Let's Put 'Em On A Diet!....Remington Golden Saber 185 Grain, .45 Auto Self-Defense Ammo!

Testing the 185 grain Remington Golden Saber in .45 ACP. Can they succeed where the 230 grain failed? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Rock Island Armory and Taurus Commander 1911.
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[@grantorino2009]

The 185 Saber has long been known to be a heckuva round in the +P from a 5 inch. The standard pressure ain't half bad. I carry the +P in my Shield .45. Good stuff. Side note: The Arkansas State Police used the 230 Saber .45 for years & won MANY gunfights with that round. Seems to work better in felons than in gel. 😁

[@Texas2Step79]

Now they went back to 9mm Glock 45 I believe... correct me if I'm wrong..

[@robwilson3749]

Arkansas State Police were likely using the non bonded original 230 Golden Saber, hence winning many gunfights because it works.

[@Stoptheliars]

I want to know what it could do with a 8-9” barrel.

[@ariesmight6978]

​@@Stoptheliars Now you are talking revolver for the most part.

[@chrisbrown2627]

The bonded bullets are new production. The older bullets in golden saber were proven performers but had a chance of core jacket separation and so they went bonded. They will have to tweak the 230 grain bullets so they open properly.

[@ShadowForge762]

The 4.25'' results makes me think of the joke "9mm might not expand, but .45 will never shrink"

[@ToolsandTargets]

Mhmm

[@Dennisthemenace40]

The 185’s are definitely the way to go. I remember some time back reading an article by Massad Ayoob where he recommended the Golden Saber +P 185 gr. The bonded version did not yet exist. This was after he had tested them in a slaughter house. The difference in the animal’s reaction and the amount of tissue destruction by these and other rounds tested was like night and day. Something to consider.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@andywilson8698]

Yeah 185gr +p tend to do really well!!!

[@hu3.789]

Another advantage of using the 185-grain bullet is there is considerably less recoil. In a full-size pistol, recoil isn't as much of an issue. However, if you're shooting a Kahr CW45 that weighs 19.7 ounces, shooting the lighter bullet makes the gun much more enjoyable to shoot. Since expanding hollow points are velocity based, you're much more likely to reach the expansion threshold when shooting a lighter bullet out of a shorter barrel gun. A 185-grain bullet traveling 950-1000 fps will give the desired result in most cases. A 9mm 147 grain bullet will provide similar velocities as the 45 caliber 185 grain bullet. However, the 45 caliber bullet will provide about 20% more muzzle energy and make a larger wound channel.

[@MC-uj4co]

I have a nice stock of the 185+ P 45acp

[@hoffpbass]

I've got mostly 230 grain XDefs loaded but I have some of those 210 grain Hydro Shock Deeps loaded in the same Commander you have. Both of those rounds have tested better than these Golden Sabers, unfortunately. It's a round I really wanted to like, but I will now avoid. You've done your 2A civic duty once again, Tools 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@chretired]

Interesting results Tools. After the disaster of those 230's I didn't expect much out of these 185's. So I was a bit surprised they did as good as they did. The 5" barrel seems to be the sweet spot for the 185's with perfect performance. Just goes to show that ammo can fluctuate widely from weight and barrel length. Have a great weekend Tools. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. The long barrel definitely helps .45acp act right. Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@robwilson3749]

185 bonded rounds in some cases but the non bonded version of this in standard pressure usually comes up shallow in penetration from 5" barrels, as do other brands of non bonded 185's out of 5" barrels.

[@lestergillis8171]

​@@ToolsandTargetsWhere DO you buy your gel blocks from...?🤔

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@lestergillis8171 Clear Ballistics

[@lestergillis8171]

@@ToolsandTargets When "my rich uncle gets out of the poor house" I would like to buy some. 😉

[@Mbartel500]

Never was a golden saber fan. The HST and gold dot projectiles have set the bar so high, that I just can't trust anything that doesn't perform as well as those two. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the regular golden sabers do better than the bonded ones.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the regular ones seem to be good stuff.

