TOP 5 BEST ELECTRIC Dirt eBikes Of The YEAR! | Is 2023 the YEAR of Electric Dirt Bikes?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

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[@ishwardabi6035]

Hi to

[@levibaker-tu9ri]

@@ishwardabi6035 hi

[@kerrynball2734]

The ability to ride EBike on 5 Acre block without upsetting the neighbors and half the neighborhood is very attractive. I know part of the excitement of MX bike is the sound. But the e-bikes could potentially open up many many more places to ride.

[@actionfaction2558]

Right. That’s exactly why I want one…

[@MX-CO]

Definitely

[@Aubatron]

That's what I was thinking. I ride a Honda CRF250L, FMF exhaust with the silencer in it but it is still loud. I get weird looks even in places where I'm legally allowed to ride, then if I go where I'm not allowed, people freak out. I mean rightly so, even though I drive slowly and respectfully near people. an Ebike just opens up so many more options. I've been noticing a lot of trails putting up signs here in Canada saying no Ebikes lately though...

[@ChitFromChinola]

The sound is still cool - think Star Wars Speeder bike.

[@studio_tron]

I am a beginner (really starting to attempt to crawl) in the powered bike realm of life. I've rode BMX, MTB, and even Unicycles, but powered bikes are a whole different animal! I recently bought a Sur Ron X light bee black edition... I am still in the basic learning stages. I love your videos and just seeing how experienced you are riding and how comfortable you are with all different types of bikes really helps me understand what is ideal for one's experience level. You really do break things down to a basic level where anyone can relate and understand. Thank you for your videos, you do great work! Honestly, if I was as experienced as you and making videos about these bikes; I can't imagine a world where I could do it any better than you... you are the standard by which all others should be measured. Keep up the good work!

[@liusunny3186]

hello friend may I introduce our bike to you?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@StudioTron That is one hell of a compliment, thank you very much! Definitely try to speak to riders of all abilities and glad that resonates with you. Great to hear you've made the jump over to eMoto. The Surron Lightbee X is such a great bike to transition from BMX or MTB! Enjoy the riding and thanks for the support!

[@jeffreykennedy5956]

Saddle time

[@Etienne85]

Nice comparison, to keep up to date with latest models. I would have categorized differently though: - ultra-light (55-70kg): LightBee/Talaria Sting - light (85kg): UltraBee - normal-weight : freeride e-xc, storm-bee - full size/heavy bike: starkvarg - off-category: ...

[@LeeGHThomas]

Thanks for this insight. I am excited for what is to come. I love combustion dirtbikes and motorcycles but I simply can’t ignore the advantages an electric bike provides maintenance wise for the mechanically obtuse and sneaking around where you shouldn’t be.

[@barrylopatic8543]

key word....sneaking around! That's what's got me super interested also!!

[@VoltedAdventures]

Awesome video bro! The future looks bright 🙌🏼

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Volted Adventures Thanks dude! Future is bright for sure! Looking forward to seeing what 2023 will produce.

[@yaitstac7267]

should i buy the talaria right now or wait

[@LiGhTSSoUTT321]

Buy it there not gonna change it

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@YaitsTac I would go for it. Get the version with the Factory or Fastace fork and enjoy it. Even if you're waiting on the Ultra Bee, it'll be several months of time that you could be riding your Talaria!

[@bryandickerson5365]

Excellent work ECR - thanks to quality content, excellent production and no BS delivery, you’re livin’ the dream. Keep it up!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Bryan Dickerson Thanks for the note, Bryan! Appreciate your support.

[@adobomoto]

I think Im gonna give the ultrabee or stormbee a shot

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Adobo Moto Yeah man! Think you'll love them. Especially the Ultra...

[@surronsd]

Very well done tucker, 2023 is going to be epic. The varg and the ultra bee are what I’m looking forward to the most

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Surron SD For sure!! Super excited for both of those bikes to hit the market.

[@justincoats7236]

The Stark Varg won't be ready until maybe 2025. They are playing us. I don't think they have the range. They are faking it.

[@felixb.59]

Same 👌🏼🤙🏻

[@williamcrotts7054]

Not with Joe Biden as president.

