9mm Full Metal Jacket Ballistic Gel Test. Viable Option For Self-Defense?

Taking a look at 9mm FMJ as a self defense option. Can you use it if it's the only thing you can find or afford during this "ammo shortage?"
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[@tonycolca2241]

A lot of videos are aimed at selling hp ammo they try to make you think a fmj won't stop anything

[@randycecil7375]

FMJ beats a stick every day!

[@ToolsandTargets]

And twice on Sunday!👍

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

and harsh language LOL

[@chaddking8333]

@@blackticalmayhem8461 😂

[@Astro_touches_children]

And it's louder than a knife 🔪

[@joedouche3818]

Even a .22 beats a stick lol.

[@geedubb2005]

FMJ are plenty lethal. Add bone to the event and lots happens when the bullet hits it. I actually stagger my ammo. We learned that in the state police academy. The gel test is just that. A body has more components whether it’s human, hog, alligator, wolf, bear, etc. People shouldn’t worry at all about using FMJ in their EDC. THANKS FOR YOUR INTERESTING VIDEOS AND DEDICATION TO HELPING PEOPLE.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Good info.😎👍

[@paulross9287]

Paul Harrell talks of police and DAs looking at staggered ammo with a jaundiced eye in one of his videos. Just a thought.

[@nowhereman5424]

Cowboys didn't have hollow points.

[@wolf-ls7jx]

Yup. They didn't even have fmj.😂

[@MitchC357]

Good video and shows how hollow points are safer to innocent bystanders. I find it strange that some states outlaw HP ammo when it is safer to use for self defense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely. The people making these gun laws don't know anything about guns and ammo. It's a shame.

[@avshockey6633]

You are a lot more likely to hit an innocent bystander with an errant shot than a pass through. I regularly see reports of people hit by stray bullets, but I don't think I've ever seen a report of someone getting hit by a pass through.

[@filianablanxart8305]

That's not * some states * , that is New Jersey , and only New Jersey .

[@MitchC357]

@@filianablanxart8305 yeah NJ sucks

[@ratagris21]

@@filianablanxart8305 NJ calls HPs cop killer rounds.

[@Bluesky5553]

Been using 230gr FMJ Ball ammo in a 45ACP for decades. It works fine for self defense. Have also used 9mm 124Gr FMJ MagTech in a Sig in a previous self defense use, and it worked admirably., broke some ribs when it went in. So yeah, if all I have is FMJ I will use it with confidence.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It will definitely get the job done.👍

[@jamiethompson3851]

Yeah you must live in the south I live in Louisiana did they take tour gun?

[@jamiethompson3851]

Your?

[@berettaxd7566]

@@jamiethompson3851 Y'all'n gun

[@jamiethompson3851]

@@berettaxd7566 yup

[@p99guy]

Up into the mid 1970’s, if you carried a semi auto pistol for defense, you had one option- FMJ, so all gunfights and confrontation was settled with Fmj , and in revolvers round nose lead, or semi wad cutter. Super Vel was the company that started hollow point ammo for automatic pistols, and improved on the idea for revolvers.

[@rafars2246]

Even during the 80's, the large majority of ammo was fmj, and nobody ever say it wasn't good for self defense. This over penetration is pure insanity.

[@chuckster243]

@@rafars2246 Exactly, what good is it if your "safe" hollow point, when it falls a few inches short of hitting anything important?

[@kennethrisner8648]

the dangers of an fmj is more of a myth than anything. you hear people claiming the fmj will over penetrate and hurt or kill an innocent bystander all the time. while the possibility is there, i have yet to see a single documented case of it EVER actually happening. i have, however, seen cases where an innocent was hurt or killed simply because the shooter missed his intended target and hit someone else and that can happen no matter what the round is. the average 115 gr fmj can do everything the fanciest marketed hp can do and then some, at a fraction of the cost

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍

[@walterknight1550]

When you testy in court you used the cheapest ammo you could find I expect you will be crucified. The differences will be less than $1.00 a round. Is that the price on a life.

