Top 10 WORST Things in Zelda Games

[@thrasher698]

11:00 for those who aren't familiar with the gamecube original, you need to understand this price tag is especially egregious when your starting wallet can only hold 200 rupees. He also sends you a chart showing what quadrants have Triforce charts in them and has the audacity to send it post-on-delivery so you have to pay the mailbox exactly 201 rupees to get it. This bastard Tingle makes you have to get a wallet upgrade to do anything around him.

[@Chaos89P]

At least he's "kind enough" to send you a chart where what I'm gonna call "the Fortune Fairies" are found. I have reason to believe this is one of the reasons Tingle isn't well-liked on this side of the Pacific.

[@SolstaceWinters]

And lets not forget: [1] You broke his happy ass out of jail, and he didn't even give you a proper discount or - I dunno - a FREEBIE for that service. And [2] even in his delusional state where he thinks you are some magical fairy from the fey realm what brings the happiness and such, he still charges you regardless (in junction with [1]), so your "fey-ness" means nothing compared to the almighty "bottom dollar". It's genuinely a small wonder he's never met a true fairy and that's he's been waiting his whole 35+ years for one and never met one, greedy bugger that he is. .... Tingle Tuner and Tingle Bottle were fun though. I gotta admit. Rip Miiverse.

[@DarkmoonSoul115]

Consensus- tingle is a prick

[@matttyree1002]

Yea I'm glad you can put words to it. I really wanted to like the 3ds majoras mask, but the is objectively better

[@thecinematicbandicoot7280]

Maybe a switch remake of Majora's mask would give enough space to have both versions of the game in it.

[@lukepowell5297]

How on EARTH has it been ten years since the last Zelda Month? I must re-watch those videos more often than I thought, they still seem so fresh

[@Quetzal00358]

Or as Rabbidluigi would say, FUNKY FRESH

[@jevilthechaostailor]

Ten years and only nearly 400k subs.

[@christheleavittman7080]

Something something PeanutButterGamer something

[@Darkinu2]

I know right?

[@tommoore2012]

@@christheleavittman7080 I thought he was the first one to do Zelda Month?

[@korokonas]

I fully admit that this is nostalgia talking, but I do actually enjoy the slow start to Twilight Princess. The village itself is very cozy, I like the side characters, and dear sweet Hylia the Ordan theme is maybe one of my favorite town themes in any game. The moment the video started playing it, I immediately spaced out and was transported back to playing this as an 11 year old. I 120% agree it is way too slow of an opening, but I wouldn't change it for the world.

[@lnsflare1]

Same. I'm also a fan of the slow opening sections in Kingdom Hearts 2 and every Social Link Persona game.

[@CaterpillarFetus]

Glad to know someone else feels the same way I do about the opening. Personally, Twilight Princess was my first (and still my favorite) Zelda game, and I had no idea what the franchise was, I just thought the box art looked neat and popped it into my Wii. The opening had me convinced it was gonna be a cozy village life sim game, like Animal Crossing but in a high fantasy setting and with added combat elements. Then King Bulblin showed up and Link went into the Twilight Realm and I got sucker punched with the revelation of what the game really was. At first I got scared and stopped playing for a while (I was seven and easily scared), but after I got back to it and went through the Forest Temple, I was hooked. It’s kinda like how current indie horror games trick you into thinking they’re a completely different genre, except it was unintentional because I was a dumb kid.

[@FabBrigade]

I don't know if it's nostalgia talking for me, but I never really thought it was that slow.

[@sag2057]

Nice opinion, unfortunately 2 words : The cat

[@amandagail5798]

I wish more than anything that I related to this. I have never been able to play Twilight Princess because I get so annoyed by it by the time I get through the beginning. I know I’ll love the rest of the game, but the beginning is just…. too annoying for me.

[@rileycarr2989]

I have no issues with Hyrule field in Ocarina of Time. Yeah it is fairly empty but I never really thought that it was a "boring" part of the game. I loved going to each area it connects to for the first time on my first playthrough

[@mindseyemusicreview]

At the time nothing was like hyrule field, a *fully* exploratlble 3D space where you can ride a horse, jump a giant bridge and is the hub to all the other areas in the game. You could hunt for poes, of which I never found them all. It's pretty empty and lifeless now in comparison to PS2 era and beyond but man as a kid this was amazing

[@tallmyster1323]

On the subject of Majora 3D being dumbed down, the Iwata Asks interview with Aonuma can actually explain it. Aonuma when he remade MM described it as opening up a Pandoras Box of developer memories and found a metric ton of things he saw in the original that made him question what the hell he was even thinking with a lot of ideas, and made it a goal to make a lot of things more clear. Chances are, a majority of these things that changed were appreciated by most people lol

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

Really goes to show how different the perspectives of the creator and the audience can be

[@davismorgan99]

@@Howitchewstofeel5gum I think Iwata looked at the game from the perspective of a completely new player. I don’t like MM3D and much prefer the original, but I know so many people who have completed every 3D Zelda BESIDES MM because it can be so obtuse and needlessly annoying in sections.

[@goranisacson2502]

Really makes you wonder what the perspectives on these maligned changes would be if you had a new fan play the two versions and cobtrast it to an old fan- truth be told it was so long since I played the N64 title that when I played the 3DS remake I barely even recognized most changes: I think the ice arrows were the one thing I didn't like, the rest either just slipped right by me or I felt was an improvement (Giant Link versus sandworm may not be mechanically "better" but I will take worm-wrestling ANY DAY).

