Tom Brady tops Nick’s all-time QB Tiers; Can Mahomes become the GOAT? | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST

[@FirstThingsFirst]

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[@razkable]

to start the year I did not expect purdy to be left standing on this mountain not gonna lie....great segment

[@razkable]

Why is montana under manning?...it should be montana and mahomes tied if mahomes wins this one

[@bigdongbob838]

to see nick lie through his teeth watch the first two minutes of this segment: "the mountain isn't left-to-right" "the only one Mahomes has to chase down is Brady" LOL.

[@bigdongbob838]

"What pace are you on" Jock-sniffers love this stuff. I mean, what else are they gonna do? Get real jobs? Ask Tiger Woods what pace he was on.

[@thejokethatiswizards1058]

You guys really need to stop comparing Patrick Mahomes to Tom Brady. Patrick Mahomes is never going to be on his level no matter how you view it. Patrick Mahomes walked in torn of the most well established offenses in the NFL team that was already 13 and 3. They would’ve won their first Super Bowl with Alex Smith they did not need Patrick Mahomes to win that Super Bowl. Tom Brady also beat Patrick Mahomes twice in the playoffs and Patrick Mahomes has played against zero defense of legends and zero Hall of Fame quarterbacks at this time. Peyton Manning played against the greatest of the greats and the greatest defenses you don’t see Ray Lewis is and Troy Polamalu’s anymore you need to stop you don’t have a good enough football IQ to be having this conversation any of you.

[@johngeier697]

Seeing the growth of this show is insane. From nick and Chris Carter, to Brandon marshal on the zooms, to the current big three. Can’t believe how much better it is with this big three especially with how mid the show used to be. Wildes taking a bigger role and Brou being a regular really changed the game.

[@zachherrera5961]

still watched during those times for nicks takes lol he’s been making crazy predictions and ppl are barely taking notice

[@rickylukecage4215]

Same always liked nick.

[@luc1503]

I remember in college watching Nick, Chris and Jenna in the mornings before classes. The vibe is the biggest difference, CC was quite dull and very straight to the point. The COVID episodes with the zoom calls is where the show really picked up. When Jenna left I was worried the show would go downhill but boy was I wrong.

[@zxcv4090]

getting rid of Jenna Wolfe was key, and giving hosting duties to Wildes

[@macnsteez3938]

It was always a Nick Wright show, his personality is pretty noxious imo and you need some nicer/goofier personalities to balance him out. Wildes and Brou are perfect for that

[@JoeyWhite-p9q]

Wildes BS detector is hilarious 😂 "Brady has seven Mahomes has two we don't have to get down with our microscopes"

[@JohnnyPork82]

God right , petty statistics

[@waydeprince5963]

The vacant position😂. Nick gaslighting Brou is an art at this point

[@Jamthecoolerator]

On the left, too. 😂

[@razkable]

Should of just had mahomes and purdy....no one else deserves to be on the mountain at this point besides burrow I guess....

[@RedKingdom28]

LMAO “WHO IS THAT?!”

[@ozzyplays6352]

@@razkable this season showed that no active QB can beat mahomes except burrow. dont know why its been so easy for people to omit the fact that burrow started and ended the year hurt, and in the healthy stretch in between he destroyed the current NFC superbowl team and the 2 seed bills.

[@joem9689]

@@ozzyplays6352 kind of hard to beat him outside the playoff lets not forget tee higgins and jamar chase lets see how good he is without his whole squad. Because we seen mahomes.

[@Jkeebz]

Early Brady is an entire diff era...not comparable for stats tbh

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

🤦‍♂️😅And here comes the caveats...

[@adonasbuhr2784]

Somebody finally said it!

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

@adonasbuhr2784 🤦‍♂️😅Because it wasn't an entirely different era... dumb statement... clowns acting like it was the 80's.

[@TheSHAD0W93]

@@lakeozarkrei3767it’s true though The league was a more rushing league at the time and 3-4 k yards was considered great to elite. Not to mention Mahomes plays for a pass happy head coach. Just like wins aren’t a fair stat as Mahomes gets to play 1 more game now in the regular season and potentially post season due to the 2 seed not getting a bye.

[@abc_12333]

Say the same thing when comparing Brady to Joe Montana then.

[@kcook8023]

I bet wildes would be the best weatherman ever. 😂

[@disispeter]

Thank god for us he chose sports

[@javarzshinall9396]

​@@disispeterfor real they go overboard

[@realent2775]

Hot take wildes carries this show

[@joeyork1506]

That was his nickname in college

[@skylerhorner8796]

If he were a weatherman, I’d actually watch the weather instead of just listen to it

[@e.eandre9424]

12:40 - Here comes Wildes, pulling the defibrillator and killing the argument altogether. Great Segment. The best one thus far!

[@B.o.o.L]

With straight logic

[@TheRealMichaelP]

Wilds signature chime in …. “I’ll buy that” and honorable mention “good take”

[@bLacKxxxLoDgE]

"Facts"😂

[@macd3597]

One interesting point that Nick is missing is that in Brady’s AFC Title Game vs KC in 2018, one of the interceptions was a drop from Edelman. And the “Dee Ford Offsides Play” was ANOTHER drop from Gronk. Yet, all season, he has defended Mahomes’ picks that came from drops. Watch the games Nick!