[@robwilson3749]

Well in 230 grain at least, the non bonded version works better.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The Speer Gold Dot 200 grain +P is supposed to be the top dog when it comes to 45 ACP expansion and penetration. Widely used in law enforcement agencies. But as your test showed, the Remington Golden Saber 185 grain JHP is a perfectly fine non +P option. Would be interesting to test the Winchester 185 grain Silvertip as well.

[@camojoe83]

The old Hornady TAP 200g +p was one of the best factory offerings ever. Something real good about those 200gr class hollow points

[@1erinjames]

The 1911 is just such a classic thing of beauty!! Great tests Tools!! Have a great weekend :)

[@1erinjames]

Curious about Fort Scott Munitions. I'd send it if I could afford it. Have you played with any of those? What's your take on em?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you ma'am. You too!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I tested it in a couple of calibers a while back maybe 9mm and .45acp actually. I personally think they act like an expensive, possibly more predictable, fmj. I wouldn't personally buy em, but they would definitely work.

[@1erinjames]

@@ToolsandTargets I missed your review of them. Or I forgot I watched it. Lmao!! I will have to scroll and find it. Been wondering if the rifle calibers are as great as advertised, but certainly not enuf curiosity to put out that kind of money. Thank you Tools!

[@delles1548]

Another good vid. I've been handloading the GS non-bonded in 185 and 230gr since the early 90's, and for personal defense, I have a preference for the 185gr in a +P load at 1,100fps in my 5" pistols and nearly 1,050fps in my 4" XD's. I get penetration in the 14-16 inch range with excellent expansion.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Good morning Sir . Happy Saturday….those 1911s have nice dull slides and frames. I don’t like the glossy ones…those projectiles aren’t as pretty at the others but they’d get the job done …great test Sir , great science and a beautiful sunny clear day down on the prison island 07:50 am

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I do have a fancy 1911 I haven't even shot yet or done a video on.😉

[@chrisbrooks4305]

We need some jelly time approved stickers on ammo In stores.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Good to see the descent performance. Really like how you moved the Chrono up to the Gel impact point speed. You can see how close it is or isn’t from the average. Good move. Don’t have anything in .45ACP. Good test and commentary. Thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jmichaelcarbonniere9549]

Great test, Brian! This shows why I always choose a lighter for caliber bullet in all of my hand guns! It also shows why I much prefer the bonded bullets and +P ammo for back up to my normal Lehigh bullets! The extra velocity gives the bullets just a tiny bit better chance of working over the usual watered down factory ammo that everyone seems to be putting out these days. A 185 gr bullet from a 45 ACP should be in the neighbourhood of 1100 fps, not 1000 or under! The bonded bullets should be tough enough to handle that velocity as well. The Golden Sabers did ok in your tests but I think these might be a little lite in the construction department, as well as going too slow. Now if Remington will sell the bullets as components....(you won't see me holding my breath for that!). Your new set up is great! The lab radar is great and I like that you have your old chrony set up for the gel shots. Not knowing if you get one of the lower velocity rounds can really screw over the test results! Not that there's anything to be done about it in a gunfight! Another reason I prefer my hand loads in most cases. I also think you should stay with the heavy clothing, since if the bullet works with the barrier, it will certainly work without it! Keep up the great work, I recommend your channel to everyone that will listen! Cheers, jc

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you, bigtime!😎👊

[@petersuarez651]

Great testing. Gold Dots 230 gr for me. Out of a "4 S&W M&P

[@LuckyDog350X]

A lot of people swear by the 230 grainers in .45 that it is the gold standard, anything else is sacrilegious but as we all see in this case just not so. I had seen many comment on the last test that the 185 grainers are a better option. Perfect example of why your tests are so valuable. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. The lighter one was definitely better in this case.😎👊

[@robwilson3749]

That's because most people become emotionally vested in their caliber and carry load wives tales and so they lose the ability to remain objective on the matter, in so far as they ever really were. If I've been using Allstate to insure my car for the last 30 years while paying my bill robotically every month for those 30 years like a horse with blinders on and have never had cause to make a claim and have never shopped for any other coverage in all that time, I might be prone to tell you that my insurance coverage is the best and that anything else anyone else is selling is substandard. Why? It's what I know. It's all I know, but it's "what I know." I think that's where a lot of this sacrilegious and self righteous indignation business comes from in guns and ammo. I should know after all; I used to be one of those guys.