[@kennethrisner8648]

@@walterknight1550 Walter, Ken here. i respect your opinion and i have a question for you, but before i ask i want to make it clear i mean no disrespect to you nor am i trying to be sarcastic. question is can you provide a link to a court case where someone was actually crucified for defending his or her life by using fmj? last thing i ever wanna do is hurt or kill someone in self defense. in fact i'll look for any way out of the situation. i'll run if i can, hide if i can, but i think it very important not to blurr the lines between who is the perp and who is the victim. the way you put things will cause some people to pause at the critical moment and end up a statistic rather than a survivor

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Jelly time

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎💥

[@ratagris21]

Get giggy with it!!!🏁☯️🎩♠️

[@joeestes-u8z]

When I was in the Army in 1956, a .45 cal FMJ mil spec killed two men and lodged in a third. More recently, a truncated .9mm FMJ penetrated deeper than a round nose bullet of the same weight in gelatin. I found by testing that the .45 is good for stopping cars by disabling their engines. Retired now, I carry only .9mm HP, 115 grain, for safe self defense, should the need arise. Thank you for this latest test; that was good to know info.

[@hugostiglitz9864]

There's no substitute for real world experience. Thanks for sharing and thanks for your service, sir.

[@theia1653]

This comment is testimony for anyone who doubts the power of the .45 caliber, even in FMJ.

[@rogermuthatruckinperkins451]

I’ve always wondered how the projectiles looked afterwards. Thanks for the research man.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a lot of difference on these FMJ. Appreciate you bigtime brother!😎👊

[@johnnorman7708]

Back in the "stopping power" days where Marshall and Sanow collected data and reported what they compiled, FMJ in 9mm and .45 ACP were both in the 60% range. .38 Special round nose lead was almost 60% running in the high 50s. What shuts bad guys down may not always be quite what we think it is.

[@hardlylivin6602]

Was there a distinction made between "psychological stops" and "physical stops"? Psychological meaning that once the bad guy was shot, he lost all urge to continue fighting due to fear of being shot again. And physical means the projectiles did enough damage to physically force the bad guy to stop against his will.

[@johnnorman7708]

No distinction was made. Just the fact they ceased to function. Probably no honest way to divide the two. A lot of data submitted could not be used because critical details couldn't be confirmed. It was not a perfect database but was as good as could be assembled. Civilian, Police, and war time shooting reports tend to indicate vast differences in psychology. All that might prove is that the quantifying of anything psychological in regards to why a person ceased to function is almost impossible.

[@buzsalmon]

Jelly Time! Toolman I'm liking this more and more, BETTER & BETTER!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💨💥

[@Oden03]

Dang man! This video does a great job of showing the real difference bullet weight makes. Great footage!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👍

[@kevinramsey3490]

Another great video. I've always wondered about the .40 flat point fmj versus the ball type fmj

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Pretty surprising.

[@alexandermfernandez9283]

"Jelly time" , I love it ! The video was great as usual , and the results were pretty impressive for fmj rounds . I always wondered about the performance of these type of rounds , and like you said , they'll do the job if that's all you've got . Good Job

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@timothyorendorff7642]

I understand over penetration concerns where there are likely innocent by-standers around. But in a civil breakdown (SHTF) those distinctions between bad and innocent will likely be easier to make. In defending my loved ones I will use it all.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Amen to that!

[@xelations6002]

There's not 1 case of where a citizen involved shooting resulted in a bystander being struck

[@ladonnaghareeb4609]

My husband and I agree fully!

[@ratagris21]

You shouldn't be in the path of the flying rounds in the civil unrest.b

[@adamkaminski]

There are some. This week I watched a video of 14 yo girl dead by a bullet that a cop missed from the purp, went through the wall and killed her. On Active Self Protection channel.

[@waltonwarrior7428]

Thanks for the video. Very informative. As you probably know the 124 grain is what the 9 mm auto was designed to shoot. Regarding over penetration, I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll probably just take out another bad guy. Two 4 one! Now that Shoot’n.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@jasonbourne4070]

In combat, 124 fmj is the preferred round. Over penatrate is exactly what you want.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@ShastaBean]

even after you find out penetration comes at the expense of wounding the initial target?

