Top 7 Reasons why CHINESE Motorcycles Kinda Suck...

[@TyFrom99]

Idk man CFMotos seem pretty great, you show me a better bike built by a group of 8 years olds for pennies and I'll concede

[@andyhughes800]

As well as Yammie himself saying that the 450SS is the king of beginner bikes

[@logangodofcandy]

It's not made by 8 year olds. It's made by adults and part of the money lays for genocide of the uyghur people. So, sure they're torturing and killing children, but those children didn't make the bikes

[@meanman6992]

This kind of thinking kills the companies that actually build quality products and innovate.

[@1pyroace1]

😂

[@teej1987]

​@@meanman6992 bzzzz! Wrong!

[@dwubprod6683]

CFMoto does not use ktm engines., CFMoto builds certain KTM engines for KTM., they also licensed that engine for some of the CFMoto lineup., CFMoto also has an engine manufacturing agreement with Kawasaki and wait for it… Yamaha too! The CLX 700 uses a stroked Kawasaki Versus 650 engine for instance… The IBEX 800 uses the Duke 790 engine., if CFMoto is good enough to produce engines and bikes for KTM, Kawasaki and Yamaha then I think the quality is a non issue. You could do with a little deeper research before running off at the mouth., again.

[@airgunbubba2505]

A man that has done his research! Nice to see. CFMoto has been around for 35 years, they are simply new to the American markets.

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

@@airgunbubba2505 they been here since 2006

[@FiddlerKeith]

The thing is, he has said this stuff himself in other videos. this sudden turnaround is just weird considering the rave reviews he's given CF moto bikes in the past

[@chantakzee]

@@FiddlerKeith Gotta jump on the contrarian bandwagon for the views yeah? Considering all the praise from all other youtubers and high frequency CFMoto is pumping out new models, just doing reviews and agree that Chinese bikes had come a long way is not enough to sustain his own channel

[@FiddlerKeith]

@@chantakzee yeah I think I'm pretty much done with this channel

[@garyhooper1820]

After positive reviews of CF Moto . You come down hard on them .. leaves me questioning your credibility .

[@Edwardneff]

I would be questioning the validity of those reviews before questioning Yamm's.

[@willgoldhammer2513]

@@Edwardneff nah, yam praised the hell out of CFmoto's 450ss. then flips the script a couple weeks later. I blame his love of the daytona 675, he probably feels theyre just ripping off one of his favorite bikes of all time. but in reality, the only thing thats similar are the engines.

[@IvanCuay]

@@willgoldhammer2513 I doubt that, here in PH, I see them go for low on fb marketplace because the owner changed to a Japanese Brand .

[@sergionuno]

the positive reviews are about the new bikes, they all look very well wile they are new, but look up for the owners reviews like "one year living with a chinese bike (or CF Moto)" and you will see.

[@IvanCuay]

@@sergionuno exactly, here in PH (Philippines), they go for low 2ndhand in/off Marketplaces and the bike is not even that old like 2-3 yrs old.

[@bestfriends7691]

Yammie’s Social Credit Score just took a big hit 🤣

[@1719pankaj]

Damn them CF moto cheques bounced or what yams?

[@brettcloud8550]

For real, talk about a 180 lol

[@nugsy_mcb7920]

@@brettcloud8550he doesn’t care about truth he cares about clicks, gotta keep that engagement up

[@Q_N-]

Well if you guys don’t like what he’s saying, you can feel free to make your own content. Or go somewhere else to watch motorcycle content 🤷‍♂️

[@ellwoodwolf]

It's his arch, we are now in the talk smack phase.

[@Westside_Hippie]

@@Q_N-do you have a license?

[@tommyfan6911]

Agreed, as a Chinese myself, if I have to buy a Chinese bike, I will only consider CFmoto; any other Chinese brands are pure garbage. I am currently a Yamaha rider in Canada, I am very happy

[@johanneswestman935]

I remember when people said this about Japanese cars, then Korean cars.... Give it a couple of years.

[@dearbulls]

Well, also Qianjiang probably. But CF is the only one came to the US market as a whole manufacturer with full warranty backing. And they had good reputation in the ATV and UTV world already.

[@FinkleIsEinhorn.]