[@BlakeHouse-j3u]

I dunno about that . In the '80s I carried OG Flying Ashtrays and 185 +P . But once the 230 Hydra Shok had been out for a while and racked up excellent real world results , I reconsidered and switched .

[@michaelsherfield3749]

I'm new to 45s. I've heard they are picky on ammo and figured it would be better to stick with the original projectile weight. I regret that decision. With my ranger t series and my golden sabers. Both are great out of a .40.

[@billdye3530]

Figured the 185s being faster might be better but did perform better than I thought. Loving the Lab Radar info. Surprised on SD speeds with 33 on the 4.25in & only 7 on the 5in. Looking good for the 185s. 👍 Hint : Bronze vs Gold 1 yr ago. Gold wore it out but how many tables since then? 😂😂😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

I still have the original table as a backup too. I keep everything.😆😆😆 I guess maybe that little extra barrel gave the powder time to burn more.🤷‍♂️

[@billdye3530]

​​@@ToolsandTargetshen I checked history 1st thing I checked was Hi Point carbine but wasn't it 😂😂. Looked good against PMC Bronze I've used the 185gr sjhp rounds I was carrying but have Steinel 185 hp in now. Remingtons are good option. 💥

[@chrisbrown2627]

The other thing you would have to take into consideration is rib cages. What will they do after going through clothing and into skin and then ribs.

[@camojoe83]

Some bullets don't do gel tests. These things are great on deer. Especially the +p 185gr loading. The jacket reliably comes off and makes a huge independent wound channel and the core almost always exits the animal or catches under the far side skin.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Another great test. The chrono right up on the gel was definitely a great idea.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@steelpunisher6944]

Not too bad. They’d get the job done but I’m one that likes heavy for caliber. There are some great performers out there. I just won’t get this one in 185 or 230gr. Getting great info out one test at a time. Great job as always my friend. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Defenze]

Thanks Tools for the test. I have carried the 185's for sometime but had never really seen a good test done for them. I suppose the lighter bullet makes for a better projectile. Keep up the good work. I sincerely enjoy your videos. Always unbiased and full of down to earth humor. Will continue to watch. Peace out.

[@anangryranger]

Well done!👍 I always appreciate your dedication and hard work on all your testing and evaluations. You really go all out and get 'er done!👍 I recall saying in the 230grHP test, a 185grHP has the speed to expand😏 Reckon I did learn some in the six decades of shooting, huh? 😆

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 😎👊

[@rjw261984]

Fat Camp definitely made a difference for these rounds 😂. Appreciate you Tools. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@palerider7171]

Well that’s better … still staying with the 230 P+ Underwood’s but good to know! Thanks for sharing!

[@cw2a]

I used ta love these in 45 acp +p. Back when they was released. I shot two deer and a couple pigs with. In my Marlin Camp Carbine.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🦌🦌🐗🐗💥

[@Half-Fizzbin]

Thank you for the video. I would like to see you do more 45 ACP ammo tests with a short barrel pistol such as the one you mentioned borrowing or a Springfield XD-S or a Shield 45. Those short 3.3 inch barrels can be a challenge in regards to finding adequate performing 45 defensive ammo. Of course for such short 45 ACP barrels one could use the solid copper Lehigh projectiles used in ammo such as Underwood Xtreme Defender or Black Hills HoneyBadger. Thanks again!

[@jeffb5733]

Stay with the cloth set up. In most cases, in self-defense cases the burglar isn't robbing homes naked. 😂😂😂.

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Key words "most cases" LOL

[@ToolsandTargets]

There's some crazy ones out there!

[@robwilson3749]

If he is, be prepared for a long night.

