BUDGET or Just Plain BAD?...Winchester vs Remington .40S&W Self-Defense AMMO Test!

[@willypp13]

Support this gentleman guys, he helps our community a ton with his research and testing

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Ali-ym8ny]

Helps me for sure special when my old lady louder Im watchin my fever Tols & Target.

[@ogbobbye]

I'm in my 60's if you think about it for 30 + years these companies have been ripping me off with this junk. before youtube we depended on ads in outdoor and gun magazines and the testing done by those same magazines who depended on those ad revenues to stay in business. I'm guessing there were guys like you doing fair and honest testing but they had no way to have there voices heard. keep doing what your doing and Merry Christmas to you.

[@joeyphillips1181]

It's easy to get into testing them yourself with water jugs

[@daviddanner-n8i]

Tools, good video !! Question: These ammo co. are not good. They should not cost more than $5.00 per 100 rounds .JIMO😮

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Both in 9mm did well enough to be trusted (Winchester a bit better in my opinion), but these forties are definitely disappointing. Sorry these rounds ruined your future tests, but I appreciate you trying these regardless.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Surprised how bad these were.

[@usernamesrlamo]

Yes the Winchester 9mm white box HP have always performed quite well. Never have seen a need to spend more for nominal better performance.

[@WarriorSoul357]

@@usernamesrlamo This kind of goes against the argument "The same technology goes into every caliber" doesn't it?

[@WarriorSoul357]

Yeah, I've seen some tests where teh whitebox stuff does ok. In 9mm. This .40 test tho... they pretty much FLUNKED.

[@johnmikel5934]

Underloaded rounds, poor bullet construction, zero quality control.

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

Thank you for the test, partner. Pretty much reinforces my opinion that unless it's a premium bullet, the 40 isn't particularly useful with the 180s. On the flip side, most 155-165 grain loads do well, even if it's not a "top shelf" load. Hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

[@richb.4374]

In my .40 pistols the 155 to 165 grain rounds always seem to perform the best also. I'm not a fan of the lighter .40 rounds or the 180's.

[@acid6urns]

the energy differences between most big name brands 40 sw in 180gr vs 165 gr is absolutely disgusting imo. most 180s barely even crack 400 ft lbs, whereas plenty of 155/165s are pushing 450+ and some well over 480-500+

[@dougcutler4948]

I'm pretty surprised with these results. The 40 is usually a great performer in any ammo series. I'll stick with HST or some higher end stuff. Thanks for the video!

[@rsbreeze]

.40 sucks tho

[@dougcutler4948]

@@rsbreeze Thanks for your insightful opinion mrsbreeze.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

​@@rsbreeze No it doesn't, with the right ammo it outperforms 9mm & 45acp. Police got the highest one shot stops with 40s&w right behind 357mag, but too many limp-wrist wimps joined law enforcement & couldn't handle it so PDs switched to 9mm.

[@deangustafson7533]

I worked for a large department. I worked many real life shooting situations and attended many autopsies. Our department used the Remington 40 S&W ammunition for two purchase cycles (about 4 years). It was law enforcement ammunition, more powerful than what was tested here. I can attest that it was absolute junk. Many times that huge cavity filler up with cloth or fat, and did not expand. FMJ would have at least penetrated. And as far as shooting through a barrier (car door) it was even worse. After the last cycle, the department purchased the Winchester LE ammunition. It performed admirably better, and proved to be a far more effective round on two legged targets. Just before I retired, the department now uses Federal HST. It is what I use in my EDC as well. Complete confidence in that ammunition.

[@JJ_SDWR]

Interesting. The WWB 9mm 147 seemed to do good and the Remington WB in 38 +P is good stuff too. Looks like they don't have the recipe quite right in 40. Good stuff

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I was surprised by these.

[@PassivePortfolios]

Hard to believe that the 147 JHP 9 mm showed any expansion. Evidently the ammo makers put in some extra effort into the R&D of the 9 mm bullets while the 180 grain JHP .40 S&W are an afterthought.