[@tallmyster1323]

@Göran Isacson Interesting you bring this up. During this interview there was a lady on GREZZO with Aonuma who assisted on the remake who had tried and failed to finish the original Majoras Mask back in the day. She was brought in as an original consumer perspective for the remake, and gave Aonuma reason enough to overhaul his old ideas that he found crazy.

[@prince_sylex]

...I am feeling sad that I actually like the 3ds version...

[@amirgarcia547]

As someone who’s played both versions of Majora’s Mask, I’ll honestly say that I’ve always found the complaints about the 3DS version *way* overblown. The worst part about it is changing the Zora Link swimming, and even then it’s far from bad, but just less fun than in the OG. All giving the bosses weak points does is make them easier (though I’ll admit the Twinmold boss was changed from an easy boss fight to an annoying one), and I never even noticed the change in Deku Link’s physics until others pointed it out either. And even then, these changes are more akin to minor gripes to me instead of glaring issues that ruined the game entirely. Something plenty of people tend to forget about is that how game improved so much from the original, from letting you save at owl statues instead of just quick-save (which wasn’t even an option in the Japanese version), being able to fast-forward the Song of Double-Time at every hour instead of only half a day, and being able to keep track of each sidequest within the bomber’s notebook, along with making it actually useful. All of which makes the game far less cryptic and confusing and more streamlined to play, which’s the best thing to do when introducing it to a modern audience who doesn’t want to be put off from completing the game. Everyone talks about the iffy/bad changes the remake made while always ignoring the good, and if you boil down any remake or of course a game to only its worst aspects while ignoring the good, of course it’ll be bad. The way I see it, instead of having one definitive version of Majora’s Mask like Ocarina of Time does with 3D, we have two good versions that each have their own pros/cons. And again, I love Majora’s Mask (second favorite Zelda game behind Twilight Princess), but I just can’t bring myself to find the remake to be some sacrilegious affront to nature just because of a few changes that don’t matter much in the long-run and are balanced out by better changes as well.

[@CommanderWiggins]

Yeah I was honestly really confused when I saw people talking about how much worse the 3ds version was than the original. The Zora swimming is literally the only thing that bothers me whenever I play it.

[@benjaminchaulk6269]

The movement felt really bad cause the skill ceiling was too low.

[@BlindGardener]

Look up nerrels review for the remake. It describes perfectly well all the unfortunate shortcomings

[@Shantae1188]

The problem you mentioned with Hyrule Warriors can actually be mitigated quite a bit if you are doing 100%. You basically do what you would like and then hold off on it for a couple months and then come back to it. Surprisingly helpful as I have been tackling the Adventure Mode that way. 15:58 Honestly, no. I legitimately had a lot of fun going through the Temple of the Ocean King. Every revisit had me wondering: “Will I be able to make it,” and I loved it.

[@jameslawrenson1208]

That makes the game much more manageable.

[@Shantae1188]

@@jameslawrenson1208 Indeed.

[@jvts8916]

The Nintendo Gallery from Minish Cap. You know how trying to get every possible roll in a gacha game is usually seen as stupid, pointless, a waste of time and just a bad idea overall? Guess what you have to do to obtain *one heart piece* and a sound test. Mismanaging your seashells and/or getting unlucky will likely result in you having to farm rupees to buy them at the shop because you definitely aren't going to complete this sidequest in a casual playthrough. In fact, there's a set of figurines that, while not counted for the collection, can only be obtained on a cleared save file.

[@songohan3321]

Young me had beaten that game and wanted to see if I could get all of the figurines. Young me raged quit after getting close to the end and couldn't get the because of the extreme fu probability of getting a new figurine. Older me wants to find the ahole who thought creating that mechanic was a good idea and punch him in the face.

[@henryknippling2408]

2023 and we’re still acting like the imprisoned isn’t one of the easiest bosses to cheese. Just jump on his head from above, if he shakes you off (which he won’t do until at least the second encounter) hit him with a groosenator bomb and then jump on him.

[@johnhoftb]

The Majora's Mask one is on Aonuma, who did a playthrough and noted down everything he thought that could be improved. Wind Waker needed more time, instead of being rushed to give Iwata a good first year as president.

[@goranisacson2502]

Huh, was that why Wind Waker and Sunshine and Melee were rushed? I kinda figured it was because they had issues adapting to more advanced tech but still needed sure-seller titles in general so that they could recover from the N64 and thr gamecube's soft launch, not specifically so that Iwata's numbers could look good.

[@tromedlovdrolmai]

The first time I ever played Ocarina of Time, I didn't get stuck in or frustrated by the Water Temple. The layout (to me) seemed very linear, and I didn't mind having to constantly open the menu for the Iron Boots. So I don't really consider it a bad dungeon. Where I got stuck in my very first playthrough was the Shadow Temple, because I didn't realize you could go back to become child Link again. I just thought the rest of the game was as adult Link. Through a lot of trial and error searching the first room, I finally found the hover boots. And then I spent maybe 3-4 months of about an hour a day after school mapping out each and every room with pen and paper on where I could and couldn't go, while wearing the hover boots. I was able to get through the whole dungeon this way, but of course, you can't actually beat Bongo Bongo without the Lens of Truth, so I was stuck there. After getting frustrated with not being able to fight the dungeon boss after reaching him about 5 times, and dying to him, I finally went online and looked up how you were supposed to fight him, and then learned about the Lens of Truth. So then I looked up how to get that. My mind was blown when I realized you could become child Link again. I've never disliked the Shadow Temple though. I thought (at first) that it was a really cool dungeon idea, making people actually map it out by hand or memory, and since I learned how to do it, the whole concept of it is still great to me, especially with the time travel parts.