[@sirdanoman]

That was my first carry round as a young man except with the added the +P. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@johnnymccann5607]

I was looking for my last 45 acp chronograph records but don't know where I put them.but in my Taurus pt845in 45 acp in4 1/4 barrel 1156 or 1167 fps with 185 gr xtp, plus p and 45 super brass. Longshot and power pistol powder. hardly any flatting primers. great expansion . wonderful video. papa😊

[@cliffwatson9698]

Great video love the 1911 platform. I own one in 45 and one in 9mm

[@cgsimons1187]

It was interesting catching the unexpected high velocity from the shorter barrel and the lower velocity from the longer barrel during the gel test. These performed better than the heavier bonded Golden Sabers for sure. IMHO they should have stayed with the original(non-bonded) design. Those 230gr bullets would reliably expand to a diameter greater than 0.7 and reach an ideal depth. The slight jacket separation was a minor issue compared to now having bullets that fail to expand.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. The non-bonded did great.

[@chrisw2907]

Thanks for the test. I run 185 Gold dots standard pressure. But have carried 230 golden saber in the past. When carrying a 45 cal sub compact 185 gn is the only way to go in my opinion.

[@balancedfordaylight1]

from what I have seen the non bonded golden sabres tend to expand more reliably than the bonded ones this is true for the 230 and the 185 ...........

[@robwilson3749]

I concur wholly.

[@BBEEAATTNNGGUU]

Love the .45 acp tests! Thank you!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@timrobinson6573]

180 grain 40's and 45's @1,000 fps give good performance. Maybe that can be a test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@SomebodysNephew]

Good video. Some beautiful 1911s chambered in the Lord's caliber.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@MarkSperlik]

"....The Lord's caliber"---- Amen, brother ------ I love it! 👍⚔️✝️

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍definitely better than the 230s……thanks Tools

[@josephpacchetti5997]

If I had a tool in that caliber, I'd be running the Federal 230gr +P HST, Thanks for posting and have a great weekend. 👍 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. You too!😎👊

[@Bob-lq9ys]

I shot my sons 45 acp today, very nice shooting rock Island, I agree they would get the job done

[@raybo34]

Nice test. Chrono at the jelly does help tell the story on performance. I guess sometime heavier isn't better. They did pretty good though not consistent.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@BlakeHouse-j3u]

Well;, let's just say that previous one wasn't representive of 230 jhp as a class .

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Glad it isn't a failure. Nobody wins if expensive self defense ammo fails to perform. Interesting velocity shift. The slower velocity performance was better. Interesting. Thank you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. Lord knows I have enough target rounds.😆

[@johncoleman2495]

Another load ive been very interested in! I use the non bonded 185gr +p in my officers model. I forget what the velocity was it was so long ago. That bullet was extremely frangible from a 5" gun and penetration wasnt enough to be a good carry load but it works very well in the 3 1/4" barrel. The only other load i found the worked well in that gun was the old Corbon 200gr +p. Im drawing a blank on the bullet mfg but it was referred to as "the flying ashtray"

[@rsbreeze]

Good stuff! 185g is moving nicely! I run 185g in my 3 inch and 230g in my 5 inch 1911.......Gold Dot of course!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely improved over the heavy ones.

[@leroycaudill96]

Did better than I thought they would good test tools.

[@alexskillz45]

Good info. I just stick to the fluted with .45 now. Seems to me like .45 benefits more from fluted rounds than the smaller calibers, like they were made for each other.

