Top 5 Biggest Disappointments in Pokemon ft.

[@FalseSwipeGaming]

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[@RandalfElVikingo]

Be sure to upload every week, bum.

[@bluebaron6811]

@@RandalfElVikingo Dude, he can't control that. He can try, but realize that content creators have a life just like you. Edit: I assume you have a life.

[@modestMismagius105]

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[@8733k3r]

Should have gotten freezai

[@SuperPlacido1]

Very good video. But I just have one piece of advice for you. And that is that I would like it that has more interaction between you and your guest. Otherwise it's like two videos combined into one.

[@jeffbyrd9250]

Dusknoir's main niche is that it allows Dusclops to hold Eviolite

[@theskullboy8700]

Bro. That wasn’t a roast you destroyed dusk’s self esteem

[@vladventura1928]

LMAO nah that's vile bro you murdered noir

[@CasualKraken]

So true. VGC thanks dusknoir

[@shuckle5013]

Bro you defiled my boy dusknoir 💀

[@TWLSpark]

I was half expecting to hear a joke about Eviolite on that section, not gonna lie.

[@beebobber546]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. For me, that’s expecting they finally add good physical electric moves to a new generation

[@IgnitedQuils]

At least Poltergeist became a thing. Phantom Force would’ve been good if it was a one turn move. Hoping there can be a stronger version of Wild Charge that isn’t only exclusive to Pikachu, Zekrom/BK or Zeraora.

[@DarkusFireBlaze3582]

@@IgnitedQuils Still, the fact that physical Ghost types have to jump through hoops to have a decent STAB move is sad

[@neduegeh5859]

I’m honestly praying that Scarlet and Violet finally fixes this. Edit: They still didn’t fix this( no Punching Glove and Physical Electric Tera Blast doesn’t count, in fact it’s just lazy damage control) but there’s always the DLC, or waiting until gen 10

[@IceSick90]

You don't think Volt Tackle is good?

[@beebobber546]

@@IgnitedQuils it’s just insane the best physical electric non exclusive move is only 90 BP and does recoil. At least make it a double edge clone with 120 BP

[@MachJacob343]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that Mega-Garchomp should have fallen to UU by usage, but couldn't because regular Garchomp was holding it in OU by technicality.

[@IgnitedQuils]

Not to mention how the mega form always starts in the base form and mega evolving is optional.

[@parasgupta8411]

@@IgnitedQuils thats the reason it couldnt drop

[@rocketdino3206]

Just add a rule where you have to mega evolve it first turn

[@sheeplol2161]

@@rocketdino3206 i dont think you can do that

[@lovelylow69]

@beyond your imagination full video of what? stop promoting random content, bots

[@beanburrito4405]

I remember Eelektross getting lots of hype in Gen 5 for having no weaknesses and having actually pretty good stats, but at the end of the day, it didn’t amount to much in OU probably because it was a physically-oriented electric type that wasn’t that bulky to begin with Edit: Pretty random, but how could I possibly forget the nearly-existent terror of Shadow Tag Chandelure. It was an unreleased hidden ability for a generation, then just ended up getting replaced by Infiltrator in Gen 6. Pretty disappointing

[@IgnitedQuils]

And since it had low speed as well, when its overall stats are okay to good.

[@Sentient_Blob]

Even with a good physical stab, it would be too slow and frail to do anything. You need resistances to be bulky, not neutral hits

[@Palmerageddon]

@beyond your imagination bruh wtf

[@galvsparks6295]

It wasn’t really because it was physical oriented tbh (it still has a solid special attack with a lot of special coverage) it was more so because it was not only slow but didn’t make up for that slowness with its average bulk and lack of both useful resistances and reliable recovery

[@sohan2362]

Not really. Pure electric even if you take away its one weakness and replace it with an immunity is still not a good defensive type simply because it lacks resistances and gets trucked by everything neutrally. And for something that slow, being able to take a few hits is important. Being "physically oriented" is by no means it at all since that's irrelevant since its special attack is still good, so what's even the argument for that.

[@AnitaNapkin96]

Frosmoth definitely belongs on that list. During the period of leaks coming out, when Frosmoth got leaked, people thought it was going to have Volcarona tier stats. And then we saw that base 65 speed. 😞

[@IgnitedQuils]

Not only that, but Centiskorch due to being another Bug/Fire type but is slow. Should have swapped special bulk and speed and have a stat spread of 100/115/65/90/65/90.

[@AnitaNapkin96]

Totally agree; it reinforces my theory that in design, pokemon is always gonna give bug Pokémon some tragic Achilles heel weakness.

[@missplayer30]

Isn't his typing already a red flag?

[@babel_UV]

@@missplayer30 with a high speed it's legitimately a menace, it has super good special bulk

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@babel_UV Shouldve given it Fur Coat or smth

[@TraumaCenter13]

Zamazenta Crowned for me is easily the most disappointing legendary when comparing to his counterpart Zacian and Zacian Crowned. Plus it doesn't get Body Press!

[@oscara1573]

I feel that gamefreak totally hates defensive oriented mons and totally loves full offensive mons

[@CarliVala]

It doesn't even get King's Shield, which would've suited it perfectly.

[@Wildcatt1999]

#JusticeForZamazenta

[@sunphoenix26]

They did my shieldboi so filthy. No King’s Shield? Howl? C’mon man…

[@juannaym8488]

If it had somethings like spikes, SR or ally switch, it could work genuinely well

[@brunolinares604]

Alolan Dugtrio being confirmed part Steel type but losing Arena Trap was a massive disappointment. It could've been a good method to trap and deal with fairies, but instead it's just diet Excadrill. It even loses 10 base speed from Kanto Dugtrio, WHO MADE THIS?!

[@ElectricSh33ps]

I think it would have been interesting if Alolan Dugtrio had gotten Magnet Pull.

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@ElectricSh33ps thus ends the reign of magnezone

[@Woodenfan]

@@ElectricSh33ps I was just going to say that that would've been a really interesting idea :)

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

Counterpoint: funny hairy sausage

[@stetsonherrick8090]

@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 If *Probopass* of all things could in fact trap Magneton with it's own Magnet Pull and take it out with Earth Power before Magneton would have been able to break through Probopass, what's to say Magnezone wouldn't face the same exact issue? And ^this^ was a relatively foolproof way to take Magneton out besides using Camerupt to hard wall it back in Gen 4. And even with Eviolite in Gen 5, Magneton would still either lose the match with Probopass or just barely survive to then get revenge killed. Meaning either way, Probopass effectively got Magneton out of the way. Outside of switching it out and giving Wish or Healing Wish support, anyway. Gen 6 and 7 might need some checking into, though.

[@WindWerehog]

Zoroark suffers the same problem Spy from TF2 has in Class Wars, they are both announced to the enemy team when their whole thing is not being expected

[@yeahmike3847]

Excuse me, have I been missing out in a mode? What is CLASS WARS?

