Don't install an outside tap until you have watched this video, DIY plumbing hot/cold outside taps

[@cerealkiller4248]

As a maintenance guy it was lovely to see someone thinking about the future when doing a job, ie saving your mum/dad struggling to drain the o/s taps in the autumn. You’re the only other guy I’ve seen who wraps PTFE like I do, so fast and simple 👍

[@sennengomes]

Top quality work, Derek; appreciate the compliance aspect to that job.

[@garyredfern2542]

Nice video. I have git to do that for my dad in a few weeks. I am doing domestic gas principals this week at collage. All your videos really help me understand what I read in the books. Thanks 👍

[@viktorroswell1041]

As far as I am aware, the taps are supposed to be over a drain, other then that spot on Mate!

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@viktorroswell1041 it’s good practice to put them over a drain as I say in the video but there is no regulations to say you should put them over a drain.

[@ilricettario]

Perfect. Exactly what I've been looking for (nice idea for sleeving on a similar job). Plus all you need to know about water regulations for apprentices.

[@dirtydog2312]

How refreshing to see I’m not the only person who follows the water regs properly. Although I’ve lost count of the amount of outside tap installs that I’ve been undercut on price etc

[@CommercialGasEngineerVideos]

Morning Tomkat. Nice video to wake us all up

[@ashvanbro9329]

Best tap video mate on KZbin

[@tomkatgastraining]

Thanks 🙏

[@qadeerhussain5751]

Thank you for your valuable time and effort in making this useful video. Cheers

[@davidceredig-evans8772]

Great video - very informative. The only thing I would add is to use brass screws for outside as they won't corrode.

[@M6JKW]

Great video thanks for making and posting 👍

[@mrts5057]

Great video, just saw your video, I also installed a outside cold water tap last summer with the same pipe. This was before I've seen your video I also put the copper pipe through a white PVC conduit I had as I just did not like the fact the copper pipe having no insulation within the cavity wall. However my PVC pipe was 22mm and the copper being 15mm, I don't know if what I did was wrong but I also put a load of duck tape around the copper pipe to make a tight insulated fit with the PVC conduit. Thankfully the pipe I bought of eBay came with a isolation value and a non return built into it. Did not know at the time but now that I've seen your video happy that the product complies with regs.

[@mrbaza8793]

The channel 🎥🎞🎬📺 keeps getting better & better mate 🔧😁👍🏾 Really appreciate how the regulations come in to the works taking place, this is one point that makes you always stand out geeze 😉 Thanks 🧰🔧

[@Tom_Plumb_PHS]

I've got a similar job to do at home I'm thinking of just putting in a thermostatic shower mixer head with a dcv on each feed rather than 2 separate taps. The other complication on mine is gardens at the back and kitchens on the front so I've going to come down from upstairs bathroom on the back and use some 12v solenoid isolators on a key switch outside by the tap.

[@peterryan7827]

Great job, and the hots for the dog I did wonder, Not many people have hot outside as well cheers.

[@mbak7801]

With hot water at a fixed temp of over 60c it would be a great way to scald a dog. Besides which they are 100% happy with cold water. They will jump into an almost frozen stream at the drop of a hat.

[@tazulislam7495]

Very professional 👍

[@makestuffwork9205]

I replaced my old screw style tap with a Peglar pb50 lever type. A bit pricey but good for anyone with arthritic hands. Call me sad but the joy of using a lever type with 1/4 turn on or off vs regular screw type is next level.

[@vladimirstafasani4630]

Great video well done Derek👍

[@rossl2544]

do you have to sleeve all copper pipes that run threw solid brick walls or is it just on an external wall?

[@qadeerhussain5751]

Excellent advice 👌

[@mrharry8466]

Do not install those self cutting valves. I've just been to one that came off. Anyway, these uploads are invaluable for professionals, trainees and d.i.y ers. Thanks and all the best.

