talk. If we had Mr Ed ,the Talking Horse, we would have gotten the real scoop by now. He was no jackass.Thank you Dr Grande for seeing through all the malarkey...

[@urallnutz5294]

smh Narcissists - they really can get through most casual situations with how willing they are to lie and even seem to believe those lies (or at least how much they believe they are justified in their lies), but so many don't seem to know when it's obvious they are lying and double down instead even as their credibility goes down the drain. It's a blessing in some ways

[@LKre-vi5oq]

I'm confused as to how she was able to file all of those false claims with legal entities and not face consequences. Anyhow, so glad Michael has a chance to rebuild his life.

[@grayzie9]

"Michael did not testify, therefore the jury was not able to hear the story straight from the horse's mouth." OMG, that's got to be on Dr. Grande Top Ten List! So subtle...

[@viacarrozza]

Nice to see you 'make hay' out of this one. Excellent storytelling Dr. Grande!

[@debrawhite250]

This video is in the winner’s circle for horsin around. Thank you Dr. Grande!

[@haileymaier6468]

Almost clicked off the video when the summary of the case wrapped up. Very glad I stayed, would've missed all those great horse puns. In the last two and a half minutes alone, I counted nine. I never finish a video of yours without ugly laughing. Very funny. I show all these to my mom, she loves them, too.

[@williamphillips2239]

Best line ..."It's always suspicious when someone has the opportunity to leave New Jersey and don't take it" ...ROFL ...I completely concur!

[@somercet1]

I can simplify this more than you can: Man takes pistol to confrontation with crazy couple to evict them. Couple attacks him, he shoots them in self-defense, and then is forced to plea crazy to avoid New Jersey's insane laws _against_ self-defense, because how dare you say their cops are useless.

[@smartasawhip7042]

Bingo!!!

[@thewkovacs316]

dr grande does a much better job going over the background in this case than the recent 48 hours episode does

[@thelostronin]

Loving the shirt today Doc! You gotta let me know where you get your killer threads!

[@aurorincorporated]

As usual - no horsing around, solid video and neatly humour-packed delivery! Thank You from Tallinn. =)

[@playsaboutmycat]

A horse walked into a bar. The bartender asked why the long face? What a story, Dr. G!

[@suheylaa1769]

I agree with you 💯%!!!! Love how you laid it down

[@bobdpa]

It takes a unique person to not only stay somewhere they're unwanted, but actively make things worse when they could've worked things out and continued riding the gravy train.

[@brunettelinds2811]

She didn't leave once she was there because she still wanted to board her horses but she paid $5k a month to live in the upstairs apartment, board her horses, and get lessons- even when she stopped getting him because he demoted her to other trainers when he decided she didn't have the talent or capability. Was that so hard of him to give her lessons being paid $5k a month?

[@TheVFXbyArt]

Dr Grande horsing around!

[@CristinaDavalos1127]

Loved your brilliant and clever equine euphemisms. I completely agreed with your analysis 👏

[@breecollins7715]

I really like your analysis and this resonates with me. You’re right, words can affect mental health and your conclusions is on point.

[@leighannedwards2495]

If you own a house/property and you no longer wish to have a tenant or border you should have the legal right to give them notice and make them leave. How was this woman and her boyfriend able to stay, especially when we’re making the owner’s lives miserable.

[@LDiamondz]

You're right. He never filed for eviction, though. He should have done that as soon as things started going wrong. If he did, it might have taken years anyway, as there was no restraining order. He should have gotten one of those, too.

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

Thank you, Dr. Todd Grande! It sounds like Lauren's behavior would drive anyone nuts. Michael had repeatedly asked her to leave. He should have refunded whatever portion of her rent had not been used, obtained a restraining order and had Lauren and Robert removed by police. The fact that Lauren's family didn't want her around is telling. Michael had called the police on two occasions, and they did nothing. It's hard to blame him for any of it. Lauren's behavior sounds like what HG Tudor describes as a "Malice Campaign." It's nasty, nasty stuff. HG Tudor has three videos on KZbin about malice campaigns, (that i know of). They are: "Malice," "Malice Campaign," and "Ultra Malice." The behavior described could cause just about anyone to lose it, (though it may have been self-defense in Michael's case).

[@silent_day]

You should've named this video "How many horse puns can I fit in 18 minutes and 21 seconds?"

[@pfv1247]

Michael Barisone has the heart of of a teacher and a champion in every way. May he rise up again and live a full and happier life. I hope Michael can sue Lauren Kanarek for defamation and slander. What she did to his mind and reputation is evil. Lauren is the Devil incarnate.

[@aldinaatic9360]

I always feel relaxed when someone wears a shirt with palms..palms are really relaxing. Thank you for the interesting analysis.

[@kristenjustkristen9462]

Now that you mention it, palms really are relaxing! Idk how I never noticed it before. Great analysis from the doc, and you!

[@dfailsthemost]

"Either way, Michael was very good at training dancing horses," is my favorite Grande quote.