Top 5 Best CPUs 2020 Update, AMD Ryzen vs. Intel Core

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Please note my comments regarding the Ryzen 5 3600 price increasing back to $200 US were wrong, it has actually dropped slightly further to $167 US. This really changes nothing in the video, but just wanted to clarify that for anyone I might have confused.

[@mix3k818]

Polish local pricing is surprisingly good, especially for AMD

[@pauloalmeida3728]

Its ok Mc Steve! Keep doin your stuff yo!

[@nitroxinfinity]

No mention for the 1600 AF in the budget section?

[@reikisano4542]

@@nitroxinfinity Apparently it's now difficult to get the 1600AF at its original $85 price nowadays.

[@dirtyph0nics]

Steve sir . Wat if the price droped to 149 usd then will it be a budget cpu .

[@bananya6020]

Hey Steve, I think your video timeline has a typo... At 0:00 you misspelled "Harbor Unbox" as "Hardware Unboxed". Please fix this! edit: thank you for fixing it!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Fixed

[@bananya6020]

@@Hardwareunboxed thanks, my day is now saved :P

[@TheGreenGolem]

Lol, this actually worked

[@DarkReturns1]

@@Hardwareunboxed lol 😂😊

[@CVlad92]

I thought they'll change channel name to harbor unbox

[@CoercedNut]

Holding off on upgrading until Ryzen 4000 series, can’t wait to see what it has to offer!

[@aamgdp]

I honestly wanna see core count go up. 6-8-12 from 4-6-8 for the "general people" lineup

[@olifyne6761]

4900X gonna have 16 cores for sure

[@gasviation9077]

@@aamgdp what if ryzen 5 4600 is 8 core if you....... Omg

[@PookaBot]

Yeah I really want 8 cores so I'm hoping the 4600 will get me that for around $200

[@devindykstra]

@Devil's Advocate 5000 isn't launching till late next year at the earliest.

[@Djoki1]

Top 5 2020 CPU's: 1. Ryzen 5 3600 Thanks for watching Jokes aside, i really didnt expect Intel to enable hyperthreading on i5s this gen thus making them have 12 threads. Its progress, even if its small.

[@MichaelAW17]

The 3600 will go down as one of the best CPUs. Its just sooo goood.

[@circleofsorrow4583]

@@MichaelAW17 my gf's 3600 doesn't seem to drive her 1080ti as hard as my i7 does which is odd. I'll be getting an i9 for my next system...

[@Miggs12]

So happy to see this on every list. Best purchase that I have made in regards to PC building.

[@HereWe_GoAgain]

@@circleofsorrow4583 Really it would depends on the game, resolution and graphical settings but generally Intel still holds a slight advantage in gaming but Amd is killing it on workflows, animation and video editing.

[@FinneousPJ1]

@@circleofsorrow4583 Who cares what it seems or doesn't seem to do. Facts or gtfo lol

[@devflite8782]

Me to my Athlon 3000 : "It's okay my dear. You're my real best budget"

[@BudgetGamerz]

Hugs Ryzen 200GE**

[@shaneeslick]

I love my Athlon200GE with RX550 🤗🥰🥰🥰🥰 CPU usage less than 10w & GPU usage less than 35w & can play my adventure games at 30fps like Mutant: Year Zero with some setting adjustments

[@shaneeslick]

@@BudgetGamerz I love mine too 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@LJohann]

@@adiputrajaya3877 yep hopefully its 4 cores

[@boingkster]

@@shaneeslick if you like adventure games check out Baldurs Gate 2. Great game!

[@tma2001]

Steve: let us know anything else you'd like to see. Just waitin' for the avalanche of B550 reviews!

[@jumongmoves6508]

I swear, that intel corporate talk about switching from "benchmarks to benefit" was one mind boggling stuff. Its like Mr. Fantastic on max speech was talking to me or something.

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

"Meeting competition" budgets will go everywhere now... from OEMs to software vendors.

[@random_birch_forest]

This is what you get when you have a finance guy atop of a tech company, instead of an engineer like Dr Lisa Su

[@Kocan7]

Everything is ok, he meant that features and tech is more important, so things like PCIe4...

[@sunimod1895]

@@Kocan7 but, what is the benefit of PCIe 4? "Doesn't matter. It's just faster."

[@Austin1990]

The purpose of benchmarks is quantify benefit in a repeatable way...

[@versus4582]

'' The Ryzen 5 3600 alone has OUTSOLD all 10th gen Intel Cpu's ...." That says it all in one single sentence !!!!