[@ShadowSora8491]

Even without the Lens of Truth, you should still be able to Z-Target onto Bongo Bongo, or even strike him with a spin attack when he charges at you, even if you can't see his main body. I do understand that it feels impossible without the Lens of Truth, especially when you're a kid. I used to think the game was impossible without the Lens of Truth, when I was a kid. It wasn't until recent years that I found out that the Bottom of the Well is technically an optional dungeon, and that the Lens of Truth is technically an optional item, too. I still recommend getting the Lens of Truth, though, since it makes the game a lot easier.

[@cormeaga]

​@@ShadowSora8491 beating Bongo Bongo without the Lens requires you to already know the fight. I listened to Shiek says after beating the Forest Temple. What she says hints that you have to return to being a child again, by telling that you can do so. Finding the well is just a matter of exploring as a kid and remembering the what happened to Windmill Guy in the future(Somehow). What I got stuck on was getting into Jabu-Jabu's belly. It took my older brother eventually telling me for me to pass it on my own. Well, I copied his save file before in order to get pass that road block.

[@skateorpie]

To be fair, the reason OOT hyrule field is so lifeless is because they had to remake the game from the over ambitious 64DD to a normal Cartridge so a lot was cut :( I’m sad we never fully got the OOT (master quest isn’t the original vision)

[@Methrael]

The "Thanks, Jackass!" hit me harder than it should have

[@chuy9133]

Me too haha

[@rosserm11]

If this doesn’t end with a collab with Joshscorcher at the end of the month, I’ll be disappointed. It can’t be a coincidence they’re both doing Zelda Month at the same time.

[@jedimasterpickle3]

...well yeah, it's not a coincidence because it's to celebrate the new Zelda game coming out. A collab would be neat, but I don't think it's automatically in the cards.

[@thelonemask]

I do not understand what everyones' problem is with the twinmold boss in Majora's mask 3D. Link going all Kaiju and literally wrestling them instead of just swinging his sword like any other enemy is so badass.

[@d3structi]

The problem is that it isn't clear on if you're causing damage to the damn worm.

[@thelonemask]

@@d3structi What do you mean by that? The boss makes it very clear that Link's punches are hurting it. Are you talking about the original N64 version?

[@rpglover5955]

The problem imo is that controlling giant link in MM3D is not as great as in N64 MM. Not only do you drop your sword and shield (which was most of the fun of using the mask), but the option you have to evade attacks is painfully slow, and not at all effective (I remember attempting to dodge certain attacks with the roll, and it didn't feel at all great that Link barely moves anywhere), coupled with that you kinda need to wail on him with a really short range to knock it unconcious (the first half of the fight is basically the same as N64 MM, just that you can't use the giant mask cause it drops after you beat one of them, instead of being an item inside the dungeon beforehand). That being said, Zora swimming requiring magic to even go fast and bosses being made easier (outside of Gyorg, who actually kind of got an upgrade if not for the Zoraform being worse to control) kind of made MM3D a letdown after having played the original N64 one (you could argue being able to control time more effectively with Song of double time being a thematically worse change too since you didn't have full control of how time progressed as part of the world you inhabitated, although mechanically it's better for planning). Being flashy isn't always a great thing in terms of whether a fight against an enemy is good or not (obviously everybody got their own opinions on this, I mostly align with it's less fun because the controlling part of it). It also ended up dragging out the fight more than it was necessary, especially if you wanted to go back for repeat playthroughs (much like the man himself who made this video, my own MM3D copy has not been touched for years)

[@d3structi]

@@thelonemask I am referring to the 3DS version. A number of players were confused by Twinmold taking forever to kill.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@rpglover5955 Thing is that the 3DS is supposed to be played in short periods of time, so they had to change things in MM so that players could actually do anything in said amount of time.

[@Quetzal00358]

Damn I've been watching Rabbidluigi for over 10 years?!?! Thanks for all the wonderful entertainment these past years

[@danteciccarelli2790]

same

[@johnherb4243]

I find 100% hyrule warriors being on here really funny because me and my twin brother have done this multiple times without getting bored. On the Wii U, again on the Wii U after our original console was damaged and then on the switch version. We just find the game really fun.

[@lazyryan3766]

You mean you got all A rank on every square on every map, all gold skulltulas and heart pieces and clothing and master sword at 900 attack?

[@johnherb4243]

@@lazyryan3766 Yeah. Don't get me wrong it was a long process and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for everybody, but we did it.

[@lazyryan3766]

@@johnherb4243 with how much time you have for grinding, you could be a menace in speedrun boards and fighting game tournaments

[@FireFoxie1345]

@@johnherb4243how long did it take you guys

[@ConceptsCool4993]

Almost every water dungeon ever: my time has come.

[@hist150project5]

Disagree. Water dungeons are great, and they usually have the most clever puzzles.

[@christheleavittman7080]

Honey, you got a big storm coming

[@hist150project5]

@@christheleavittman7080 expain

[@SakuraAvalon]

Eh, Skyward Sword's Water Dungeon is great.

