Tong Zhongyi’s Shuai-jiao (摔角)

[@frankkyle9590]

My teacher translated this book to english. I recommend reading Tin Cartmell's book called Effortless throws. Excellent book and he uses principles from Shuai Jiao, jujitsu, Bagua, xing yi, and Taiji. It is good stuff. Keep training.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

I've read it, very good book

[@燕北山前萬梅山莊主人]

Nice efforts in making this video with Guqin melody Liu Shui 流水 Flowing Water. Just two comments. 1) No, Tong Zhong-yi 佟忠義 didn't study Baoding style Shuaijiao. He was from the old Manchu-Han Bannerman clan and born in Cangzhou 滄州 which was part of Tianjin in Qing Dynasty. He studied Da Liu He Men 大六和門, the most popular style in Cangzhou town, from his father and Shuaijiao from his sworn elder brother who was also a student of his father. This sworn elder brother was a Mongol Bannerman and practiced Beijing Shuaijiao and Inner Mongolian Bökh. All styles in the old Tianjin Precture were influenced by Tianjin style Shuaijiao with heavy use of forearms block and strikes as well as low kicks. 2)Always keep one palm to one foot distance between your feet and the opponent's feet. This will enable you to break his balance and space to execute the throw.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Thank you for the tip and knowledge, much appreciated!

[@燕北山前萬梅山莊主人]

@@the.wandering.warrior You are very welcome.

[@samuelchau2860]

Good stuff. Sifu vincent.. Thanks for sharing

[@azlaroc12]

The integration of multiple whole body actions hides the many subtleties. This is beautiful and powerful.

[@Tamales21]

Beautiful

[@definitelycorrosive6274]

This is awesome stuff Vincent! I recognize some stuff from studying Judo and other grappling arts, but what really got me was when I recognized moves I've seen in forms. I love seeing the connection between form and function. There were also moves in here that I am not familiar with that again look like stuff I've seen in forms. Very Very cool.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Thank you. We tried to do these techniques justice. Yes, you'll find many of the same techniques in northern Chinese styles, and many have a lot of these throws in them. It's a shame there's a disconnect between forms/taolu and combat, but hopefully my journey will help in some way to rectify that!

[@sebastianshuster5229]

Fantastic video and variety of techniques. I have been studying Combat Shuai Chiao with some very awesome friends / practitioners the past few months. Greetings from Northeast GA!!

[@the.wandering.warrior]

I know them - you're in good company :)

[@AdoptiveTechnique13]

佟忠義 was a grand master indeed!

[@rhysclough]

This is awesome stuff mate, exactly what I've been looking for. I'm primarily a practitioner of Southern Chinese martial arts and sometimes explore in to FMA and Okinawan martial arts while also playing around with the Northern Chinese forms. I've always had this hunch that there is much more to what I'm learning than just striking and to see Shuaijiao techniques like this is quite enlightening. I think I'll have to get myself a copy of that book!

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Thank you! yes in many arts, their forms contain both striking and grappling techniques You're studying good stuff, I think you'll find this book a helpful addition

[@rhysclough]

@@the.wandering.warrior Thank you, sir :)

[@KeytoKungFu]

Liked, subscribed and I will buy the book! Thanks guys that video helped us a lot. There are the missing techniques from Tan Tui 6 and Beng Bu I think Looking forward to see more!!!

[@the.wandering.warrior]

You'll find a lot of "boxing sets" are punches, kicks, elbows, knees, AND PLENTY OF THROWS. Shuaijiao was an integral part of northern Chinese pugilism, (kung fu), I'm glad this helped

[@KeytoKungFu]

@@the.wandering.warrior Can you help us with one move in kung fu? Maybe you know what it is for

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@KeytoKungFu message me about it, maybe I can take a look?

[@KeytoKungFu]

@@the.wandering.warrior Hey thanks, it is the "kick and punch" at the same time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3bPfIp6jpZ6o7M You can find it in many forms like Cha Chui from Yu Tian Lu... But we dont think that it is a punch and a kick maybe its a movement known in shuai jiao...

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@KeytoKungFu ah! Yes I know that one. when you see a kick from one leg and a punch from opposite side's arm, with the other hand clenched and pulling to hip, that is a "sweep", often in shuaijiao called "kick". Many so-called kicks are sweeps that do involve kicking out the opponent's leg. There a huge variety of such kicking sweeps.