[@andersjjensen]

This is unfortunately only in the DIY market. The OEM market looks completely different. Especially the laptop market is heavily hampered by the fact that you cant get the 4800H with top end GPUs.

[@Hans.Dewitt]

@@andersjjensen yeah but thats irrelevant to the video...

[@shanez1215]

@@andersjjensen Or decent screens. You'll eat your 60Hz TN and like it!

[@lukalakobrija2771]

Lol its out for a year and 10th gen is only weeks old. I dont see what this proves but that u have no idea how much folded times intel processors are more selled than amd

[@GewelReal]

It's almost like Intel barely came out...

[@boingkster]

Ryzen for the win. I've got a 3600 and couldn't be happier.

[@WamblyHades]

It's just amazing. A CPU prepared for next-gen for less than $180, with just a 65W TDP and a very decent stock cooler. Just flawless.

[@megaglowz8540]

Just built mine around it. Very happy with the performance.

[@circleofsorrow4583]

My GF got one in her new system. It is very good for a very cheap CPU.

[@2KOOLURATOOLGaming]

ಥ‿ಥ R5 2600 ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽ 1050ti

[@ad2wan]

Me too, more power than i5

[@nicknick4917]

The way you accept the whole "harbor" unboxed memes makes me love the channel even more

[@lucas_vlanc]

In my opinion: 3950X = best high-end consumer workstation 10900K(F) = best high-end gaming 3900X = best consumer workstation 3700X = best "midrange" productivity 10600K(F) = best "midrange" gaming 3600 = best all-rounder 3300X = best "budget" gaming 1600 AF = best budget productivity Athlon 3000G = best low-end

[@korosoid]

You forgot about long range gaming, melee gaming, autistic gaming and P2W gaming.

[@xPandamon]

Remove the 10900k entirely and replace it with the 10600k, then exchange the 10600k for a Ryzen.

[@chappy48]

@@Kamellion ummm...the 10600k outperforms every ryzen processor in gaming. Kinda silly to compare it to a 3600 when it is better than a 3900xt and the 3950x which both cost much more. In fact the 10600k is about the same price as a 3700x which would be its direct price point competition and it definitely beats that. Amd performs better in productivity, but intel is still the king of gaming, at least until either zen 3 or zen 4 comes out. Im excited to see their performance numbers.

[@jpesicka492]

I like that, all around. Pretty much sums up the 3600. We will probably never see this kind of value again, least until they make a 5600 non x sku for 229-249. 5600x is my next cpu I think.

[@katech6020]

Intel CEO: if we can't win in benchmark we will say that they don't matter and what matter is getting 6X more soldiers and less artifacts

[@mdd1963]

more 'soldiers'? I don't get it...

[@ZAR556]

@@mdd1963 Intel's new marketing BS

[@katech6020]

@@RAYSGT even intel subreddit has banned them

[@ZAR556]

@@RAYSGT not really, Simpleton probably still believe them And there are lot of them

[@sabrevanson4412]

@@ZAR556 there are a lot of hardcore fanbois. I have used both Intel and AMD. Currently useing AMD as, well....its honestly the best atm. But there are Hard core Intel fanbois that dont care that dollar for dollar AMD wins right now, they still want to waste the money for....what? 5-15% more performance? In extreme cases only....That YOU wont notice? nah bruh, I'd rather save the money and buy a whole new part for the PC.

[@flightlesssquirrel503]

I've bee very satisfied with my 1600AF. I got it when it was cheap, the price has gone a bit crazy since then.

[@srimasis]

You are lucky man, 1600af was never sold in my country

[@SoonerDan77]

I also purchased mine when they were still $85, got it overclocked to 4.0 and it really is great, just waiting for the 4000 series to upgrade.

[@WhiteWolf4ever]

I just ordered 1600af for 104$

[@modderhoop2058]

I wanted to get a 1600AF for my 3rd system, to place at our other house to have a general ms-office and some light cad pc. But the 1600af was out of stock, went for the 2600, was also fine, think they are pretty similar

[@srimasis]

@@WhiteWolf4ever should have bought a 3100 mate

[@sitordan]

You guys have been killing it lately. I really enjoyed the content. keep up the great work and thank you for all the useful information you're providing us.

[@WamblyHades]

Best hardware channel in youtube m8

[@safekraka]

Love your work mate. Just replaced my wife's 10yo system with a 3700X - 2080super system....smiles for miles. Keep up the good work and catch you next time.