[@WindWerehog]

@@yeahmike3847 i got little info myself, but from what i know, full team of the exact same character (yep, NG busted af), Attack, do X thing that has to do with infiltrating enemy base's depths, Defense, make Attack's objective harder if not downright impossible, Even, King of the hill and other objectives like so. Every member of the team get revealed before starting as i said, so Spy is crippled beyond repair

[@WindWerehog]

you're better off watching a vid than listening to this unexperienced fool

[@sonofhades57]

Here's hoping that Rock gets some movepool expansions eventually. For a typing with that kind of offensive coverage, it's conspicuously devoid of both special attacks and attacks that can consistently hit the enemy.

[@justinnzamora5366]

My suggestions include buffing Ancient Power and increasing the distribution of Power Gem.

[@cuit-real]

@@justinnzamora5366 make a better physical move than Stone edge

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@cuit-real Or just raise the accuracy.

[@goldtyphlosion7537]

@@justinnzamora5366 no please don’t buff ancient power I don’t wanna see a potential omni boosting move have actually good power

[@Schlaym]

Yeah, just give us some 80/100 move please!

[@pokeaimMD]

Thanks for having me boss and ty for joining my vid!

[@doig_brainrot]

First reply ain't no way

[@Elitus]

Oh hi

[@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838]

Ironic aim is on a disappointing mons video instead of ctc.

[@Kaiyou1691]

Now I wanna see top 5 or 5 surprises/upsets in competitive. 5 Pokémon that didn’t look impressive, but later came out of nowhere and shaped the meta game. Rillaboom comes into mind. It looked like a decent grass starter for the lower tiers, but then they gave it grassy surge and introduced grassy glide. Now it’s standard in a lot of teams in OU

[@jimmyjuice697]

Arctozolt is also a really good example. From PU to UUBL in the same gen because of how strong its moves are.

[@silvergalaxia8538]

That's not really a surprise though, as it only became good because of buffs it received later in the generation.

[@danielmaynard239]

Something unrelated to this video is that my least favorite Pokemon move is Stone Edge because I've missed SO MANY TIMES WITH IT. For comparison, I've hit more often with moves that are just as/even less accurate than Stone Edge I've hit more often with Dragon Rush, Iron Tail, Thunder and Hurricane outside of rain, Blizzard outside of hail, Cross Chop, Head Smash, Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, and even Sheer Cold The only times I feel comfortable using Stone Edge is if it's on a No Guard Pokemon, like Machamp, Golurk and Midnight Lycanroc On a similar note, when it comes to Fighting types that can learn both Close Combat and Drain Punch, I tend to go with Drain Punch since it has more PP and heals the user. And if the Pokemon can't learn Drain Punch (example: Blaziken), I turn to Brick Break

[@gtpliquid1290]

Pachirisu. No Pokemon comes close for on paper patheticness to actual tournament success.

[@mhx5071]

Rillaboom became OU because it literally got a crazy ability and move A better example is Kyurem, who went from UU to Ubers because people used it and realized it dominated OU

[@CyberchaoX]

Wow, I never realized that Mimikyu was considered disappointing even in Generation 7. I figured that the nerf to Disguise in Gen 8 was because it was too powerful as is, similar to how Gale Wings got nerfed after one generation (from what I've heard, Talonflame eventually fell out of favor in Gen 6 OU, too, but not until long after Gen 6 was no longer the current generation).

[@TheAbstractparadox]

I think both of those mons were better in doubles than singles, which might have influenced the nerfs

[@robertoalexandermendezmore408]

Also, casual players with poor understand of the meta viability just overestimate the viability of noob filters

[@queenlilac7608]

Both of those nerfs are doubles aimed. Gale wings tflame was an insane tailwind setter and sash or mental herb mimikyu an incredible trick roon setter. The gale wings nerf made fake out cripple tflame and the disguise nerf made sash a useless item on mimikyu

[@robertoalexandermendezmore408]

@@queenlilac7608 yeah and make fake out kinda op in the process, so on that they make dynamax inmune to flinch

[@baseballs1742]

Mimikyu nerf was based on 3v3 singles where it was really strong

[@Kite403]

Zoroark got done so dirty when team preview was added. What a novel concept; a shapeshifting threat that would make your opponent second guess their own knowledge about type match ups. They did my kitsune boy dirty! Great video all the same! I love these branch outs into other competitive pokemon topics!

[@gtpliquid1290]

It doesn't make sense to introduce Illusion and team preview in the same gen. Team preview could have been delayed until Gen VI and introduced as a "balancing tool" or something. With team preview in Gen V there is absolutely no point in Illusion even being an ability.

[@themonoloco8245]

@Sude Gök but we all know game freak dont really care bout balance lets be real

[@TheRedarm75]

well least we got the far more gorgeous hisui zoroark, my beloved wispy beast

[@BigKlingy]

Team Preview was always standard in many official competitive formats long before Gen 5. I feel like it's addition mainly affected fan-made formats like Smogon, which GF doesn't take into account when making new games.

[@thedon6079]

@@gtpliquid1290 What kind of npc logic is this? "Hey lets wait a generation to balance something that will probably be broken"

[@DerpySuX]

Note about Mimikyu, in the official singles format (Battle Stadium/Battle Spot Singles) Mimikyu has consistently been one of the best cleanup artists in the metagame. The advent of Dynamax in SwSh allowed Mimikyu to also serve as a powerful wallbreaker thanks to max phantasm’s defense dropping effect.

[@ES-dp6tw]

Years pass, yet still I find myself lamenting the lack of a Mega Yanmega. It's painfully obvious and yet absurdly fitting.

[@Soul073]

Or Mega Dragonite for the Dragoniteite

[@speculyn5060]

Or Meganium for Meganite

[@shawnli4746]

@@speculyn5060 Meganium Z

[@Drakorre]

It's Japanese name would be mega mega yanma and i love it

[@yeahmike3847]

@@speculyn5060 if only....

[@miserepoignee9594]

Honorable mention to Chandelure in Gen 5 that ended up being perfectly balanced in contrast to the pre-debut hype as a result of never having access to its hidden ability Shadow Tag.

[@breloommaster12]

And thank god for that lol

[@MrZahsome]

That wouldn't be disappointment though lol more like relief than disappointment.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

Honestly, my disappointment is how Zama didnt get Body Press, it was LITERALLY made for it (based of Def and a Fighting move) and it couldve had a really unique niche (I dont care if its supposedly worse than Klose Kombat, it still wouldve been just as good without Def stat drops), too bad its seen as a worse Zacian (even if hes nowhere near as bad as ppl make it out to be)

[@eren-tv2et]

Unfortunately it still can’t really be a physical wall cuz it doesn’t have the tools to (no reliable recovery mainly, has to run rusty shield for the steel typing so no lefties either), and on physical attacking sets it needs to run physical investment and speed, otherwise its coverage moves will all be weak. Which then means CC is stronger than body press

[@SoulBro12]

@@eren-tv2et Hey at least it checks Yveltal in ubers who has... let's see.. *84% usage in Ubers 2022* So it's doing pretty good because 84% of the time, there would be a Yveltal to wall.