[@deletdis6173]

And ya know, the pesky Hague Convention and all. 😂

[@anthonygalliart1789]

Yes although 115gr also overpenetrates dang near everytime.

[@aaronknowles8198]

@@deletdis6173technically the US never signed it. We lightly follow it to play nice but we can do what we wish.

[@davidgaines8607]

I'd like to have seen the trifecta with the 147 gr ball. It's typically quoted as much slower.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Didn't even think of that.😆

[@kirkfranks1]

@@ToolsandTargets Yes do this test too.

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

i think it would penetrate more right? because of the weight.

[@charlestwyman9933]

Hey Tools …. Thanks for your unending effort in educating those of us that don’t have the ability to do the testing you do. Including 147gr. 9mm and . 380acp would be helpful if you can manage it. Thanks Again !

[@pedrobossio5440]

147gr is slower and does penetrate even more. It's a weight/speed ratio at play.

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

Plenty of people have met the Reaper by way of FMJ rounds. Not ideal but viable in some situations.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely.👍

[@radiohobbyist13]

I'd like to see you test the 147 grain 9mm flat points, "the poor man's defense load." 😅

[@traviscochran6280]

In my .45, a RIA 1911, I have been using FMJ standard ball ammo. It runs in the pistol like a champ. It starts out about as large as many hollow points open up to. And it has twice the weight of most 9mm's. I feel OK using .45 FMJ as a defensive round. It looks like 9mm would do it a pinch. Thats not surprising, 9mm FMJ has been in use as long as .45. Both will get the job done if it's what you got.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. It will definitely do the job.👍

[@staceyhartman6825]

I'll take HST. Any weight any caliber, given the option.

[@macriggland6526]

Obviously 9mm FMJ over penetrates! Do a test of .380 FMJ and .32 FMJ, you might be surprised!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll see what I can do.👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@richardefriend I just happen to have gotten an order in of 68 grain Lehigh extreme defender projectiles in today that I'm going to load up for some testing.😎

[@DUTYGRADE]

380 and 32 is trash.

[@ladonnaghareeb4609]

@@DUTYGRADE would you care to get shot with either? I know I don't want to set shot with Anything!😉

[@FunWithDHG]

The Winchester white box! I have this stuff for my .45 in both FMJ and JHP! You listening to feedback and testing practical applications in possible real-world scenarios is awesome. PSA has a 1500 count 9mm NATO spec sale right now that would be great for training and SHTF scenarios. Ammo is better than no ammo, FMJ or not. Thanks for the test! Respect 👍

[@slickdazzler7330]

If that's all I had, and could not find anything else, I would pack it. I wouldn't feel undergunned at all. It would be interesting to see a 45acp FMJ vs a 10mm FMJ in the ballistic gel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmm, Good idea. The next gel test going live is a 10mm vs .40S&W hollow point. Very interesting.👍

[@yellowboxster06]

I don’t have a problem using FMJ in 45ACP but the 9mm is a little different. Any round capable of producing an exit wound is a waste of energy. A personal opinion of coarse…If I do have to carry 9mm FMJ it’s generally the Winchester NATO 9mm 124gr load. Great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@terrytolentino5459]

Yes! Waste of energy. 👍

[@kylejohnson1308]

People obsess with their hollow point bullets. Yes I have some but I have no problem using FMJ they will still mess up the bad guy. Some people act like you might as well be throwing cotton balls at the bad guy if you're using FMJ.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very true. FMJ will definitely get the job done.

[@aftnotmydog306]

It's not talked down on because it's not deadly. Sure it's deadly, but it doesn't perform how we prefer self defense loads to perform. It over penetrates, doesn't dump enough of its energy, and makes a smaller hole. The overpenetration is the biggest concern, a 9mm fmj could easily go through someone and still be lethal after passing through. You can take that into consideration and work around it but it presents more limitations.

[@viscious_uv2]

Ha Ha WELL SAID!

[@RevGunn-jq3cq]

Some bad guys deserve to be shot cheapest steel fmj you can find

[@buzsalmon]

@@RevGunn-jq3cq Hey Rev.Gunn I never thought about that before! DAMN Straight! I love it!!