[@robertseafield5810]

Good video. You can add a 5 inch barrel to the Commander sized 1911. It has to be made for the Commander as it is a bit different.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Kaelland]

I know it's not a 10mm video, but it's fun to do comparisons, so: Out of the 4", V50 averaged 900 FPS, and Ke50 averaged 323 energy foot pounds. Out of the 5", V50 averaged 965 FPS, and Ke50 averaged 413 energy foot pounds. For 10mm to meet design specs, a 200-grain bullet would have to have a V50 of at least 1,000 fps and a Ke50 of at least 444 energy foot pounds when fired from a 5" gun. Keep in mind, that's "at least," not "on average." For a 185 grain .45 ACP to make that same Ke50 of 444 energy foot pounds, it would have to have a V50 of 1040 feet per second.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@dannytravis7118]

I like the Hornady critical defense 185 ftx bullets for my 1911 45acp. I have a ruger 1911 comander length barrel

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Mikelp73]

Man I’m going to shoehorn here, picked up my Phoenix hp25 today. Can’t wait tbh it’s pretty neat. Don’t mind the quality can’t wait to plink tomorrow

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. I actually just opened a box of bullets in .25 that I ordered just to have.😎👍

[@CarolinaRimfire]

They say rock islands are only meant for 230gr ball, but yours seems to feed jhps just fine! Have you had any trouble with it at all? Thanks for the great test, as always!!

[@Isaac_5.56x45]

I've also heard that from someone who owns one that says rock islands don't always feed HP's well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not one single issue with any of the ammo I've tested.😎👊

[@BlakeHouse-j3u]

Well , for many years , the Philippines mfg 1911 were rather haphazard In their dimensional consistency and Steel quality .Around 2010 - ish , they had seriously stepped up their manufacturing consistency and QC . Alas , not long afterwards, the also good bang for buck Turkish mfg 1911 began being imported in quality, and took a big chunk of the market niche ( cheap 1911 that don't suck ) , that Rock Island had hoped to take over .

[@CarolinaRimfire]

@@BlakeHouse-j3u I bought a Tisas late last year, and while it has some nicer features for a little less money, it doesn't work nearly as well as my RIA. If I were in the market for another budget 1911, I'd probably go RIA. I'm happy with mine, and it feeds JHPs just fine now that it's far past the break in period.

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

January 2022, .45 ACP PMC Bronze vs. Golden Saber 185's, no clothing barrier.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I knew I had tested them.😆

[@materferguson]

It would have been interesting to see a shot out of the 5" closer to the 1016 average speed, so we could see if it lost mass like the 4" did. Also I know your using the F.B.I. periodical but, it seem to me that most bad guy you see on TV are wearing hoodies so maybe the cloth material should be one layer of sweatshirt, one layer of flannel and a layer of cotton tee-shirt. Not complaining tho, just stuff that pops in my head. Keep up the good work, Thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 😎👊

[@mikebrown9997]

Love your tests. That new radar works great. You are the best reviewer of ammo on youtube. So much more info than anyone else. God bless brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@armorist6570]

“Speed. Speed and power. It fixes, everything” -Jeremy Clarkson

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@BlakeHouse-j3u]

Ehh . Reliability, speed , power , and accuracy. Other than Reliability being #1 , feel free to debate the order of the other three .

[@DRAGONRIDER385]

Thanks for the test. They for sure did better than the 230's. 🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir.😎👊

[@jardinero9112]

Thanks Mr. Tools

[@A_Brit]

Thanks for testing these. I wouldnt say they did poorly, but i did expect more going 1000 fps

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@l.a.3887]

Excellent job from the 185 and ofcourse a great job from Tools pretty cool 😎👍👌

[@danielaramburo7648]

Very impressive.

[@Texas2Step79]

Just got sig 320 compact. 45 .. 3.6 barrel so I'm on the hunt for a good performer out of short barrel..

[@poisonPpaully]

I’m really liking that doppler radar system

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely gives some cool stuff to compare.

[@johngregory4801]

I have yet to see the GS Bonded bullets perform consistently in a demin/gel test. If anything, the original non-bonded Golden Sabers perform better in every test, jacket separation notwithstanding. I'm hoping the new-gen Golden Saber Defense rounds are the original non-bonded bullets.

[@kevinramsey3490]

I carry those in factory +p in my 3" Defender sometimes.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Never hurts to have some more power.😎👊

[@silverhorder1969]

I wish more 10mm were available in 3” and 4” commander size 1911’s. That would be a much better configuration for this platform, and I’m confused as to why they’re not available.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Decent performance even out of the shorter barrel without complete expansion. I’d use them if I run out of HST. Thanks for another jelly test Tools!