[@BatColonyEvictor]

Thanks for keeping up with 40 S&W ammo tests! So many others focus so much on just 9mm. There's a lot of us that like 40 and carry it daily.

[@HeartsOfDarkness]

Test after test and I always come back to the tried and true Federal HST. Looking forward to test in the new year. Happy Holidays.

[@furmanmackey5479]

I feel any .40S&W load is better than any 9 Minimal load. HOWEVER, I would just as soon load my faithful old Smith in .40S&W with FPFMJ rounds in the heavier bullet weights than the stuff you were kind enough to test for us. The .40S&W "sweet spot", when it comes to true defensive bullets, seems to be in the 135 to 165grn range with my personal preference being 155grn. If I were to go with a 185grn load for personal defense, I'd have to break out a pistol in .45ACP. I must say though, that I'm more convinced than ever that the various major (best known/recognized) ammunition manufacturers are downloading all handgun ammo regardless of caliber even some of, if not all, the once mighty magnum calibers. Thanks for yet another excellent video and The Lovely Bride and I wish you and yours a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Speaking of which, don't forget those turnip greens and black-eyed peas.

[@effeojnedib7208]

Thanks for your test and sharing. 20 and 30 years ago, I had problems with Remington rifle ammo, but Winchester seemed to perform much better, both on whitetails. With the way these both performed in 180 grain .40, FMJ would do about as well.

[@Mbartel500]

In a full size Glock, that ammo should be hitting 1050-1075 fps. But even if it was going that fast, I don't think either one of those loads would open up like they are supposed to.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they sure didn't get it right this time.😆

[@rsbreeze]

Full sized Glock has left the chat!

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Had high hopes for these “budget” rounds. Very disappointing as I’ve always liked the 40 cal. Thanks for the jelly test Tools, and have a Merry Christmas!

[@edaddy98]

Thanks!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir! Appreciate that.😎👊

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good video 👍 Your test showed us that both these bullets performed like an FMJ bullet.

[@g54b95]

'Fail Fest' I'm gonna have to remember that one. Thanks for all the hard work you do, brother! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

[@Brad1237202]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video for us Brother!! Love that hat!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@BEFOREANDAFTERCONSTRUCTION]

Never miss a video. Best ballistic gel tests on KZbin. No bs atraight to the point thank you. I would love to see a video of black hills 5.56 62gr dual performance and drt 223 79 grain elite performance. A buddy of mine is a big hunter and swears by that drt round love to see how that stacks up to your traditional hollow point. Thanks for all the great content

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Well, both ammo’s have stuck out. Game over. I was wondering about those HP’s in the standard white boxes. Was thinking exactly what happened in the test. Not worth the HP price difference. Thanks for the 100% spot on testing and commentary. Very interesting. I shoot jugs of water with those and some steel. Be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@bdub0983]

Hey man, idk if you take any requests, but I'd like to see any 9mm pcc at 100 yards hollow point in gel. I want to see if they'll expand at 100 yards. Ive looked it up and can't find a shred of information. Maybe try something premium and something budget friendly as far as ammo goes. But I wanna know if that extra velocity will allow the rounds to be at the speed they need to for expansion at 100 yards. Thanks again man, love your channel. Been a subscriber for years.

[@chretired]

Pitifull results Tools. This is getting to be like going to the grocery store, higher prices for less quantity. Manufactures, load the round to its potential and make sure it performs the way it should or don't make it at all. Merry Christmas Tools. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. You too!💥🎄💥

[@SteveBrownBrownSupportKY]

Very shocked that both had bad results, but glad I have your tests as references to help my customers.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I expected decent stuff from these. Merry Christmas, brother!💥🎄💥

[@SteveBrownBrownSupportKY]

@@ToolsandTargets Merry Christmas!!!