[@colin8877]

Is she a robot 🤖 🤣

[@trash3570]

Wow you really love your wife

[@BhammJase]

Hey, it’s me, your girlfriend.

[@blazesmooth5573]

@@BhammJase haha

[@rizkyihwan4139]

are you sure that for your wife not for u use for gaming letter?

[@luckie6593]

Except for you, no body else on the KZbin seems to be using the time stamp feature XD. great comparison as always

[@solarstrike33]

The other Steve too.

[@idcaf]

I've started seeing it everywhere mate. Mostly music videos n stuff. Its good and kudos for those using it

[@stolenhal0]

Gamers Nexus does too.

[@NoRRyRaMpaGe]

I was holding off upgrading my 4790k for ages as Intel's prices were ridiculous recently upgraded to 3600x asus b450 f and 16gb crucial ballistix rgb ram all for the same price as an intel cpu, amd have really came to the rescue for gamers

[@notafanboy250]

came?

[@MachokRomeo]

Still using mine (4790k), waiting zen 3 for rescue

[@TheKratoKiller]

Should’ve bought a 9600k shits on a 3600x and same price

[@KsaCommentator]

@@TheKratoKiller Really? Interesting I'm now upgrading my PC and I'm going for i5-10600K, but is there another options you recommend? Any advice will help, thanks

[@x47gc]

@@TheKratoKiller this was 4 months ago

[@johngray3449]

Intel: Benchmarks no longer matter! (10:18) Buys: Ok, we'll use price then. Intel: No don't look a price either. Buys: ...

[@noobadhi7029]

lol

[@Blue_Pumpkin]

Intel has totally lost it. Just accept defeat and start fresh just like AMD did. They came back with a bang with their Ryzen series. It's time to ditch thr Core i series, take a break and then come back stronger. What's the use in coming up with non-competitive products ?

[@sabrevanson4412]

@@Blue_Pumpkin I agree. Intel needs to change, but they dont want to. They have a minor edge in game, and lets be fair here it is minor. But the cost to achieve that edge is not IMO worth it. Intel needs to change how it sees this. SADLY, there are so many hardcore Blue fans that dont care about the price differnce. They only see AMD 165 FPS, Intel 175FPS for +100$. Thats all they see. Its a shame. I personally would love to see Intel take a year ass a loss (well another i guess they got clobbered in 2019) and finally go to 7nm, or even try to beat AMD to 5nm. and come out swinging like a champ. But, i fear they wont.....at least not yet.

[@Thefuror38500]

Look at the pretty box instead, and at those x6 time more soldier that you have

[@IronRoadDriver]

@@sabrevanson4412 To put it into context though, considering Intels problems with 10nm parts and being stuck on the same node, they have done pretty well to maintain a single thread advantage. I don't have any bias towards any company I simply favour whoever gives the best value. If Intel had a decent amount of speed on 10nm AMD could well have ended up being 10-25% behind Intel, so I guess AMD got lucky. Maybe lucky enough to gain the performance crown for a couple of years but Intel will come back at some point, but us consumers will be the winners so I say bring it on. Intel have been taking advantage of the situation for years so its great to see them backed into a corner for a change.

[@lifting75]

Intel: “Benchmarks no longer matter” Also Intel: “Best gaming CPU for FPS”, which is determined with.... yeah benchmarks

[@SuperLC1010]

Everyone: Which CPU? AMD: Yes Intel: $$$$$ ?

[@GP-qb9hi]

What do you do with a 64 core CPU? *i cRAtE tHumBnAiLsSss*

[@mix3k818]

Man, I'd wish I was that rich

[@Hardwareunboxed]

I only have the 24-core one, but I'd probably still just create thumbnails with the 64-core version.

[@reyy1k]

@@Hardwareunboxed only? Lol

[@kesamek8537]

Make Wintersun albums except then you need several 64 cpus.

[@shanez1215]

@@mix3k818 Just wait a few more years. Zen 4 is probably gonna have an 8 core for 200 (8 core CCX's), so we might see some 24 or 30 core Ryzens.

[@henkpotgieter5299]

Still rocking my 1600 and really cant complain

[@augustosantos6860]

me too, i will wait another 2 years to upgrade i probably

[@gasviation9077]

My trash Intel cpu is still running (yeah surprice huh)

[@Linets.]

@Darth Wheezius I can save you 😉 3700x now I'm cocky 😬

[@gernblanston4956]

@AbdooMs EG , nothing better than a crying fan boy first thing in the morning

[@luismeza1487]

Same with my 1400 OC to 3.9

[@Reyfox1]

"Benchmarks don't matter.... just buy it!"