[@garybarney6400]

Was at aftermath of Australian SOF IN NAM HE WAS INSIDR AN armored car expanded everything but browning high-power with fmj he survived there were 9 dead VC & he had 2 rounds left I was impressed I was a door gunner for 189th ahc ,so was fairly familiar with gunfights ,just saying damn good shooting & long on balls

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate y'alls service to the country brother!👊

[@rsbreeze]

9 out of 10 bears that get shot, prefer to be shot by hardcast, lest they get mad and eat you!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐻💥

[@jw-sigp2258]

Fmj have really good penetration and do really well against barriers where expanding ammo might not. So if it what you have to use fear not it will work. Shot placement crucial anyhow. A fmj in the vitals beats a jhp in attackers arm. I use hollow points in my handguns but if I lived in a place where I could not I’d just use fmj flat point of some kind. Nice video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍 Thank you sir.

[@Wolf_killa10]

I carry FMJ live in an urban environment where people can hide behind cars,trucks, etc. Used to carry hollow points but I realized their penetration power was limited

[@ronaldperkins4222]

Based on my experience as an old US Army 91B - Combat Medic - using an FMJ is fine by me. I have 2 Glocks on my nightstand; old G17 loaded with HP & my new G19 loaded with S&B 150gr FMJ. The 150's are subsonic, so won't hurt your ears as much when shot indoors. Great video; gel tests are always cool.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. They both definitely have their strengths.👍

[@chuckhaggard1584]

You'd be vastly better off with a 147gr JHP if you are looking at using a subsonic 9mm load. It will in fact still damage your hearing fired indoors though.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

​@@chuckhaggard1584 a lot of 147's struggle to open up since they are so terribly slow.

[@themainmanchannel]

I would sure rather have a good Expanding Hollowpoint. I don't like the idea of shooting through the bad guy, and 2 innocents behind him.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍

[@steemerxaxon1643]

EXACTLY RIGHT

[@americanmade422]

Exactly

[@mattjaxdad8693]

What about 2 more bad guys, have you seen the price of ammo? 2 birds with 1 stone, 3 bad guys with 1 FMJ!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@timrobinson6573]

I've wondered how TMJ projectiles would do if you drilled a hollow point with a drill bit.

[@Boondogsaint]

Today was my sons bday I grilled chicken , we did more plinking than I’ve done in 2 years and did an orange boomer too was one of his presents lolz, thx for the work tools 🇺🇸👍😎

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice!😎

[@WytesOwnley]

You need nothing else. Period. No more to talk about. ❤🎉🎉🎉 Thanks!

[@artdude2823]

It's crazy how they make people believe an fmj won't stop a threat, and only hollow points will do the job. It's about like they say you can't pull a camper Unless you have a one ton truck, yet when a small car can actually pull one.

[@357mag84]

I only carry non +p fmj in my EDC (Glock 26). I have almost 4,000 rounds of fmj through it with only one ftf (brand new magazine). I have no doubt that the Magtech that I've always shot at the range will function when I need it most.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@mr.diversity2267]

I enjoy all of your vids. No nonsense and JUST THE FACTS. Thanks!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@maxmccain8950]

I just picked up a box of Winchester 115 grain 9mm “service grade” full metal jacket. This stuff has got to be +p+. It’s warm to say the least. My chrono gave up the ghost a few months ago but if I was a betting man I’d say it is over 1300 fps. Have you ever tested the “service grade” in the brown boxes before. That would be interesting!

[@SootHead]

What I get outta this is that if you gotta use FMJ, which have been used in war by the military for more than a century, it's not necessarily a bad thing to have two holes in the target. I think an adversary is likely to drop faster that way. That doesn't account for what hurt the projectile might do after exiting the target, but if FMJ is all you got, you only have two choices... pull that trigger or not. Hopefully you might have a tick of time to evaluate what's behind the target. Also, if you gotta use FMJ, would not a larger caliber be a better choice? Two bigger holes? Maybe a little less velocity to help reduce the negative potential of overpenetration?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good points. I may need to do a test using some .45acp FMJ.👍

[@SootHead]

@@ToolsandTargets We think alike! I had .45ACP in mind when I wrote it. Not that I'm biased or anything ( : < ).