I bought a CF Moto just to experiment and see what it was about because it was so cheap. A 650nk to be exact and it’s actually pretty hardy to be honest. I keep trying to dog it and break it and it’s holding up like a Honda. And I’m not kidding. I’ve literally been TRYING to blow it up (which is why I bought it).

[@naguenomoto]

CF Moto 650NK is base on Kawasaki ER6N, Maybe that's why... I owned the lower cc of the bike, the CF Moto 400NK which is base on 650NK and so far so good. no problem so far 👍

[@Mja094]

I currently own a z400 and was actually looking at that exact bike since the mt07 are way too expensive atm

[@chrispekel5709]

I have a first gen from 2014 and besides a failed ecu it's been fine

[@Trackandshield]

Time will tell

[@GatitoAstronauta]

I have a 250 sr which is made with parts from the bottom of the barrel, and its pretty good, it stand abuse, and going rev limit all the time. (it isnt fast, so i always going 130-145kmph GPS), no leaks, normal on the manual maintenance, the only issue is that vibrate a lot, not like cheapers motorcylcles, but not smooth as an 2 cylinder honda. (the 250 has 1 cilinder btw).

[@juxtarepublic6106]

Just bought a CFMoto 450MT.... Build quality is as good and the price point is 50% less than any of the new Japanese/Euro mounts currently on the market....

[@jax1670]

this video makes sense when you look at this through the lens of a bike as a toy and not a necessity like many parts of the world, especially less developed nations where income is low. Chinese bikes are cheap, Accessible and easily maintainable because shopee and Alibaba/aliexpress are daily use here in asia

[@jorgerivera6307]

is like that just because of proteccionism, sorry if misspell not native speaker, in my country Costa Rica chinese bikes are totally utilitary, just to get from A to B, and are a cheap way to enter, but almost allways a total loss, when the rider has enough saved to jump to a better bike, the chinesse bike lost all its value, so you are again at square 1, but with a japenesse bike you can sell it, regain some cash and upgrade, and the second owner can do the same, usually the third owner is the last, after like 10 or 15 years, bought ultra cheap and rode to death, in china their bike sale more, because they sabottage the competition, just like the USA did to japanese bikes, seeing a pattern yet?

[@unpotatoedsalmon]

Friend got killed on a Chinese motorcycle

[@danieldeichter8973]

The only problem with that imo is that Chinese bikes are cheaper from the store. But for necessity you can buy a used japanese bike for even less the price. If CFMoto and Benelli can make a reputation they will rock in 10 years when they will be a competition in the used market as well though

[@randomweirdo4467]

​@@unpotatoedsalmonThat sucks brother, sorry for your loss. I hate to be morbid but was it due to mechanical failure or just a car not paying attention?

[@treasurewuji8740]

@@jorgerivera6307use that one as an around town bike. Big bikes are pain to commute with😂😂😂

[@ishibashisho]

As a Japanese person, I am delighted that people around the world ride Japanese bikes and consider them reliable.

[@sergionuno]

Personaly, ive been riding japonese bikes since 1994, Honda, Yamaha, still own a 2001 XJ600N and is still reliable.

[@intensegamer7559]

Here in Europe you can often see Japanese models that are way over 20 years old in pristine condition having +200k miles on them. That pretty much speaks for itself.

[@M_Jono]

in Indonesia the honda moped frame rust and broken like prawn crackers , so many people die from that , and no recall and responsible from honda.

[@Lemmon714_]

I have been riding Japanese bikes since 1990 and wouldn't consider anything else unless I had unlimited money for a v4 Ducati. All were Honda except my current 1000sx and all are fantastic. My 1981 cb 900c never had anything done to except for routine service since new until 2005 when I had the valves checked at 46,000 miles. One needed adjustment.

[@RandomPerson-ii9vp]

@@M_Jono Beda bro, klo mau yg bener pake Honda beneran kaya gw. Honda Forza, karna masih CBU dari Thailand. Sisanya skutik2 mocil dimari ya kualitas Ahaem, wkwk.