[@michaelrowave]

Glad I found this channel. I ride mountain bikes daily and when I considered an e-bike I started looking at dual sports. Ebikes are too expensive to justify being an early adopter as transportation, reliability and safety are all in the new modest options for less than a MTB. I would love an ebike someday but my budget or income would have to change unless one of the bigger traditional manafacturers off something to compete with a KLR300 or similar options in size/cost. I dont even have to ask if any of these bikes are priced below $6000. Working on and servicing ebikes is still anew deal too but all things equal I would ditch loud and smelly in a heartbeat. Hopefully you cover enduro, smaller sized options late too.

[@laryking5171]

Surron is the most versatile. Can do a street, MX or mtb style and a lot of power upgrades.

[@MX-CO]

I agree I've wanted something like A Levo for years but I couldn't afford one, So I bought 2 mopeds for $2500 *for both* One 2004 Honda metropolitan for $1000 And a 2019 for $1500 So me and the wife could both Cruz around town and take them camping etc. For the price The 2 mopeds were definitely the better deal and They hold their value, I'm certain I could sell them and get 100% of my money back because I bought them used.

[@ethan0wnz479]

Sick footage and great reviews. 🤙

[@danielrecker1305]

amazing video, exactly what I was looking for! I am very interested in the Ultra Bee. Is there going to be a full review soon?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Daniel Recker Yessir! Should have the Surron Ultra Bee review up by the end of December or early January.

[@Regdor]

@@ElectricCycleRider a dealer told me the Ultra Bee won't be available for purchase until summer 2023. Are you hearing different?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

​@@Regdor Your question really reflects your username! Haha. Love it. I can't really verify when the production units will arrive at dealers because it sounds like that is still up in the air. Everyone is still dealing with supply chain/port issues but the safe answer is that the Ultra Bee's will be hopefully be available for purchase within the first half of the 2023, which could mean summer 2023 at the latest. So your dealer is probably correct in giving you the safe answer. The unit I'll be test riding in a few weeks is just a single unit that was sent for that purpose and unfortunately not part of a big container shipment of production bikes.

[@cmdr_stretchedguy]

Time to look at the E-Ride Pro SS... 72V, 40Ah, 19" rims for $4900. This is the one I may be picking up in the near future.

[@Campfussell]

Excellent info. I wasn't aware of the Stark Varg, or the Electric Motion. So ,I subscribed!

[@Hobbies4Hire]

Great job on the video! Thanks for making it.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Hobbies4Hire Appreciate the note!

[@easternyellowjacket276]

Decided on purchasing the EM Escape R. Here in the northeast, most trails are rocky, tight, with downed wood and technical with rocky brook crossing all over the place. Placed a deposit a couple of weeks ago and should be in next week.

[@ColtMiddleton]

I am sure you have tested the armstrong . I like the way the swingarm is in pivot with the drive sprocket no chain tighting or looseing on rear wheel travel. I also like the adjustable seat height and the light weight . what are your comments on the armstrong xr-e ?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Colt Middleton For sure! I spent a few weeks with the Armstrong XR-E. The video will be up soon and I don't want to give too much away but I think it has some hits and misses. One of it's strongest attributes is the powertrain. I'll explain what I don't like about it in the review video. Don't want to blast that out here!

[@davestevens4263]

I’m 6ft tall 195 lbs & just purchased a Sur ron x & I love the light weight & smaller size it makes the bike more fun to ride . I don’t know why it doesn’t come gear down, I went with a 54 tooth & it gained torq & still goes 50 mph . I do a lot of hills & it can be geared down even more .

[@marrzie467]

50mph? Have you tested with gps?

[@volksquadman]

Rarely use my petrol bikes now, since buying an Lbx, it makes decades of using fuel bikes feel really old hat. Lbx Eats rear tyres tho' Such fun.

[@shockadellick]

@Electric Cycle Rider Excellent review.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@shockadellick Thanks man, appreciate it.

[@JenniferDay-kj2ct]

This is very helpful. I've had two T.stings and they super to ride. I have just took up MTB downhill so the sting comes in handy for practice riding at speed over mix terrain.