[@julesjones2442]

Excellent demonstration nice flow Uussshhh 🙏🏾

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Continuing to improve, I'm glad this was good for ya and I'm looking forward to showcasing more and better in the near future 🙏👍✊

[@ChineseWrestlingCeKungFu]

Great job, guys!!! Baoquan

[@EmbodyTaiChi]

Nice job guys! Thanks for posting.

[@botanicalbiohacking6065]

Great quality!

[@rcarmonbz2341]

Any recommendations on where to learn Shuai-Jiao online?

[@cathayarmory]

great!

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Thanks

[@vinhchung2084]

Nice video guys! I see that one of you is wearing a Marcelo Garcia gi pants, I assume a BJJ practitioner as well.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

I am a blue belt in BJJ, my buddy there got a hand me down gi pants but he isn't actively doing BJJ right now! xD

[@Zen-ep6mc]

beauty and harmony

[@BilboBangBang]

Where do you guys get your wrestling jackets?

[@julesjones2442]

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@iMisogynist]

Doesn't Tang Lang have a heavy takedown component already incorporated into it? How much overlap does Shuai Jiao have with Tang Lang and what differentiates the grappling in Tang Lang from Shuai Jiao? Tang Lang to me is primarily a striking system with takedowns, how have you incorporated Shuai Jiao and Tang Lang into your own cohesive combative system? I see you like sabers and SEA weaponry. Have you discovered an alive tradition of Chinese swordplay or are you trying to reconstruct a practical method of Chinese swordplay from researching other styles like FMAs and form analysis? Personally, I like HEMA and FMA but I'd be interested in your opinion about other styles of practical weapon usage. I also like Koryu styles but these are extremely hard to come around. Are you Hokkien by the way because I see that you're Taiwanese. I recommend that you seek out some Chinese martial arts from Fujian in Taiwan like Fujian White Crane, Five Ancestors and etc. Fujian martial arts are combatively interesting and I think you'll see some common techniques between the empty hand techniques of Fujian styles and FMAs.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

Thanks for your thoughtful questions, I'll answer them in order. Where Tang Lang and its contemporaries in Qing Dynasty China were specializing on merging striking and wrestling techniques, Shuai-jiao has been more and more focused on jacket-wrestling and throwing itself. I am passionate about grappling, and so shuai-jiao, mongol bokh, and others are great cross-training for me. I also find great value in training jacket-wrestling on top of "no-gi". I am on the path of finding myself/my style amongst these related arts. As far as I can tell Chinese swordplay is scattered and has been dying since the early 1900s. I find some "gold" here and there and I can see how if put together and put under a realistic and competitive fencing format, it can be revived. In practicing dao I've found that their concept of using the saber is distinct from HEMA, and many of the popular escrima styles - it's better to use those as templates to cross-reference sword principles but not exactly to "copy & paste" into the system. In Taiwan I will be exploring more saber and spear - the spear tradition is still going strong there. Yes, I'm Taiwanese - mixed like many of us are ..some Hoklo, some native... American, Chinese and Japanese influence... I do plan on seeking out Crane when I'm in Taiwan, so, thank you for the suggestion! Fujianese combat has had a strong impact in all of maritime SE Asia, so no surprise from me when I see very similar hand movements in FMA, "kuntao", and "silat" styles. Cross-pollination is how we get to improve on the advancements and specialties of more than 1 culture. - good stuff

[@jimmylin7233]

​@@the.wandering.warrior Just wanted to suggest that if you're interested in shuaijiao, you should seek out Luo Dexiu （羅德秀）, whose baguazhang is extremely throw-heavy, and not just in the orthodox Baoding/Kuaijiao/Beijing way that we're used to seeing in Taiwan. He teaches in Taipei. (Apologies if you've already looked him up, I just didn't see any reference to him in your channel or IG.)

[@anthonyroman5034]

What style of Shuai Jiao did Tong Zhongyi represent?

[@SI-ln6tc]

Has some unique moves not found in other shua jiao styles.

[@sandakamal6812]

All techniques are in freestyle wrestling

[@r------]

Some time you should challenge a judoka and show us the match

[@laithalmasri6985]

Under which rules Which Chinese wrestling should he use

[@r------]

@@laithalmasri6985 whichever he knows Rules are accepted by judokas only when they are favouring the judokas. Thus he should be careful agreeing upon the rules.

[@laithalmasri6985]

@@r------ no you're wrong

[@r------]

@@laithalmasri6985 how

[@laithalmasri6985]

@@r------ judokas always fight in mma bjj and wrestling