[@RockAndStoneGolem]

Really useful video this is just what I'm about to install and this video was immensely helpful! 👍

[@barryplumb581]

Excellent video

[@markcliff9923]

Top man with compliance Derek, you never see water board inspectors any more checking up on dodgy installs. Saw an install recently where the householder had a permanently connected hosepipe terminating in a sceptic tank without even a single check valve on the cold mains water pipework😱😱

[@ElTelBaby]

Did U report it...

[@Peckeronthebeach]

I always see it in campsites. No check or double check valves on the outside (drinking/grey water taps) freaks me out every time 😳😆

[@eekeek433]

Nice to see good old copper piping :) being used, not the push fit plastic we see a lot of these days.

[@Hambini]

how do you solder that close to a pipe clip without melting it?

[@tomkatgastraining]

Maybe that’s a new video idea 😜

[@sportydavek1590]

Maybe it’s some sort of special plastic look ceramic like AB use for their pulley wheel bearings?

[@nickcopperbottom9178]

"Floating" clip?. I wrote that before seeing it. It's not actually that close. Gently heat the brass a bit first as it robs the heat. Apply damp cloth to remove the heat after soldering. Careful not to disturb the solder. If you do, you usually hear a click/crack

[@aliyatesss]

Just bought my first property need an outside tap problem is I have a conservatory. So can’t fit a tap where my sink is 🙈 what do I do?

[@richardhodgson7443]

Great video Derek 👍

[@scepticchristian]

Hi Derek, thanks. Can you tell me why you don't drill from the inside of the house and avoid the guesswork of where you land. Is it just that it is easier i.e. no vupboards etc.

[@tomkatgastraining]

Just so you don’t burst the face of the brick

[@bentzionroyde4786]

Thanks Derek great video 👍

[@paulhubbard8525]

Could you use hot in a power washer if heated from combi. Don’t worry about the haters Derek your videos are great and we’re a great help to me and others getting through our ACS.

[@tomkatgastraining]

If I said I have never done that I would be a liar 😜

[@ranat5526]

Max temp settings on a power washer is around 40c so u will need to check manufacturer instructions before doing so.

[@Bradwellify]

Thomas Bradwell Thanks Derek

[@onelifelivit.5183]

Great video thanks for the upload 👍

[@johnmoran7082]

Nice to see you've had a haircut and a shave before going your mum's Derek , I do that too!

[@glyncooper1491]

Absolutely brilliant professional work what areas do you cover

[@jimmylaw9]

quality job top bloke

[@lardy70s]

Wouldn't the brass tap become hot to touch once running?. Also would the seals/washers not expand and perish due to the hot water?

[@dennisphoenix1]

I fit the taps onto the back plate tighten up and then mark the holes in the wall for fixing . This ensures it's tight but still vertical . Also the hot piping inside the cupboard you could have gone above the cold and around instead of crossing over . Would have been neater . Just my 2 penneth

[@gedman9527]

them pipes were designed so smother could hang the washing on them , cracking job top bloke

[@corkylona]

Brilliant video. Great pace and really instructional. Some others skip over key points. Thanks for posting this. All of the video uses copper. As a DIY'er I stay away from soldering and use speedfit pipe. Would this be ok on the inside of the house when connected to copper insert? Thanks

[@tomkatgastraining]

Plastic push fit is fine inside the house and connected to copper

[@corkylona]

@@tomkatgastraining thanks 👍

[@Peckeronthebeach]

Just a quick question. Would you fit a blending valve to the hot so it doesn’t burn anyone?

[@tomkatgastraining]

Would you do that to every hot tap in your house.

[@Peckeronthebeach]

@@tomkatgastraining the outside tap isn’t labelled with colour coordination so children wouldn’t differentiate between 2 identical taps. Especially young kids. I know it’s your mum and dads place so it’s not relevant for them. But people fitting these taps after watching KZbin videos mostly won’t be aware of things like blending valves which could save a trip to A&E🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ Not knocking your video by the way. Just something I would personally do.