[@wheeler71]

Thx for your continuing work 👍🎯 i wonder why performance varies especially when one enterprise owns so many manufacturers 🧐 carry on 🔫 🇺🇲

[@Mack5749]

Thanks looking for a 45, 4 & 1/4" barrel load. Leaning towards the underwood defender. Enjoy your vids

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@thomasosteen6027]

Thanks for the tests because I have some of this ammo, Take care

[@828enigma6]

It'd work for me. Like to see it from a 3 1/4. barrel. Wish you could find some of the original Super Vel in 185.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@leslieshepperd9850]

Have you tried the 165 grain Hydra Shock from Federal? Maybe that would be the "Sweet Spot " ? Especially in the shorter barrels... Maybe... Another great test! Thanks 😊

[@TommyboyGTP]

I've got to shoot Speer Gold Dot 200 grain +P .45's and that was a nice round. Hope you can find a box or two of those! They were in the leo packaged 50 round boxes so they're out there if you look for them

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll have to check that out.😎👍

[@ctsnider88]

Another great tools test.

[@cadencero5313]

I would not buy them, but if I had them I'd feel safe enough. After all they were 45 rounds.

[@mesauer]

The standard deviation in that shorter barrel isn’t acceptable in my book. Longer barrel helped with SD considerably. Your dads officer model Colt, does it run well? I’ve never had good results with 3.5” barrel, my Sig C3 (4.20” barrel) is shortest 1911 I can get to run 100% reliably. Another informative test, THANKS! BTW the older non bonded golden saber are better in my experience.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. His Colt runs perfect but it's also an older one and VERY worn in.

[@Rusted_Link]

I appreciate it buddy. If you need the Speer 185 let me know.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@salextodd2]

I was so disgusted with the .45 Golden Saber 230 rounds - I went yesterday to the range and slung all I had left at some paper folks. Going SIG all day now. Thanks again for the valuable content you bring to us on the daily!!

[@robwilson3749]

I sure hope the one's you used at the range were the BONDED type tested here that performed like sheet and not the standard brass jacketed non-bonded because the non-bonded type .230's in GS are excellent. Great. Fabulous. Home runs. Sensational. Outstanding. Highly effective. Well proven. Thoroughly tested. I'm putting this out there like this so people, many people being who and what they are most times, sheeple, don't toss the baby out with the bath water because they think they're the same thing when they absolutely are not.

[@salextodd2]

@@robwilson3749 No, these were absolutely the 230gr Bonded Golden Saber POS’s. Just found more loaded in a magazine in my safe. First to sling at the next range day.

[@trustnot9]

Great test, not bad results. Great video as always and i watching your video with my Glock 36 on me lol. Thanks my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice! Appreciate you as always, my friend!😎👊

[@trustnot9]

@@ToolsandTargets Same here. Always looking forward to your next video.👍👍👍

[@mikejohnson9118]

Too bad you didn't have the +P version as well. That's got some "PUNCH" to it. They are ~1140ft/s at the muzzle with 5" and 500+ ft/lbs.

[@abengelbrecht]

Yeah, used to have the Golden Saber 185 +P, that was not bonded. IIRC they zipped along nicely at around 1100+fps or so. Unfortunately they don't seem to make these anymore.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Don't think my local shop has the +P. I'll have to take a look.😎👊

[@mikejohnson9118]

@@ToolsandTargets Either way the 185g 45acp is a nice load. Even if it doesn't fully expand. It's still a .5" hole in your "target". Mucho El-Leako!

[@SouthernShodan]

Golden Saber and Bonded? Sounds like an oxymoron. Regular Sabers just love to ditch their jackets lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah they do.

[@BluePatch-pc7sx]

Well done, thank you sir!

[@RL-RL]

Good test for the 185grn bonded. At least they did what they were meant to do compared to the heavier projectiles. Weird huh?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Some redemption.😎👊

[@bryanpropp2179]

Speed kills.