[@ARIEMFPS]

I understand your point, but i make you ONLY one question? How all motorcycles companies start? I get you the answer as well, trial and error, most of them get almost closed, no brand started already with amazing longevity, excelent performances, dealers all the corners, clients in the whole world. So let give this guys a try. They have a excelent starting point, years of experience from another brands, new materials . I can imagine 40 years ago the reseable value of the big brands. I bought recently a CFMOTO and I not regret at all. Bosch electronic, no need to talk about their experience on chat market, Brembo brakes again no need to talk, KYB shocks, Versys frame, ktm engine. Dont make your subscribers a brand buyer.

[@Ephem13]

Saying CFMoto is new to the market is misleading. They have been popular all over Asia for many years. Also, saying they are just rehashing ideas, name one new innovation from other brands in recent years. All that's happening right now is a push for automatic and automatic adjacent bikes, that's it.

[@Jash_F]

superchargers, Hydrogen, Hybrid with kawa? i think kawasaki is the only one currently playing with their capital and honda's E-clutch system i guess?

[@Ephem13]

@Jash_F the E-clutch is functionally the same as a quick shifter and Rekluse clutch. Forced induction is not new, even to motorcycles. Hydrogen and hybrid are both old, well sorted tech. It's just not in common use. If someone put out a steam-powered motorcycle, we wouldn't call it new tech.

[@DudeVerse]

Yamm: CFMOTO is great! Also Yamm: ew CFMOTO delulu memer

[@nsdhanoa]

I don't know, that Voom 500 hit me right in the 90s nostalgia and I like that thing visually over pretty much any new model from any manufacturer. Give me one in hideous teal and purple and it checks all my boxes.

[@mattmitch6]

Felt this. hahaha

[@indelaxiom]

To be fair, a company has to start somewhere 🤷‍♂

[@SP_Cbr]

Was going to comment this, then saw your comment 😂

[@animabatalla8668]

i agree with you bddy

[@emster5624]

But they didn’t start from scratch. Anyone can 3D print a Glock but it will never be the same

[@johanneswestman935]

Yup. I'm old enough to remember when people were making fun of Japanese and Korean cars in the west. Now you see them everywhere. The Chinese are really good at scaling production and bringing down the price. 10 years ago nobody would have believed that the Chinese will be ahead of the west in cellular technology. They are. Their electrical vehicles are cheapper and better than anything made in the west. This is just the typical coping when a new player enters the market.

[@ellwoodwolf]

Yep, but by the time I trust them, they will be the same price....

[@JohnnyUtah87]

I bought a Chinese Apollo 125 dirtbike off Amazon for my kids to learn on. After loctiting everything and swapping the carb, it's been pretty good. Definitely exceeded my expectations.

[@randomweirdo4467]

There is a forum out there called China Riders I highly recommend them. I haven't pulled the trigger on a China bike yet but I've been thinking about it. The engines are old designs based on Honda CG series engines and it would seem you can swap out some of the more critical parts with Honda parts. In your case I recommend grabbing some Honda sprocket studs for your boys rear sprocket some failures of the Chinese studs have been reported most likely due to improper heat treatment the place I mentioned earlier should have a precise parts number for getting a hold of some. Have a good one man.

[@JohnnyUtah87]

@randomweirdo4467 that's awesome, thanks for the information, really appreciate it.

[@NzScruff]

Reliability? There is a german guy who rode a stock 450MT threw Turkey and other parts of Europe and put 10,000km on the bike. Still going strong.

[@charliequach6399]

I just saw his video actually. I'm gonna wait for the CFMOTO 800cc modern retro to be released. Their 450 CL-C is a bit slow.

[@Trackandshield]

10k ain't a shit

[@charliequach6399]

It's a new vehicle that's just been released. Geez. Lol

[@mattmitch6]

Another guy recently tracked his 800nk from 0 miles to break in maintenance and the bike had zero issues. I don't think reliability will be an issue for CFMoto. I own a 450ss and have had to order rear seat fairings and replacement mirrors. Both from Aliexpress and both came within 7 days and look, feel just fine. I'm pretty happy I got the 450, it has tons more features than my homies bikes and seemingly has had less issues

[@RandomPerson-ii9vp]

@@mattmitch6 Hi, do you feel any overheat issues? Since my country is quite hot, i am afraid it will happen here.

