Is Defender REALLY a Contender?...Winchester Elite Defender .40 S&W Self-Defense AMMO Test!

[@americanpatriot477]

The people that say the 40 is dead, really don’t know what they are talking about!! Those are some serious results!!

[@djangofreeman9382]

Check a quick view of my channel i actually Just tested the 9mm Winchester Elite Defender 124 Grain +P and surprisingly They absolutely step all over .40 Elite defender 180 Grain although it’s bigger and Heavier but quite a bit slower with less muzzle Energy. The 9mm +P elite defender expanded better and makes a more devastating wound channel. Only department the .40 wins is always Really deep over 18” of Penetration and the 9mm +P was only able to penetrate 11.5” So Unless your packing High pressure specialty underwood 165 Grainers The FAWTY is as good as DEAD!!! My friend if this load is what they wanna call powerful EDC ammo all that extra spicy recoil for what??? Barely 380 Ft/lbs of energy 🤔

[@Kinetic.44]

125 gr .40 hot rods are practically. 357 Sig...

[@curtk8130]

⁠@@djangofreeman9382the 40sw year in year out is the 3rd best selling handgun round. All major manufacturers still chamber handguns in the round so it’s nowhere near dead like 357 sig. As for ur test it sounds interesting and all but that’s just one round. I’ll probably check ur channel out but good 40 always will take a hard dump on 9mm. I’m a game warden and have carried 40 for many years and have witnessed its performance in real life applications and it’s not close. A few years ago I took out a 200 plus lb hog with one shot the round hit it in the chest and came out its back hip breaking 11 bones along the way. 40 will probably make a comeback in 10 years when Glock wants to sell new equipment to law enforcement across the world.

[@americanpatriot477]

@@djangofreeman9382 For decades it’s been proven over and over that a larger heavier round is more effective at stopping people. They (9mm crowd) can spin it anyway they want but you cannot deny physics. A bigger hole lets more blood flow! No one that’s ever been in a actual gunfight has ever said I wish I had a smaller bullet!!

[@thystaff742]

The bullet performance of 40 isn't why guys don't want it anymore. In modern bullet construction 9mm has improved to be a viable man stopper. The main thing now is shootibility and capacity. Which follow-up shots are easier with 9mm and you have more rounds.

[@eliwagner4360]

40 S&W never disappoints.

[@kevinrichardson8859]

Until you expect it to outperform 357sig 😂

[@af7119]

sig is better for penetration, that's about all.@@kevinrichardson8859

[@hartsickdisciple]

​@@kevinrichardson8859Underwood 155 grain .40 S&W @ 1300 FPS performs on par with or better than any .357 Sig.

[@kevinrichardson8859]

@hartsickdisciple no it really doesn't because underwoods 155 grain doesn't hit 1300fps....while 357sig 125 grain underwood routinely hits 1500fps....apples and oranges...35 caliber bullets at 1400fps or better had been the gold standard for laying bad guys prone for years... hot 357 rounds cavitation resemble rifle strikes in gelatin and tissue destruction check those underwood 40sw loads or any other for that matter over a chronograph...you will see what I'm talking about

[@Kinetic.44]

​@kevinrichardson8859 125 gr hot rods exist for .40 S&W. .357 sig is literally a .40 case necked down to shoot a 125 gr bullet...

[@CeltKnight]

That's actually pretty darn good. I am as surprised as you that they worked at that lower speed. That says a lot about the bullet engineering.

[@hartsickdisciple]

Pretty solid results in gel. I still much prefer 165 grain Gold Dot LE @ 1150 FPS (484 lb/ft), 165 grain HST, or 155 grain Underwood XTP @ 1300 FPS (580 lb/ft).

[@acid6urns]

i agree, for .40 the 165gr bullets are the better choice. .40 struggles to get 180gr bullets to a high enough speed, however underwood does make a 180gr that’s going pretty quick

[@almaadams3631]

Being that the number 1 handgun "stopper" is a soft lead semi jacketed 125grn 357mag at 1425fps.......Why all the insistence on heavy, slow projectiles? I have been reloading and hunting/varmiting/culling for at least 40 years. 40sw. 135grn Noslers at 1350 to 1450fps will do anything required of a DEFENSIVE pistol round. Speed defeats barriers as well. Overcoming a materials( glass, metal, wood) elasticity requires SPEED....period. Instant human incapacitation requires hydraulic capillary concussion. Forcing blood to the brain, and bursting the capillaries in the brain. KO! This also requires a minimum of 500ft lbs of energy.( although I do think some 165grn 40sw rounds in the 450/485ft lbs. energy levels are capable as well. Provided they expand immediately.