[@TheSHAD0W93]

Just like Brady got lambasted his last year in NE with all the drops and poor routes then it continued into Bucs with drops, penalties, and missed routes. Especially Brady’s last year.

[@MrBezl]

Mahomes and Brady will be the first to tell you Super Bowl rings are a team achievement. Not just a QB thing

[@kppowell6157]

Brady has already said “Patrick is the dude if anyone can catch me.” And all these people are getting into every yoga position possible and bend over backwards to say how mahomes isn’t even close when we have never seen this type of player before.

[@BlackRavenInitiative]

And most ppl acknowledge rings don't make you the goat. It carries a lot for sure.

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

Mvp matter also

[@israelp348]

​@@kppowell6157Except we have. Brady was doing this before Mahomes and better too.

[@TheRockisaBondMovie]

@@israelp348they literally showed in the segment how Mahomes is doing it better 😂

[@cd2ogz1]

The 28-3 comeback Superbowl vic against the Falcons was the 👑achievement that put Tom at the GOAT helm for me .. I dont think any other QB could have made that type of comeback on the sport worlds BIGGEST STAGE!

[@hunterswartz9789]

Mahomes down 24-0 to the Texans and ending the game blowing them out was pretty impressive

[@Flare8124]

So the defense gets no credit for shutting down the Falcons?

[@rpc717]

I never took Brady seriously until he won the SB his first season with the Bucs. He was a system QB until that epic achievement.

[@cd2ogz1]

@Flare8124 where was the so-called "defense" in the beginning when they allowed the Falcons to get up 28-3 by halftime?

[@cd2ogz1]

@@hunterswartz9789 it definitely was .. but it wasn't at the SUPERBOWL! and Brady wasn't even in his prime anymore

[@RobertMichael]

The disrespect to Joe Montana

[@byronsmith3152]

This right here. Dude went 4-0 in the SB's. He was the best QB in the NFL for a solid decade in a time where they could literally break their backs. Give me Montana for a one game showdown over any one on that list and it is not even CLOSE!

[@razkable]

I would have him above manning for sure and mahomes under montanta in tier 2 unless until he wins this super bowl

[@TownBizz-r1d]

N don't 4get Bradshaw ❤

[@emteebee1872]

Let’s not forget Montana never threw an INT in any of the Super Bowls he played in… and yes defenders were allowed to knock the heads off of QBs and receivers… also, he never lost in the SB

[@drachireidnoc6659]

@@byronsmith3152I know bro the great Terry Bradshaw was 4-0 in super bowls too

[@zackmoss4905]

I'm surprised no one talks about the different era both these guys played in. The rule changes that have allowed the passing game to be what it is that almost all qbs in the league throw 4k yards. Also the league is way more pass happy than it was in Brady early years.

[@seanrent9852]

almost every graphic Nick puts out is misleading in some way and never gets called out lol if you know your stuff already it's whatever but some ppl be basing opinions off him

[@maxwellgrant124]

Completely agree... But I think he's 10% better than any other QB I've seen play. That matters

[@youngerudit2524]

yeah but its not like he was that good then

[@vannglorious1812]

Brady has always been protected!!! Bitter Raider fan here lol.

[@ybkid6513]

@@seanrent9852 even if you compare brady's stats to other elite qb at the time like manning it doesn't do him better. but compare mahomes stats to anyone in this "offensive era" its not close. the actual problem is that people forget the context of wins as time goes by

[@RenR70]

I still got Montana ahead of Mahomes, this is the unquestionably most QB friendly era & the degree of difficulty that Montana had to face compared to Mahomes isn’t even close.

[@True-ob4lq]

That’s why comparing different era QBs is dumb. The game is completely different

[@imonyourside8376]

Montana would have had another one had Bruce Smith not knocked him out cold in the AFCCG against my Chiefs back in early 94.

[@WizzRacing]

You have no clue how the 49ers won so easy.. They played in the weakest division. So they avoided the injuries that other teams had to deal with.. That is why when the 49ers had to play the NFC East. They lost most every time. As the NFC East owns the record for SB wins with 21.. I will add this as well. The reason the Salary cap exist. The NFL seen the writing on the wall. As the Cowboys would have won 4 straight Superbowl's before anybody could catch up. So after the 2nd SB win. The NFL stepped in. Why Jimmy Johnson had no problem leaving for Miami. The NFL was going to make sure that didn't happen..

[@RenR70]

@@imonyourside8376 Possibly but he would’ve had to face them Cowboys who were a dynasty at that time.

[@byronsmith3152]

@@imonyourside8376 He would have had another before that had Roger Craig not fumbled vs the Giants. That was the closest to a 3 peat any team has gotten.

[@williammcilravy8531]

“It’s not left to right!” It gets me every time!😂

[@d25syed10]

Coach with his won faster argument hurt my head

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

If you sprint the first 2 miles of a marathon and the walk for 10 miles your pace at the start will be faster.

[@jamesalicea4023]

Right! He literally did what he accused nick of doing. He picked a smaller amount of years that makes It look like Brady won faster when in reality over their first 7 years mahomes won faster. (If he wins this year)

[@Vibrant133]

Coach Mangini is trash lol, it’s wild how Nick is able to make better arguments than an actual NFL coach

[@jobunaga4178]

i don't know why he's even on this segment. he's contrarian just for the sake of it. most of his talking points are trash.