[@dainearmstrong4598]

I had bought some winchester white 40 s&w yrs ago for my first ccw. They were hollow point and cheap so i thought why not. Decided to test them out on some expired turkey, hog head, and brisket. Was very disappointed, the entire box of 50 only 4 expanded a moderate amount. The rest just pushed the hollow to an oval shape and tumbled. Watching these videos and testing myself I've decided HST, Critical Duty, and Gold Dot are my go to for edc for more common off the shelf ammo. Lehigh, underwood, and Buffalo bore for less common.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Shame they got these so wrong.

[@garygates5679]

THANK YOU TOOL ..!!!! YOU SHOW ME WHY I SHOOT ""40 PUNCH "" ...!!!!! GREAT VIDEO ..!!!!!

[@richardpetervonrahden6393]

Thank you for the solid tests. The radar chrony is a great feature of your videos. Thanks for highlighting bad as well as good products.

[@michaelbarfield528]

Great review! As you implied...Budget and Bad!! Although great for practice/training despite the personal protection advertisement on the box....👍👍👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@MrSumGuns]

Thanks for doing all these 40 tests as that is what I carry and every manufacturer has made this round the red headed step child. Great video as always!

[@erichanson7293]

Thanks for testing these. I have no experience with the Remington load in 40 S&W, but I am familiar with the Winchester load and have tested it out of a Glock 23 in clear ballistics gel using the FBI thick clothing protocol. It got 15.75 " of penetration and expanded to 0.71" at 983 FPS. To me, that's more than acceptable performance. I'm just an amateur bullet tester and don't have videos and probably never will; guys like you do such a good job of covering the subject. Occasionally, i come across a test like this that contradicts my own testing of a particular load and I wonder what the heck? Based on your results, I would never carry them. Based on mine, I would if I could not get Golden Sabers or HSTs or Gold Dots. I think I read on a forum that some Police departments used these to good effect while they were issuing the .40. Makes me wonder what has changed.

[@djangofreeman9382]

Nice test Tools you absolutely rock Man!!! I’m surprised to see the .40 did so terrible. After watching some of your older vids last week I did a 9mm 115 white box JHP test and they performed pretty good. Only 11” of penetration but decent .58 caliber expansion… I know they make bigger and more powerful calibers than 9mm but it just seems that most loads chambered in “Nina” work better🤔💭

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@johnw4999]

I appreciate the lab radar as I’m probably the only one who wants to know the internal and external ballistics of a bullet throughout the effective range of it. Even for defense, we’ve seen justified 40+ yd scenarios. Most are close range, but never know. Train accordingly.

[@deejayimm]

These tests never cease to impress me. When I was younger, I would never have though it possible that a slower round would penetrate farther than a faster round. Bullets do weird things.

[@dxcreetegr7066]

Thanks for the useful input tools looks like I will keep using my favorite so far 165g V crown’s❤

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@get_it_done4580]

100%. I use the 180 grn though for my EDC

[@kimness7796]

Nice test, thanks! Just bought 4 boxes of Fed HST 165's at $29 ea. I think they work.

[@allenbolen9705]

Definitely like seeing the short barrel tested with the 4 inch! Pitiful performance!🤯

[@ToolsandTargets]

Bad stuff.

[@tommylitchfield3450]

This was a big surprise to me. I haven't tried the UMC JHP, but I have shot both 115 and 147 WWB in 9mm and in water jugs, both rounds expanded very well. The 147s had some odd, lop-sided expansion in one round, but it still expanded to at least .425 to .450 in the poorest performing round. They definitely dropped the ball on these .40s for sure! Maybe the bullets were designed for 10mm back in the good ol days of HOT 10mms, but it sure seems odd for both companies to fail the same way.... This just goes to show how valuable good testing like this is for every round. It is clearly a mistake to believe that if one round does well in one caliber, then it should perform equally well in another caliber like you might think. Thanks, Tools for doing these eye opening tests. Who woulda thunk it, that both companies would sell such poor performers! These look like them green box Sierras in 9mm from the ammo crunch days a couple of years ago.