[@acid6urns]

@@almaadams3631 i agree, it baffles me why the 180gr is the ‘standard’ load for .40, when it has as much as 1/8 less energy than a 165gr load. going from 450-480 ft lbs of energy with a good 165gr down to 400 ft lbs (or less in short barrels) is insane to me, and basically negates the advantages.40 has over 9mm. sure i suppose the 180gr may penetrate a bit more but 165gr has BEYOND sufficient penetration and dumps all of its energy almost immediately. the only 180gr loads i’ve seen worth a shit are the underwood loads and that’s only bc underwood loads their shit pretty hot

[@almaadams3631]

@@acid6urns Energy should be added to power factor or kinetic energy as well. I mean a 165grn 40sw and a 115grn 9mm. with 450ft.lbs ARE NOT EQUAL. Then again speed breaks the elasticity of ALL materials and flesh. I like 135 and 155grn 40sw. The new copper projectiles don't do as well with 40sw. although I do have quite a few boxes of NOVEX 77grn. +P 40sw that produce about 588ft.lbs. They are fluted and work like the Extreme Defenders. They have been discontinued for some reason ( like people aren't buying 40sw, especially new tech bullets like these)

[@Wildwestwrangler]

I like the Winchester silvertip 40 155gr rated at 1205fps, and I like the 40s&w Hornady critical defense 165gr rated at 1175fps. With the critical defense I'm getting just over 1150fps with my m&p 2.0 4 inch 40s&w. With the silvertips I'm getting about 1180fps out of the 4 inch. Those are my favorite off the shelf loads. If I'm really shopping I absolutely love the underwood 40s&w 155gr at like 1300fps, or even their 135gr which gets about 580ftlbs of energy!!!

[@rangetime6779]

Another great test. Thanks for the 40 S&W test. The Winchester Defender 165 in G27 get 1090 fps and 1140 fps out of 4.25" barrel with excellent expansion. Generally the 180's just don't develop enough speed. The 165 strikes the best balance.

[@kevinramsey4673]

Great tests Tools! I happened to be testing .40's with HST. I love when you test 40's

[@Kinetic.44]

Had me a bunch of the 180 gr LE surplus plain brass cased stuff, nice and spicy.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@miket2354]

.40 sw is an excellent round, superior to 9mm and people who disagree just don’t like/understand physics.

[@johnmorganjr769]

💯 👍

[@eddiearchuleta615]

I prefer the 165 ranger bonded version of these they go 1180 fps from my g22 and i actually prefer the 124+p defender bonded 9mm as it goes 1270fps from my g17

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Good! Glad they performed. I, as you, was not confident that it was going to reliably perform. As a 40 carrier from the late 90s, I have tried & tested most of the offerings in many bullet weights in crude media tests. The 180s are the most likely to not reliably expand. Especially out of Shields and G27 barrel lengths. Quite a # of Winchester offerings have inconsistent performance in 40 on other(guntuber) gel tests over the years. I am inclined to believe the first and possibly the second G27 bullets didn't properly expand. Under 900fps with a Winchester 180 bonded is a challenge. Good stuff. Thank you much.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think you're right. Those first two had much less disruption before they exited.😎👍

[@Brad1237202]

Thanks Brother for taking time out of your busy day to make this video for us!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you!😎👊

[@bigandy2109]

Not bad for 180 grain , I sometimes carry the 165 grain pdx1 in my Glock 22 , I hear they perform a lot better than the 180s , as always that was a awesome test , thank you for what you do…..

[@timrobinson6573]

I prefer 180s. The projectiles are longer and can allow greater expansion diameter because theres more projectile to peel back. Also, the heavier weight helps them penetrate better.