[@992porter]

He was just beating Nick at his own game. His point was he could pick a time span and do the same

[@losovelidadon8691]

Watching nick squirm over explaining the 0-2 vs brady makes my soul smile ..😂

[@dbmagee21]

Coach doesn't understand the question..lmao😂😂

[@tomasrojo2099]

He’s so trash. Wish he was off the show

[@calebford6318]

I wasn’t aware you were inside his head

[@dadillonful]

Nick doesn’t understand his answers

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

Coach said he won 3 faster but Mahomes won mvp faster, get to 10k, 20k yards faster, get 50,100,150 tds faster with less interception.

[@maxvaahs6198]

He should retire like his takes are nonsense all the time

[@skubaRu7]

Wildes jumped in with the common sense at the end lol. It’s an insane conversation

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

Not at all lol. Mahomes has 2 mvps already and brady won 3 in 22 years lol. Mahomes has 80 more tds with less interception and 8k more yards by age 28. Mahomes is so far ahead in everything 4 rings is all he needs.

[@skubaRu7]

@@SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 superbowls Vs 7. Until he gets atleast 5 it’s not even a real conversation. Lebron had all the stats but had to get 4 to mjs 6 before the conversation was taken seriously. This isn’t different. Pace means nothing, when it actually happens is when it’s a conversation.

[@skubaRu7]

@@SamuelMills-ez4jo 2 superbowls Vs 7. Until he gets atleast 5 it’s not even a real conversation. Lebron had all the stats but had to get 4 to mjs 6 before the conversation was taken seriously. This isn’t different. Pace means nothing, when it actually happens is when it’s a conversation.

[@yeahyeah3313]

@@skubaRu7 to think mahomes needs 7 to catch brady is delusional. Its not ONLY about super bowls like some people say. But i do agree that 5 might be what he needs.

[@TheJakeman91]

@@SamuelMills-ez4jo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

[@sisilotau2185]

Says its not left to right proceeds to put Mahomes to the left of Peyton and say Mahomes only has 1 person to beat 😂

[@Sam-jx8tv]

Patrick has also had an offensive minded coach, Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelce for his entire career so far. Up to this point Tom Brady had Troy Brown and Deon Branch.

[@sakethboddu6380]

He also had a top 3 defense in his early career. Something Mahomes has never had until this year

[@calebemerson9317]

I’m not putting manning over Montana. Dude was considered the goat even after Manning retired up until Brady beat the falcons in the SB. Also thank you for including Staubach. Dude was HIM until Montana.

[@TheRockisaBondMovie]

It’s been Brady manning for 10 years 😂 you live under a rock?

[@razkable]

I would put mahomes tied with montana if he wins this game in tier 2 above manning....having 3 as the best qb is something only 2 guys have done

[@yaboigrizz160]

@@TheRockisaBondMovie What year would you say Manning passed Montana?

[@WoahLookAtThatFreak]

​@@TheRockisaBondMovieManning choked too much in big games to be considered the 2nd best QB of all time in my opinion.

[@cheerioss-9121]

@@TheRockisaBondMovieIt was Brady Manning in terms of who was the best current QB, but if we’re being honest nobody even thought of Brady as one of the more talented QBs ever. his praise was directly correlated to his unusual amount of team success while Peyton was one of the best reg SZN QBs we ever seen. think prime James Harden or Patrick Mahomes his first year starting but that, every year in the regular season then just melting down completely in the post szn.

[@letsthinkfirstpeople]

Brady's first 7 season were under the older rules where QBs were not protected and receivers were not protected.

[@scavengertag]

It’s hard to compare eras in terms of QB stats too. When Tom was playing early in his career, it really was a different game. Edit: the counterpoint is MVPs, so there’s no doubt Mahomes early is performing better relative to peers. But essentially every QB going forward will have better and better passing stats, so I just don’t find YPG for example all that relevant

[@MrNikkoduke]

Why does no one bring this up? It is definitely a thing in football. Such a different game!

[@Cabooseforprez2012]

Honestly head to head is a dumb quarterback metric. If they played the same defense it would matter but they don’t. The fact is Brady had the better defense every single game .

[@Mericaa47]

​@Cabooseforprez2012 Nobody cares. If he's the GOAT, he gets it done against the real GOAT anyway.

[@dadillonful]

This the type of dumbbb ish old heads love to spew when it comes to todays players who are clearly better in every sport

[@Cabooseforprez2012]

@@Mericaa47 I see you are one of those delusional people who believe Tommy plaid defense. No point in saying anything else because you'll move the goal post faster than your boy destroys evidence.

[@aleks5858]

Brees underrated. Number one or two in every statistical category with only brady higher. He should be at least on the bottom tier over one of the Green Bay QBs

[@blackanimelover18]

Brees simply isn't better than Rodgers.

[@sincere8367]

@@blackanimelover18Brees was better than Favre though!

[@jamessabatier414]

Brees is better than Favre and young for sure

[@Kyle36147]

He won quick doesn’t matter when we know you had a 10 year drought… if you win 4 in that many years then you’ve won quicker.

[@xcwilliams7980]

Why does it matter who won quicker lol

[@boubacardiallo5945]

@@xcwilliams7980idk ask Coach that

[@iNFiN3]

and whos saying Mahommes wont have the same, people suspect this will happen each year, Burrow wonr be out each season, Allen will get some continuity, Herbert might finally start playing up to his potential, Lamar might not choke, also Kelce might soon retire, and thats only in his division, Purdy might start a Mahommes like run in the NFC and he wont be able to overcome that. People take the chiefs reaching the SB as a given each season.