[@keksauce]

Of course Zama is seen as a worse Zacian, like how can you even equal that broken menace? By becoming Primal Groudon, I suppose. It doesn't do much outside of checking Yveltal, and it even was seriously tested in OU. Not THAT bad, but most definitely the worse of the two

[@docmercy3660]

I love my heavy plate doggo as much as the next guy, but it's a fact that Zama is the worse dog. Zacian is about as broken mega rayquaza, the only mons that can *maybe* hold a candle to this mess are the primals and caly. I'm quite glad Zama is worse, really don't want that kind of powercreep. Broken mons for garbage players.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@docmercy3660 Im sorry but I disagree. Mega Ray will always be more busted than Zacian facts. Ray can still hold items while Zacian cant so it can slap a Roseli Berry to live the Play Miss then strike back hard (doesnt even need to invest in Def as it has amazing HP) and Rays movepool is ABSOLUTELY insane and it can be mixed and Sp since it has 180 in both atk stats unlike Zacian whose movepool is on paper pretty crazy but in execution, pretty barren as it gets counter by fire-bug/ghost/flying (but specifically Bug since it resists STAB + Fighting move and Zacian doesnt get any moves for those typings unlike Crunch for ghost and Wild charge (which is considered a garbage move) for Flying. Heck, both the Primals are WAY more busted than Zacian will ever be

[@saltysalmoling8055]

Can we all agree that regigas is incredibly disappointing? Even more than slaking or arcehops because his design is just so amazing. I feel like his ability would be cool, if it like... doubled his already high base stats after 5 turns, but the way it is now is just annoying.

[@justinnzamora5366]

It's understandable to give Slaking and Archeops a hindering ability but why Regigigas? It's a freaking legendary! It deserves to utilize those amazing stats!

[@oscara1573]

Or while you are under the 5 turns your def/spdef and hp is doubled so you have a good wall at least

[@ThePenisMan]

Or any form of recovery or a better movepool or… just… anything. pain incarnate I was so pissed when I realized regigigas was in hisui, an ability-les generation, yet slow start was still on it for some reason. They are actively TRYING to KEEP it unusable garbage

[@winter9242]

This even came from the same company that created mega ray and zacian crowned

[@LG-ii7gl]

@@justinnzamora5366 why even give archeops a debilitating ability in the first place? it's weak to rocks, frail, and doesn't have incredible coverage. sure it hits really hard and is decently fast but it's not hard at all to revenge kill it with a scarf mon

[@saltysalmoling8055]

Okay that bit with zoaroak pretending to be arceus was absolutely fantastic

[@outrageouslamp4539]

Silvally, lore-wise it is supposed to be really strong but base 95 each stat is just too meh. At least in gen 8 they buffed multi-attack

[@captain_buggles]

It wouldn't even really need better stats if they just did two other things, imo: 1: Recover and a properly huge movepool in general, it's thematically deserved. 2: Memories axed as held items and turned into just totally separate out of battle items that you use. Taking up its held item slot unless its Normal is just such an unnecessarily huge drawback.

[@sliced8669]

The most disappointing things for me (that I can think of rn) -Pokémon losing speed upon evolution -Zoroark not having a second ability -Duraludon not getting flamethrower

[@IgnitedQuils]

I think of Vikavolt because of this; Grubbin has base 45 speed, Charjabug has base 36 speed an Vikavolt has base 43 speed, making it slower than a grub. Duradulon I agree too since it lacks special Fire, Ground or Fighting moves to hit Steel types super effectively unless one runs Body Press on it. I felt let down when seeing its movepool.

[@robinsimon4176]

@@IgnitedQuils b press is fine on it. since you can still hit them after you droped the draco meteor

[@grizzlyscalp9506]

@@IgnitedQuils Let's not forget incineroar being base 50 while torracat is base 90. That's just ridiculous.

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@grizzlyscalp9506 Base 60 but I do agree. I can say it’s still decently bulky in terms of a pivot and defensive utility with Parting Shot and Intimidate.

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

There's a design reason why Duraludon has no Fire moves. Its body is made of alloy metal. Alloy cannot handle fire at all so for the mon it would be killing itself from the inside lol

[@rizachan8892]

I think Mega Garchomp would actually be INSANE if Scale Shot existed during that period

[@Gaiou0331]

I still don't know why it doesn't have Dragon Dance. And no, you can't say it would be overpowered with Mega-Salamence and Dragapult being a thing. I still would prefer seig him in Ubers instead of being disrespected this way.

[@butteredsalmonella]

NatDex OU:

[@rizachan8892]

That's too late Powercreep already took place in gen 8 and even gen 7 But if it was a thing in gen 6, I can guarantee it'll be busted

[@rizachan8892]

@@Gaiou0331 it's supposed to get dragon dance yeah...

[@kylepua3469]

TBH Mega Garchomp would be great if it retained its speed stat, the massive attack stat in sand means it 2HKOes even something like Clefable with Earthquake and thanks to Natdex OU gifting Megachomp Scale Shot it's pretty scary as a late game cleaner when all your Pokémon have been sufficiently weakened but still being outclassed by a regular Garchomp that can use Z-Moves and outspeeds common scarfers such as Tapu Lele and Hydreigon. Sand Force is nice but I hope it also works out of Sand, like 20% Boost out of Sand, 33% Boost in Sand would make Megachomp a better wallbreaker as that was it's role in the first place but it's ability restricts it somewhat to sand teams and given how much of a wallbreaker Excadrill and Tyranitar was in sand, Megachomp was more of an afterthought.

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

And then Gen 7's changes to the Mega Evolution speed mechanics, plus Pelliper getting Drizzle pretty much killed any viability Mega Garchomp had in OU

[@goGothitaLOL]

F

[@parkouremaster]

Electivire is still one of my most favorite pokemons of all times, but yes he was a dissapointment, if only had volt tackle and being a electric/fighting, would have been a complete beast

[@tktyga77]

Speaking of Electivire, wouldn't it have been neat if it got a way to boost its Special Attack & its counterpart Magmortar was to get a Fire equivalent of Motor Drive (unsure what it'd be called besides something like Lava Spark or Magma Engine) plus a way to boost its Attack?

[@mekudu-man3804]

@@tktyga77 they should've both gotten their own variants of the signature moves of Reshiram and Zekrom. I never got why GF dropped the idea of complimentary moves after gen 5 - it was such a cool idea and the synergy would've been insane if implemented and used correctly.

[@Igor-gw4io]

What Electivire need is speed

[@Lankpants]

@@Igor-gw4io Not really. If it actually did become threatening when motor drive triggered then it could at least be usable, especially before team preview. The far bigger issue is that it just lacks hard hitting moves. Earthquake is great and cross chop is OK, but they're not a moveset. It really needs like 3 more good moves on top of this to become a legit lower tier threat. If it got a good physical electric STAB (along with the other 5 or so that are waiting for this), triple axel or icicle crash and maybe something like stone edge as good coverage it would be good enough to see some usage in lower tiers.

[@Rebelfr]

It really got a good boost in Radical Red. Giving it Iron Fist , Fighting Typer and learning fighting moves with Plasma Fists

[@isthataninfernapereference4821]

You are killing it with these differing videos, I love these videos on random meta discussions!