[@djangofreeman9382]

165 Grain is usually the optimal weight for maximum effectiveness in .40 and Generally always is Quite a bit more powerful than 180 Grain although the 165 Grains have more felt recoil and snappy muzzle flip

[@djangofreeman9382]

@@timrobinson6573 99.9% of the time almost any and all .40 165 grain load are gonna have quite a bit more muzzle energy and bigger Overall expansion than the Heavier 180 grain which just only wins in the Penetration department

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@rogerwood5228]

Thanks for reviewing this round. I got a few hundred of these in the PDX1 practically for free on a firearm purchase and haven't shot any of them yet. They did a decent job but would like a little more velocity.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here.😎👊

[@jimreed6875]

I did not expect the 27 to do as well as it did. The 22's performance didn't surprise me at all.

[@billieglennbusch2189]

Tools unbiased testing helped me to decide on a G27 as my EDC. Those .40 rounds to me are just devastating 😳

[@jimreed6875]

@@billieglennbusch2189 The 27 was the first Glock I ever bought, but not the last.

[@djangofreeman9382]

Yea I’m not surprised they did so Basic definitely NOT!!! impressed Those actually suck when compared to the Good ‘ol 124 Grain 9mm +P Winchesta elite defender .40 is Bigger heavier but quite a bit slower with less Muzzle Energies still it penetrates quite a bit better than the 9mm that’s the only win it takes but as far as wound channel the hot 9mm +P Winchesta Elite defender easily wins hands down

[@djangofreeman9382]

@@billieglennbusch2189 Check my channel also today I just tested some hot hand reloaded 9mm 124 Grain +P+ Winchesta Elite Defender and Surprisingly The Big heavier but slower Fawty has less muzzle energy, smaller wound channel, and overall less expansion kind of down right sucks when compared to the 9mm +P+ elite defender Handloads. The Big bore .40 just Always wins in the penetration department hands down over 18” is a lot

[@timrobinson6573]

The worst box of ammo I EVER bought was Defender 45 ACP. There were flecks of what looked like black dried glue on all of the brass. One of the casings were split at the mouth down about a 1/4 of the way. It was unbelievable

[@effeojnedib7208]

Thanks for sharing your test results. Even though the bullets performed and the penetration was there, I'd prefer more FPS (1000 plus) which would give 400 plus ft pounds of energy. 400 ft pounds being the minimum for my uses. Thanks again !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. Need more spice!💥🌶💥

[@Dennisthemenace40]

Yes, even speeds up to 1,050 FPS from the G22 would be about right for the cartridge’s potential.

[@djangofreeman9382]

@@ToolsandTargets I’m not trying to Rag on the .40 but it’s a reason why everybody ditched em Behind in the past over 2 decades ago. Using a small CCW subcompact Pistol Only category a .40 wins over 9mm is much deeper usually over 18” of penetration. You should compare the 9mm Winchester 124 Grain +P Elite defender Vs .40 Elite defender both using short barrels and I’m absolutely sure the results would surprise you 🤔💭

[@hoffpbass]

These did well, but I am still beyond impressed with the Hornady Critical Defense 165 grainers you tested a couple weeks ago. Those had around 100 ft-lbs of energy than these, even from the short barrel. But, like anything, if I get these at the right price, they'll work. Thanks Tools 👍 I think we still need you to develop at 40 S&W rant, though 😅 These need to hit 1000 ft/sec.

[@graywind4326]

I have seen these tested out of both pistols before with clothing, and they worked well. Bullets can be designed to expand at low velocity. Federal HST 180’s do excellent as well.

[@leroycaudill96]

They actually look pretty good but a little surprising at these speeds thanks Tools good video.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Very good test and it is always good to get a surprise , they would get the job done no problem. Thanks buddy

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@richki.24]

Yay for 40s&w testing ..

[@al01100]

I'm not a heavy for caliber load guy, I go for the mid weight in every handgun round. That doesn't apply for hunting but, for defensive use, I go 124 in 9, 165 in 40, and 200 in 45

[@Dennisthemenace40]

Another great test. I have a G27 and installed a Pachmayr base plate that adds two rounds to the 9 round mags and lets my pinky finger join the party. It makes the gun taller but has a bobtail profile that keeps the footprint small.

[@DinoNucci]

40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🧟‍♂️💥

[@LH-rh8vi]

The only pistol caliber LITERALLY DESIGNED to extirpate two legged beings…

[@DinoNucci]

@@LH-rh8vi correct

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Man, I just want to say thank you for everything you've taught me over the last few years. Your hard work is thoroughly appreciated, brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Definitely appreciate ya!😎👊

[@WarriorSoul357]

Some really nice channels on those two! A good .40 round ain't no joke!