[@twinstar2566]

true dat

[@rayceofhistory]

@@xcwilliams7980that’s what I’m saying, that’s a weird argument to me. Since when are we timing all time achievements? The time only matters to me in regard to how many you get in the same stretch, ie. if Tom had won one more or less in his first dominant stretch or later dominant stretch, or pat winning 3 in 5 or whatever it ends up being. Do you win, what are your accolades, what did you overcome, how often did you do it. This isn’t a 40 yard dash. Mahomes having earlier MVP’s matters to me as much as Brady having the extra earlier SB. It’s cool I guess because it’s not as expected when you’re younger, but it doesn’t really factor into anything at all to me.

[@DynastyFade]

The production in this show is soo dang good. The choice of music, the intro to the segment, and the takes. All of it is TOP-TIER!

[@Saucee2]

Imagine if they had Shannon Sharpe, this show would be insane!

[@matbeezy]

brou🤣🤣😂😆, got me weeeak😆😆😆, " is that the silhouette of who Purdy VANQUISHED " 😂😂😂😆😆😆. .. now I'm kackling like WILDES.....😂😅

[@occultsymbols]

Kackling

[@matbeezy]

@@occultsymbols 😆😆😆

[@louisj6399]

I hate the term "head to head" when discussing QBs. It's defense vs offense.

[@matbeezy]

😂😂😂😂 wildes "snort WILDES👀.. laughing😂" @1:07 ... is pure comedy😂😆😆😆😆😆... 👀 see what i did there😆😂💀

[@danielmujica1573]

3 years ago before the Tampa vs Kansas City Super Bowl Nick literally said on the show that if Mahomes lost that game to Brady, he would never catch him as the GOAT. Guess some things are better left forgotten

[@DrShwazz]

Opinions can change over time - even Nick at one point had SOME doubt the Chiefs would win a SB without a Tyreek, let alone 2

[@nw_po]

Nick, thank you for properly rating Tom. Mahomes may very well catch him someday, but that will not be this year.

[@kppowell6157]

He’s caught him in my mind. I can’t argue you it yet, but in my heart if I had to pick one, I’d pick mahomes. All he has to do is make another one and I can argue. But Tom is Tom.

[@Xaevin]

@@kppowell6157doesn’t even have half the rings but caught up to him lol right

[@dreezy1270]

@@Xaevinif rings matter why is Jordan the goat? 😂

[@Pkilla80]

Brady is a joke.

[@kelanrobinson4195]

What has been done is goat convo Brady has that forsure!! But if you say in a season, or in the playoffs, or in one game, who you taking It’s got to be mahomes. Everything Brady is with athleticism

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

The head 2 head matters.

[@damvp4]

They don’t want to talk about that tho

[@EnanoPancracio]

The list of QBs that have the head 2 head vs Brady in the playoffs includes Both Mannings, Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Dak Prescott and Nick Foles. The goat should not lose to such lowly competition

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

@@EnanoPancracio and that would matter if they were close. But they aren't.

[@EnanoPancracio]

@@PrincipalSkinner3190it's about projection, and Mahomes can at least say he's never lost to anyone that bad. Not to mention he'll probably own every statistical record way before his 22nd season.

[@lorddonk9806]

​@@EnanoPancraciobrady outplayed nick foles. He never lost to tebow in the playoffs. He was 45 when he lost to Prescott. The head to head doesn't matter for a qb who isn't close to the other. Peyton manning was the closest to brady, and it still isn't close. Peyton is also better than any qb currently playing. Brady was playing against hall of famers. No qb in the league that's active outside of mahomes and Rodgers are hall of famers. And Rodgers never played mahomes.

[@patdaking2011]

2:05 proves the mountain goes left to right

[@samtastisch86]

Observative

[@norteno149]

8:56 “The won quicker is irrelevant to me.” - Nick “Of course it is because it doesn’t fit your narrative.” - Coach The coach destroyed Nick with that one 😂

[@Gaiacreation]

Nah, Coach was stupid with that take. Because if Mahomes wins in a week and a half they will have the same number at this point in their careers, so speed is in fact, irrelevant.

[@oblivionpro69]

Nick says that, but at the same time you hear him all the time say “Mahomes has had the best start of an QB ever”, as an argument in his favor which is also of course a lie. So he picks and chooses when it’s “relevant”

[@Mujoman101]

Wildes continues to be our National tresure with this opening

[@reeselindsey5911]

To beat Tom is a tall task especially when he was never really ever the best qb in the league (manning) but he kept winning, then you thought maybe it bill, then he won with Tampa. But feel the same exhaustion of seeing the same team with KC. That’s the crazy part. I want to see Patplay without Andy

[@TheScotian82]

Brees has all the stats and the title. He has an arguement to be right there with Steve Young. Never saw Staubach.

[@AFL67pitt]

I did he was tougher than Brees but not as good in my opinion and Bradshaw beat him twice in SB even Rothlisberger was better than Staughback

[@cartermckeefery7113]

First things first bro this is what gets me through the week 😂😂

[@TC-gx3qn]

Did Wildes just snort?! 😂

[@fudgematthew33]

Yes. That happened. LOL

[@TC-gx3qn]

@@fudgematthew33 Lol, I thought I was tripping for a minute.