[@travishimself1973]

Hopefully the stark varg has a lights kit so I can get rec reg for it

[@jamesbarnes9401]

Great review and very informative. I have only ridden the Sur Ron LB, the Time ET, and currently own the Velimotor VMX3000 which I believe is the same bike as the Admitjet. Of the 3, I definitely favor the VMX which is somewhat of a KTM Freeride E copy chassis with a 12kw peak, 4 speed transmission motor. I was wondering if you have rode this bike yet and I'm very interested in your opinion on it. I only have around 20 miles on it, but thus far it has been pretty impressive as far as build quality and performance for the price. Keep up the great reviews!

[@LammensB]

Great comparisation! How is the throttle latency on the start varg? On the ktm e-ex, this is perfect with almost no latency between sudden throttle input and rear wheel movement. I have ridden light bee and zero fxs, and both suffer from too high throttle latency for slow technical riding.

[@Niconico_t]

I live in sf and i really wish Alta redshift right here in Brisbane was still in the market so i could take it around sf parks

[@JohnOwens-kd4eo]

What if im 6'-1" 260lbs, im used to the 450 dirt bike. KTM etc. What bike would you recommend. It needs to be street legal. In the NJ Pine lands the bike needs to be legal for the street.

[@Niconico_t]

Can you also create a category for best track bike/ or bike that can be ridden hard then have its battery swapped to get more laps

[@erictalaria6153]

i have really been enjoying my talaria sting

[@McRVP]

Which of all the bikes or any others have the biggest frame. I'm 6'2" and looking for something bigger. The Sur Ron looks mini when Im sitting on it. Id like to take my wife as a passanger sometimes with added foot pegs. Any suggestions?

[@YTFPV]

So exciting all those bike!

[@tylermckinnon8326]

I own a 2019 zero fxs, have a stark varg reservation and am hoping the stark is much quicker. Am i going to be disappointed, or does the stark’s hp/torque live up to the hype?

[@jamesgregware5500]

How about a list of those "To keep a close eye out for" and why? The Varg is my choice - today - but the cost is somewhat prohibitive. Are there any up-and-coming competitors that will compete well against the Varg but have a cost appreciably cheaper?

[@MX-CO]

You can Get a nice Honda CR125 or YZ125 used for $1500-$3000 all the performance most people can handle. For street I just picked up a Honda Metropolitan for $1000 I would love to have some of These e-bikes but as of now they are way out of my budget

[@mbarnatan1]

Any info on the Rieju EMR? I know it will be in the US this summer.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Marcos Barnatan Yessir. Rieju eMR video is in the edit queue, should be posted in a few weeks!

[@mbarnatan1]

@@ElectricCycleRider Looking forward to it. The Rieju may be a good alternative for some of us not needing as much power as the Stark.

[@Craizg35]

Looking for mid sized e-bikes for my 8yo. He had an iron-e (Stacyc) but has out grown it. Also, he is too small for a full size. Help! I’ve been scouring KZbin.

[@martinfoster5163]

It's a decent set of choices. However, it's very USA centric. Is most of your audience in the USA? The Storm Bee enduro and street versions have been selling in some countries for a while. I've had mine for over 1 year. The enduro version, so I'd like to nominate it for the best dual-sport. The Zero is more of an adventure bike and not particularly good at that due to range - current battery tech makes adventure touring almost impossible for electric bikes. It's reputed to be quite poor off-road. Dual-sport, to me, means more off-road weighted but with the equipment to make it street legal.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Martin Foster For sure. We love the viewership from all the countries who watch content on ECR but we are largely speaking to a North American audience when it comes to bike availability. It's a shame that bikes like your Surron Storm Bee aren't street legal in the US but it doesn't help our audience to recommend a bike that they can't buy or can't use as intended. The Storm is indeed a better off road bike than the Zero FX but because you can't plate it in the USA, we can't consider it to be a dual sport here.

[@martinfoster5163]

@@ElectricCycleRider Fair enough. I totally understand. So I'd nominate the Surron Storm Bee for the best dual-sport everywhere else but not the USA.

[@FaithandActiondotnet]

Really great video! I'm also tired of the robot style best-of videos, & I agree with your assessments of all the bikes from what I can tell. And so that new SurRon Ultra Bee won't be here in the US then? Thanks, finally a proper thorough review.