[@ryanwirtjes]

same my man

[@psidesign8664]

This is sad, because 1. Zoroark is one of my favorite Pokémon 2. It has such a good ability design wise 3. It looks sick as hell

[@memelydcatting3049]

It's shiny is fire

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I remember Serperior being hyped up until we found out it was pure Grass, and also that its dream world ability wasn't legal for most of the generation.

[@V-Jes]

Most of the generation?

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

@@V-Jes Didn't Contrary Serperior only come out in B2W2? Same with the other gen 5 starters?

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting lol no. They got released in ORAS! Gen 6.

[@toast2492]

good thing it got its hidden ability in gen 6 bringing it into ou

[@V-Jes]

@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting no, it got it in an event in ORAS.

[@Jerdor46]

You guys remember when Vikavolt was shown, and it's Pokedex entry was hyping it up to be this speed demon?

[@jwanie366]

Surprised to see Mimikyu on this list. I never really thought of it as a disappointment

[@GodzillaFreak]

It wasn’t. Like 30+ use rate on battle spot until the nerf

[@ammendum9044]

One way Team Preview could be implemented without relegating Zoroark to the trash bin would be to show the Pokémons of the opposing team in alphabetical order, regardless of their actual order. This way, instead of going "Oh, okay, Gengar is in the 6th slot, I can expect that the first time it shows up it'll really be Zoroark", the opponent would actually have to guess which Pokémon will be imitated. That'd be a reasonable amount of mind game.

[@ammendum9044]

Alternatively, it coud have a hidden ability similar to Illusion, but to make it take the appearance of the first Pokémon on the preview. If at least two Pokémons in the team could potentially be good baits, the opponent would have to guess between the two until they had a better clue.

[@abcdefg98765]

That's how it works though? You can pick the order of your mons manually when starting a battle.

[@louc.6735]

The thing is, you can do that with Zoroark right now. I play vgc and you can pick the order of your team. As a vgc player, zoroark's tricks are fine in bo1 but it's not nearly consistent enough. Iirc from gen 5 singles, it's also always worked that you can order your pokemon with Zoroark on the team.

[@toast2492]

for the people talking abt how it already is a thing they r talking abt smogon not vgc im pretty sure

[@louc.6735]

@@toast2492 yeah it's already a thing on Showdown, I swear I remember choosing pokemon order w/ Zoroark for my N team The problem is more that illusion isn't always useful and the movepool leaves a lot to be desired.

[@Squaredasher]

After watching zoroark drop to PU recently it's really insane to think about how many people thought it would be banned from OU without team preview. Pokemon really is a game of prediction at it's core.

[@blueflamezbmf3543]

Such a great video! We absolutely love these types of videos and yes, I wish Zoroark had more viability. Its just so unfortunate that team preview had to be added 😔

[@HealingVoice39]

Imagine how awesome Zoroark would’ve been

[@Sweeper586]

In Gen 8 I actually managed to get to master with zoroark cheese so it is not completely useless with team preview being a thing.

[@V-Jes]

@@HealingVoice39 would've been? It's still awesome for players who can take advantage of it's disguise to either set up Nasty plot or even just by using Counter with Focus sash to make the opponent loose a powerful physical attacker.

[@Cherry_Magenta]

@@V-Jes even with all that pre-release hype, if I were Zororak I'd absolutely be content with being a UU staple. It definitely got the best deal out of any of the pokemon on this list.

[@MidniteMNS]

I hope Hisuian Zoroark will have some merit, especially with the much better typing. Might just be wishful thinking, though...

[@TheCangu97]

zoroark may be disappointing but a dude once sent a machamp named "slim shady", proceeded to eat up my banded metagross' zen headbutt to kill with dark pulse and then reveal itself as a zoroark named "The real Slim Shady" and i will necer recover from that

[@kookio4284]

It still angers me to this day that we don’t have a good commonly learned ghost type physical move and electric move. I have no clue what Game Freak is thinking with its type balancing

[@virtualcolt]

Zoroark hurts for me, because being a counterpart of Lucario it should have been just as good and also get its own mega instead of Audino

[@virtualcolt]

@Viewer It didnt even make it viable so is as if it didn't got one. And there was absolutely no excuse to just be Audino when the entire Unova Pokedex is right there and they could have chose more.

[@captain_buggles]

I think M. Audino's supposed to be for Doubles, but even then it's weird because I'm pretty sure there are better things to use (sometimes without even taking up your mega slot)

[@HazeEmry]

@Viewer Flygon

[@GamingG4276]

Despite Mimikyu being on this list, I would still always use it on a Ghost or Fairy type team.

[@villeneuvesamuel7088]

yeah on monotype it's actually quite decent tbh

[@Vianyte]

I recall that there was hype around Rhypherior in gen 4 because of its Solid Rock ability. It still couldn't perform as a wall very effectively though, since it still got hit hard by water and grass moves and had crap special defense.

[@lorddarkrai5753]

It used to be a physical Infernape check , till Infernape got Grass Knot and game over.Some Sinnohlutions were desperately needed and improved a lot of Pokemon like Gliscor , Yanmega , Gallade , Magnezone , Mamoswine , Frosslass , Tangrowth , Porygon-Z etc, but stuff like Electivire , Magmortar and Rhyperior are only good designwise i guess.In competitve they're pretty much a slot waste.A better speed would have transformed Electivire too a Pokemon too great but at least thank god it packs Motor Drive.

[@Smart1529]

@@lorddarkrai5753 Rhyperior isn't all that in Singles but in Doubles, that's a different story. One of the best Trick Room sweepers in the game. Some of the strongest Earthquakes and Rock Slides for a non legendary. Lightingrod is also really good in Doubles protecting Electric weak allies like Gyarados, Crobat, etc. Because spread moves do less damage to 2 Pokemon at the same time. Solid Rock can help out at some point. Electivire and Magmortar on the other hand, cannot say the same for them. And I love all of them really.

[@yeahmike3847]

@@Smart1529 sadly stakataka is better 🥱

[@toadallynoodle5414]

@@Smart1529 Also was one of the best beneficiaries of Dynamax Weakness Policy strats along with Tyranitar and Coalossal, Gen 8 was a good time to be a Rock-Type in VGC.

[@axlr8deathpls294]

Poor dusknoir. They were such a good character in mystery dungeon they deserve better

[@musicsheep9816]

What's funny about Electivire is that it would have been much better if it had Iron Fist as an ability. Just throw in Agility as a way to increase speed and it would probably have a niche to work off of.

[@chrisburns9898]

I just wish they’d eventually buff the physical electric types. Like either make a new actually good physical electric move that isn’t wild charge, increase distribution on volt tackle, bolt strike, or even plasma fists. Literally all the tools are already there, gamefreak just doesn’t care enough to do it.

[@gopatriots1991]

Another pro for mega garchomp, they made the shiny actually worth wanting/looking at.

[@NotAnElk]

Coalossal basically did the same bait and switch to me as gen 4 Electivire. I saw that Steam Engine boosted your speed by 6 stages, even tested it in-game myself to be sure, and just sort of assumed, since Coalossal was a big rock monster, that it probably had a high attack stat and would be extremely dangerous if it were both fast, strong, and bulky. I thought you'd be able to use it to dissuade fire attacks from coming out against Ferrothorns. Turns out Coalossal has 80 base atk and spatk, meaning the only real way to use Steam Engine is with a deliberately weak Surf in doubles to activate both Steam Engine and Weakness Policy.