[@yremogtnomnad]

The head to head argument is a great one for sure

[@leonanthony683]

I'm pretty sure I saw some smoke come out of nicks ears when coach brought up the head to head between mahomes and brady. 😂

[@MrAllhalebreaksloose]

Nick broke that 'he won faster' argument down surgically

[@TheMissiIe]

Not really. Let's say Mahomes wins his 4th ring in the next 3 years. What's more impressive, 3 rings in 4 seasons? Or 4 rings in 9 seasons?

[@michaeldodge-k1m]

@@TheMissiIeBrady didn’t retire after 4 seasons so 4 rings in 9 or 8 seasons whatever you pick is more impressive than what Brady did.

[@bigchungus1848]

@@TheMissiIe brady won 3 in 4. 2002, 2004, and 2005

[@TheMissiIe]

@bigchungus1848 that's what I said. I said Brady won 3 in 4

[@halgreen5647]

How is drew brees not a top ten qb all time? Easily the most disrespected qb in nfl history.

[@DCuerpoJr]

1 ring and no MVPs.

[@guccigang9881]

one ring. no mvps.

[@banntaylor7323]

The problem with comparing first 7 years of Brady and Mahomes is that Brady was a very late pick and was put on a offence without great weapons and without being allowed to shine. Mahomes had Kelce and Tyreek and had the freedom to do whatever he wanted under a very offensive minded coach that allowed him to play at his best from day one. The second Tom got an all time great weapon, he put all time great numbers. There are many factors when you compare all time great players and you should try to be as fair as possible to everybody, so I do think that Mahomes has a chance to become the greatest, but it will be very hard because Tom dominated the league for decades.

[@TheYomtube]

The problem is Brady “won” 3 chips in 4 years. A player who plays at the most important position in the sport, and who is widely held as the driving force behind each of those 3 championship runs ought to have earned an MVP award and first team honors.

[@samuelgaona7196]

Mahomes had great passing game weapons and a great interior D lineman, he didn't have a top 10 run game or defense until this year, Brady had good but not great weapons, and a top 10 run game and top 5 defense every year, and once Brady got Moss and Gronk, he still never had a season of stats as good Mahomes in 2018 and 2022

[@cl9685]

@@samuelgaona7196 2007 Brady is still better than any season Mahomes has had. Literally the only thing it was missing was the Super Bowl at the end. He had a perfect regular season and put up 50 Tds to 8 Int in a harder era to throw. Mahomes has not and might never have a season that good

[@earbitter]

This is a good point, but the chiefs up until this year have had lack luster defenses where Brady always had a strong one to rely on. Mahomes literally HAD to do more to outscore opponents than Brady had to, and even without the leagues most dangerous weapon, Hill, he still won MVP last year and led the #1 offense. Yes, it’s a different era for QBs, but Mahomes has always done what he has had to to get his team to the AFCCG or SB, and Brady is hailed for always doing what he had to to win. It’s a comparison that I don’t think can be made right now. Sure, we can see Mahomes may be on pace to surpass Brady, but he’s got a long time to go and just because he is on pace now does not mean he’ll keep it up. Give it another decade and then we can really start talking about this

[@cl9685]

@@earbitter I completely agree with you. I’m not blind to the fact that Mahomes absolutely has a chance to be the GOAT but a lot has to happen. I do think Mahomes has had a slightly better start to his career but I think it’s way closer than the stats say. While you gotta give him his credit he’s playing in the most pass happy era in league history and for 4 of the 6 seasons had no question the best offensive supporting cast in the league. Brady had better defenses to start but I would bet most people couldn’t name his top 2 weapons in a given year prior to 2007 because it wasn’t that great. He didn’t randomly jump to being all time great from 2006 to 2007, his offensive supporting cast dramatically improved just the way Mahomes isn’t getting worse this year it’s the offensive cast around him getting worse while the defense picks up the slack. He’s got a real chance but we won’t know for at least a decade and context is important.

[@tinoderico4785]

Nick calling anyone’s argument misleading is incredibly ironic right after showing a curated graphic

[@santoslara9728]

to be fair comparing 6 years to 6 years is the only way to compare at the moment. If pat wins 4 faster he won't automatically be the best. plus I see pat retiring by year 14, and even then you still won't be able to compare to toms 20 year run. It's fun to compare but at the end it's all fun and games.

[@ELRamunde69]

Brady being 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs shouldn’t disqualify Mahomes… but it should MEAN something.

[@rhuttner12]

You cannot compare stats. Brady came up in the early 2000s where it was much harder to pass. Brady came up with below average receiving corps. Mahomes came up with 2 hall of fame receivers.

[@ducekong7878]

Not to mention the defenses Baltimore Pitt Tampa

[@towasinakindele]

Kevin Wildes, National Treasure

[@GenghisWanghis]

Nic Cage gonna steal him

[@luisruiz2011]

Eric Mancini setting the record straight 👏🏾

[@mattislinx]

Jesus. Why do I keep seeing the comparison for Brady's first 6 years vs. Mahomes first 6 years like it's apples to apples? You really think it's fair to compare the beginning of a career from 2001 to 2017? They're different eras. QB's weren't regularly throwing for 4500 yards and 30 TD back then. Tom playing into his mid 40's is a big reason why he's the GOAT. Being as great as he was in his mid 40's matters. Beating Mahomes in the playoffs (and a Superbowl) matters. Leading the greatest Superbowl comeback of all time matters. Leaving the Patriots and immediately winning a 7th Superbowl proving he can win without Belichick matters. There's a lot that goes into Brady being the GOAT. Mahomes needs a lot more than a great 6 year run to catch Brady.