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@Peckeronthebeach thanks for your comment but that’s why I put the hot on the left and the isolation valves will be turned off when not in use and the last thing my youngest grand child is 11 😜👍🏻

[@paulhughes8724]

If The bloody nanny state had its way you would do lol

[@jayday4879]

nice idea but two taps look like they are missing a sink could you use a shower mixer taps hidden in a cupboard so you could control the temperature and have a single tap outside?

[@brianwhitehead539]

Brilliant job

[@q9home1]

Great video

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

How can I mix the water temp outside? Is a mixer tap outside not allowed by water regs? Or maybe you can install a mixing valve inside.

[@Dreamskater100]

Hello Derek! I live in a set of flats council owned. There is an out door tap outside one of the flats. Is it free to use for all? Or does that water bill go to that flat? Thank you.

[@tomkatgastraining]

I would think it belongs to that flat.

[@Dreamskater100]

@@tomkatgastraining Thanks.

[@lukewheeler697]

Great video! Got the fact a double check valve has to be installed for the cold tap. Got a bit confused by the hot tap… is there any requirement for a single / double check valve in a new build for a outdoor HOT water tap?

[@tomkatgastraining]

The check valve is to protect the mains drinking water so that’s why it is on the cold tap

[@TrickyTree84]

Hi mate. Recently had hot and colds installed by a plumber. No idea why I'm watching this vid but glad I did. I have no sleeve (just copper through the cavity), no backplate, (the pipes just come out the wall and wobble about), and no double check or isolation on the hot. I assume my install is wrong 😂?

[@tomkatgastraining]

I would say yes and thanks for watching anyway 👍🏻

[@edthelasttribe9580]

One tip for you, when you drilled , drill from the inside with a thinner drill , then you can use bigger drill to drill it from the outside.

[@tomkatgastraining]

I think I will stick to my way thanks

[@arronlowley5659]

the issue with this is, you're more likely to damage the exterior wall by doing this.

[@edthelasttribe9580]

@@arronlowley5659 , that’s true . But , you still end up sealing it with a silicone either way , don’t want any pest or insects to go inside your property, or patch it up a bit .

[@Flat-Five]

Is it not possible to drain the outside water just using the tap outside instead of fitting a drain valve? I'm not a plumber btw but just wondering.

[@tomkatgastraining]

You will only take the pressure out if opening the tap so the pipe work is still full of water and could freeze in winter. Having a drain at the lowest point will remove that problem. Hope that helps 👍🏻

[@con4004]

This video helped a lot! What size solder would you recommend?

[@bluedwarf8858]

So if the taps had double check valves in them would you still have to put double check valves on the pipework

[@tomkatgastraining]

You should only use the taps with double check valves in if the tap was installed before 1999 and you can’t put them inside

[@the_wilkini]

Why don’t you fit taps to the backplate before fitting the pipe work?

[@tomatobrush3283]

I don't think my outside tap was installed with a double valve or a tap to turn it off in the winter and now it has stopped working and the inside of the tap is hidden by kitchen cabinets. :(

[@gedman9527]

great job mate , ya mam will be proud , hope she got the jammy dodgers out for ya

[@petef7323]

So if you need to run hot and cold feeds underground to your garage, what pipe would you suggest, and what would you insulate it with? Great tuition btw 👌

[@markrobinson1643]

Great video, my only gripe is, should you not have put the drain off on the pipe work lower as to drain the full leg like you did the other pipe?

[@tomkatgastraining]

The drain only needs to drain the water out from outside so it can be anywhere between the non return and the tap inside the house

[@markbrown3535]

Would you not just use a thermostatic mixing valve and a single tap .. ?

[@tomkatgastraining]

I did what my mum asked for. Like every son should, remember your mum knows best no matter what job you do 😂

[@ranat5526]

I have had a hot water tap connection to the outside for the past 20 years to my property, never really understood the mindset for many living in cold climates not to have such a facility.