[@BlastFurnace10]

Adamant Tauros could work, right?

[@michaelzaccardo1010]

I'd like to see Zoroark be displayed as another random Pokemon during team preview. It could have "rules" attached to it as to not give it away, like not being shown as a NFE pokemon unless you have another NFE on your team, or not being shown as a Mythical or otherwise banned pokemon if the ruleset you're own doesn't allow them.

[@GravityIsFalling]

well then in restricted formats it would be shown as a legendary, meaning it becomes unusable in OU

[@michaelzaccardo1010]

@@GravityIsFalling Why would it be shown as a legendary if they're not allowed?

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@michaelzaccardo1010 Oml Ok when you say “rule sets” what are you talking about? The UNOFFICIAL smogon rules Or the OFFICIAL VGC rules?

[@michaelzaccardo1010]

@@GravityIsFalling So in 7th Gen wifi battles you could select/download different rulesets that would allow or disallow certain pokemon. Idk if that's still how wifi battles work, but if it is then it would appear as any pokemon that is allowed in those rules.

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@michaelzaccardo1010 Ah I see Also if this change were to happen It’ll be for gen 9

[@zuludude2]

My only experience with zoroark was in a casual battle some friends did in college, where one person who didn't really play pokemon was allowed to bring whatever they wanted, and the other friend who was much more experienced could only use furrets. He brought 5 furrets and a zoroark, and those 10 seconds of "what do you mean not very effective?" were glorious.

[@zygardegodslayer4750]

But a furret's sole weakness is fighting, which zoroark is also weak to?

[@sleazymeezy]

@zygardegodslayer I was thinking the same thing. Hisuian zoroark maybe?

[@techknight3753]

Luckly, Zoroark has gained a powerful niche as a revenge killer in gen 8 ou when paired with gengar. Gengar is argueably the perfect disguise for Zoroark, baiting in fast psychics while discouraging fighting type predictions. With it's incredible coverage of dark pulse, flamethrower, sludgebomb, and focus blast/extrasensory, there is very little in ou it can't hit super effectivly. Not to mention that it has two immunities, one of which most people forget; the obvious psychic, and prankster status moves. One turn is all it takes for Zoroark to blast a fatal hole in an enemy team, and it can easily manage to get more then one turn with smart play. Ferrothorn? Dead (Flamethrower ×1) Clefable? Dead (Sludgebomb ×2) Toxapex? Dead (Extrasensory ×2) Urshifu? Dangerous, but dead (Extrasensory ×1) Tapus? Dead (Sludgebomb ×1-2) Celesteela/Corviknight? Dead (Flamethrower) And thats only with it's coverage moves

[@not13cephalopodsinatrenchcoat]

In addition to that Gengar and Zoroark have very similar movepools to make the disguise work better, as well as similar speed tiers.

[@techknight3753]

@@not13cephalopodsinatrenchcoat I see you understand ;)

[@ravisinghbhojak9225]

I once used maxed sp atk and speed zoroark with crobat/gengar and setup nasty plot first turn. It was an ohko machine

[@jack7250]

Also, in the case of heated battles, a single wrong choice in terms of move can mean the difference between winning and losing. And trying to figure out whether you should launch that fighting move against that "Gengar" is a risk most people don't take

[@frankinglese7100]

That #1 fake-out was really clever! I loved that a lot!😂😂😂

[@xnl5049]

I think Regigigas was the most disappointing pokemon. It design wise was so cool and I was expecting it to be incredibly powerful and getting banned to ubers. Then it's typing and ability were revealed

[@HowlingOneify]

? Typing has nothing to do with Regigigas being bad. It is entirely the ability.

[@toast2492]

typing had nothing to do with regigas being bad its just the ability

[@Drakorre]

Typing not really, Just his ability. Run away would easily make It OU by today standards

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Regigigas' Normal-typing has never been that much of a problem (just ask the pink blobs, EKiller Arceus, Mega Lopunny, Snorlax, etc.). It's literally JUST Slow Start that stops Gigas from being good.

[@theskullboy8700]

Slow start could last one turn and it’s be average in uu

[@birds1omega6]

The most baffling thing about electivire is giving wild charge, the move that was supposed to fix the lack of reliable physical electric STAB, recoil when wild charge has only 90 base power.

[@kyklous3657]

Well because it's the electric equivalent to Take Down. Do feel like electric should at least have an equivalent for icicle crash though like how fire has blaze kick.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@kyklous3657 Why Take Down and not Double Edge?

[@kyklous3657]

@@robertlupa8273 Because same power as Take Down and same % recoil. Volt Tackle would be the electric equivalent of Double-Edge

[@robertlupa8273]

@@kyklous3657 oh sorry, i forgot to write half of the comment apparently. I meant to say "why did they base it off Take Downa and not the superior Double Edge?" I assume the answer is "Because Normal moves can be higher power because they're not SE against anything."

[@kyklous3657]

@@robertlupa8273 Oh, that wouldn't matter. Flare Blitz already exists and that's super effective against steel one of the best defensive types in the game. Only reason I can think of is because they REALLY want to keep Volt Tackle Pikachu exclusive.

[@ZeroFate643]

Team Preview was the nail in the coffin for Zoroark, but the bigger issue was that it was frail and didn't have the raw offensive stats to sweep. It had the Electivire issue where it missed a bunch of OHKOs, but with even worse bulk so it could never switch in or beat most things 1v1.

[@segafreak2000]

Plus, the ever present Stealth Rock kind of ruined it whenever you tried to use it as anything other than the lead. Sure, rocks themselves did not break Illusion, but a mon receiving more or less Stealth Rock damage than it should was always a super obvious giveaway to what the opponent was currently up to.

[@TheHero136]

I think one of the saddest disappointments was Aggron. Aggron looks really cool and intimidating, but then we see that it has the rock and steel typing. They did fix this somewhat with its Mega Evolution, but it is still held back from it's full potential. Continuing my vote here: *How Tyrannical was Tyranitar Actually* attempt number 7. Unrelated: If I get a weird comment this time like "You won a prize" I have been ignoring as that as spam and reporting.

[@galvsparks6295]

I mean, on the bright side aggron turned that awful typing in kind of an advantage with those dreaded recoil less head smashes which it utilized greatly in any lower tier it’s landed in.

[@HowlingOneify]

Not really? Aggron has had a really good lower tier career and has done very well for itself.

[@TheHero136]

@@HowlingOneify It started off decent at the beginning, but it’s regular form just went down and down as it was just easy to exploit. I do admit that rock head head smash is a very cool thing for anything to get. Look to Probopass as another example. That is pretty bad. Though an even worse victim is Bastiodon. Outright awful.