[@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249]

Talaria Sting isn’t quiet at all. The battery and other components rattles are older than any other bike.

[@briandhoward6137]

You definitely do not here much about the drill one anymore. Great video.

[@simonasimak9523]

@electriccyclerider what you say about Drill Evo? Im 6.1 and 225lbs... Battery range on trials, my height and Weight for this bike...

[@SoldierBoy3064]

best bike to mount 2 72volt batteries? I want maximum range

[@TepcoCycleRepair]

What about the new Apollo?

[@Swisha90s]

Why the sur ron over talaria?

[@rooterad9042]

Talaria also annonced an ultra bee like new STING

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@RooterAD For sure, I probably should have added the Talaria XXX to the list. We'll see on that one!

[@shockadellick]

@@ElectricCycleRider Could you also add the Time ET to the list? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2TCnqKPeNxsqqs

[@nxdboi]

The XXX seems to be an entry level bike (belt drive, lower power, simpler design, smaller standard battery). It'll probably take the top budget spot next year.

[@HighSideHustler811]

Wait… the stark varg is only $13,000?? I thought they would be like double that and around $23,000ish for the varg

[@samueldysart]

Any of these bikes handle a snow bike kit

[@electricmx]

Amazing!

[@Tom-dc7xz]

Do you know any dirt bikes for around $2000 that is about the size of an 85 gas bIke I have a razor e bike but that is way too small

[@md.moinulislam9467]

Very awesome e-dirt bikes.....!

[@PhilippineAllstar]

I choose sur ron storm bee & stark varg

[@benswift218]

Stark Varg said they were going to produce bikes by end of 2021. Then they pushed it back to September 2022 and I still don’t believe they have started making the bikes for the people who put deposits down in late 2020 I feel like they will push it back to late 2023 crazy if they do

[@sleiger8855]

i hope we get more informations about the yamaha one soon

[@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE]

I think my bikes can compete with the Stark Varg. Not sure about any of these others.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

Bold claim! Would love to try it. Do you make a conversion kit?

[@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE]

@@ElectricCycleRider I will soon make custom kits, hopefully spring 2023. Subscribe to my channel for further info. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXSoipJnf9VqoNU

[@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE]

I'm have a 100 volt system now with 8640 farad super capacitor bank. I have 6 100 volt pacs in each bike. Right now it is 40 bhp with 60 ft/lbs torque, water cooled.

[@migueldias3157]

The Sur -ron light bee don't have power and buy a bike and remove the main components to upgrade is just stupid. Definitely the Time ET or Nicot are much better option that the light bee in this moment. Maybe the ultra bee make more sense

[@marksfarmcraft1888]

Watching THIS channel and others has really got me thinking of an electric dirt bike. I'm 6' - 160lbs., I've been riding for many years, though would need to get back in true riding shape. The Sur-Ron X Light Bee is looking a little small. It costs a LOT to upgrade everything, so I'm counting that one out. The Ultra Bee looks promising, so that is certainly in contention. It is about 6 inches longer and a couple taller in the seat. All the other options for battery, controller, etc. seem to be what you would put into the Light Bee for only $2k more, so it seems a no brainer. I would like to have 18/21 wheels, so that would be an addition. Are there any under 10k bikes that would fit the bill?

[@AA-wd2or]

For me is super important range on offroad area not flat road

[@MX-CO]

I've wanted a E bike like a Levo or similar for years but Can't afford one, So I bought a used Honda metropolitan (gas) used for $1000 in perfect condition with 900 miles on it. Get 100 miles per gallon and Is a way better value, Not to mention I could Sell it and get 100% back at anytime

[@Falkontis]

Did You try Delfast ?

[@stevescott5858]

Do a vid on making the Storm bee street legal

[@ilijajesam]

Which one win in range test?

[@benswift218]

Zero fx also has double the power of the sur Ron storm

[@CarChrisMC]

Thx so much m8, 2023 I will buy one of these! 👌🏻🥳 Shame youtube is 99,99% about US related stuff... we need a European version only

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@CarChrisMC For sure man! Yeah, we can only really speak to US stuff because that is where we are based and so is much of our audience. There is a lot of similarities though, Europe has all of these bikes and more!