[@AhmadNabeel-qo8jh]

Not disputing anything being said in this video but what if Chinese bikes are your only option? In my country, I have a choice of locally-built Honda, Suzuki or Yamaha bikes (ranging from 70cc to 150cc). Chinese bikes are the ONLY option open to us when it comes to anything over 150cc. Want a cruiser? Want a dirt bike? Want an adventure bike? Want a tourer? Want anything other than a low-powered POS? Chinese imports are the only option. I understand that Chinese bikes may be considered garbage in the US or European markets but for a big chunk of the world, these Chinese bikes are our ONLY options. The world is a MUCH bigger place then the North American and European continents.

[@userre85]

Which country are you talking about?

[@durgeshn8791]

​@@userre85he is from Pakistan

[@pavo_9768]

I agree on this one. My brother cant afford a bike but wants to ride so I just gave him my old ybr125. The joy he has after a ride is priceless. Forget the market, brands, competition and all that shit. If some people cant afford a "real" bike, why should anyone hold their back on the option to get one. Even if yammie didnt have a decent cashflow I bet even he would consider buying a cfmoto. Harley, japanese or cfmoto, If I see your bike straned on road I will stop to help

[@msreedaran89]

I also think this channel is a bit snobby about brands - kind of like how Car & Driver is very partial to European car makers. If you live and breathe high quality motorcycles, anything "average" might start to look too bland. I think China is not a market where they can take the risk of producing something as finicky as a Ducati - and if someone is that rich and snooty in China (or India), they'll just import the fancy stuff from abroad just to flex on everyone around them. People might be using their bikes much more gently, service and parts might just be cheaper and more accessible, and constraints like parking space or fuel economy would make bikes like this exactly what markets like Asia, Africa, and even parts of Europe (if their standards are met) need.

[@Deftech-f]

Then don't go to a video reviewing chinese bikes for a NA/european market?

[@willb5590]

They said this about Chinese phones. Now there are loads of good Chinese phone brands building decent stuff. They soon realise Western markets wont buy crap that breaks, so often have actually decent build quality.

[@TravelHvy]

Didn't we used to talk about kia and hyundai in the same way but they progressed.

[@Lemmon714_]

Both have regressed in the past few years.

[@TravelHvy]

@@Lemmon714_ not on the rally stage they're doing pretty good. And sales beg to differ.

[@willb5590]

Exactly, and about Chinese mobile phones. Now theres Oneplus etc building great phones.

[@Black_Drako]

Kia and Hyundai are not chinese, they are south korean, it's like comparing a Samsung with a Xiaomi.

[@TravelHvy]

@Black_Drako how ? when they were considered cheap and nasty just like cfmoto is now....

[@no-channel-9812]

i really dont understand your hate towards cfmoto in particular... come with proof that cfmoto is bad instead of saying its chinese so automatically its bad. cfmoto is trying to build ana ctual good qualltit company and is really succesful at that so far. your hate is going to influence young beginner riders not to buy the bike they might like the most looks wise and crush dreams.

[@ΒάιοςΤσιαλκούτης]

The weirdest part is that this same channel has praised 300ss 450ss and generally cfmoto. It is so contradictory and out of the blue.... Also that they are not innovative is not an actual point on not buying something.

[@no-channel-9812]

@@ΒάιοςΤσιαλκούτηςyeah plus they are innovative the design has not been seen on a bike ever before if anything every other bike is not innovative i feel

[@pavo_9768]

Alfa Romeo owner of 8 years here. I still dont know of this lack of realibility I have been hearing for 10+ years

[@The450Raven]

It’s contradictory because his paycheck comes from clicks and engagement. He knows full well he’s setting himself up to say “I was wrong about cfmoto” in a future video. That said, I bought the 450NK myself because it truly does look awesome and has been said to be a pretty reliable platform. It’s been incredibly fun thus far and when it’s said and done I’ll be able to say I’ve had just as much fun as the dude running around on a Craigslist Gixxer but I was also the sole owner and know the entire maintenance history and how it was treated. I do live 40 minutes from a CFMoto dealer so maybe it made more sense for me, but they definitely have nothing but an upward trajectory in the market right now especially with their brand partnerships.

[@Westside_Hippie]

@@The450RavenThat first paragraph Tinfoil Theory - The seeds was really planted with the Daytona 660 video, if not, even earlier

[@EnigmaGameMaster]

Nah man. "Who asked?" I asked. All those bikes look so fucking cool! It works, it looks amazing and it's cheap, emotional connection achieved.