[@bisleyblackhawk1288]

Your channel has the best ammunition content on the Tube Of You…Merry Christmas to you and yours 😊😊😊

[@marksini3598]

Nice work as usual. Love your vids

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

7:00 in I was expecting you to mag dump into the gel in hopes of getting one to stay in the block :D

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sometimes I have to fight the urge.😆😆😆

[@johnnymccann5607]

so often you have proved not all hp ammunition is equal. although I rarely buy factory ammunition your honest tests all me to not waste my money reload ing those bullets. like you I don't want failure bullets. thank you so much for your tests. Papa wishing you well 😊

[@paulmo-we1mw]

Hey Tools, Winchester white box is good stuff. Better than having nothing at all. Keep up the good work Sir! 💥💥💥👍👍👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

They sure didn't do the job this time around.😆

[@gbart7857]

They went "bang" and would have stopped a threat. There is better, more consistently expanding ammo out there (for a price), but this punched holes in the gel.

[@WarriorSoul357]

I mean... a hole in somebody is a hole in somebody. And while I know it's frustrating as can be in your gel blocks, I'd almost be willing to take a bit of that side travel inside of a bad guy. But with that much penetration as those were getting, it makes it a lot more dangerous to things behind or beside the bad guy. Really revealing test on this one, Tools. Sorry for your brand new blocks, but considering how bad these rounds were, it's really good to know that they don't work as they should. Particularly when they're in the range of better ammunition prices.

[@noelflow-uy6ev]

I thought the results would’ve been better, but enough said with the results… Thanks for the testing, no second guessing on these ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@JR-yn4cu]

You haven’t done tests with Norma’s Safeguard ammunition before have you? They are more of a traditional JHP, not their MHP. I’m seeing some boxes of 50 for around $20 right now, so I’m sure it’s probably not the best defensive ammunition. Anyways thanks for doing what you do. You and the great Paul Harrell are the only ones I watch for actual, non-biased, ballistics tests. 👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll have to take a look.😎👊

[@jamesheath1836]

I like the intro into the UMC chrono. Please Glock 27, and thank as always Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@billss396]

I have both these rounds. FMJs with HP prices.

[@deletdis6173]

Crazy how much better the 9mm defensive ammunition seems in budget brands when compared to .40 S&W. Interesting.

[@Dwayne7834]

Good test. Ammo certainly isn’t one that I would carry. Thanks for the video and Merry Christmas to you and your family. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

[@jimheatherton7155]

I’ve tested the wwb in my G-22 in meat targets and it did really well. Pork loin and pork ribs watermelon middle then ribs n loin on back. Expanded little over 600 thousand. And kept jacket. I never tested umc. I don’t do gel tests meat n bones. I’d try them again in a different target.

[@ToolsandTargets]

These tests are all set up identical to compare rounds against other rounds. These things did absolutely horrible compared to nearly every other .40S&W round I have tested. I don't need to shoot Sunday dinner to know they are trash.

[@themoe6701]

Good job, sir! Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[@ToolsandTargets]

You too, my friend!💥🎄💥

[@hks956]

WWB is the only ammo I regularly see that has bad rounds. Bad primers I dont know but sometimes those bullets just dont shoot in all sorts of guns and they look fine on inspection. Been that way for my 25 years experience of shooting at the range.

[@Zombie_Xin]

Just saw Winchester white box 40 S&W for $38 a box and Federal HST for $29 on target sports USA. This is wild.

[@rockin870]

I would assume that Remington is using a faster powder, hence the harsher recoil impulse, while having lower velocity. Nosler jhps are my go to for "budget" stockplie loading. Accurate as can be and opens through denim. For serious use/carry, loading HSTs for sure....definitely the gold standard.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Would make sense.😎👊

[@deenell9039]

I try to stay away from narrow pointed hollows. Especially in .40 s&w. Wide cavity low grain rounds is the way to go.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Looks like its plinking ammo, good test / bad results. Glad to see a video since its been a few days and I was hoping you was ok. Have a Merry Christmas

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Merry Christmas!