[@christheleavittman7080]

@@hist150project5 Rabbid didn't put any water dungeons on the list.

[@dervonnebenan8527]

I think the idea of the triforcehunt is actually kind of cool. I'd just wish the island informations would be safed after you have found the fish. I hated searching for that fish on every single island, even when I already had found him hours ago

[@nolanschotanus2769]

Climbing gear in botw should've given a "resist rain slip" when wearing all three peices.

[@Fierycascade]

I know a lot of people dislike Twilight Princess' start, but I can't help but love it the most because of how it makes that contrast. When I was little, I definitely was of the mindset of "yeah yeah yeah, just get to the part where I'm a wolf". But growing up, I have developed such a fondness for how the game establishes that this Link is loved like family by everyone in Ordon.

[@trevorgrover5619]

I understand that the Twilight Princess opening is slow, but I think it works for the game.

[@tyler4068]

Me too honestly I was never bothered by it I actually like it

[@toumabyakuya]

1.-) MM3D was done like that with a purpose: Accessibility for a short playtime. The 3DS as a whole was never meant to be played for hours, instead you are supossed to play its games in short burts of time. That is why a lot was changed in this remake, so that players could always acomplish something by just playing the game for one hour. 2.-) I will actually defend the Imprisoned: He has a point story-wise, to demonstrate that Demise is trying to free himself in any way possible. Unlike a lot of other villains from other games, he is trying to beat Link and actually win in any way he can, so that makes him good in my opinion.

[@skyblailock7248]

I'm sorry, but I actually prefer Majora's Mask 3D over the original. You should read about the development of the original. Most of the changes in the remake were meant to be in the original but they ran out of time. 1. Link swims slower in the original Japanese version Majora's Mask to allow for tighter turns. This was accidentally changed in the later international releases. Swimming faster was originally suppose to use your magic. 2. In the original concept art Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg, and Twinmold had giant eye-shaped weak points. However, the development team was under a very tight schedule and were unable to complete them in time. 3. Each boss was programed by different members of the development team. This is most apparent when comparing the original Odolwa fight next to the other three bosses. Everyone else was significantly easier. 4. Aonuma Eiji wanted symmetry in regards to the bosses. Odolwa was suppose to make the player use the Deku Mask, Goht was suppose to make the player use the Goron Mask, and of course Gyorg the Zorda Mask. 5. Odolwa was never suppose to be hard nor was Gyorg suppose to be so difficult. Traditionally, the first boss within any Zelda game is always the easiest. But unfortunately being under such a tight schedule made things difficult. 6. Now this one is just personal opinion rather than fact but I prefer the new Twinmold fight. You can find everything above by searching for the translated interviews with Aonuma Eiji on Majora's Mask. He was really disappointed with the original and didn't understand why anyone liked it whatsoever.

[@LittleZbot]

Guarantee Temple of the Ocean King is going to on here, and I'm calling a 95% chance of "forgetting" to mention all the shortcuts unlocked with every item that let you skip most of it and find quicker solutions around the rest.

[@leargamma4912]

Nailed it. He needs to learn how to play the game. Or just play it more until he learns

[@toumabyakuya]

@@leargamma4912 Or maybe the shortcuts are not a good enough incentive beat the same parts of the dungeon more than once?.

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

Who cares, it still sucks ass even with the shortcuts.

[@CaptainForestFalcon]

The real worst thing about Phantom Hourglass? The dungeon music. One of the most basic and dull themes that plays in every dungeon like area in the game. If they'd given the Temple of the Ocean King even the slightest improvement in music or even a unique theme from other dungeons I guarantee the experience would have been so much better.

[@geofff.3343]

Weapon durability wasn't an attempt to make BtoW more realistic. It was designed to make sure you use other means (powers and environment) and to push exploration. If you just have weapons that don't break you fill up on good ones and just go. Sure it can drag in the late game, but pushing over one more hill to maybe find a cool weapon to use was great. I don't hat ethe weapon durability system, but it just needs some tweaks.

[@iranoutofideasforausernam1703]

At least in my case, all it did was discourage anything resembling a traditional approach to combat for the majority of the game, up until I knew where to go to farm Lynels. I would do whatever I could to deal damage using Magnesis and Remote Bomb (especially hot-swapping to dodge cooldown) and just hoarded weapons because basically EVERY weapon felt too good to use. After I learned how unhelpful the majority of the weapons are, I switched to farming Lynels for the best weapons available and ditched the cool and creative stuff, but still made sure to always have a fire sword and an ice sword. In short, I'd say the durability system DIMINISHED the variety of my approach to combat.

[@xRetroCritic]

@@iranoutofideasforausernam1703 Agreed. I avoided combat unless I had to while exploring the game (especially during my master mode playthrough and 2nd normal mode playthrough) and whenever I ran out of weapons, I just ran through hyrule castle with a shock weapon and left with a full inventory of good weapons again. Giving players other options to deal with combat is great, but not when a system like durability actively punishes the player with high opportunity costs that you'll mostly never gain back from killing enemies for worse weapons.