[@jakeholt4275]

it’s not left to right 🤣🤣 always got him behind a vacant is classic

[@santoslara9728]

1- he does it to troll brou or 2- cause there really is no left to right and is trying to prove it lmfao kills me every time cause I know the moment he does move him over it brou will never let it go 🤣

[@SwaggyBoost84]

To me, the "Big 3" of Nick-Brou-Wildes is on pace to become the greatest team of all time (in sports media history)

[@fudgematthew33]

It's this show and "Inside The NBA". Two best sports shows right now.

[@Noregrets3113]

Wildes made the point in secs at the end greatness

[@vashoutlaw8278]

As always, the mountain is a little janky. Montana should be above Peyton and Mahomes. Mahomes still needs to actually win another Super Bowl. Rodgers should easily be above Marino. Then, you can debate Elway or Favre.

[@OldManInternet]

Why would Rodgers easily be above Marino? Do you value the one super bowl win Rodgers has that highly over Marino setting a single season record (5084 yards in 1984) that was untouched for decades? Because I think one could easily argue that Marino being the first QB to regularly put up "modern" passing numbers before the league evolved into the passing league we see today just as, if not more impressive than Rodger's accolades.

[@MistaTofMaine]

The entire third and fourth tier, outside arod, played in a tougher era so that should taken into account.

[@JonHernandez-c2q]

im so glad someone finally said it using the bill Russell argument is the worst argument. Brady played not only in the same era but against Mahomes and was 2-0. If bill Russell played against Jordan and Had 11 rings then yes he's the Goat. Bill Russell played at a time where there was only 12 teams and in the 60's Brady finished playing this year. Come on. Yes it doesn't have to be 7 but the people saying it only has to be 4 or 5 when Brady beat him in a Super Bowl are just trying to push Media narratives for views.

[@byronsmith3152]

Dude needs to win more than 5 to even pass Montana.

[@yeahyeah3313]

@@byronsmith3152 "more than 5 to pass montana" is the worst take of all time genuinely never seen a worse sports take in my life.

[@byronsmith3152]

@@yeahyeah3313 How so? Because of your feelings? Montana had to beat some of the greatest teams ever to even get to the SB.

[@TheBeggies95]

@@yeahyeah3313He is right. Although i would say 4 to pass Montana. Im a Brady fan but imagine Joe Montana is this era. He would be a monster

[@yeahyeah3313]

@@TheBeggies95 right, id argue he only needs 3 arguably but nonetheless, this guy was implying that he needed 6 which is simply insane

[@justinczech1489]

There's a 5 Superbowls gap we don't need our microscopes

[@saucygyro]

The NFL was played under different rules in the early 2000s. Brady’s stats getting better the further he played in the league are a testament to that. Oh and the year he had Randy Moss lol Mahomes simply has to win more for a long time to even have a shot at GOAT.

[@TheBeggies95]

Look at the year Brady had Moss. Perfect season and hella records. Mahomes had Tyreek and Kelce and could not do that

[@losovelidadon8691]

Preach

[@catherinewilliams9680]

Peyton took two teams with 4 HCs to the Super Bowl, Joe Montana took two different HCs to the Super Bowl, and a third HC to a Conference Championship game John Elway took Reeves to three straight Super Bowls and then ten years later took and won two Championships with Shanahan Tom Brady took two HCs on two different teams in two different conferences to Super Bowl wins Patrick Mahomes has taken one HC to a Super Bowl win

[@brandongonzales6374]

Do we have a graphic for Tom’s numbers in the Super Bowl vs mahomes? That ends any argument nick had

[@deanclark2703]

Why? I don't understand why head to heads matter. It's not like the greatness of one of the QBs drastically impacts how the other QB plays.

[@rollandfinney8670]

So they don’t take in account the rule changes that protect the QBs and WRs these days

[@TheBeggies95]

And the way the game changed. Defense were allowed to play back then + run game was more dominant than the passing game

[@calmuellerWAR]

People said Tom Brady got a lot of favorable roughing the passer calls and what not in his later years, but he got DESTROYED by the early/mid 2000s defensive players. Defenses were allowed to hit the QB back then. I saw a clip of TB get absolutely leveled by a Buffalo Bills safety and jumped right back up. Throw in he’s 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs. And he was essentially the good cop coach to BB’s bad cop. Brady is better than Mahomes

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

But why did brady get 1 season with 4k yards in 7 seasons but Payton got 5 in 7 seasons. Brady defense carried him for the first decade. That's why he won no mvps.

[@rhuttner12]

@@SamuelMills-ez4joBecause Manning had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne on the SAME team. Manning had WAY more weapons to work with. The second Brady got weapons, his stats were comparable.

[@TheRockisaBondMovie]

He’s 0-2 against Eli….. 😂 so that nullifies that argument 😅

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

@@rhuttner12 stop with excuses, Brady won 3 rings while being carried by he's defense. Brady had a top 10 defense in 18 seasons. Mahomes had 4k yards when not 1 receiver had 1k yards plus most drops in the league.

[@johnbutner7178]

Brou's beed with vacant is legendary 😂

[@John_TalksGiants]

Utterly ridiculous to compare the qb/player Tom was in his first 3-4 years to Mahomes in the same span of his career.