[@adivarso8175]

Yamm doing a 180 like a crank..

[@paradoxworkshop4659]

You say that now... But remember that the CF Moto 450 MT is basically sold out, and will likely be scalped at dealers. (My dealer assures me that they won't...) Edit: CF Moto make their own engines.

[@vivir_en_ruedas]

Only the 450cc motor is made by CF

[@vivir_en_ruedas]

And its awesome

[@teej1987]

​@@vivir_en_ruedaslol what ? They make the nk800 engine , that ktm also uses . They also make the clx700 engine, they just bought the plans from kawasaki for their 650

[@CaptainChrom]

@@teej1987 The 790 engine was developed 100% by KTM and up until 2022 built in Austria. CF Moto is only manufacturing it since KTM moved the production to china in 2023. It's not their engine. Additionally the 790 that CF Moto uses in their own bikes is not the same that KTM uses. The new Euro 5 790 Engine KTM uses in their 2023+ models is derived from the 890 which itself was a derivation of the Euro 4 790. The Euro 5 790 that CF Moto is using is the old Euro 4 790 that they had to modify to pass Euro 5 themselves and since their R&D is not as good as KTM's it has less torque (8 Nm) than the KTM engine which has the same spec as its Euro 4 version.

[@vivir_en_ruedas]

@@teej1987 thats what I said . ONLY the 450 is made by them. You got it backwards....ktm and kawa make motors and CF use them

[@Tim-turbo-o]

There is a reason why Chinese-made motorcycles are of poor quality. The Chinese government's negative attitude even suppresses the development of motorcycles. If capitalists can't make money in the motorcycle field, no one will think about making good products seriously. But with the improvement of China's overall manufacturing level and the government's industrial support in recent years, I have seen more and more competitive motorcycle products appear. This acceleration is continuing. You don't have to be sarcastic about Chinese-made products here. The development of everything has certain objective laws. Just like decades ago, people laughed at Japanese cars as garbage, but now everyone has changed their original attitude. No matter how anti-China a person is, he still can't stop wanting to buy DJI products. More high-quality Chinese motorcycle products will emerge in ten years. We can wait and see.

[@ypcyc4760]

Of the chinese companies out there, I would only buy from CF Moto. No one's making motorcycles that look like CF Moto's Papio XO-1 (aka Papio Racer, aka Papio SS) and the new "VOOM" 500SR. Sure, it's inspired by the 90s CBR400rr, but nobody else does it right now, which makes them unique in this generation. Also, their 450cc engine is so freaking good, every type of bike they made with it is reviewing well; be it sports bike SR, naked NK, cruiser CL-C, and the adventure model MT.

[@brettcloud8550]

I'm desperately waiting for more info on the NA release of the CL-C. Such a good lookin bike.

[@TopNotchPanch]

I bought an 89 CBR250R as a first bike before the voom was announced because I just love the styling, good move on them. Looking to pick up a CL-C 450 as a second bike very soon

[@chrispekel5709]

​​@@brettcloud8550I just took one for a spin in Australia. It's a great little bike and the build quality is amazin. It does 80mph easily

[@M_Jono]

in Indonesia the honda moped frame rust and broken like prawn crackers , so many people die from that , and no recall and responsible from honda

[@johnjackson2349]

I know someone who was bought a a 125cc Chinese bike and he said after 1 year it felt like it had been on the road for 5, it did the job but wasn't especially well built! Either way it got him back into biking (after 20y absence) so in that respect it was worth the cheap price

[@sergionuno]

Many people here complaining saying that Chinese bikes are good. No they´re not, people saying good things about them dont have them for long enaugh to know. but how do i know? I ride, i do mechanics, my friends trust me to fix things in their bikes, Chinese bikes have all sorts of troubles, bad weldings, rust after a few months, bad electric conections, lose screws, the known "chinesium" metal parts that break quite easely, parts falling during long trips. many many times people going to ride in groups and their chinese bikes having to call the tow truck. Chinese bikes are cheap, but they are cheap for a reason. You want to buy a cheap bike? buy a used japonese bike, or something Made in India, those are much better than anything build by the chinese.

[@tenspeed4140]

Wait til he finds out CFMoto actually has a partnership with Yamaha.