[@mbak7801]

Why would you ever need or want to use a hot tap outside? No good for watering plants as it will most likely kill them (fixed temp or around 60c). Huge waste to throw over a car. Maybe to fill up a soapy bucket for outside cleaning. Also essential to keep taps turned off indoors until they are needed and to turn off afterwards. Local kids or a disgruntled neighbour can not only waste your water whilst you are on holiday but also run your heating 24x7 for the entire time. That would be expensive.

[@paulmorris3613]

I wonder how many will use plastic sheath or have the valve attached.It is bad enough trying to get into under sink cupboards let alone fitting turn-offs, Thanks for the video though!

[@dankendrick9360]

Great video pal! Out of interest, is there any regs that say the taps have to be over a drain (seen on some new build sites they require it) and is there anything related to having a hot outside tap I.e does it not need to have a TMV internally so no one scolds them self? Obviously I’d imagine in most cases a drain isn’t always an option but I have fitted a few TMV’s for tenants with children…curious as I’ve had people have there own theories on what’s best practise etc.. cheers

[@tomkatgastraining]

No need to be over a grid but is best practice and no need for blending valve that’s only for baths but the regs are changing soon so I will do a video on the changes as the come out

[@neily032]

Great video as always. We have always also put a plastic fitting in as an electrical break because of earthing potential, is this not right nowadays ?

[@tomkatgastraining]

You need to keep the earths not break them so if you put plastic fittings in you should bridge the fitting maintaining the earth.

[@neily032]

@@tomkatgastraining thanks for the reply. we were told that if there was a fault on the electrics that when your touched your outside tap you could be a better path to earth being outside the building. if this is not the case will tell the boys to stop doing this.

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@neily032 because of RCD and mcb you will require to keep the earths but consult a spark if you need advice 👍🏻

[@neily032]

@@tomkatgastraining cheers thanks for the knowledge. always watch and love the videos thanks for all your hard work. unfortunately we are in norfolk so abit to far to come for assements, keep up the good work much appreciated👍

[@saimasafa7272]

Spot on

[@jonatday]

What's your opinion of using the Liquid PTFE liquid instead of the tape? It's blue and I get it from all the normal places we buy our supplies from....... is it just that its a bit more expensive than tape, that hardly anyone uses it? It seams much quicker, easier......your thoughts?

[@tomkatgastraining]

We use it a lot mainly on rad valve tails. It would be better if it was colour white

[@JohnMachin-pr5xw]

Good job I would have put a plastic sleeve through the wall to protect the copper pipe!!

[@viktorroswell1041]

The other point I would make is I always hand tighten(without tape) and mark the top of the base plate with the tap upright

[@Tom_Plumb_PHS]

Good point and use the liquid ptfe you'll always end up with the tap upright.

[@andyxox4168]

The tap will bottom put on the backplate if you don’t use half a roll of perfect tape on the threads so 5 wraps and tighten the tap before you complete the plumbing inside in case you have to rotate the backplate a few degrees to get the tap plumb!

[@eazyrat]

Thanks Derrick do you have any videos on doing your portfolio for acs? Could you do one going over it? Thanks

[@tomkatgastraining]

Every training centre and accreditation body seems to do different things for their portfolios so not really able to do a video on it but thanks anyway 👍🏻

[@malcolmbale9566]

Red handle for shut off valve under the sink for the hot water, both blue!

[@henrytwigger2245]

It's about time we stopped worrying about "regulations" in uk. :D Didn't we used to say "An Englishman's home is his castle" ?

[@tomkatgastraining]

I am sorry but what kind of comment is that. Anyone breaking water regs is open to a £5000 fine or worse

[@markrainford1219]

Tails are always too short on these wall plates. wall cavities grew in size but these didn't. Used to try and buy the bare ones or sweat the tubes off and replace with correct length. Last time I tried it they had started gluing them on!!

[@jamesbulmer301]

They sell them upto 600mm long

[@TryDiy]

A double check valve in outside taps are totally redundant as they never last a winter with frost destroying them, just buy them without and put a separate check valve inside.