[@tomclean8010]

"Games don't matter..." - After Ryzen 4000

[@lickkittysplit3871]

It just works!

[@malcolmholmes2596]

Hodd Toward and Tim Apple would be proud

[@NEZLeader]

They've turned into the propaganda in the movie 'They Live' and many companies with far-left ideology: "Don't ask questions, just shut up and *CONSUME* "

[@DeepFriedOreoOffline]

Thank you, I feel very welcomed here at Harbor Boxed! :D

[@MonicaHolly143]

Im rocking ryzen 7 3700x and 2060 super And it rips in rendering compare to my previous intel cpu

[@mdw1927]

Me too. Added 32gb ram. For photo and light video editing its a beast.

[@MrAcedelux]

same 32gb ram but a 2070 super

[@amirplays1609]

When you're entire shelf is more expensive than my car

[@lansiman]

depends on what car

[@TryNotToDieOmega]

Your*. You're welcome.

[@ccgb92]

your*

[@T33K4Y]

yo'ure''

[@voicelag]

Fiat 500?

[@NawiTheCore]

RIP Intel It's only worth your money if you have way too much of it and you don't mind wasting it...

[@Clifton100]

And i9 cpus w/8+ cores oc result in energy demand that costs more $$. 14nm is behind the times.

[@quantum_vortex_]

Yep, I’m switching very soon and I’m proud

[@VictorHugoVHPassos]

I've used an i7 2600k for 6 years. Upgraded in 2019 for the Ryzen 3600. I'm very very happy with my system.

[@nitinbhattacharyya8784]

Used an Intel core 2 duo for 10years,2009-2019 can't be happier with R5 3600

[@xx0utxlawxx]

Love my cpu ryzen 5 3600! I can’t wait until 4th gen though

[@danielkaiser8343]

I have the 1950x

[@yiepie9822]

Daniel Kaiser A Ryzen 5 3600 actually beats it by a considerable in gaming and streaming performance

[@dontanton7775]

Best consumer oriented hardware channel atm, imho.

[@ihavethebestwords984]

The 3600 is $167 USD 🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@trash3570]

Man I wish I lived in the states, the fuckin 3300x is 200$ in Canada

[@v1k1ng43]

@@trash3570 230 usd in india :(

[@trash3570]

@@v1k1ng43 ouch that's rough

[@guilhermedias8380]

TrashKanKid 3600 is 325 usd in Brazil, how about that?

[@nathangamble125]

At that point I'd start looking at Aliexpress Xeons if I wanted to build a gaming PC. Shipping costs are a bit of a pain, but you can get 6-core overclockable Sandy bridge CPUs for about $50 (canadian!)

[@Filip1389_]

Bought Ryzen 7 3700x could not be happier

[@AnalogFoundry]

Same, brother!

[@Linets.]

Mee too guys 😄

[@jeroenhuisman6755]

With what gpu did you combine it?

[@Linets.]

@@jeroenhuisman6755 1060 6gb 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just waiting Ampere and 1060 6gb is ok on competitive games when OCd 😁

[@Filip1389_]

@@jeroenhuisman6755 RX 5700XT Aorus

[@bananya6020]

Watched GN's video on this, time to see the other Steve's picks...

[@spiicypotato]

One born of light and another of dark, a ripple drawing the two of them together

[@ZAR556]

Spoiler Same Steve, same taste

[@davehill9951]

I'm gonna stick with my AMD 1800x for a while longer, still treats me well and does everything I need it to. Hell I am going to get commented on this but I ran an AMD 965 black edition for over ten years before I changed to the 1800x.

[@sgtace]

I've got 3900X and it is overkill for average productivity tasks. I hope it will last me at least 10 years as did my old 4 gen i5.

[@alrizo1115]

Depends. If you watch tech news too much and get carried away, you might be tempted to upgrade soon.

[@perfectdiversion]

Making a pc last 10 years is a stretch but if you do and it works then good on you. I like to build a system to last around 5 years because by that point the gpu is worth upgrading

[@mdd1963]

It would be hard to imagine 12 cores/24 threads as being overly 'challenged' on any set of tasks for at least an entire handful of years!