[@Rangrok1k]

Funnily enough, Aggron was one of the main reasons I fell in love with fighting types. I thought it looked super cool when I was a kid playing Ruby, so I got one for my team. But then there was a streak of like 4-5 fights in a row where he got OHKO'd by a random pokemon using Brick Break. So 10 year old me looked up what pokemon could learn Brick Break, found Heracross, and have loved Fighting Types ever since. I've learned to appreciate Aggron a lot more now that I understand the game more, but I'll never forget how my disappointment in him lead me to finding some of my favorite pokemon.

[@dq7860]

The Gen 4 Fossil pokemon are pretty disappointing.

[@cristianordonez7976]

I really like what Inclement Emerald did with Electivire, making it dual Electric/Fighting type, giving it Plasma Fists and Close Combat, and also Iron Fist

[@LG-ii7gl]

Renegade platinum did something similar, and buffed a bunch of other Pokémon too like Lopunny to be more like it's mega

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@LG-ii7gl Radical Red also does the same

[@eliyaskiya]

Same with what they did to Vikavolt. They made it decently fast ( 109 ) Speed and made it have a usable Attack stat ( 95 ).

[@jimmy3people0]

Blaze Black 2 did this and also made Cofagrigus ghost/steel, which is fucking insane with the gen 5 type chart

[@Entelarmer]

Phew, i was worried what happened to you guys. And i don't mean like "where is the video". No announcement or anything (or at least i did not see one) for such a long time made me think something actually happened. Glad to see you back.

[@pksprite6401]

That intro to Zoroark’s section was so well done.

[@samuell8721]

Mega Garchomp and physical electric type without great STAB moves are definitely on the list by looking at the title. If they just went with the same speed stat it can gave Mega Garchomp some good days in OU, and good physical stab electric type moves can definitely help Eletivire to get out of Untiered

[@IgnitedQuils]

It was sad seeing Mega Garchomp in OU since megas can never be lower than their base forms in tiers since mega evolution is optional

[@JamienautMark2]

Electabuzz has always been a top 5 design so it’s evolution not being great kind of makes me happy. Gives me a reason to run eviolite in later games.

[@sliced8669]

Vikavolt is by FAR the most dissapointing Pokémon for me Why OH WHY did they give it base 45 speed

[@shadowbonbon3]

@@jaretco6423 that’s not even slow that’s reverse sonic speed it is cinos deeps

[@goGothitaLOL]

*43, not even 45

[@eliyaskiya]

Vikavolt has 43, Grubbin has 45. Only reason they have of giving Vikavolt 43 speed is making it have an ability that automatically sets up Trick Room which doesn't make sense for Vikavolt and also they could've just buffed it's speed

[@gengarzilla1685]

I think expecting the region's basic bug to be good was a bit of a stretch, anyway.

[@Iinneus]

I'm surprised you didn't mention what happened to Dusknoir AFTER Gen IV! I mean, the boy already struggled in its debut generation, and then they added... ˢᵐᵃᶫᶫ ᵖᵘʳᵖᶫᵉ ʳᵒᶜᵏ

[@yep9462]

Yeah but Gen 5 Dusclops with Eviolite was just as bad in UU as Dusknoir was in RU. And then Knock Off got buffed

[@Chicken4051]

I love how Quagsire just shows up in this video tanking a sand force Mega Chomp like an absolute tank.

[@grunkleg.2934]

- Hisuian Braviary is slower and slightly less bulky than regular Braviary, and has Defiant instead of Competitive for some reason - Galarian Articuno is still complete garbage in competitive play, they didn't give it anything to hit Steel - Vikavolt, Centiskorch, and Frosmoth all are frail and slow - Pretty much everything in the Alola Dex for being slower than they had any right of being (Decidueye, Toucannon, Vikavolt, Crabominable, Lurantis, Tsareena, etc.) - Cursola being completely outdone by its prevo holding Eviolite - Galarian Stunfisk not having a real movepool and a garbage Ability

[@goGothitaLOL]

Lycanroc-Midday, Lycanroc-Dusk, Ribombee, Salazzle, and legendaries/UBs like Tapu Koko, Pheromosa, Kartana, Ultra Necrozma, Marshadow and Zeraora there's all your fast Alola mons Tapu Lele's sped is more average at 95, same with Mimikyu's at 96

[@Tangrowth_Fan]

Cursola isn't used? What a waste of 145 special attack

[@gengarzilla1685]

Even a 255 base Special Attack would see limited use when you've got a Dark weakness, low Defense, and low Speed.

[@warriormouse3005]

Zoroark can actually be really good in Showdown's Random Battles! There's no team preview there, and people's teams can literally be anything, not even constrained by the needs of the meta. In that scenario, a well used Zoroark can be devastating, and actually really fun to play against. I suspect that has something to do with it being once in a while though, as opposed to every single battle. If that were the case I think it would get very old very fast. Still, I think it's cool that there's one tier where surprise Zoroark can still live up to it's original potential.

[@cameronquinn377]

I love that the two of you are making videos together. Your styles blend very well, keep working together, keep growing. Much love.

[@IgnitedQuils]

Zoroark was introduced in the wrong generation IMO due to Illusion debuting the SAME generation as Team Preview. And Electivire alongside Dusknoir are examples of Gen 4’s philosophy of trying to make an evolved form as good as possible since it was meant to be the ultimate generation. Some worked, like Weavile. Yet Dusknoir still suffered from low HP, power and speed. And a lack of strong physical ghost STAB till Gen 8. Electivire lacked a strong physical Electric STAB, boosting move and had low physical bulk. Mimikyu should’ve been stronger and had higher HP, and Mega Garchomp being slower and not used as much due to that, and that Garchomp can hit harder with Choice Band made it obsolete.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Team Preview is probably BECAUSE of the Illusion ability.

[@galvsparks6295]

@@jaretco6423 porygon-Z worked decently well as for aipom, nosepass and lickitung, they’re so laughably awful that they needed evos even if their evos aren’t good, they others though I agree

[@Tom-dn6zy]

@@jaretco6423 there were some really good evolutions that were good in ou like magnezone, weavile, gliscor, mamoswine, togekiss.

[@goGothitaLOL]

Dusknoir also lacks reliable recovery

[@topher8670]

Electivire is one of my fav pokemon I used to use it all the time in pearl and battle revolution. Funny how you find out some of your favorite mons can be unexpectedly great or bad in competitive.

[@talonitex6441]

Finally his back, also I agree 💯 % mega garchomp was the biggest disappointment I’ve ever seen in Pokemon I remember when everyone was hyping it

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Electivire sounds like the Type of Pokémon that would Kill for a Mega Evolution. And Zoroark and Mega-Garchomp look like they were Pokémon designed for the metagame of the PREVIOUS Generation instead of the one where they were introduced

[@herpderp1013]

Was expecting to see zamazenta on this list just because of how much of a missed opportunity it was

[@shankapotomus100]

Just gonna add to the echo chamber here and say that I absolutely love the direction FSG has taken in the past few months. I've been a fan of the "How good was" format since 2019, and it's been a joy to see ya'll continuously improve upon the same concept with each video. The recent string of videos outside of the "How good was format", however, have been such a refreshing and exciting addition. I can't wait to see what ya'll put out next!!!