[@corbinpowell128]

Tools&Targets, I personally would use the bullet puller and remove the bullet then weigh the powder charge and maybe increase it if it’s on the weaker side. Just a thought. More powder means more velocity.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I would need to know what powder they used.

[@jameshood9694]

I tested these just last week myself except I was using 165 grain out of 4.25 inch barrel. Expanded like crazy. These usually do well in most calibers. Personally I don't usually like the 180 grain loads because of the speed and lack of expansion but these did good. Another good video. Also the Ranger T that you testedted before in 9mm and 45 acp that didn't do so well through cloth. The 165 grain 40 s&w version seems to do really good.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@GTfromAG]

THIS is & hornady critical duty are my favorite!!

[@jeffreybean5363]

Very nice results Tools! Stay safe and God bless 👊🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

You too, brother.😎👊

[@147CombatMedic]

Nice performance out of that round. What surprises me the most is that you got pretty much the same results out of the 27 as you did from the 22. 💥😲💥

[@rsbreeze]

Pretty good test for Short & Weak!

[@JimD410]

I would like to see you test these in 147gr 9mm I bought a bunch of it a few years back and I tested it on water jugs and it would expand great but as soon as I would make a clothing barrier in front of the jugs it would just push right through with no expansion. I'd like to see them in the gel with the heavy clothing barrier. Great test as usual.

[@timrobinson6573]

Yikes. If the cloth is clogging them in watet jugs then I wouldnt carry them. Even if the expanded with a gel test, they still failed in the jugs. Dont look for a reason to carry them. You should be looking for every reason not to carry them unless proven otherwise.

[@JimD410]

@@timrobinson6573 yeah I don't use them. If I did I'd only load them up in one of my 9mm carbines. I like 9mm 124+p critical Duty &115 critical defense. I also like the federal 124 hst and 124&115 sig Vcrown.

[@357mag84]

I use the Underwood 180 gr jhp. They chrono a little over 1100 in my G22.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

These 180gr .40 PDX-1 Defenders are just repackaged 180gr WW Ranger Bonded, the entire PDX-1 line is a spin off of the Ranger Bonded, but packaged in 20 round boxes for civilians. No surprise that these performed well, they always do. Winchester has released several versions of this load of the years, including in a white box that was FBI contract over-run ammo (which I have some of).

[@jackbauer9077]

I agree with you on most 40’s will work if they have enough speed. Seems like all Winchester ammo/self defense for us normal folks good/okay but I feel like the ranger types of ammo always seem a bit better. I’ll buy/carry Winchester defend or PDx1 ammo but gold dot and HST is always 1st choice

[@RL-RL]

With the speed and energy, I thought was goinna be a dud test. Proved us both wrong huh? Very surprised with the results as well. 👏

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@stolnpckup]

I think I have some of this ammo. I just can't remember. The first firearm that I ever purchased was a smith 40 caliber back in 2002 or 2003. I still have it to this day.

[@PassivePortfolios]

These bullets are the old Black Talon, renamed as "Defender" , a less controversial name. Yet another excellent video, as usual.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

No they're not. They look similar but that's where it ends. The Ranger T is the revised 'Black Talon' or 'Ranger SXT'. These are bonded and the Black Talon was not bonded.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Close, but not the same.

[@steelpunisher6944]

Nice! I really wasn’t expecting much after the chrono test. But they performed nicely! Definitely a good option for carry. I’ve tested the 9mm and got very mixed results. More failures than not with clothing. But it was all short barrels tested. Great test and great results good sir. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@frawdulent]

Always look forward to seeing a new TnT video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

[@truthhurts7836]

Another much appreciated video from the man that just don't stop.keep the videos coming 👍.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@metaldamnation276]

Love the forty cal. Those low velocity.40s did really well. I carry 165 grain federal hst. In my 27 and 23 . Thanks for the test. Great job

[@patriotpreacher43]

Tested function today with Hornady Critical Duty 124 grain plus P in 9mm. They got some snappiness to them!

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Enjoy the 40 cal tests. Seems you’ve had problems with WW ammo except in the 40, very nice performance! Haven’t tried that particular round but have WW Rangers in my 27. Thanks for the test Tools!