[@srimasis]

My friend who runs a i7 2600 is still rocking it in 2020. So I believe 3900x can easily run at least next 8 years. Top end CPUs usually last longer at least for gaming

[@mdd1963]

@@srimasis quite possibly so, yes; we'll have to see what effect DDR5 and eventually Intel's 'flash drives running on RAM sticks' gimmick does... (GOd knows, folks are still using FX processors, so, 8 years is quite likely)

[@n1kobg]

I plan to get the 10700k or kf because I dont plan to upgrade at least 3 years, unless there is a significant jump in ipc. The New Gen Consoles will make sure the games be optimized for 8 cores 16 threads plus the pure Dx12 engines are getting more every year. Im mostly gaming on low res so makes sense to get eigther the 10600k or 10700k.

[@PookaBot]

Yeah the 6 cores makes me very leery of how well the 3600 will actually age.

[@n1kobg]

@@RAYSGT Go play Fortnite on 1440p Ultra and dont tell me what to do. I am an enthusiast long before that word got used by Intel marketing and became a meme. Never used a stock CPU in my life and im using these since before internet or hard disk drives was a thing. I know how to sqeze the most out of these chips. Until zen3 come out, Intel is the faster gaming solution. You should compare both CPUs on Max Overclock, otherwise you cant say which one is faster. Im an overclocker, never cared about power consumption.

[@NexusFantismo]

The Ryzen 5 3600 is the new i5 2400 : Incredible value and performance for years to come.

[@quintoblanco8746]

Even better, it's also power efficient.

[@yarchieduke]

Gonna last for some people until ddr6, like how 4th gen i7s could skip ddr4.

[@elsasslotharingen7507]

It'll probably last until we get carbon nanotube processors.

[@NewmanOnGaming]

I've been running a 3900x with an Asus RTX 2070 with M.2 samsung drives for a while now. Still runs as the best render rig for the price for me. Gaming during downtime is pretty decent too.

[@HeriYanto-ig2nr]

I've been using 3700x with 2070super for 6 months now.. nothing to complain..

[@Blue_Pumpkin]

Great combo. Now enjoy for 3 years

[@sabrevanson4412]

Solid. You good to go for a while my dude

[@solarstrike33]

Same here, but I switched in February.

[@UsmanAli-ue9yj]

I'll be going for a similar build but will get the rx 5700xt red devil, which psu do u use? I have a 650w corsair tx650m gold. Will this be ok?

[@nicane-9966]

The cpu Will last all gen withou problems. A very capable cpu for greater upgrades ing gpu terms.

[@ambro2786]

Been loving the 3900x and 2080Super setup for a while now! It crushes gaming and productivity! Cant wait for Ampere too

[@Knebebelmeyer]

10600k vs. 3700x.....there are much equal BUT, you need a new Board!!...This is the major Issue with this! If the 10600k would run on a 370/390 it could be the best Cpu for Gamers!!...But you have to buy a new board, so u have to spent 500$..... its not worth the money

[@riancrv5932]

Yah,, its seriously problem for intel👍

[@saashaa51]

You will new board anyway if you upgrade after more than 3 years(upgrading every year/2 years is a waste of money in my opinion). And with which mobo you can hit $500 mark?

[@blacklotu5223]

Very true but you have to figure most all ppl upgrading to one or the other are gonna have to buy a new Mobo either way.

[@srimasis]

@@saashaa51 what he meant was intel CPU+mobo can easily cross 500+

[@modderhoop2058]

Yes, but you only keep your AMD board if you already had a 1xxx amd cpu. Intel supports 2 gens, amd supports 4, but amd releases them twice as fast. So practically its not much difference. I never upgraded my pc within 4 year because i always buy high end, but on the low end, sure you can swap out cpus after every few gens.

[@vivianmalhiers864]

This channel is so underrated, I don't know why you don't have more subscribers? Quality content, no bullsh*t.

[@MaxwellStarr]

TL:DR: AMD wins.

[@techpappee]

Your results are exactly what I expected. I did think you would pick the 10600k from jump but I understand the rationale. I recently picked up the 3700X for *$269 @ Micro Center* , a beast in price/performance at the price! Couldn't be happier. Just slap that puppy in my B450 Tomahawk, update chipset driver and I was set. BIOS was already updated 😉

[@travisosburn2378]

Can you do a video on Infinity Fabric vs Ring Bus? With a note on scalability/latency 👍

[@Winnetou17]

One thing which might be nice to be added at the end is when are the next releases going to arrive (confirmed or rumored). That should be really helpful for consumers. Maybe an average Joe comes over this video in september, 2 days before Ryzen 4000 series. He'll be soo pissed that he had no idea that a new release would be so soon, and that he'll enjoy a better product or the same, but cheaper. Other than that, thank for your work :)

[@TechnoFreak-IN]

waiting for ZEN 3 processors! im on hold rn.