[@CarChrisMC]

@@ElectricCycleRider Looked into the Stark and really nothing to compare to next years! Pre ordered 80pk, why not?! 😆 Made in Spain and I live in Spain, so... was logic 😆🤙🏻 Can't wait!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@@CarChrisMC Hell yeah! Very possible that you'll be one of the first to receive yours due to proximity. It's an amazing bike and for sure, why not go 80hp!? You can always dial it back. And trust me, you will. I even dialed back the 60hp bike when I rode it. Bike is an absolute rocket ship.

[@CarChrisMC]

@@ElectricCycleRider Being able to dial the bike exactely to my likings was the main reason I chose the Tony Stark bike! Even more than the power! I am just worried about the range and how long everything will last... Living at 900m height here next to a 600 hectare forest, with heights up to 2500m and I drive always at the hardest 😁

[@paulcherry474]

Push the sur ron to the finish because your battery is dead . Ohh well. Stark Varg ???? my November 23rd 2022 delivery date where is the bike?? Just bought a KTM Xcw learned alot while waiting 2 years for the STARK Varg . is the bike real I dont know but you see I need to Freaking ride . $ur-ron stock is LAME way to many upgrades needed .

[@bobjohnson7207]

Aprilia made electric dirt bikes like 15 years ago that were awesome and sold for $1500. So what happened.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Bob Johnson They did indeed. I think they were before their time. I just don't think the market was ready for it. Almost a similar story with Alta. Not to say that was the reason that Alta went under, because it wasn't. But I think a lot of people were watching from the sidelines and now that they are gone, they are missed. You know what I mean?

[@NeverRest300]

Clearly a lot of work has gone in this video, nice work. Quite unfortunate there was no mention of which of those were clutch driven eDirtBikes. A bike without the ability of clutch modulation is absolutely USELESS in extreme enduro. Anyway, thanks for the video, would LOVE to see a future video on clutch-driven eDirtBikes

[@duyenmy1935]

Why ?

[@NeverRest300]

@@duyenmy1935 Why is it useless in Hard/Extreme enduro? Because the entire time you’re riding the bike by slipping the clutch between 20% to 90%. How does one do pivot-turns (front wheel up, bike stationary) and switch backs on rocky embankments without a clutch? I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong here, honestly. I’d buy an electric dirt bike right now if they had a wet-clutch setup.

[@jimji2774]

You are an actual reviewer not just ride video poster. So when can we expect some new reviews on the other bikes mentioned including Artic Leopard ect ?

[@badandylaoc]

really bummed the Storm Bee won't be street-legal.

[@danieledwards7178]

These companies NEED to make a model with fatter tires , some cargo carrying capability , much longer range and possibilities of two up ...

[@mrludicrous1670]

stark varg insane

[@alex.toader]

I am looking for very light bikes... I am very sorry you don't have this category or not even mention the weight in your list.

[@sodunkwales7361]

Almost subscribed until that advert

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Sodunk WALES These videos cost us a lot of money to produce and those advertisements allow us to continue to create videos.

[@ericmiller9132]

2024 bikes will be available before the Stark Varg gets delivered to anyone. Give the performance class to THE KTM e-freeride, again. This thing has dominated the class like Suzuki did with the RM 125, every World Championship from 1975-1984. With no other manufacture winning that title. HAIL TO THE NEW KING !

[@chadpescod-realtor3308]

Apollo RFN Ares.

[@agentredbone1667]

Problem is some of these companies have crap customer service especially if you were sent a non working bike. And parts? Good luck . Make sure you research that stuff especially parts availability

[@agentredbone1667]

Mainly bikes made in China . Let me clarify

[@agentredbone1667]

I'm digging the trials bike. I grew up around trials competitions because my uncle was a competitive rider. He was one of the first pro motocross racers back in the day. As he got older he got into trials and was one of the pioneers to bring trials to the u.s. He's retired and old now but it was always fun going to his competitions

[@ronnieelliott7292]

How come no mention of the Nicot e beast, they are available for purchase in ‘22

[@ElectricCycleRider]

The Nicot eBeast and eFox were mentioned at 1:16 Expect their availability to improve in the US in 2023.