[@Xenophon1]

I think .40 180gr JHP is an ideal SD round. What kind of grip extension is on your G27?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I believe it's a Pearce brand.

[@jeremycarpenter5550]

Try the winchester pdx 1 ammo 40 caliber would like to see the test on that one .

[@Robb-n6b]

Powerful design. Looks somewhat similar to the Black Talons, minus the color.

[@Bob.W.]

I'm switching to all .40 in autos. Thanks again for your work.

[@chretired]

Very unexpected results Tools. I'd still like to see better velocity. All in all excellent performance. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Surprised they did what they did at the speeds.😎👍

[@alessandropereirapassos6220]

As always one more great video. The ammo had amazing penetration but more joules in G22.

[@black91stang89]

Another excellent test, thanks Tools! 40s&w is my favorite pistol caliber, these look like they might be a good option for carry but I too would like to see more velocity. The projectiles performed well considering the lower speed.

[@riflemaster1]

Great performance for that speed of projectile

[@Robb-n6b]

Looks like a bit better round than any 9mm except the hottest loads. Bigger hole with wider expansion is a big plus.

[@deadmeat8754]

Looks like the Winchester Elite Defender Bonded is loaded close to FBI reference (180gn@980fps=384lb/ft). The expansion looked good, as I suspected it would with those nice Winchester bonded JHP. I prefer Speer Gold Dots, but I'd feel confident with the Winchester Elite Defender 180 JHP 40 S&W you tested. +1

[@Sambo169]

This is one of the rounds I carry in my G23!

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

180s usually work but they are always kinda slow and are usually under 400 pounds of energy. I prefer 165s or 155. 155s make over 500 pounds of energy and still make 12” of penetration

[@pewpewTN]

From what I've seen, .40 does the best at 155 or 165 grains. At least as far as energy goes.

[@Lexicologist1971]

40 is so consistently a good performer.

[@bluecollaramerican3884]

i just found on my pc that you film in 4k....welcome to my tv.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Well, I had a feeling you would post a video today and bingo, I think you ran a 9mm test on these but I'll check it out, I have to work on one of my tools today, I've been putting it off due to illness, Thanks Brian, I'm on the lookout for another, Have a safe weekend my friend. 👍 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Hope you get back up to speed soon!😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

​@@ToolsandTargetsThank You. 👊

[@stevemastbaum]

I always thought the defender series ammo was just a black talon with out a nickel case and blackened bullet.

[@Omega34685]

This my exact setup, 27 model with the same ammo; I think this is the first time anyone has reviewed these together. I think the FBI recommended this round at one point for 40 S&W. In any event, it’s good to see the ammo worked well. Thanks for the review.

[@Tom-cp6yj]

I carried the 9mm version 124+p of this for a long time in my glock 19.. most of the tests were positive!

[@MrSumGuns]

Thanks for all the 40 tests since that is what I carry in a G27. Now I can't decide lol 😅 Great video as always!

[@Z_BoyPanduh]

These preformed a lot better than their 9mm variant. I wouldn’t carry this round in 9mm because of the failure to expand, but I wouldn’t mind using these in 40sw.

[@gwidwock]

Real nice. That's what I have in my G23 for home defense. Thank you! I'll keep them in the firearm. It did surprise me with the lower velocities. Great job.

[@deletdis6173]

I didn't know Winchester Defenders could have Talons. Good stuff 😃

[@buzsalmon]

Yes I would consider using this ammo Tools. I never have though. Your test went well! Merry Christmas! You are a very good man. Buz and I am buying 1 or more Muddy Water Holsters. Just wanted to tell you!

[@wheeler71]

Good work 👍🗽💪🏽 carried 165 HST many yrs( never used in SD 9:27 ) back to 147 124 HST in 9 lately Appreciate your tests 🔫🇺🇸

[@Dwayne7834]

Good video and performance. Thanks for sharing 👍

[@cadencero5313]

I liked it! Did you ever try it out in 9mm?

[@Hanover_Fist]

Thanks Tools!!...another great video. It looked like these ran very smooth through the shorty.....How did it feel? I have always liked Winchester.