[@alrizo1115]

Wise decision

[@michaelgooley229]

Same here tbh

[@dannydanutzu1]

I guess will be more expensive...so i stick on my 3700x

[@chappy48]

Honestly best bet is to wait on zen 4 since the socket will change. Zen 3 will be awesome, but the upgrade potential will be low unless you also replace the motherboard.

[@TechnoFreak-IN]

@@chappy48 no thanks im not immortal

[@GroudsYT]

Underated video ,I respect this

[@SonicCaliburS4]

Any "best CPU" video: 3990X: I need no introduction, I already won this category.

[@solarstrike33]

​@Static Charge Red Field They're already destroying Intel at everything in that field. 4900X...god I can't imagine it either...

[@NewmanOnGaming]

@@solarstrike33 If they come out with a 4900X.. If they push performance and moved to a single CCX.. the latency and efficiency will be insane.

[@Excalabur50]

Really Happy with my 3700X it's such a great CPU!

[@lukeh9300]

Damn I'm broke but i always watch tech videos thinking, ya I'll buy that one day. 😭

[@allenqueen]

Haha, in the same boat since 2016. Just dreaming of getting a PC

[@notafanboy250]

I'm not but I'm so cheap I haven't upgraded in 6 years and I agree with your comment lol

[@PrettyboyPa]

What about the 1600af? Its selling for $105 right now in the $100-$150 price range and has 2 extra cores for those wanting to stream or do other tasks while gaming

[@MJ-Kazim]

Who else dodged his finger when he pointed

[@shaneeslick]

I wish he filmed in 3D for that 👉😲

[@chriswong2012]

Clear, Concise, Informative. Support and thanks for the suggestions!

[@RatanSingh-wv8ht]

Have a 3700x. Saving money to get a 2060

[@riancrv5932]

Good choice bro..

[@WamblyHades]

Now that's a CPU to stay a lot of years with.

[@Dibowac]

You're better off getting a 5600 XT or 5700. [03-06-2020_15-07.] But your money your choice I guess lol.

[@xPandamon]

@@Dibowac If drivers would be better, sure. I've got a RX5600 XT and while i'm pretty happy with it it does have some smaller issues that annoy me

[@andersjjensen]

@@xPandamon What I get from the pipeworks: A clean Windows install from an ISO that includes the latest major updates does wonders.

[@Challechallechalle]

I would like to see a poll regarding the use case demographics for this channel. Like who is actually interested in productivity benchmarks and who really only needs to see game benchmarks?

[@Wongseifu548]

3900x is still the best between price and performance imo

[@phoenixzappa7366]

3300x surely

[@phoenixzappa7366]

For gaming anyway

[@stephenf98]

I love watching your channel and Tech Deals as well...Always informative and down to earth. In December I upgraded my wife’s computer finally after 10yrs of use. I must say I didn’t have a choice either, if you know what I mean…. Taking the best from both channels, Tech convinced me best bang for the buck was the R5-3600 as you just confirmed, again. What I loved on your channel was your data on the MB thermals, price ranges, etc. and went with the TUF x570 - for 3 reasons, was in the price range with upgradability, the thermals in the middle, and as Tech stated, for a few $$ more save the headache with the BIOS flashing… She is not into gaming so I didn’t need FPS, just for her small video making, zoom conferencing and general business. The ASUS 1660 OC w/8GB was perfect. With everything new was just under $1,100US. For me, I’ll wait to see what’s coming out with AMD later this year or so. What I need my unit for is mostly business, but sneak in a game or 2 like civilization & borderlands even if mine is 12yrs old - an i5 - 3.2 on an old P55 MB with a EVGA GT730 GPU.

[@ΜΙΧΑΗΛ-κ1φ]

I would go with 3700X for best all-rounder

[@StrugglingBeliever]

Its really good But its not a cheap cpu by any means.

[@yarchieduke]

So the 8700k clone is the best gaming cpu?

[@mattjamieson1983]

I went from a 4690k to a 3900x :D

[@PookaBot]

My 4690k is still scraping by with a 4.5ghz all core OC but it definitely struggles in a few new games. Hoping I can hold on for Ryzen 3

[@Hans.Dewitt]

@@PookaBot you mean ryzen 4000

[@detroid89]

@@PookaBot hold on mate - not too long now. It will definitely be worth the wait!