[@thevioletbee5879]

I do not understand why people want to repair BotW weapons. At least in a traditional way (I like the way fuse does it as it feels more like an exploit). Rather than the satisfaction of smashing a weapon over an enemy’s head like a party popper and picking up what it drops to give it another smack down, you’d have to faff about keeping a bunch of half-broken weaponry in your inventory waiting to repair it at some blacksmith only to repeat the hoarding process all over again. Cool weapons are plentiful. The enemies you should use your stronger stuff on are incredibly telegraphed with massive health bars so you aren’t left wondering when you should use them. The UI actively encourages you to treat them as disposable by not telling you their exact durability or stats. I don’t understand people’s issue with this mechanic.

[@CommanderWiggins]

Fun fact, the world record speedrun for Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition 100% is 288 hours long. Second place is 564 hours. There is no third place, as no one else has been insane enough to attempt it. The only way the run is even physically possible is because it's a segmented category, meaning that it does not have to be done in one sitting. Players can take as many or as long of breaks between play sessions as they want.

[@alejandrofrancetich4607]

I feel that the Temple of the Ocean King gets an unfair treatment. It’s not the best dungeon, by any means; but there are checkpoints that you can teleport to, and new weapons/items allow you to get through the earlier rooms faster/in new ways.

[@oscarmccormack1611]

MM3D is perfectly fine and a welcome step up from the original, and I'm tired of seeing the same minor recycled complaints about it.

[@iansynge7656]

Funny thing is, while I doubt they'll be getting rid of rain, it does seem like you have lots of other ways to ascend in ToTK besides climbing, so that might help.

[@Jabeeps]

Yup, there are. Can confirm

[@bluestreaker9242]

I imagine one way could involve a new weapon type like claws that allow you to grip sheer cliff-faces during even rain; plus...I mean...that'd be kinda funny to see: Link defeating Ganondorf by punching him in the face a la Smash Bros. The only drawback would be slightly slower climbing and slightly more stamina drain, as an obvious tradeoff, but by contrast you'd save more than you lose by slipping down the slope.

[@amirgarcia547]

Ikr, when I saw the part in the recent trailer where Link was just flying upwards with a rocket, my jaw nearly dropped.

[@valarmis]

Froggy suit and slip resist potions

[@C_Arson]

I understand that many changes in Majora's Mask 3D bothered a lot of people, but I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that it ruined "everything" unique about the original. Granted, I haven't played the original version yet myself (though I definitely will at some point), but I'm aware of a lot of the major differences between versions. Aspects like Zora swimming certainly seem better in the original, but I was still able to appreciate the unique atmosphere and time travel mechanics I had heard about with so much reverence over the years through the 3DS version. Either way, it'll be interesting for me to play the original at some point and form my own, complete opinion on which version I like more.

[@thecunninlynguist]

#1 for me...the goron dance game in oracle of ages

[@Tminus31]

Also the meat throwing mini-game, and the whole "lost your items and have to trade them but can't have them all back at once" gimmick... just Ages chapter 3 in general

[@thecunninlynguist]

@@Tminus31 trading game was annoying for sure

[@Shantae1188]

@@Tminus31That wasn’t bad.

[@leargamma4912]

YESSSS

[@voltron77]

Majora’s mask 3D is amazing it’s a great remake.

[@AuraStrikeAce]

Agreed. Glad to see someone else who likes it.

[@Dancinglemon]

Apart from ruining the zora swimming I didn’t notice anything worse with the remake, I loved it!

[@FlyingFocs]

So the rain in Breath of the Wild was annoying, but it never bothered me as much as that FREAKING LIGHTNING! Mostly because, until I reached the Gerudo City, I had NO idea how to deal with it, aside fron standing under a platform (fun) or throwing my metal items i had equipped away (didn't work). And by the time I could have gotten the helmet... I was almost done with the story, so it didn't matter as much to me.

[@FlyingFocs]

@@LittleZbot ... Well now I feel stupid. (At least I can take some solace that I was at least on the right track, though.) Also, how did I miss THAT hint, but got all the others?

[@LittleZbot]

@FlyingFocs Not sure, man. If you open up the inventory, you'll also notice that your conducting weapons sparkle in a storm and your non-conducting ones don't, leading most people to immediately realize they just have to switch weapons. But hey, I also spent my entire first playthrough thinking I wasn't allowed to jump while running, making some shrines ten times harder than they were supposed to be and gliding an annoying process requiring me to stop and reposition myself multiple times, so, even if it's not the game's fault, you're not the only one who had a 70-hour brain fart.

[@FlyingFocs]

@@LittleZbot I guess. Me not reading the prompt at the first Divine Beast, leading me to wonder what to do, then look it up and find out I just had to open the map and adjust there... That's unforgivable, though.

[@Reboundary]

I'm sorry, what? There aren't just "a few" main dungeons in Phantom Hourglass, there are seven. And some of them are really memorable. Don't dismiss the entire game's level design for one bad decision.

[@hioman]

The triforce hunt in ww should have happened at the start, and tingle should have only charged link once for every map, then it'd not be as bad. Or better yet, they could have split the parts up between dungeons, while having the means of getting the maps being rewards for side quests like the flower merchant. Also, your ss entry is *on point*. I cannot express my hatred for imprisoned 2 enough, especially after getting the hylean shield

[@tyler_keeble]

Hard disagree on the Triforce quest in Wind Waker. It's the moment when the game finally opens up and forces the player to explore. Sailing from Windfall Island to Dragon Roost Island in the opening of the game and seeing those distant shadows of islands on the horizon begging to be charted and explored only to be cucked by the King of Red Lions who forces you to stay on the linear path... Yeah, its the moment in the game some of us were desperately waiting for! Sure the game teases you by opening up early on, but at that point you're ill equiped to do anything on most of these optional islands. It's not until the Triforce quest section of the game where you've finally obtained all of the items and equipment you need to tackle every island, and boy is it satisfying!