[@mozzberg590]

While a G27 would make sense, the G22 is far more common in night stands and glove boxes (like my night stand).

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@adamthomson2873]

Excellent review. Thanks

[@gwidwock]

I enjoyed the video. Surprised on the bad performance. Maybe a bad lot? Hard to believe 40 S&W performed like that.

[@deadmeat8754]

Your Australian accent was so thick I couldn't understand a word you were saying, but numbers don't need translation. Thank you for the tests! A lot of the "budget" JHP are really just marketing gimmicks that use less effective bullet designs and materials. As you noted, it's hard to mess up a 40 S&W load, but both of these companies managed to do it with the ammunition you tested. +1 & subscribed. G'day, M8 😉

[@ToolsandTargets]

Australia is the first guess everyone makes!😉

[@OldTimeRevolver]

The "Quest for the Best" jelly time continues. Merry Christmas Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

[@edwardbiasi37]

That's crazy! Both those rounds did very well in 9mm and 45acp! Poor, poor 40s&w

[@FirstLastt]

What’s poor about 40s&w

[@tubbyshvfd9110]

Merry Christmas Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Same to you!💥🎄💥

[@DeadCenterReviews]

Awesome video as always. Thank you for putting in the work for all of us. Do you have a video testing Winchester defender elite in 38+p? How do we go about sending you stuff to test? Thanks again and have a wonderful Christmas.

[@charlesmckinley29]

Tools saving us money again! Might as well run FMJ if you get FMJ performance.

[@mortsims]

i enjoy your videos. when it comes to these bullets it really doesn't matter about performance. if you shoot someone center mass with either bullet the person is going to have a very bad day. many people are killed with a 22.

[@3rdpig]

I was expecting it to perform as good or better than the 9mm versions. These shouldn't be any more expensive than their FMJ offerings as it's little more than range or training ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here.

[@BulletsB4Guns_2A]

Battle of the standards... Cool video Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@ricklastname9427]

This is why i use the sinterfire special duty in 40s&w

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@147CombatMedic]

The "budget" 40s saw that nice clean block and then those "snappy" (insert eyeroll here) became just plain spiteful. 😢 Thanks for vid and getting the word out on these! 👍

[@TopoftheHill7484]

I have a Taurus G2C .40 s&w, I'd love to know what performed in it, right now it's loaded with 165 gr Federal Punch. My wife has and old s&w model 411 in 40 s&w and that old gun shoots anything and accurately.

[@gsw313]

I am surprised as i have tested both through a springfield xds 3.3 and they both peal back completely covering the base . But thats why you have to check you loads . I have tested hst and ranger as well with great results. The one load that has completely sucked for me is critical defense 40s&w that supposedly works through short barrels.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@kevanhubbard9673]

Looks like you have a mixture of Cirrius and Cirrocumulus way above your head.High pressure therefore good shooting weather!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥☁☁💥

[@1buzzardmuzik]

You used to could get ANY 40 s&w and you was good. What happened with these two main namebrands. Thanks for vids!

[@garrettschienschang7898]

With how good the 9mm, 357, and 38 variations of these do I’m disappointed. Hopefully I can find you did a 45 test and see how those do.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Haven't done the .45 yet but will be soon.😎👍

[@garrettschienschang7898]

@@ToolsandTargets also merry Christmas

[@Rampant_Colt]

Fun fact: the Winchester USA ammo is the original .40 S&W cartridge

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@myglide58]

I remember them days when performance was high and price was low, seems like the high and low have traded places.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sad, but true.

[@cousinvinnie2180]

Excellent test and results....Thank you for your time and efforts making these presentations.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Another good ammo testing video Boom I really like watching them Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@Paladin1873]

Would it kill ammo maker to list average velocities out of 2", 3", 4", and 5" pistols?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Drives me nuts.😆

[@steelpunisher6944]

Well it sucks that they did so poorly. You gave them every chance possible but every time you fired I was cracking up seeing it fly out the side and top. You kept your composure well my friend lol. I would’ve been cussing and ranting 😂. I have both of these so range fun they are. Awesome video as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

There was quite a bit of editing out "colorful" language.😆😆😆

[@dennispresley6994]

man i love your videos . i have a sig 2022 40 cal have never seen it tested .i love it .hope to see you try it out

[@danielgreene7987]

Awesome video brother! Looks like those two rounds are not full power .40 S&W !😂😂😂

[@rangetime6779]

As you said both didn't perform. Might as well buy cheaper FMJ for practice and high end bullets for defense.