[@ronnieelliott7292]

@@ElectricCycleRider I know you mentioned them for 2023 I was just wondering what your thoughts were on ‘22 model, I have seen a couple good reviews on KZbin and am currently working on on getting one shipped to me from a dealer here in the USA.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@@ronnieelliott7292 For sure. I've heard the same thing. Maybe a little bit on the heavy side but overall a good bike. I should be riding it in the coming few months and will make a specific video about it.

[@markcomisky7106]

What about Yamaha trials bike

[@Not_Evil_]

A one that doesnt cost as much as a truck would be nice

[@bottlejeep8407]

I just like my electric dirt bike to look and feel like a dirt bike not a fast mountain bike

[@cronejones5413]

No test?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Crone Jones The whole channel is based around testing these bikes. Check it out. Also added specific links in the description if you want to see the individual reviews and tests of the bikes mentioned in this video.

[@williamcrotts7054]

Problem with bikes out west here is they make no noise, which is good on one hand and bad on another. Horseback riders can't hear you and you pop around a corner and scare a 1200lb animal and you'll lose. No need to mention moose and grizzly bears.

[@endurokrakow]

flux primo ?

[@itman4463]

$TSLA dirt bike?

[@Krzysztof-iq4vp]

WhatsApp about for small riders… ? 😁

[@sizaevents6622]

Is ther any bike that is not over 3k dollars

[@FreeMissions]

Nah. No ways on the artic leopard vs Escape R. Yea...it's a sick bike, but without that wet clutch, it's just not on the same level of hard core obstacles imo

[@mitchrichardson744]

Agreed. I went through 3 different electric Dirtbikes before I got the Escape R. It's SO much easier on difficult trails its not even fair. Easier than my GasGas 300, Cake Kalk, 72v SurRon...

[@kymitchell]

I am shopping the Arctic leopard and e motion now I am 6”2 210 and my Segway lifted up and modded still feels small. What is y’all’s take??

[@mitchrichardson744]

@@kymitchell I modded my SurRon best I could for my 6'4" body. Its still just too small. My Cake bikes are a good fit for tall guy, but my current favorite bike is Electric Motion Escape R. I find the clutch to be super handy. And in general, I feel like i have 50% more skills on that bike. It climbs like crazy, is the best thing ever in the sand. Its great.

[@jeffreykennedy5956]

Are these just single track trail bikes. Keep up with an ALTA. WTF?

[@ryanbermundo9279]

Sarap Surron80PMH E-bikes okay po Pinoy Philippines Filipino USA😲😲😲

[@strombergstromberg6040]

"Stark varg" is swedish and mean "strong wolf"

[@Nospeed_nofun]

And where is our bikes ?)

[@benswift218]

If u order a stark varg today u will probably get the bike in 2025 lmao

[@ishwardabi6035]

2023

[@levibaker-tu9ri]

@Tesla Dirt Bike?

[@nick_stag]

i wanna hear about the ones you cant talk about so bad....

[@AN4MER]

alta

[@akitadakid6326]

They are just sooooo expensive

[@liusunny3186]

our AdmitJet has competitive price, friend

[@maikelnait1051]

I have nothing against the concept but for my needs they are unfortunately useless. If I spend at least a week in the forest, riding several hours a day these cannot replace my regular dirtbikes. Charging batteries with a generator, solarpanels or buying tens of batteries doesn’t sound sane.

[@gravity7745]

These aren’t real bikes but they should make the world go “Google”hate the fact that I’m not in the states to take the advantage of test driving the “Tesla s” hope all is going well with the attachments keep it up#gravity#

[@johnfryman4428]

30 min at full power before recharge - No thanks ! I'l keep my Four Fifty

[@mickking5913]

Has anyone built or will build a bike that can recharge the battery as it travels?

[@JoshStreetDesign]

Tesla has a full size dirt bike in the works with potential unconventional design....may be a little while though.

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Yeah, don't count on that any time soon, if not ever.

[@wtfftw24]

Hopefully not