[@Chronocrits]

I’ve said for a while, TOTK needs optional dungeon rewards. Imagine voluntarily spending an hour or two in the ‘Earth Temple’ and being rewarded with the completely optional ‘spiked boots’ so you can climb in the rain! That would be immense.

[@samusx2175]

There are some things you can get to help, but it's a lot of side quests to earn them.

[@MrMariosonicman]

so sorta how a link between worlds did it? where the rewards were more like passive upgrades to link then new weapons?

[@Chronocrits]

@@MrMariosonicman Kind of. Let’s say for example, you never went to the divine beast Vah Ruta, but if you did, you could get something special. That kind of optional thing.

[@HerotonAlmighty2011]

Still heavily disagree with the Majora's mask 3D changes. I'll agree that the zora swimming was unnecessary, but I still prefer it leagues over the original

[@p0sh77]

Just admit that you're bad lol

[@joecool6586]

I look back rather fondly on TPH. Getting chased to the safe zones was pretty memorable. But how are Kinstones not on this list? The minish cap wasn't great in general.

[@kleebaggins]

Twilight Princess’s intro is so hated on for no good reason. I think it’s a perfect start.🥺

[@tylerpetty5458]

"Blow into your DS microphone like it's a flute" sounds clever in theory, but it made me rage quit Spirit Tracks.

[@Barnowl65]

I think everyone forgot about that shitty Triforce Heroes game, BUT I HAVEN'T! That game was the worst thing to happen to Zelda since the CDi games! And it gets NO mention!?!

[@mightythistle]

In botw you have to work for the glider but in totk it’s given to you by purah, who is grown by the way. I liked working for the glider…

[@nathanblackburn1193]

As someone who's played both the original and 3DS remake of Majora's Mask let me just say, the 3DS version is better hands down and most anyone who says otherwise is an elitist who can't accept that the original had bad elements, just because you're used to something bad doesn't mean it's good

[@p0sh77]

Or maybe they just don't like a watered down version? So many bosses are made boring and so many elements like Zora swimming are made boring so please tell me something that's very much improved from the original that was in the based game so nothing like the journal or whatever. (Graphics don't count.)

[@ForrestFox626]

​@@p0sh77 I never thought the bosses were boring

[@nyperold7530]

And in some places, waiting out the rain just isn't an option because it's part of that area's challenge. Isn't that right, Zora's Domain AND Thundra Plateau? To be fair in one aspect, Zelda II was, as the numeral implies, the second Zelda game, so the series hadn't really established a tradition at the time. Also, it did have things that some-to-most later entries in the series had that the first game didn't, such as towns. Later games would make them better, of course...

[@jordanhunter3375]

Is there, like, an entire council of King Dodongos? Where do they keep coming from?

[@krimsonkatt]

I liked Majora's Mask 3D... Yes the bosses were butchered but the QoL was a literal godsend. Just wish they kept the original bosses, Zora Mask, and Ice Arrows and then it would be perfect.

[@magolor152]

The climbing gear in botw should have reduced, if not eliminated sliding as it's level 2 set bonus, let's hope they do that in tears of the kingdom

[@johnjekyllson28]

Weapon breaking had nothing to do with realism. It was about forcing you to use different weapons and adding an extra element of unpredictability to battles.

[@jskywalker58]

personally the triforce hunt is actually my favorite part of wind waker exploring the overworld is my favorite thing to do in game so the part where you do mostly that is the part i enjoy the most.

[@shinesoul7472]

7:31 or get a Frog/Geeko suit plus ability to make anti-Slip elixirs. So they did offer ways(they had to with no Champ abilities)

[@kotlolish]

Wait someone says the water temple ain't bad and tells people: "Nope Hyrule field sucks??" FINALLY! Someone I can agree with aaaaand you decide to riff on the temple of the ocean king... well that one cannot be avoided.. but I don't hate that dungeon at all even with repeats. I find it fun.

[@ZERO9098767]

Twilight Princess's intro was pretty cool the first time, but that's about it. Also, naming your character "Jackass" works SO much better with that girl saying thanks, than it should. lol

[@KerzacTransformed]

Even as someone who's favorite Zelda game is Twilight princess, the opening is really slow. I still personally love it cuz I love the character interactions, but yeah, it takes a while to feel like you're really doing anything

[@AuraStrikeAce]

Agreed

[@gingerelvis93]

I weirdly kinda like the temple of the ocean king, like it's terrible design to have you re-run the dungeon over and over again and it definitely shouldn't have been in the game in the way it was, but I did always like it

[@bluestreaker9242]

My issue with weapon durability isn't so much its existence: it's the fact that you can't repair broken equipment...it's just *POOF!* gone. I know this is going to be a weird take, but I kinda don't like squirreling away the most powerful weapons in the game just to NEVER use them out of fear I'll never be able to find them again: that's an awful feeling. Give Skyward Sword THAT much credit: that game at least gave you the means with which to repair your shield. Make the weapons break less often, give me the means to repair them or upgrade them to make them more durable or do more damage, but if you're gonna tell me that having an overabundance of weapons is your ideal solution to the wet toilet-paper strength your weapons have, then I don't know what to tell you. >.>

[@pikapat321]

How is “I grew up watching RabbidLuigi” a genuine statement

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

The worst thing about the rain in BOTW is that it's reminiscent of a progression gate from a previous Zelda, but with no purpose. Since this game is "muh freedom" and you can go anywhere at any time, the rain isn't there to stop you from getting into an area you're not supposed to reach yet. And in that game specifically there's no item used to overcome the obstacle. It's literally just there to waste your time and show off how _realistic_ the game's physics are.