[@terrytolentino5459]

🤣 2 Holes in the target! 👍

[@Patrick_Garrett]

People act like a small rock going Mach OMG won't stop a bad guy

[@oneboyscout3653]

Thanks

[@gregbrown5129]

I carry FMJ in my Ruger LCP. I have not lost a gun fight yet.

[@terrytolentino5459]

Very good information thank you for making the video. As a rule in my carry pistols I load the first 3 rounds with hollow points and the rest with ful-metal jacket. Because after the first shot, everyone wants to take cover. And I want bullets that will penetrate doors chairs tables etc. Even my backup magazine is all full metal jacket.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Not a bad idea.👍

[@adamsaylor7427]

HST and Critical Duty are designed for hard barriers

[@adrianj-zp8ys]

Dumbest shit I've ever heard

[@hillbillywild101]

At the end of the day a bullets a bullet but when it comes down to it shot placement is key

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely

[@randyadams03]

Good to know Tools. 7 months ago got stuck carry all I had . Will get some hate but steel cased 115 fmj in my Star bm9 . Yeah bad ammo and a dumb pistol. But it works . Thanks Tools, I do have better now , Sierra 124 hp and a good carry for my Berreta.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Anything is way better than nothing.😎👍

[@krisrhebergen]

I’ll tell you one thing though. That star might be heavy and limited capacity but they are wonderful pistols with good history.

[@steveandulsky566]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't FMJ help win WW2, and others??

[@ToolsandTargets]

No correction needed.😎👍

[@scpatriot5270]

That really big wound channel is we're the bullet turn around back words.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it also slowly filled with air. It was weird watching it change as I edited it.

[@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643]

I live in central America to be more precise in Guatemala a country many of you may not even heard of, the point is that here we're almost forced to go with fmjs because the self defense labeled ammo is super expensive. Fmjs have worked just fine here actually all of the crimes or the majority of them have been comitted in this country with stolen 9mm pistols using fmj rounds.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They are definitely capable of doing the intended job.👍

[@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643]

@@ToolsandTargets of course they are.

[@Dwayne7834]

Good comparison. I never knew exactly how they would perform. Still wouldn’t want to be shot with either. Thanks for the video and information.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I definitely wouldn't wanna be ventilated by em.

[@CombatVetTom]

Very good information T&T! Thanks for all your efforts and videos! Always enjoy your videos. Thanks again and God bless you.....

[@rockjohnson2879]

Military been using ball -FMJ. For ever. They work

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. They'll perforate a bad guy without a doubt.

[@robpelick7460]

Makes you wonder the outcome if FBI had FMJ instead of Silvertip HP's back in 1986

[@robertharing7031]

I have more 124 than I have 115 and only a couple boxes of 147 flat nose but thankfully I have a little over 200 assorted hollow points and who knows I might buy some more if the price is right . But this was your test and a damn good one at that because the first 124 did more damage than a lot of so called self defense ammunition and for all those cry babies out there whining about over penetrating the target I say don’t stand behind anyone I might have to shoot

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂😂 I love it!

[@danoman5217]

They worked in the sand box. Double tap takes care of most problems

[@brucecoleman7412]

Keep walking, keep walking, nothing to see here... the tumble was where the wound channel opened up. The military uses FMJs so I really wouldn’t have a problem with it if I ran out of hollow points. You’re the man, Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I would use em for sure if I needed to.👍

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

the military has No choice tho LOL

[@brucecoleman7412]

@@blackticalmayhem8461 As I previously stated, per the Geneva Convention.