[@treetop.garage]

I'd carry these In my 5in or my 3.5 inch ..if it performed like this Great demonstration buddy

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@treetop.garage]

No problem tools ..i enjoy your videos

[@jdk_360]

I’ve got really old 185 grain 45 ACP golden sabers that I’m carrying in my 1911 5 inch. I have shot a few to make sure they work but I’d be curious to know if I’m making a mistake trusting my life to them.

[@kenworland1865]

Much better! 👊👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep😎👊

[@JohnLee-jk5ew]

@@ToolsandTargetshave you thought about the Barnes 185gr .45 acp? Keep up the good work!

[@kens17761]

T&T always love your videos!! You’re one of my favs!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jefferythibodeaux9676]

How about a test with Atomic .45 +p 185 gn. Box says 616 ft.lbs😮

[@bigandy2109]

Great test ..I'm definitely not gonna buy this ammo based on what I saw , my hardest choice when carrying a G21 or G30 is should I run 230 gr or 185 gr 🤔 think I'm gonna stick with 230 gr

[@bryanpropp2179]

This is the opposite conclusion based on this test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤔

[@robwilson3749]

Stick with 230 grain, just not GS Bonded 230 grain. Once in a blue moon you can still find some 230 grain "non bonded" GS from a Remington run of them. When you do, I suggest you snap them up. The king? King of the 230 grain 45 acp. loadings IMHO now and still after all these years that's actually available largely? Federal Hooligan Shredding Terminators in 230 grain. Denim, shmenim. It expands and penetrates. The other would be the Winchester Ranger NON BONDED either regular octane or +P but finding them for sale without having to sell your mother into endentured servitude to afford them if you can find them at all? Tough going. If you haven't already tried them, give the Federal Punch in 230 a whirl. They're delivering between .65 and .75 of expansion with 16" to 18" penetration and they're "reasonably" priced (in the post apocalyptic insanity of the scamdemic at least...) and widely available.

[@jonkenny593]

if you can could you test underwood 230 plus p fmj? especially out of the commander.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I have the Colt 1911 Officers model. 3 5/8 barrel. I am always wondering what to feed it. It is a bit picky with some ammo. Likes rounded bullet better than some JHPs. I bought the gun new in 1989 or 90. I would love to see a video with this gun used. I mostly carry 185 grn in it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's about the same time my dad bought his.

[@caleb6988]

They preformed pretty good and got good penetration from both. Great work brother tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Dwayne7834]

Looks like the 185 with the 5 inch barrel is the better choice. Thanks again for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. Appreciate ya, my friend!

[@robwilson3749]

Yes, using "this type" of bullet from "this brand." Otherwise this in definitely not always the case.

[@TheSkeptic000]

Very professional!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎

[@originalterrorsquad]

Tool what do you think is the best .45 carry ammo? This ammo is ok but low mid tier at best at pistol lengths

[@taasch2505]

Wonder how they would so in a 3.7" glock 30 barrel

[@randymoats2059]

Girlfriend keeps my Highpoint Carbine loaded with the 185 grain+P .I got a good one apparently zero malfunction. And she's good with it. Yes I sacrificed it to keep her safe 😅😅😅

[@ToolsandTargets]

Should be movin on out with the longer barrel.😎👊

[@caleb6988]

I'd like to see you test the AAC black line 45acp HP.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤔

[@marvinsauer8493]

Does that Taurus “commander” generally show that much SD and ES? Seems odd one (gun 5”) would have so much better Sd/ES with same Ammo. Just wondering if that pistol has history of large SD/ES? I will need to run some of these through my Sig C3 with its 4.2” barrel. Just to see if velocities settle down. Even for a handgun those deviation numbers aren’t good!

[@jeffreybean5363]

Great ammo test Tools 👍🇺🇸.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@ricklastname9427]

Think I'll stick with Speer or Sig for my quality defense ammo 😅....

[@johnparker9139]

Have you done any shotgun rounds? Or tried the old cut shotgun shell into jelly?