[@malBOROkid]

You're wrong about the TOTOK, your new abilities allow you to get through the early floors much quicker when you return.

[@amirgarcia547]

It still doesn’t change the fact that you’re repeating the same content multiple times though. It’s less of a solution and more of just putting a band-aid on a gaping wound.

[@VegasValentineMusic]

I might be in the minority here but I looooove the slow burn of the TP intro. Even the goat herding lol. It's world building, ffs! And it makes the green tunic such a standing ovation moment. Imo, windwaker takes MUCH longer (2 dungeons and one endless night) to finally take off your training wheels

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

The imprisoned is only good for how not to make a reoccurring boss fight. If I had to redo it, I would simply replace the first two boss fights with enemies that you had to fight in waves. It would make the Imprisioned so much more threatening if you didn't kick it's ass three times in the game before the final fight. Makes it feel like bullying at that point. Also the bulgy things on it's hands and feet should be replaced with actual claws. I know they were just trying to scare you with grossness, but popping a zit on the bad guy is the best way to defang any terror it might have.

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

As someone who actually did 100% hyrule warriors. You are 100% right. DO NOT TRY IT

[@Thrillhou]

Just on the subject of rain-climbing in botw (with no totk spoilers) you can always just make a campfire to advance the weather, and with Revali's Gale you can usually get wherever you want anyway. Admittedly its frustrating in the early game, and there are a few instances where (quest reasons) its perma-raining so you need to go around the long way, which get pretty old. (Now with totk spoilers) They 100% fixed this in totk. Even aside from new abilities, you can get Sticky buffs with armour or elixers, and it's WONDERFUL.

[@Coach__Matt]

Probably because Phantom Hourglass was my first Zelda, but i love it front to back including the Temple of the Ocean King. Speeding through it is always cathartic on my many returns.

[@parchmentengineer8169]

I'm disappointed that the Temple of the Ocean King has once again made it to the top of one of these types of lists. I get that it can be repetitive, but it does encourage a different solution of the same area with every new playthrough, and I enjoyed the feeling of optimizing it and mastering the layout by the time I was done.

[@zwan6740]

I don't think anyone nowadays is really mad about the CD-i games, though, for one specific reason: Internet culture would not be the same without those cutscenes.

[@necrolicious]

the imprisoned is a baby in it's crib when you learn about jumping on his head from a higher ledge.

[@voltron77]

Skyward sword is THE best Zelda game! It has the best plot, the best dungeons, the best bosses and he best music and the best graphics and is the best Zelda game ever! The overworld is also great! The npcs are great and everything in this game is great!!!

[@bezoticallyyours83]

I swear the rain knows when your on an exceptionally tall cliff or tower.

[@blurgalsklech2929]

Weapon durability in BOTW was not a misguided attempt at realism. They explained it themselves at a conference in late 2017. Weapon durability was designed as a tool to encourage more exploration and to make the rewards from shrines and hidden chests much more satisfying. By forcing your weapon inventory to cycle constantly each new weapon you find in a chest matters more than if it were your 500th Soldiers Broadsword sitting in your inventory. Does it solve that problem? I’d argue it does but unfortunately it added a new problematic element.

[@Ichkannesmittlerweilelol]

What’s the name of the song playing in the background at 2:01 ?

[@Glacial11]

that one heart piece in minish cap which requires you to get all of the figurines might be one of the worst heart pieces in the entire series to get. it’s so fucking tedious

[@ALoversRose]

You AND Joshscorcher making Zelda Month countdowns in celebrations for TotK? SIGN ME UP FOR THE HYPE TRAIN! As someone who found this channel right after your first Zelda Month, I am excited about this remaster.

[@somaseviov2399]

First time I played it as a kid, I remember Hyruoe Field in Ocarina being very disappointingly empty. So much effort to find SOMETHING of substance. Eh. But as an adult it’s nice to just move on to the next area and move along

[@Revanaught]

Man, I just wanted to unlocked Majora's mask link on the 3DS version of Hyrule warriors, which required making it deep into that 3rd map in adventure mode....I never did unlock him. I burned out about halfway through the 2nd map.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Zelda's Adventure at least has a good concept: you play as Zelda. This concept seriously needs to be given another shot, possibly in BOTW3 or in the Zelda movie, where Link is either a secondary character or might get injured or kidnapped, or trapped in time, or dead, and Zelda badasses up to save or avenge him. This way, we can even have a Zelda protagonist talking without having Link himself talk

[@NintendoCapriSun]

Only thing I can think of that is missing is DEADROCKS. Oh, all that is holy in this world, deliver me from those wretched things.

[@GooTheMighty]

I actually love fighting Daira in Zelda 2, because they are mobility tests rather than attack spamming tests like the Iron Knuckles. They make you move!