[@Nutty.357]

If that's all I got, then that's what I'm using! I can see where FMJ could be used if you have to shoot through a door or windshield or some other barrier and still be able to stop a bad dude. I keep mags loaded up with both, if someone is trying to break down my door to cause harm FMJ it is and A LOT OF IT! lol! As with any situation you have to know what will work best in that particular situation! These tests you do help a lot in gaining knowledge to what these different types of ammo is capable of, just have to apply it to your own situation! Thanks for sharing your tests!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Mag dump city!💥💥💥💥

[@Tony_Seed]

Man look at that tumbling….makes you think why do we buy all this fancy stuff

[@danoman5217]

Hollow point could be a better choice but many don’t expand. I used both 158 gain 38 spl works 9mm nato fmj. Worked great. Bullet do there on thing once they hit the target.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

Hey tools enjoyed your live cast yesterday you touched on a lot of great subjects....as to FMJ Ammo ....the way times are and are going to be....All my ammo is now defense ammo....when I was an M.P. in the early 80s we used 230 gr. BALL IN OUR 1911a1s....I felt confident that colt 1911#2334823 would end the threat of any Bad guy...i feel confident with Ball ammo ....placement is everything...keep up the great work tools! 😀❤🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I agree, placement is key.👍

[@scottierunsick5061]

I would not be scared to fmjs but I really like the 124 + p hollow points or 124 hollow point.but yea fmj would be ok if you had nothing else.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely.👍

[@Nutty.357]

Looking back on this, that 124gr is nice lol! be interesting to see the 124 nato vs the m1152 active duty! hope ya havin a good weekend brother! 💥💥

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍 Not many 9 mm hps down here atm….man they sure messed up the jelly contraption….thems badboys would sure ruin your day . Great science🏁

[@ToolsandTargets]

Tumble wumble!

[@MrLeast900]

Ballistics gel isn’t a person with visceral tissue, muscle tissue, adipose, bones, etc. assuming that target ammo is going to just fly through a human and then through 3 refrigerators and still kill little Johnny on the other side of a wall is a little silly imo

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. I don't personally concern myself with "overpenetration" at all, but many people do.👍

[@hks956]

Nice to know but im prepared for the shortages now. Got a damn ammo can full of gold dot and hst. The last shortage pissed me off so bad with ammo prices I'm definitely not making that mistake again. Stock up while you can hst +p can be had for about 28 dollars for a box of fifty. Thats about 11 dollars for 20 so compare that to the over priced stuff at the store. About as good as it gets right now.

[@louishuelsman666]

Nice shirt 👕 y’all!!!!! Like to c ya tacking this Gun Chanel thing SERIOUS!!!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@JohnCNewJr]

Hey Tools&Targets - would be cool to take the results of the 9mm (enjoyed that fully) and show us what the venerable .45 230gr Ball would do. I'm a 9 guy myself but given the history of performance, would be interesting to compare - ball to ball (that sounded funny...).

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 That would be "interesting."

[@kentuckywindage222]

Tools and Targets if you get a chance wadcutter and or flat nose if you think they would perform any different in gel. They do in a body for sure.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@billdye3530]

Odd with only 9 grains different & 30fps different that 124s both tumble but not the 115. Tumbling makes a lot bigger wound channel but both over penetrated for Home use. Good video. Wonder what flat nose fmj will do?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, That was pretty interesting. Not sure if I even have any flat nose FMJ. Now I gotta check.👍

[@sergiogiron3659]

I was wondering the same thing. On the 22lr punch test. Those flat nose traveled pretty far. I wonder how much more extra penetration flat nose 9mm FMJ would have.

[@sergiogiron3659]

@@ToolsandTargets ammo run!!!! Lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@sergiogiron3659 Good enough excuse for me...We headed to the Rural King!😜

[@billdye3530]

@@ToolsandTargets If you can find any try the hard Cast flat nose which may be +P. Like the Energizer Bunny. Keep on going & going.lol

[@loymedic]

Just curious, but I’ve heard that penetration is a lot more when a flat nose FMJ is used, as opposed to round nose FMJ… It could be interesting as a test!

