Toor Knives Serpent and its Uneven Grinds

[@DavidSauceda-ns2cu]

I bought an early serpent (cerial# low 2000s), and i have a much bigger problem. My blade actually snapped in half. And they will not replace it. So im not sure what life time warranty means with them. Proceed with caution ⚠️

[@LanningKann]

I’ve seen that with a lot of brands unfortunately. My Chris Reeve Inkosi Insingo has a very similar grind issue. I have a few knives across different brands that share the same “issue”. Spyderco, Lion Steel, Tops, Bark River etc, all have some lopsided grinds. I’ve just stopped analyzing evenness, as long as the knife performs well and is mechanically safe.

[@JasonPatrick-tj4xj]

I'm glad you discuss the money aspect. It does matter

[@GregAllen2]

Thanks for the overview! I really love the designs of their knives and while the inconsistencies probably won't effect the durability of the blade (especially CPM3V) I am very hesitant on buying one. It's a considerable amount of money for knife that was machine cut. I had a similar problem with the RMJ Tactical Unmei. *shrug*

[@deltafunction0]

The inconsistencies are present, but so insignificant I doubt they'd matter performance-wise. It'll only matter to your psyche.

[@CivilianWarrior]

Just came across this, sorry you had the same issue as mine. Thanks for the link in your description to my video 👍

[@bowendavenport2106]

I own the original serpent (the brown handle one) for a few years and never encountered any true problems but I do see what you are saying.

[@augustus63]

You saved me a lot of money, thanks ❤

[@p51mustang24]

I grabbed the dealer exclusive Phosphor green color off of optics planet for 2/3rds of MSRP. Even at $200 it's still an expensive knife to me, but the coloration was hard to pass up.

[@CantonSecurity]

I highly recommend the Canku 1140c It is worth every penny at $25 Buy with a Ulticlip 3.3 Slim $15 Do NOT buy the “Silver” one, they don’t grind the edges correctly on them. The “Black” and “Green” ones are excellent but do to the lack of contrast in edge to blade color on the silver ones, they have been ground incorrectly on each one I’ve gotten.

[@LuisRodriguez-hz4on]

I know their expensive but still a very cool knife and this is cool. I own before derespina knives , magnumworks , bladetricks and many other custom knives all had imperfections and all of them are super cool .

[@deltafunction0]

Yeah I've kind of subscribed to the thought that it's a sign it was hand made. It won't impact performance. And I've softened my view on the matter since I made the video.

[@houselan7636]

This small blade is listed for almost $300. The issue like this is not acceptable.

[@bradleywaters8857]

That’s so interesting. This is the third review on three separate models that have all said how inconsistent their blades are. That’s too bad. For that kind of money I would really want a more symmetrical blade.

[@deltafunction0]

I would concede that it won't impact performance. I suppose this is a tactical knife. I'm not a tactical person. For me this is a bougie knife. Someone out there more knowledgeable than me might think it's a big deal. But me months after making this video, I'm less likely to complain. It is what it is.

[@DavidNefelimSlayer]

Blade grind is aesthetic as well as a sign of quality. Comparatively a Dirk Pinkerton custom Smilodon Hawkbill Tanto, (three grind surfaces) was ordered with N690co, micarta, standard kydex, for $240 delivery 7 weeks. It looks first in show. When available you can choose, Elmax, 3v, M390, Nitro V, et cetera add $$. Ready to scrutinize from any angle with a caliper and perfectly symmetrical. The argument that uneven grind will still cut, holds no water with me, grind and edge on a file chisel and it will cut but not as well as a proper symmetrical grind type, to material, and in deference to blade thickness. A lot of yahoos out there with forges and grinders, expensive equipment that just make knives. Call them semi or custom shop built that are long on marketing and short on artistry and craftsmanship. Caveat emptor. These don’t look comparable to factory Bastien Coves. I appreciate the author, his diplomacy, and accurate review.

[@JasonPatrick-tj4xj]

Hello, I'm in Toronto , a local shop is selling these. Haven't handled one yet. Appreciate the review. Its hard to get good knives in Canada. These are not inexpensive blades.

[@deltafunction0]

I have been using mine more often and I feel like I gave it a bad rap based on the asymmetry. I don't like the asymmetry but it's still a fine product. For what it's meant for, the lack of consistency won't matter performance-wise. It's just, for that amount of money, idk man. I want symmetry at least.

[@JasonPatrick-tj4xj]

@@deltafunction0 understood.

[@DavidNefelimSlayer]

@@deltafunction0 yep.

[@c-fo3335]

The knives are what I would expect from a working tool. I agree the older blade types and design -to me where much better. I like the imperfections because it shows they are hand grind. 🤙 being back the classics guys!!

[@adonisdelacampa7057]

It's amazing same exact thing on my fde serpent I'm hesitant on buying the krypteia but I love it so much regardless

[@tsklitzka]

I’m a chef and I use a lot of handmade Japanese knives and something like this is VERY common in handmade products unless you’re buying something that was machined into shape like a Microtech(which are twice as expensive as Toor)

[@houselan7636]

Don't agree. If it is not symmetric, just admit it. No excuse. Perfect knife has to meet all expectations

[@mirekbns]

They're overpriced for what you get.