[@junglekun22]

Zoroark might’ve been a lot if team preview just showed the team in a random order each time instead of going by their actual spots in your party. It may have made the mind games way more viable

[@jpmedina8328]

I think if you could choose who you want to copy in your party before sending Zoroark with Illusion he would have been good.

[@yeahmike3847]

Isn't that how he works?

[@bubbykins4864]

​@@yeahmike3847It always copies the last of your active team members. This means that outside of VGC, where you can only bring 4 out of the 6 members, the closest thing to agency you have with which team member is copied is team slot placement.

[@Acatia2]

Would have tagged Magmortar along with Electivire, but I guess it's not as drastic.. plus Dusknoir was already there. After seeing Joey's latest videos, I was just wondering when the colab would happen, glad that was quick, GG.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Magmortar did manage to stabilise itself later and become a frequent lower tier performer. Electivire just fell down and down and down into depths that Magmortar has never reached.

[@Acatia2]

@@gengarzilla1685 yeah, I meant more like as Dusknoir and Electivire, Magmortar felt overhyped. It did not underperform to the same degree at least..... To be fair outside of Gliscor and Rhyperior... most of those gen 4 evolutions dropped the ball, just some harder than others (well Tangrowth caught up eventually).

[@aliastex8222]

Zoroark may not have fooled us, but can we talk about how FSG has Arceus in his 6th teamslot? 🤔

[@SomeAsian]

"Hey, let's not give Crabomniable Ice Shard, Mach Punch, or good speed! AND let's make it a horrible evolution to a cool Pokemon that will now not evolve until THE VERY END OF THE GAME!"

[@goGothitaLOL]

that was the worst case scenario in every way possible

[@iantaakalla8180]

It’s an Ice type, do you think would be done justice? When they bothered making the next good Ice types it was in the worst game ever for Pokémon, so it literally will be the end of the world or an era when good Ice types are made.

[@tusslintom5341]

Man that old move set for Electivire was gold back then with a assault vest sheeesh

[@henryherold4515]

I find the biggest disappointment comes from all these Pokemon that get saddled with a trade evolution, because then I can't use them.

[@Sonic546416]

I personally feel the Pokémon I was disappointed in for like…ages was Kyurem black. An attack stat higher than Rayquaza and Groudon but with Rayquaza’s speed stat, and it fell to OU solely based off of its miserable move pool. I understand that in Gen 8 that changed but for 3 gens in a row, the gigantic ice dragon underperformed against, well, itself. Base Kyurem has higher special attack to fire off the Draco meteors and ice beams that sadly are wasted on black. Not to mention that ferrothorn slept on like 99% of all Kyurem sets excluding hidden power fire variants. Just…overall disappointing

[@SoulBro12]

Even in Gen 8 Ubers, Kyurem Black is really dissapointing since it can't deal with Necrozma Duskmane due to the lack of Ground/Dark moves

[@yep9462]

@@SoulBro12 Yeah but so is half of the tier

[@LamentingIRL]

Mimikyu was probably the single best pokemon in Gen 7 Battle Spot. With 3v3 being way more fast paced, a free turn to set up and use its Z move, Curse the opponent, or set up a sub if it predicts a status. With entry hazards being rare, it could even run Sash without fear of it getting broken. It has amazing unresisted STABs as well and could beat out many top threats 1v1 just off of Disguise. Even with the nerf to Disguise making Sash unviable in Gen 8, it's still one of the best Battle Stadium pokemon lol. Just shows how different metas can look like in a 3v3 format compared to Smogon singles

[@Jgt612]

It’s quite telling that the big popular romhacks normally “fix” these kinds of mons. Mightyena getting strong jaw and a base attack boost in Inclement Emerald springs to mind as does the fact that almost everyone makes Electivire electric/fighting. I don’t think Game Freak would take a lot of input like that from the fans but it would be phenomenal if they did.

[@goGothitaLOL]

other examples being from Renegade Platinum and Radical Red too

[@phyllotaxis]

Also all the hacks that give Luxray volt tackle.

[@eliyaskiya]

And some hacks giving Vikavolt better speed ( Pokemon ROWE buffs it's speed to a mediocre but kinda usable 70 and Inclement Emerald makes it a pseudo-legendary with 109 speed and 95 attack and 90 defense )

[@Drakorre]

Victory Fire giving a lot of physical Mons volt tackle

[@yeahmike3847]

@@eliyaskiya what's the point tho? Vikavolt is a special attacker....

[@TalkingVidya]

Loving these new formats

[@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056]

New video idea: Biggest teases in Pokemon. Flygon and Milotic not getting Mega Evolutions, and Chandelure not getting Shadow Tag.

[@jeluenhayo2410]

FEAR (and logically Ratata itself) easily goes into this category as it seems so broken on paper when you first hear or see it. But then it turns out it has a lot of complications and 100% guaranteed wins are not as guaranteed after all.

[@prestonangel448]

One pokemon that gets me very disappointed is Aggron, It has a sky high base 180 defense and great 110 Physical Attack. Although it's slow it can still sponge up hits and retaliate with greater damage with it's large move pool with great moves like Earthquake, Heavy slam, Stone Edge, Head smash, Stealth Rock, Thunder wave for crippling pokemon, Superpower, Curse, etc. Not only does it got decent abilities with Rock Head that negates recoil damage from move like Head Smash and Double Edge, and Sturdy to survive OHKO attacks. So this must mean it's great right? Unfortunately, not at all. It has a terrible typing being Steel/Rock and has bad SP. Defense. So it gets utterly pummeled by Fighting and Ground type moves, common offensive types, and gets absolutely steam rolled by special moves (Especially moves like Earth power, Hydro Pump etc.). Again, it's slow so for this generation so everything like Iron Valiant, Great Tusk, Walking wake, etc is going to outspeed and blitz this poor pokemon. Although it's one saving grace is it's Mega Evolution, it's Unfortunately unavailable in this generation (If we're only talking about vgc). So it Unfortunately really trash this generation and it really makes me sad.

[@twilightwolf90]

I did my best to search for it in the comments, but no mention of Malamar? The Contrary Superpower-spamming pokemon that could use its signature move Topsy-Turvy to stop any set up sweepers in their tracks? or how it could use the buffed Knock Off to terrorize any potential counters? And how it disappeared from competitive almost as fast?

[@Rarest26]

-Vikavolt being slow as a snail -Duraludon wasting its typing with abysmal special defense -Silvally lacking the tools to make its Arceus-like role work in the higher tiers -Wishiwashi in general -Grapploct having an on paper broken signature move yet lacking the stats to abuse it -Zamazenta. At this point I don't think I need to explain this one. Yes, I'm favoring late gen mons cause I haven't been playing competitive for THAT long. I started around mid gen 6. EDIT: Grammar and adding Zamazenta.

[@goGothitaLOL]

Grapploct is also lacking the moves it needs to utilize Technichan ability (may as well be a waste), no Mach Punch, no Storm Throw, no Aqua Jet, no Flip Turn, not even any Fairy coverage that and it being a generic slow bulky Fighting-type (even when there's better options) instead of Fighting/Water which would've been better defensively for the more part

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

How is Wishiwashi on this list? It has great stats (excluding speed and hp) and a great movepool

[@Rarest26]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Precisely. With ass HP it means those defenses barely matter. And with garbage speed it can't abuse those offensive stats aside from the rare trick room teams.