[@leargamma4912]

Zelda 2 is an amazing game. People who say it is unforgiving are stretching it a little. It is hard, and by god the JP version will make you wish game overs are all in your head. But it is far from the hardest nes title, and damn. It's one of the best objective games for the system. Zelda name on it or not

[@rosikun]

Hey really enjoy your video. Make me to want try more of Zelda games. The imprisoned is one of the best fight there is in skyward Sword so much tension , the music when it comes closer and closer to the temple. The teamwork with Groose. Really love this part. Play it a lot when try to get hylian shield. Always feel nervous.

[@ItMeRobin]

Alright, I'm gonna defend the nearly 400 rupee price point of the triforce charts, because most zelda games have a rupee cap, and you're gonna be able to reach that cap fairly quick, especially in wind waker if you're getting all the silver rupees laying at the sea floor, so it's actually good that they gave you something to spend your rupees on

[@SuperJM9]

One thing about Zelda II. Death Mountain is supposed to take place after the second dungeon. You're not entirely wrong, as the second dungeon is more out of your way than Death Mountain is, but from what I can see when playing through it, it looks like you are supposed to finish the second dungeon first, which would at least make you a bit more powerful when facing it. The issue is that it's much easier to find Death Mountain than the second dungeon. The other thing is The Temple Of The Ocean King. I'd guess Nintendo intended people to use shortcuts that, from what I recall, allow you to skip large parts of the dungeon, but I guess the shortcuts aren't the easiest to find, leading to repetitive playthroughs.

[@McBehrer]

17:00 I'll be honest, I DIDN'T guess that, mostly because I didn't realize you were counting them

[@Denz292]

The rain in BotW was bearable, and I say that while only playing with 1 stamina wheel on my current playthrough. The worst part of BotW is the part I find less talked about however, the final boss being a giant malice pig that doesn't even threaten Link, what the hell was that?

[@samusx2175]

Agreed, it was the worst Ganon boss.

[@childofcascadia]

Unlike most people, I like BotWs weapon break mechanic. Its unique and it makes you think about what to use when. I like that theres so many weapons to use, and pretty much everything you find is useful. I play a lot of RPGs and thats rare. The only thing I didnt like about it was running around collecting korok seeds to boost slots. Im hoping theres still weapon break in some way or other. But i know im in a minority.

[@shadic4566]

Number 10 is just "HI Jirard, aka The Completionist"

[@alanfinck5595]

Ok. So one issue with this. Saying death mountain in zelda 2 is between the first 2 dungeons isn't actually accurate. The 2nd dungeon is accessible without the hammer. But the 3rd isn't. However, some players, like myself, often play death mountain to get the hammer early to have early access to a heart container and the downward thrust making the 2nd dungeon easier. But still is not required for it.

[@shawnheatherly]

The number one entry represents a part of the Zelda series that I am confident will never get remakes or likely even ports.

[@samusx2175]

Somebody remastered the two animated ones.

[@rev2178]

majoras mask 3D was my first zelda game and is now my favorite game of all time, I get it has problems but i absolutely love the game and it was an experience to play for the first time

[@ForrestFox626]

Agreed 100%

[@A2forty]

I still don't understand why people hate weapon durability. There are a tons of good weapons. The only problem was elemental weapons were so good. Totk obviously solved that by basically always having the ability to make a weapon elemental.

[@peachii3124]

this is def unpopular, but i like the rain mechanic in BotW. is it frustrating? hell yeah. annoying? sure. but i like that it forces the player to think, whether that be about alternative methods to getting to their destination, planning for rain ahead of time with stamina foods, or even just doing something else and coming back later. the mechanic is also vital in going to zora's domain, since the player is presented with an actual challenge where they're forced to use paths filled with enemies, instead of just climbing a mountain and paragliding to the domain.

[@CommanderZaktan]

Or use Ascend if you find a cave or a thin ceiling.

[@matthewtrujillo7228]

When i was playing Wind Waker I knew about how bad the triforce hunt was so when i reached that point I decided that it was a problem for later. Later still hasn't happened.

[@mutzielen]

The imprisoned was hands down my least favorite thing in any Zelda game. AND THEN HYRULE WARRIORS MADE YOU DO IT TOO AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@juanpemachinethe_other_hal1898]

The worst thing about Zelda games is that they end 🗿

[@rodrigonogueira9375]

Question for veteran zelda fans: do you find the pacing of gameplay in the earlier 3d games too slow? Botw was my first zelda game, after beating it i started tp but stopped at the second dungeon and i am close to finishing oot. While i enjoy the dungeons ( especially oot), the pacing of the gameplay tears my enjoyment of them. Everything link does is slow, he climbs ledges slow, pushes blocks slow, walks slow making backtracking annoying. And the worst of it, the doors. It feels really nitpicky to say this but i swear opening 10 thousand doors in a shrine and going through the same animation every time just breaks the pace of the game for me. Im enjoying oot a lot, its remarkable how good this 1998 videogame still is today, but i feel like a modernized remake of oot would solve a lot of my pacing issues. But idk, im also really impacient with games in general unfortunately, so i wanted to hear someone elses opinion on the matter.

[@bonnievergin8205]

As someone who's first ever Zelda game was Twilight Princess, and that being when I wasn't even a teenager yet, I really appreciated how slow the beginning was. Before this video, I honestly didn't realize how slow it was, and I can admit that it is. However, it's still in my top 3 favorite Zelda games and I still find playing through it very enjoyable.