[@fish4life143]

IT'S OFFICIAL THAT FTF IS THE BEST SPORTS SHOW ON FS1!! CONGRATS 🎉

[@maleimprov604]

Honestly after seeing the media overreaction this week to Mahomes and how quickly people are to forget Tom Brady with no real challenges from anyone, it is nice to see coach Mangini bringing the facts and having a good debate. The Mahomes-Brady debate is like if Jordan won more than he did, Lebron won less than he did, and they overlapped long enough for 40-year-old Jordan to beat Lebron twice in the playoffs and NBA finals. Not really a debate. Coach also seemed to encourage Wildes to have some courage and stand up to the Mahomes nonsense.

[@smokythecameraman]

Twice technically, we all know the chiefs would've won that game had the guy not been afraid to get another penalty for touching Brady giving him that td running, I surprised nick doesn't bring that up the offsides was very much not a thing you can use HE WAS OFFSIDES that makes that int imaginary but the sack turned td was 100% bs

[@austinshane26]

Froggy Patrick has the perfect Intelligence/ athleticism mix being Half White and Half Black. 👌 with our powers combined were like Optimus Prime 😂😂

[@Saucee2]

LMFAO 😂

[@King_Boo_5]

I love this show, this is the best sports show I’ve ever seen

[@AveryB.0]

That 2018 AFC Championship game was a classic Brady game! He was down twice in the 4th quarter and led them on touchdowns to take the lead, then led them on a td drivd first possession of OT! Mahomes gotta win at least 2 more before I start to entertain the discussion for me.

[@samjacob1310]

Honestly, the GOAT conversation for any sports should not be a thing - for the reason of eras and how the game has changed. It’s unfair to the players of the present and the players of the past. Just love the game and respect the history.

[@stephenbaxter5804]

Exactly. In the NRL (National Rugby League) in Australia, they have a Hall of Fame and getting inducted is a hard thing and over 100 years of the game there are 110 HoFer's, but then they have Immortals. To earn the accolade a player needs to have changed the game or had an impact beyond his career. There's only 13 Immortals currently. I think this is something NFL should consider.

[@vanjones1749]

I agree, if anything it should be greatest of all time decade not all time which is ridiculous

[@samjacob1310]

@@vanjones1749 agreed - then you go into insane hypothetical situations where it becomes impossible to stand on

[@samjacob1310]

@@stephenbaxter5804 wow! I didn’t know that. Thank you for that

[@kevinak-d1x]

How can you compare qbs when you could take the heads off qbs and you could touch a receiver before he got control of the ball when brady played? You saw bradys stats after they implemented against that

[@TheBeggies95]

They don’t wanna hear it cause they hate Brady

[@diegohorton869]

Always correct 👍🏽 since week 1 😊 The man is perfect. Thanks Nick.

[@brentt8940]

lol he predicted 20-0

[@diegohorton869]

@@brentt8940 that was a joke, I’m the same area he came from, I knew he was being sarcastic. Let’s Go Chiefs!!

[@TheyCallMeGator]

I'm not saying Mahomes wouldn't still have better stats than Brady if he started when Tom did, but you can't compare the stats without an putting a tiny asterisks by them bc today's NFL is so much more offensive friendly than when Tom played half his career.

[@DennisFutball2396]

That’s like saying… the guy hit HRs in each of his first 4 MLB at-bats. So he’ll probably hit HRs every at-bat for 22 years. Brady has more post season wins than PM and Montana COMBINED. Yet we still hear haters saying they better

[@myshepspud1]

Oh, you talking baseball. It sounded like complete gibberish at first.

[@TheyCallMeGator]

Wildes last comment says everything (to me). Did they play in the same era, (not really). Imagine Brady's stats if he started his career when Mahomes did. It's so much more offensive friendly in today's NFL than when Tom started his career. Mahomes has it so much easier than when Tom played half his career when they could legally knock your block off.

[@timslack7568]

a week or so ago Mangini was praising Allens running ability as to what made him so special, now when it comes to Mahomes its his running ability thats gonna keep him from chasing Brady? If its an act get a new writer because the character is truly one of the worst in television history and ruining this otherwise perfect show, if its not, then get a new guest because its somehow has surpassed Skip level of awful takes.

[@jaden5843]

he has a preference for certain 🧔🏻‍♂️ QB’s

[@TheGIJoe69]

It’s because he’s black. Let’s be real.

[@Sway1999]

Hes not saying the running ability that Patrick has isn’t special, hes saying it wasn’t important to Tom so his style of play didn’t have to change. That being said, i think Mahomes will adjust just fine without his mobility later on.

[@ignassileris3873]

Playoff W-L: Rodgers when he throws for 3+ TDs : 5-3 Brady when he throws 3+ INT : 3-1

[@JP_boy_JP]

7 SB... it is like 3-5 NFL hall of fame career... Nick can say whatever, Mahomes will end up on solid second in All time goat list...

[@deidrickwashington7284]

Mangini is so on point…one of the Smartest Football analyst on TV period don’t ever get rid of him

[@RetroNBA42]

Drew Brees is a top 5 QB he should be on here he was throwing for 5500 yards

[@outdoorsopinions626]

Who would you remove. To me Otto Graham should be up there as well. He was the reason the NFL is a passing league today. However back to the question of who on that pyramid would Brees replace?