[@adonisdelacampa7057]

This grind angles on my knife are also identical to yours is your sn# in the 5000s? Very uneven

[@deltafunction0]

Mine is 3400 range.

[@JasonPatrick-tj4xj]

The unevenness is bad. Hopefully its just a bad one. I've seen a company , with 2 bad ones, that made me completely walk away

[@adonisdelacampa7057]

No I have the same exact issue on the same model as him.

[@markholder4944]

Used to be a Toor guy but I switched to T.Kell knives. Much better quality and feel/balance.

[@champcampbell8393]

Tkell make great knives, if u haven't yet check out winkler also.

[@poolee77]

Unfortunate. I'm really liking the design of their knives, Serpent and Anaconda especially. I have had several BMs with asymmetric grinds like that.

[@jnsd891]

I would assume they are probably hiring machinist for like sub 20$ an hour...so they are gonna have issues on their fixtures/ops. It looks to me like they are milling their swedge/bevel, one side op1 the other side op2, if the work offset is off .020-.050" that would explain the mismatch. Brace built firearms is paying their set-up guys 16$ an HR so I'd definitely never buy an AR from them. Good machinist don't work for that kind of wage, so the product quality will reflect that. I could be wrong but I think that is a bad mill offset

[@deltafunction0]

I know Microtech does something like this. They have a very high turnover rate and their employees cycle in and out a lot. But I've never spotted an imperfection in a Microtech knife. And I'd have to think an OTF with its anodized aluminum and M390 blade is harder to make than a fixie out of G10 and 3V. The only issue I had with a Microtech was because I shotgunned beers with an Ultratech and beer got inside and gummed it up. That is totally my fault. Even still, Microtech fixed it for free, minus the fact I paid to ship it to them. So I'm torn. These imperfections won't impact performance. But still, things like this might best be done on a CNC instead of by hand.

[@alexandre0319]

Unacceptable piss poor quality at any price. So when you consider how expensive their knifes are, this is maddening. I would return it for a refund. This is insane.

[@deltafunction0]

Piss poor might be strong, but I think it's fair to expect symmetry.

[@thesecurityguardchannel]

The Amazon clone is 30 bucks and damn near the same product. Even made from D2 steel

[@deltafunction0]

Link?

[@TW-ck1ui]

I know they do a lot of work by hand. Also they are twins one was an army ranger and one was a marine. They make tactical durable knives to be used in combat and as a tool . I don’t think they care about aesthetics as much

[@MrNobody-ts6gv]

if you are going to invest in a knife of that price, it is preferable to opt for recognized brands such as benchmade or tops.

[@michaelpiccola5293]

Toor Knives perform 1000 times better than the options you have mentioned! I’ve tested everything!

[@deltafunction0]

I do have a Tops. Love it. But Toor uses better steels. Lemme get 3V or S35VN. 1095 is a little dated.

[@michaelpiccola5293]

@@deltafunction0 plus toor knives durability is the best in the industry for tactical fixed blades!

[@deltafunction0]

@@michaelpiccola5293 I'm sure the durability is great. But is too much to ask for symmetry?

[@michaelpiccola5293]

@@deltafunction0 yes I totally agree 100% but I do know toor would fix it if you email or call them and resolve the issue.

[@cemetarygates2800]

Sad to see an American company do such janky work. I was looking at a Toor blade and was searching reviews etc... This is a no bueno!

[@Bladeunion5716]

This is typical of hand ground blades. I have more expensive knives that are worse honestly. Especially when I put them on my wicked edge gen 3 pro that's when you really discover the inconsistencies with primary and secondary grinds.

[@ambulldog111]

I believe those knives are very expensive and for the price they are selling them they should not have those inconsistencies

[@B-G556]

Whether it’s not cut right or not it’s still gonna cut tf out of someone when you need it to 😂

[@jean-carlovonretteg9404]

so youd be fine spending that much money on something that isnt made correctly? if all you care about is it cutting then just carry a dollar knife from china that you can get from any 7-11

[@B-G556]

@@jean-carlovonretteg9404 it’s made correctly, it just has uneven grinds lmao learn how to read

[@WildRose_Weaponry]

This is a convex ground tanto tip. From my knowledge, there is no flaw in that grind.

[@deltafunction0]

Would you expect symmetry? I'd at least want the angles to be the same on both sides of the blade. It doesn't look intentional.

[@JasonPatrick-tj4xj]

The fact that your a "normal dude" not in the business, makes the review more trustworthy

[@JTown-tv1ix]

This is a combat tool, the evenness of the grind is of little importance to people who are fighting a war.

[@RubyMarkLindMilly]

Have you ever thought it's being deliberately done ?

[@deltafunction0]

I think it's a manufacturing character, not a purposeful design. Why would someone design it asymmetrically? It's not a chisel grind. It's just a hand-ground knife. And maybe I didn't give credit where credit is due... this is not going to affect performance. It's just, to the naked eye it's a very obvious flaw.