[@martinhogan9745]

I went from a 4790k to a 3900X as well. It is amazing how much better it is.

[@gernblanston4956]

Good to see people getting sick and tired of intel violating their caboose

[@tongjingyen5697]

Great comprehensive video!

[@munshimoshihudhossain6009]

This is not the right time to buy CPU. We need faster GPU

[@bongotoucan7913]

GPUs are fine, tf are you trying to do?

[@lepari9986]

@@bongotoucan7913 are fine? Nah, you need to pay astonishing amounts to get decent GPU, CPUs are rarely the bottleneck even if you get a cheap one.

[@bongotoucan7913]

T Hakala if by astonishing you mean top end then yes, but things like the rx570, 2060 super, even the 1660Ti are all very solid cards.

[@SpeedsterBlur]

@@lepari9986 Oh you are definitely wrong on that. It's much better to get a better cpu than a better GPU first. If you're CPU bottlenecked you get tons of stuttering in a lot of games. Sure you can have higher settings to try to get the load onto the gpu, but unless the game in question is mainly gpu bound manifest you'll deal with a constant hitching. I've gone through this twice. Once with a 1050ti paired with a core 2 quad q8300 and again with an rx 5700-xt paired with an i7 3770. Being GPU bottlenecked means you can't have the settings as high, but your framerate despite being lower will be more consistent depending on the game of course, but in most cases you should have a more consistent framerate. After getting an r5 1600AF and pairing that with my rx 5700-xt most of the stuttering stopped and many games became a lot smoother.

[@Thefuror38500]

@@SpeedsterBlur You are confusing "gpu bottleneck" with the stuttering caused by a cpu being overloaded (like the core i5 6/7th gen for example, 4c/4t not being enought for modern games). I can garantee you that a 1700x for example is going to be a "bottleneck" for a 2080ti at 1080p, but you won't have troubles with stuttering.

[@zeldafan296ify]

Love the music and great summary of the parts

[@RiskyBRiskyB]

I have a 3600 and low-key wish I waited two weeks for a 10600k (even though I hate Intel's practices).

[@alrizo1115]

3600 a good choice too.

[@_yuri]

well youu can upgrade to 4600 by selling 3600 just a few days before launch and get it on launch day somehow 🧠

[@syrynx4454]

@@_yuri thats just like me.Previosly had a 6700k, 8700k, ryzen 3600 and now 3700x, when the 4000 lunches i'll get it probably.

[@boomstick5501]

I went AMD for the first time, I got a 3900x and man it was great decision!

[@MrDgt66]

9:34 "Gaming happens with Intel" HAHA! 💩

[@relikvija]

Dude, great videoz

[@maitai6407]

From an I7-4790k, I should be fine with a 10900k

[@circleofsorrow4583]

I have the same CPU...from the benchmarks I've seen I'll be getting an i9 next...

[@alrizo1115]

Some will bash you for not going the ryzen route but it's your choice. 10900k still a beast

[@riancrv5932]

Woww.. thats a really big surge

[@srimasis]

You should wait for Ryzen 4000 series CPUs

[@circleofsorrow4583]

@@srimasis I think everyone is...

[@kolasni13]

Always a solid review covering most of what peope need. Good job guys!

[@AjrAlves]

We should treat 14nm++++++ CPUs as legacy right now hahaha

[@Enoiye]

I am currently running intel and looking to upgrade on a budget. Been hearing about ryzen. Don't know rather to switch or stick to intel. My budget upgrade goal is to get 120+fps on warzone with high settings. Current build: i5 7600k gtx970

[@jadedrivers6794]

Great video Steve, keep up the good work!

[@spearofodhinn]

wouldnt mind upgrading mine but been runnin the 2700x since it acme out. and i reckon im good for a few more years.only need a new gpu.but with prices here thatll take a bit

[@leroygreen1877]

Just built a Taichi x570 3900x and its an absolute beast. Took only 8 mintues to load windows 10 (Clean Install) from a fresh SSD. Games play with flawless FPS. My only gripe is the W10 RGB software is problematic to say the least. Other then that love the AMD 3900x!

[@JD96893]

Damn, you guys have been coming out with some great content lately.

[@imthemetalguy1]

I built my new pc before the start of the year. Got me a 2700x and dont regret it

[@GlitchTechX]

Great content as always.. Kudos!