[@RetroNBA42]

@@outdoorsopinions626 John Elway sucks

[@blackanimelover18]

Drew Brees can't top 5 if Rodgers isn't top 5.

[@relllamar7654]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 say what

[@quintinplamerreed4856]

@@outdoorsopinions626arron rodgers

[@kingshafeeq7021]

Thank you Eric Mangini for correcting Nick on who the goat 🐐 is and will always be until dethroned it’s Tom Brady my favorite player of all time 🏆

[@trienasee2136]

Tom Brady saw the writing on the wall when D Ford was in the neutral zone and he won that game. He knew that Pat was gona be the MAN and then Brady went to the NFC.

[@zachparker4436]

I. An alternate universe Wildes is on stage doing stand up, opening for Tom Papa

[@clifflodriguss122]

I’m so sick of the Brees disrespect. Genuinely frustrating lol

[@coldhardkass]

The dramatic music in the background is hilarious 😂

[@shezpherd]

Mangini defending the wall and Brady love to see it. Too much prisoner of the moment to bury the guy.

[@SamuelMills-ez4jo]

Eye test is everything. Mj was being called the goat after 3 rings because of it.

[@alexv5581]

Tom has 7 FREAKING RINGS you fool, doesn't that register in your brain ?? Carried a bunch of nobodies, Dion branch was solid but that's it. his only real weapon being Rob. My god just imagine what Tom could have done with Tyreek and Kelce in their freaking prime lol prisoners of the moment and y'all ignore all freaking context. Eye test ?? Ok by that logic I would take peak LeBron over MJ any day of the week. 6' 9" 260 lbs that can jump out of the building, move like a guard, and the strength of an ox, MJ would get destroyed. But guess what ? It's the whole picture buddy, you get too enamored by flashy plays.

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

Nah he lost me on win faster argument (in which he purposefully ignored Nick so he could use it again) And head to head stats are disingenuous considering the only game he outperformed Mahomes was the Super Bowl and that’s bc hill Kelce and everyone had a case of the drops

[@larrybarbee4916]

Good points all around, great segment

[@bsmith8943]

Wildes is freaking awesome. Love this show.

[@polumathes9729]

If wins aren’t a QB stat then Manning is the greatest QB of all time

[@suv3534]

No he was way worse in the playoffs

[@HopefulNihilist]

This is an unbelievably stupid argument to make and if you can't understand why it's stupid... Then you quite frankly shouldn't even engage in any type of Sports discussion ever again.

[@polumathes9729]

@@HopefulNihilist great rebuttal. Totally convinced now 🤡

[@HopefulNihilist]

@@polumathes9729 It doesn't matter if you're "convinced or not". This is not a subjective discussion.

[@polumathes9729]

@@HopefulNihilist you’re right. I am Objectively right.

[@e.eandre9424]

11:29 - oh! Someone brought the defibrillator in time as Nick’s Eli take brought new information into the discussion. Very nice!

[@Michael-i8y6i]

Marino is above Favre? Wtf, did Nick not watch 90s football. Marino had 4 ELITE years in the 80s and then spent a decade as a 2nd tier QB behind Steve Young & Favre.

[@nmc400]

Cant wait for this convo to come up for purdy, cjstroud, etc etc everytime a new qb comes in every year.

[@kalomiles2434]

It often feels like coach is stretching. I agree with Nick, the "got there quicker" was a weak argument point.

[@MrArgman]

Nick is using the same argument. Mangini just shortened the time frame. Nick arguing against it invalidates his whole premise.

[@kalomiles2434]

True, but I feel like Nick was using it more to show Mahommes' pace, whereas coach was using it as one of the central points to Tom's (deserved) GOAT status. It was the weakest of the three reasons he mentioned.@@MrArgman

[@engineerOFdeth]

Patrick Mahomes 5 touchdown passes FOUR INTERCEPTIONS… Joe Montana 11 touchdowns passes ZERO INTERCEPTIONS….. like this cannot be real😂😂😂it’s a joke

[@lukeedison1632]

Thank God for coach setting Nick straight. This Mahomes GOAT talk, Mahomes over Brady nonsense, etc is absurd. Brady is head and shoulders ahead of Mahomes - arguably his greatest feat being that on his way out as a 43 year old, Tom beat Mahomes every time they met post season and Mahomes was in his prime playing against an old man. That is damning for the Chiefs Kingdom. And by the way, I'm a Giants fan. Grew up hating Brady, but he's the greatest. By far.

[@GerryDeeSf]

whats wild is that brady beat mahomes twice in big moments; mahomes with an absolute sizzling start to the career though

[@rajaG56]

Every time I hear Mangini talk, I root for Mahomes a bit more. 😀😀

[@noobgonebad9860]

Brady vs Mahomes is over. We saw them play each other. 2 times in playoffs and in SB. Brady took 2 rings while Mahomes had GOAT WR and GOAT TE. MJ vs Bron debate is so fascinating because we didn’t see them play each other. We saw Brady take Mahomes’s lunch pail

[@mdub1419]

Tom is currently the greatest. However, two things also forgotten: 1. The Superbowl win in 2002 was after the Tuck Rule game. 2. 2015 was when Seattle forgot they had Beast Mode in the backfield and threw an INT. Seattle beat themselves.

[@robfalgiano]

I guess the 4 Super Bowls Miami wasn’t in, but the Bills were, means Marino is better than Jim Kelly? Lol