[@NormanPOlt]

Absolutely fantastic performance from both short and long barrels: what more could one reasonably expect? Not to say there are not some hotter loads available, but for exactly what application? Ursine defense? Get your 10mm!

[@Nutty.357]

I'm with you on a Need for Speed! Another +100 fps would really make those nice and more reliable expansion probably! Have a good one! Appreciate ya! 💥💥

[@caleb6988]

They definitely performed good and retained weight good. Great 40cal test brother tools 😎

[@charlesphillips5906]

Thanks for the short barrel.

[@johnw4999]

If the 10mm version is using the same bullet (material and all) at an advertised 1,240 fps, this might be a good 100-150 yd capable cartridge from a 5-inch barrel.

[@rippinrye506]

Tool, I would really like to see some of your favorite rounds through heavy winter clothing. I think it would make an awesome video, would put these rounds into extreme conditions!

[@johnb7430]

Nice test. Love seeing that round perform (as its carried)

[@edwardzamorski3711]

I actually thought they wouldn't expand under those low velocities surprised me

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@jwash3rd]

Looks like an improved version of the Ranger T. I had poor results with the T's back when I tested.

[@lutherpayne9957]

Wonder how this round would work out of a Ruger PCC? And yes, I'm one of the rare guys the bought a Ruger PCC in 40 S&W. I mated it with my Glock G27. Makes a great bug out bag combo. Cheers!

[@charlesmorgan1879]

If I could find a ruger pcc in 40 I'd get it but only one I can find is the highpoint , which I'm still considering...don't tell tools , lol

[@richardhillier442]

Egads....3/4 in hole is very impressive. Thanks? TOOLS 🔧 😊

[@milehighgimpster]

Good test. Thanks for the video

[@HOOSIERDADDY385]

Thank you for the test. They both did good. 🙂👍

[@mikeautry2271]

Love the 40....

[@ToolsandTargets]

This was a weak example of what it can do for sure.

[@frawdulent]

#40gang

[@tonycolca2241]

Some of these tests remind me of old time drag racing the heck with the numbers it's who gets to the other end first

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@willo.2324]

When I see a .40 S&W test I click

[@misterx8592]

Brian’s the .40 and 10mm King!

[@pkjdm]

180 grain .40sw are on par with 9mm +p 147 grain

[@MeMadeIt]

Every good 40S&W ammo test you do, Tools, gives me the itch to get a 40S&W. 😄

[@TylerTerrell702]

Would love to see you test the winchester defender in 10mm. Very interested in how it performs

[@thepatriotsrage661]

It performs very well, WW uses the same 180gr bullet in the .40 and the 10MM PDX-1 Defender. So driving this bullet at 10MM velocities brings the best out of it.

[@jamieeakin1383]

It's good to see Winchester with a useable product. Seems to me they lagged behind for a long time.

[@johngrunwell]

Very good video as always. It may appears to me, they appear a little ragged in the expansion department. Although they went thru a barrier the uneven expansion maybe what caused the first two to exit as compared towards the two that stayed in. However, as you already stated, good expansion being bonded and Great penetrations. Thanks again, I love .40S&W.

[@trustnot9]

Awesome test Great results. I'll have to get some of that ammo for sure. Thanks my friend for the great info.

[@TsunauticusIV]

I know it would be expensive. Likely difficult. Don’t know if they even make it. But… could you do some jelly testing on rifle calibers that expand and try to catch the projectile for examination? I’m thinking of expanding into the long gun market and I want to do something for self defense that has expansion but can also go long. Of course the crowd will likely yell 556/223 but I’m very interested in seeing comparisons. There may be other KZbinrs that have done this type of testing but quite honestly I don’t want to watch someone else.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've done quite a few rifle tests. Are you looking for a specific caliber?

[@TsunauticusIV]

@@ToolsandTargets OH! I will surf back through vids and find them. I don’t have any particular calibers in mind, no.

[@Aaron48219]

These are PDX IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kinda missing my g23 and CorBon DPX now.

[@michaelsanchez8457]

The win elite I have used was "tactical." It was a little slower maybe, but it was accurate, and very easy to shoot. I don't always feel I need the most speed and blast.

[@johnspink6557]

Man I am addicted to your tests, especially the 40 but I have a question, does temperature affect the hardness of the gel?

[@bbariceo]

I like HST it seems to get the job done in any caliber