[@gtgodbear6320]

You ought to stick a primer into high velocity hollow point. Shoot gel, Steel plates, bricks, vests. I guess first check if it's legal. A primer might technically make it an illegal explosive round or something.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@davidgiffordsr.930]

Thanks. I carry FMJ in 9mm or 45. would like to see 45 FMJ gel test if you can manage. Why do I carry FMJ? I figure it should do the job. Why pay so much for Self Defense rounds. I really do not expect to ever need for self defense, I don't give people problems, don't go to dangerous places etc. I do especially appreciate the warning of over penetration with these FMJ rounds however, and will keep in mind if ever needed. FMJ should be good for Texas heart shot. If you don't hit the heart, that would be a whole of of hurt. lol, Yeah I can be a sick bastard every once in a while. I subscribed. I like your accent btw, I'm a Pennsylvanian who also spent 23 years in Southern CA. My boys said I picked up an accent in CA, idk.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I would say the biggest downside to running fmj is the inconsistency. You might get a straight line or you might get some nice disruptive tumbling. But yeah, they're still gonna ventilate a bad guy.😎👍

[@timrobinson6573]

Great video. Would like to see how 147 grain does too.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I'll see what I can some up with.👍

[@v.german11b]

@@ToolsandTargets allegedly, the 9mm 147 grain FMJ is a good defense round; less velocity, less penetration. It would be great if you could do that testing to compare with the results of the 115gr and 124gr.

[@Charlie-81]

Its Jelly Time💥💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir!😎

[@trackpackgt877]

Actually the 124 grain NATO spec is loaded to +P pressure it says on side of box ( this ammo is loaded 10-15% more power than standard 9mm) thats why it was as fast as the 115 grain even though its heavier just an FYI. However loved the video I've been wanting to see what the NATO spec ammo would do in ballistic gel I have some boxes but it's not my carry ammo. great video buddy thanks

[@jmartin9059]

*THE FLUKE ANOMOLY might have been a combination of two anomalies: tumbling bullet combined with compression detonation of the gel. This can also be called dieseling. The impact pressure actually sometimes detonates the natural fuel in the organic ballistic gel.... This Detonation or Dieseling effect does not occur in live animal tissue. OCCASIONALLY a high speed camera can also catch the flash of gel detonation... AFTER, the effect a flight path might be charred, scorched, or darkened.*

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've caught the ignition on a couple of videos. It doesn't seem to happen until you get a much higher velocity rifle speed.👍

[@dinoscungilli6390]

Maybe when it turned backwards the jacket peeled open a little bit?

[@TimHeaton-lj9so]

Love your videos I watch your jelly test all the time lol how about some 45 ACP semi-wod cutter lead bullets and compare them to powder coated to my wad cutter bullets that would be a good one!

[@Cameraman148]

Well I only have FMJ in 9mm and 45ACP The only JH I have are in 38SPL Guess I will need to isolate My Targets LOL

[@ToolsandTargets]

Divide and conquer!😎👍

[@J1Z06]

Maybe for Bears, FMJ would do the trick? i stick to 147HP/HST or 124+P gold dot 9mm(HST .45 or Hornady HP .45)

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@jonclark8155]

It depends with fmj. They are good at penetrating hard barriers. I have a lot of them in 9mm 115 grn I’d rather critical defense but who knows and I like the xtp’s American gunner.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@pedrobossio5440]

What to take from this? FMJ will kill you dead. Dangerous to use for self defense, specially in an urban or suburban environment, over-penetrates, goes through too many walls, but will do the job. Hunting situations I prefer FMJ when hunting with the pistol, gets the needed penetration to take down pigs, varmint. Are HP better for defense? YES. bigger energy transfer and less penetration, which was the original reason for the development of HP ammo. Everyone used lead RN or FMJ before the advent of the HP. Would I use it for home defense or carry if I couln't get HP? absolutely! I'd have to be very aware of the background where I'm shooting.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Totally agree.👍

[@gregholsbeke3484]

Thanks I've always been a bit curious

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@gtgodbear6320]

High-velocity 1,300+ Powerball rounds. Plastic/polymer tip ball inside a hollow point .40cal home defense rounds in mine.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@818-SIGMA]

If you want to see the difference between 115 and 124 grain bullets then weigh them both or see them from behind you will feel the difference, 115 have less led than 124 visible from backside of bullet.

[@Tuidkskiwjdhdbd]

For your outro start doing a 6 rd mag dump but before ya do explain which bullet is first and bust the jell up plz love your video great info great stuff thank you and ignore me if im being dumb.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thanks. I've actually thought about doing a little weekly video, mag dumping different calibers and rounds into the gel.