[@clivewilliams3661]

My daughter's 1930's solid walled house had a garden tap installed some years ago. Recently, she had external insulation with resin render added that meant extending the service pipe to the tap, I am not aware that any check valve was installed due to this alteration. The extended (60mm) service pipe was not robust enough to take even the normal operating twisting motion of the tap and the connection leaked. Fortunately, the leak was spotted in time as it was within the EPS insulation and within the guarantee period resulting in the tap extension and section of wall cladding being removed and then replaced with also new resin render. The tap is not as secure as I would have expected but it is still not leaking - my daughter will be selling the property in the near future so that when the service pipe fails again, which I expect, it will be someone else's expensive repair. I am not aware of any proprietary extension system to account for the wall cladding and fixing to the wall cladding is simply not a good idea. Also, I don't believe that any account has been taken in respect of cold bridging and it would not surprise me to see condensation dripping from the internal copper pipework. PS Why would you put a hot tap externally???

[@ellierotty]

dog wash would need a hot tap, or filling a paddling pool, washing brushes in hot water etc etc. the list is endless

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@ellierotty ?? We have a dog and wash him in the ground floor shower room, not outside. Hot water in a paddling pool, what a waste? And the brushes are only washed in cold water in the utility room sink. Perhaps filling a hot tub is a must but that should be a rare occurrence..

[@ellierotty]

@@clivewilliams3661 well there's no way im taking a dog smelling of crap into my shower room. ill do it outside and wash him down with luke warm water . Take it you have never filled a paddling pool up with mains water so again this takes the chill off. Cleaning brushes with hot water makes it so much easier. Take it you wash the dishes with cold water? ha

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@ellierotty So that you will wash the dog down on a freezing cold day outside with warm water and then dry it off outside? I would pity the poor dog as it will be soaked to the skin and cold. The worst our dog gets is when he swims in the river and its easy to get him into the shower, washed and dried in a warm environment. The shower room is a full wet room so that its easily cleaned. A dogs coat is largely waterproof except when humans decide to wash them and then cold water gets to the skin and causes a chill much like bare skinned humans being washed outside. The problem that dogs then have is that their fur retains cold water against the skin after a wash and they take much longer to dry and warm up than humans. Our paddling pool now used by the dog but formally used by my daughters was only brought out on warm summer days. It was filled in good time to heat up naturally under the sun.

[@raydebbiemcdonald3208]

Never heard of installing a hot tap outside. What would you use that for?

[@davideyres955]

Maybe washing a muddy dog off outside and not having to traipse in and out of the house to get hot water? Or easier to fill up a bucket from hot for washing car? He did say his parents were old.

[@miransalih1079]

Hi, the main reason I watched the video to see how you do a measuring for drilling the from outside to inside,but shame you did not give any tip and advice for that. I've installed many outside tap, but I always have issues with measurements, I'd rather drill from the outside to inside, but sometimes I got no choice I've do do opposite which will end up breaking a piece of brick on B the outside wall which I hate and isn't ideal!! Any tips and advice based on that problam I'm having? Thanks

[@tomkatgastraining]

I did show how to measure from inside and transfer it to outside using the waste pipe as my start point 🙄

[@miransalih1079]

@@tomkatgastraining Ah my mistake for some reason I missed that bit, yes that's great stuff, I've done that, sometimes isn't easy. But thanks mate.

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

Thank you for telling people that not only gas pipes must be sleeved. Am I allowed to install a mixer outside. If the 2 pipes are 15cm apart, then a shower valve will fit perfectly, you just need an adaptor male to male to screw in the female. So I could wash a dog without either freeze or burn him/her. In America they sell garden taps that when you close it outside it actually shuts the water off inside the property. It is called antifrost

[@tomkatgastraining]

I have installed showers outside but installed them in an insulated box with a lock on it. I wouldn’t just install it outside

[@barrydoherty636]

Could you not use plumbers mate?

[@tomkatgastraining]

Plumbers mate melts with the heat from the sun so I don’t use it as a sealant

[@geffblack9017]

Why. Put a hot tap outside?