[@iantaakalla8180]

The bad trick room team of Crabominable, Aurorus, Vikavolt, Wishiwashi, Electivire, and Hisuian Decidueye.

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@iantaakalla8180 Electivire can't even fit in Trick Room lmao

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

Obstagoon should have made this list. Like image Linoone’s Belly Drum+Extreme Speed set on a regular Pokemon who gets Dark STAB, likely Sucker Punch too, and also Guts. It would nearly be unstoppable with Extreme Speed, Belly Drum, Sucker Punch, and Knock Off, ignoring any burns with Guts and only needing to worry about opposing Extreme Speed or Paralysis being proced. Then we saw its Movepool.

[@goGothitaLOL]

at least it got Knock Off

[@outrageouslamp4539]

Decideueye was a pokemon I found to be disappointing competitively. It has pokedex entries mentioning how fast it can fire an arrow, yet its speed stat is not high enough. I was hoping that with the new form added in legends it'd finally get a decent speed stat. THEY MADE IT EVEN SLOWER.

[@captain_buggles]

In the context of Legends Arceus alone, H.Decidueye is pretty good, but when it comes to what I'm expecting in Gen 9, it's really telling that even with a way higher BST, H. Decidueye just makes me think "shouldn't I just use Breloom?" Even H. Lilligant distributes the stats it has better, on top of having more impressive abilities (if those abilities are in fact what it'll get in Gen 9), so it actually looks like there's a good chance it'll end up better than H. Decidueye, barring new circumstances stemming from info we don't have yet.

[@iantaakalla8180]

When Hisuian Decidueye is the only Grass/Fighting type in Paldea so that it is the best Grass/Fighting type

[@outrageouslamp4539]

@@captain_buggles even in legends it speed let's it down a lot. Arguably more so because you can't do anything in legends when it's your opponents turn and turn order is speed reliant

[@cjr4908]

Mega garchomp being worse than regular garchomp wasn't a disappointment, it was a _relief_ XD

[@DarkShadowOblivion]

Honestly, I'd genuinely consider Arceus a disappointment pre-HGSS for us never getting that Azure Flute.

[@justinnzamora5366]

You really got me there with the Arceus fake out. Anyway, I knew you were going to mention Zoroark in this video. I'm sure this thing would've been an OU menace if Team Preview wasn't introduced. As for Electivire, there is a reason why it's the poster mon for the whole "super effective does not always equal one hit ko." I still admire these two Pokemon regardless of their shortcomings.

[@Matpit18]

I swear I just have a knack for always liking the Pokémon that ended up being worse than people expected. First it was Luxray, then it was Reshiram, and then it was Zoroark.

[@armorbearer9702]

Yikes, Rotom broke the heart of many Pokemon who hoped to be in OU.

[@K8aclysm]

Every time I see zoroark it just makes me sad. Why would you give one of the pokemon with the coolest designs an ability that makes it look like other pokemon and then immediately invalidate said ability's entire gimmick by introducing team preview? I was really hoping H-Zoroark would get something other than illusion, alas that is not the case :(

[@rex.raymond]

For me, Silvally. The lore of it says it was modeled after Arceus but it doesn't translate into its gameplay. It lacks defensive utility aside from its typing. It can't do as much damage and can't be as fast with only base 95 in all of its stats.

[@K4IBUN]

Not giving the gen 6 starters Mega Evolutions in their own game, where Mega Evo was introduced is a such a crime. Also, something for me that always sucks in a mon is when they give it a garbage base stat in speed/hp in order to give it a mediocre atk/spatk instead, like Centiskorch, who has only 65 speed but 95 satk, when it already has great phys.atk. Those stats should be swapped. Same thing for flareon and glaceon and their speed and s.def/physdef stats. Like, why? Just made them really awful.

[@Rankerquat]

With Zoroark in mind and Scarlet/Violet on the horizon, I wonder if it would be almost as game-breaking if you can't see your opponent's "Terastallize" types in team preview...

[@rotciv557]

I'm surprised you didn't mention how, once Eviolite became a thing, Dusclops became more viable than Dusknoir, which was essentially the final nail in the coffin that Dusknoir was being paraded inside off.

[@the_bookworm8281]

Well it only really became better than its evolved form in gen 5. However by the time gen 6 hit, both of them were essentially scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Then what made Dusclops far better in Generation 8 if all of the Duskull line sucked in general for every single generation it existed in?

[@the_bookworm8281]

@@iantaakalla8180 Not sure where you heard that Clops was far better in gen 8. Definitely better than Noir in VGC, but in singles, both are pretty unviable in gen 8. According to Smogon, Noir is untiered and Clops is labeled as NFE (not fully evolved, so not even tiered at anything). Noir at the very least can utilize the new physical STAB Poltergeist. Btw, Clops was actually fairly decent in gen 3 OU, being one of many decently good UUBL Pokemon.

[@gengarzilla1685]

When it comes to the Pokémon who were once fully evolved, Eviolite is too good. +50% on both defences with no drawback is busted on stuff with the stats of Rhydon, Chansey, or Dusclops.

[@netweed09]

Cannot believe you managed to get hold of PokéAim and wrestle him away from his Battle Tower! 😳🤯 Nice work 👍

[@villeneuvesamuel7088]

More recently in early gen 8 I remember galarian corsola was everywhere, in top 5 usage at least at some point, being the unkillable wall everyone wanted banned, some people even said it was better than m-sableye that stall teams just lost. Where is galarian corsola now?

[@alolancubone4737]

Crying in NFE because of how relevant Knock Off is in the meta. The main issue was brought by Home and later made worse because of the DLC, as pre-Home meta had really few Knock Off abusers and also limited Toxic, while GCorsola was unaffected in pre-Home meta because it was a new gen mon.

[@villeneuvesamuel7088]

Exactly, though its usage did petered out before the dlcs. If you want to be a very passive wall, you better be toxapex.

[@Harmless_Music]

actually chilling pretty solidly in gen 8 1v1

[@Drakorre]

Being impossible to kill in showdown random battles

[@stalwartcoleopteran8716]

One of the best collaborations in competitive Pokémon content.

[@deltalord6969]

He isn't on this list but my personal biggest disappointment is regigigas. Dude just can never escape his ability not even in legends arceus. I just wanted my man to have some competitive success in ubers but nope, Untiered it is.

[@IgnitedQuils]

And it doesn’t make sense crippling it as it’s a legendary Pokémon either.

[@sharpeylogic2907]

With the way powercreep's been going, it wouldn't even be that broken without Slow Start. Pure Normal type for one means no resistances for its amazing bulk

[@grizzlyscalp9506]

It's supposed to be the king of the titans but ironically the worst of them all.

[@grizzlyscalp9506]

@@sharpeylogic2907 It would definitely suck in ubers but at least it would have ou potential.

[@Drakorre]

Huge Power regigigas. That's what we need