[@leroycaudill96]

Don't look too good Tools would not buy but good test Tools you and the Mrs. have a blessed and Merry Christmas.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. You too! 💥🎄💥

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

perspective. wwb @ 413 ft-lbs is gonna hurt. that being said, better ammo for less money is the winning call.

[@raybo34]

What a hot mess. I was going ask for a short barrel test but like you said, there is no need. I have a box of the white box I bought several years ago for like $15 at Wally World. I was carrying them, not anymore. They're range ammo now. I was gonna try a box of the UMC because good JHPs are high as heck and slim pickins. I'd run flat nose before running those. Sad because the 9mm wasn't that bad. I'd run the 9mm if that's all I had.

[@realistb8875]

Merry Christmas cowboy 🤠 to you and your family 🎄

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

[@radomguy9678]

I have not read other comments but I have to wonder if something is going on with the barrel of your Glock 22. It seems far too coincidental for both bullets to spin off target like that. Especially since Remington is a Vista Outdoors company using vista outdoors bullets, and the Winchester use’s Winchester/Olin bullets. In other words, they use different bullets. I would say that this warrants another test, maybe using an FMJ RN or FP bullet from that Glock. Actually my first thought was that I was wondering if something was off with that particular batch of ballistic gel. Maybe that sounds silly, but again, it’s just too much of a coincidence that both brands of ammo with their respective bullets performed almost exactly the same, irregularly.

[@toddparsons2980]

Thanks for the test.

[@curtk8130]

Sucks because white box 40sw is solid range ammo in fmj. The performance is fine I just think it’s a crappy jhp.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, bullet seems to be the problem to me.

[@twistedfocus]

Hey look, it’s what most manufacturers think 10mm is! 😂

[@rjw261984]

Damn, thats pitiful. Those are some expensive target rounds. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes indeed.😆

[@anton1949]

Win. white box really are snappy.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@765outdoors]

Shocked with the wwb, I just shot one in water jugs a few days ago and it even fragmented. Have you thought about about trying some of these fails in organic gel?

[@joeyphillips1181]

I still think 40 is a more potent round than 9mm.. it all just comes down to ammo choice.. a 165 grain HST in 40 still opens up like twice as much as a 9mm HST or gold dot.. out of all the personal tests i have done that 165 grain HST opened up bigger than anything.. even 10mm HST & some 45 ACP loads & 9mm gold dots & HST's.. every caliber has ammo that doesn't work like it should i wouldn't hold that against the caliber but hold it against these companies for not loading the ammo right with good projectiles.. and every once in awhile you will find a budget option that does work and thats awesome when you can but thats not always gonna be the case so the high end stuff should still always be your 1st choice

[@dachurl87]

Thank you

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Most eXcellent my dude! Thanks for the share!!

[@mayorhaggar1275]

With flat points, you shouldn't need hollow points as much.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Cr0wmagnum]

Better than nothing. If you get them cheap enough, then use that stuff for functioning and reliability testing. I thought surly that U.M.C would do ok.

[@joeyphillips1181]

You can tell the Remington didn't expand but the wound channel on the Winchester looked like they expanded but they didn't lol thats weird.. at least I haven't bought any of that stuff in 40

[@PassivePortfolios]

Bullet failure ! This is why the law enforcement agencies which still use the .40 S&W (but many are dropping it in favor of 9 mm) are using the lighter weight 155-165 grain bullets. Those lighter bullets at higher velocity have better expansion. The 180s are too slow to expand. Thanks for another excellent test.