[@kevingood348]

Hollow Point is the extended warranty of the ammo market. Nice to have but way overpriced and hardly needed

[@frankbrowning328]

Could be the 1st 124 gr tumbled more than once. Wound channels in the clear gel from pistol cal FMJ bullets aren't dramatically different than from hollow point bullets. It's because of the clear gel. In organic gel you see a far better representation of energy transfer, permanent and temporary wound channels. Organic gel is the gel the FBI uses. However, organic gel is not clear and as such you have to cut it open to see (and film) the results. This is why very few channels use it anymore. IMO other media such as "The meat target" do a great job of showing bone and tissue damage after the bullet has penetrated clothing layers (Which may/may not plug the hollow point causing it to act like an FMJ) However, this type of target is very expensive to use and must be disassembled to view the results. I know this was long winded but IMO FMJ bullets in clear gel vs high quality reliable hollow points bullets in clear gel do not represent the true difference in performance. If the pistol cal FMJ does not tumble a few times the wound channel will be very small. Tumbling and hitting bone are the only ways pistol cal FMJ bullets show more than a thin wound channel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@gk5891]

124 NATO should be 1263 fps +/- 5 fps at 15' from a 4" barrel. 115 NATO should be 1125 fps. (Not to be used in M9) The 124 is what people mean when they say submachine gun ammo but it was speced for the M9 Beretta as well.

[@scottstewart5784]

I carry HST 124. I practice and SHTF-stockpile with FMJ. My stockpile has some JHP, don't get me wrong, it's just that it's a definite minority. I need a SHTF-Mag-Plan to maintain a minimum qty of JHP. Maybe first 3 in the mag JHP and the rest FMJ, with a back-up mag of each.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a bad idea.😎👍

[@MC-uj4co]

Cut the tip off of that fmj.. you will find most are hollowed out. And with a little practice you will have a good defense round

[@ToolsandTargets]

Interesting.🤔

[@rottiesrule5285]

hey tools..did you see where they recalled a bunch of winchester ammo.....just thought i'd ask

[@ToolsandTargets]

I just shoot it.😜

[@iaidagger8278]

Only allowed to carry FMJ bullets for self defense in my Country!, you can legaly defend youself with FMJ only.Other bullets configurations only for hunting purposes😊😊❤❤❤

[@jpbrown1963]

Great job works

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎

[@Powder148]

What if you have to shoot thru a wall or door? I would rather want a FMJ round

[@ToolsandTargets]

They both definitely have their strengths.👍

[@Mk-uh4jo]

Greatly informative video....THANKS! I know many will consider this total heresy but many people have been stopped by FMJ ammo and I like knowing I have the necessary penetration for whatever clothing is worn or how large and fat an aggressor is. I want a bullet that penetrates front to back. Besides many JHPs clog and don't expand anyway. So for the difference in cost in "SHIT hits the fan" buying of ammo I'll buy FMJ and not worry too much about it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@johnnyjones7993]

And NJ outlawed hollow points

[@ToolsandTargets]

Wow, I didn't know that.😲

[@jamespollard1670]

I would like to see a 380 vs 9mm jelly test in a compact carry size gun . John Browning thought the 380 was doable .

[@ToolsandTargets]

Roger that. 👍

[@jamespollard1670]

@@ToolsandTargets It might make for some interesting comments ?

[@timrobinson6573]

Paul Harrell has videos testing 380 HP and FMJ

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@jamespollard1670 Oh I'm sure it will especially if the .380 does just as good as the 9. Speaking of that, my next gel test going live is a 10mm vs 40S&W test.😉

[@jamespollard1670]

@@ToolsandTargets That should be good also .

[@bubbatime]

A round that tumbles offers pretty decent ballistics, as shown in the video. This is why 95 grain round nose .380 does pretty good in the real world. It almost always tumbles.

[@NormReitzel]

Biggest diffetrence between 124gr and 115 Gr is that the 124 Gr functino flawlessly 9in y M10 submach9ne un whereas he 115's do not.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@NoGoBu]

If they poke a hole it can be use for self defense 👍🇺🇸✝️🪖😷

[@ToolsandTargets]

Amen to that!👍