[@theangryaardvark3507]

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max + Ryzen 5 3600 can't go wrong for great value and strong performance. I bought mine in FEB this year just before the Sh!T hit the fan with shortages and price hikes, and I must say I love that set up. For good middle of the range set up, coupled with an RTX 2060 super and 16 GIG DDR 3200mhz it runs very well. Will look at an upgrade later this year when all settles down and the new series are launched.

Some benchmarks services also manipulate results(one of them is Userbenchmark team) unfortunately. In the comparison and explanation sections of their website, they make nonscientific comments about Ryzen processors. I'm sure they are getting dirty payments from Intel for this. Intel and Nvidia are doing a lot of these tricks. For example, threatening laptop and motherboard manufacturers not to use AMD! lntel want they use AMD processors only in crappy/low level products(like Asus Tuf and MSI Mech series) to avoid monopoly lawsuits. Asus even produced AMD versions of the famous Rog Strix graphics cards defective and later admitted that they were manufacturing defects. this was not an accident ;)

[@lordxeno1812]

Brought a 3900x and x570 aorus master 3 months ago. I know its not the absolute peak in gaming but I am completely statisfied and I also plan to sell the 3900x and upgrade to Zen3 if there is a significant performance increase. Ive always had intel for the past 15 years but I wont be going back until they can actually offer something more than incremental upgrades.

[@CausticCreations]

love the vids man

[@cubano100pct]

I have the Intel Core i7 4790K and been looking at the Intel Core i9-10900K or AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT for development and gaming. Can you do a comparison between these two processors?

[@s1l3nc3r3]

Just wondering in the future when you do these reviews, in the top gaming section. If you guys will start to base the CPU's around GPU/Monitor resolution combination, or are you just going to base all data around 1080P? I know money value changes a lot at 1440P and massively even outs at 4K.

[@GabbyTech]

very nice list well done

[@bryndal36]

I upgraded last month to the Ryzen 5 3600 with a Cooler Master Hyper 212X hsf, Asrock Steel Legend B450 mobo, 16GB DDR4 3200 Corsair ram and Samsung 250GB 970 EVO Plus NVME SSD. I already had a Galax RTX2060 GPU and Corsair 650W 80+ Bronze PSU. The system runs great.

[@robby_zhang]

What about 1600 af which is currently on sale for $105?

[@nostrum6410]

if you can actually find one

[@lucedas3890]

Built a new PC around a 3600 on your recommendations in December. Couldn’t be happier...except I’m waiting on a GPU upgrade, stuck with my old GTX 670 until next gen GPU’s. Can’t wait to see what your recommendations are when they finally come around

[@McCarthy880]

Not a good time to upgrade GPU. The next gen GPU are coming in couple of months, and they are expected to have substantial improvements from previous gen

[@zactron1997]

I see what you did with the chapter 1 title, I like it

[@nazibur_rahman]

Intel core i5 9300h or ryzen 5 4600h which is better?

[@stopka969]

Could you make video about 10700F vs 3700x? Its pretty close price point, they can be both paired with cheaper motherboards and they both come with stock cooler.

[@captaindinosaur8286]

What's great about the competition between Intel and AMD is that now even the cheap processors are pretty amazing. A few years ago, I bought a cheap desktop PC and it was barely even useable because the processor could barely handle running Windows. We're getting closer to the point where you can buy almost laptop or desktop at any price point, and the daily use performance is fantastic.

[@niar69]

3:22 10400 does not require a z490 board because it can't be overclocked. You may only need it if you want to tune your memory

[@Bareego]

but you can't get any other boards right now

[@niteowl9733]

It would be cool to see a video that pits sound cards vs the latest onboard. I've heard many people say sound cards aren't even worth it these days. Im really curious to see what a deep dive on this subject looks like.

[@lepari9986]

Thanks for the video, hopefully you make a quick update when the matisse refresh is released.

[@venkatramanan4137]

waiting for those!

[@lepari9986]

@@venkatramanan4137 yeah same here, although might end up waiting all the way to the 4000 series.

[@SolosCrazy]

I appreciate how well this video was made

[@alijaafari210]

can you make a video about all pc gamer build range? THANKS for the great video as always👍

[@dalethomas7944]

Recently built new computer and went with the 3600x which was an upgrade from my AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Thuban 6-Core 2.7 GHz long time in the making lol. Old computer was a champ though, lasted 9 years and was still going strong but it was time to move on. I went from a Radeon HD 6870 1GB to a ROG Strix 2080 super lol. Beat that upgrade.

[@xerusume]

What about the 1600 AF for $105?

[@badejong]

Great video! Thank you...