[@tomkatgastraining]

Because my mum said so and you always do what your mum says

[@paulhughes8724]

I always unsweat the copper out of those back plates

[@Peckeronthebeach]

Why?

[@paulhughes8724]

@@Peckeronthebeach Err because they are too short lol and so there's no joint behind units

[@Peckeronthebeach]

@@paulhughes8724 good thinking 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@paulhughes8724]

@@Peckeronthebeach 😆 👍

[@killerbean9911]

I just buy longer ones, for an extra quid or 2, save 10-15 mins of messing around

[@m101ist]

You forget to fit a basin under the hot and cold external taps. 😳

[@kikii1]

That job is so perfect it's a £200+ job, but nobody wants to pay that.

[@themadhatter4761]

Nice vlog, I do hope you only charged mates rates. 😂👍🇬🇧

[@tomkatgastraining]

Nope full price 😜

[@themadhatter4761]

@@tomkatgastraining 😂😂😂 have a great new year.

[@Tom_Plumb_PHS]

Weekend out of hours rates? 😁

[@tomkatgastraining]

@@themadhatter4761 and you

[@samchappell233]

👍👍

[@SuperWayneyb]

🤘😎🤘

[@joshuaricks7730]

He really said 10 - 14 wraps lol

[@paul_my_plumbs_uk]

Tried tena pants 😂😂 they give me good back flow protection and fresh smelling boxers all day 😅😅😅

[@jamesycotter.512]

You could have bought longer back plate tails and not used fitting s in the wall

[@Dennistube001]

Hello and welcome, it gives me great pleasure to sit on bath taps Quote by Steven fry

[@ShaneBradbury-l7f]

Top draw

[@actorlyric]

A bit long winded & the over use of finger pointing 👉 . Shame your soldered joints weren't clean & appears you missed using a heat mat under the sink with the scorch marks clearly visible. Instead of fitting 2 OST you can fit a mixing valve, so in the winter & if you have a dog you can have warm water to wash its paws ! The use of a bender might of helped ! If you drilled through the wall straight through the back of the unit with a 10mm pilot you could of then drilled a nice hole spot on centre & then finished it off afterwards with a plastic pipe cover rosette. Maybe brush up on the soldering techniques & use less flux as that way you don't get solder runs all over the pipes & fittings !! I tend to use the peglars 1/4 turn lever OST only a tenner , easier to use especially for the less able who can't grip a standard tap. I finish off by using stainless screws for longevity . Overall a reasonable & functional video. Maybe save all the technical to the end as otherwise people turn off before the video has chance to start. Customers only need to know you've installed it with proper compliance so they have peace of mind.

[@tomkatgastraining]

🤣🤣🤣 love the way we are all excepts when watching videos. I used a heat Matt for all the joints I soldered so any scorch marks are not mine most of the joints you see in the video are not mine and the reason why I didn’t just drill through from outside is because I knew wires were behind the unit. Thanks for your long winded comment and maybe watch all the video before making comments on videos 😜

[@keithbrueton]

You putting a bath outside

[@tomkatgastraining]

Kind of mum needs it to wash the dog 😜

[@k14ser]

A lot of work for a simple job far to much guff

[@johnblanning2500]

Not impressed by the pipe routing in the cupboard!

[@tomkatgastraining]

You can impress some of the people some of the time but you can’t impress all the the people all of the time

[@marcinmasalski4183]

Marcin Masalski

[@chrisstirland1654]

Weren't you going to quit youtube a few months ago, or was that just a clickbait video 🤔

[@tomkatgastraining]

Because of the support I received I carried on but reduced my input but guess you are not a regular visitor so I will let you comment go 😜

[@nigelmansell8864]

@@tomkatgastraining I’m glad you ain’t left you are literally the main reason I passed my gas last year your vids saved my life

[@chippanfat3330]

I don't know why but it sounds like your been sarcastic all the way through the video

[@carlrobson5745]

Helpful and unformative,

[@liveforeverlgx5903]

Would have been cheaper buy the taps rather than kits as that is all you used