[@intensegamer7559]

I‘m sure he knows. And I guess he didn‘t mention it because it doesn‘t concern western markets since the partnership is limited to the Chinese one.

[@ahjess768]

Only for bikes sold in China, probably why their bikes' headlights and design have similarities to Yamaha. Would boycott China made goods, they have a negative effect on your country's economy. They are government funded to take loss just to destroy competition with price to take over the market. No thank you.

[@calebs.8776]

I have a bike-in-a-box Hawk 250 DLX. I'm at 1000 miles and have changed my oil and chain... That's it, literally nothing else, this thing rides like a dream and crushes off-road and around town. Definitely recommend one when on sale for under 1,700. I didn't buy expecting high quality, I bought it because I know what the possible issues are and I'm not taking someone else's unwanted bike in an unknown condition with unknown treatment.

[@stephen2wheels]

When you talked about useless feature cramming, it reminds me of my $1600 (new) Chinese 150cc Scooter. It has the most obnoxious alarm system, a key fob that can start the engine, usb ports, a wheel lock, and a kickstart option. Sometimes the engine would get started by accident from a pocket, and there’s no automatic shutoff feature…but that’s ok. No one really wants to steal it anyway 😂 The only real advantage is that parts are super cheap since all the Chinese scooters cloned the same engine.

[@LionKing15520]

This is a very fair comment. It is better to buy a second hand established brand than a new Chinese one.

[@NikosReegas]

Kove,CFmoto,Voge. The assembly quality on the finished products is screaming that the Chinese have succesfuly closed the gap between them and the rest of the global manufacturers. Even the Japanese weren't to be trusted when they first entered in the global market as car & moto builders.

[@andremigcasol]

I think people need to try out motorcycles and see for themselves. I do think you bring some valid points to the table. However it is how a bike feels that dhould be the deciding factor (of course no one should buy a bike that feels great but will only last 1000 miles before breaking). I bought a CFMoto 450NK because of all the bikes that I tested (chinese, japanese and european) its the one I liked the most. This is the most important thing when you choose a bike. And yeah, so far 4500 km (2800 miles) and absolutely loving it!

[@aks1852]

look, I own a cfmoto 450ss with ~4200 miles on it. oil changes and regular maintenance done by me. its reliable as EVER. It has my seal of approval after all the abuse I've put her through!

[@imkow]

Commodities change on the market. You are selling old goods. Check out Zontes 703F Adv and 703RR Racer. They're made by the 4th largest bike manufacturer from China

[@leh.6913]

Still saving up for my first bike, so it will most likely be enough time to see how cfmoto progresses until I get a bike, but I like their bikes a lottt

[@Veilside-ol9hx]

Here in Argentina this bikes are really popular, because is what we can afford. They're not high quality but run well and doesn't have major problems. A guy that can't afford a BMW buys a Benelli TRK 500 that costs 8k used, and, for example, a BMW f800 can costs like 15k. I have a Benelli TNT300 with 14k km and not a single problem. Now i'm selling it and buying a Royal Enfield 650. Probably the GT model. This bikes probably doesn't have any sense in the us, but here is what we have to ride. Resale value still high because of this. A ninja 400 brand new costs like 10 grand here.

[@designforABC]

People thought the same when japanese vehicles started

[@mattcorbyny1]

Chinese and Japanese culture is very different. Quality starts with culture

[@nanaholic01]

Except within the same time frame (30 years) Japan completely changed its reputation as a country which makes cheap knock offs to a country known as making the best quality productions, yet China in the last 30 years are STILL really only known as a country just making cheap knock offs with the exception of a handful of brands.

[@austinkonrad]

@@mattcorbyny1 You'd be hard pressed to find a Japanese bike that doesn't have parts manufactured in China in it.

[@mattcorbyny1]

@@austinkonrad the difference is japanase quality control flowed down from the japanese company to the chinese manufacturer. but when left to their own devices, chinese companies almost always cut corners. there are exceptions, like dji. but not many

[@austinkonrad]

@@mattcorbyny1 everybody cuts corners, stockholders crying about margins, they lean on the CEO, CEO leans on the bean counters, bean counters lean on the engineers, corners are cut, personnel is laid of, QC and R&D suffers, short term margins are boosted, long term viability suffers, sales plummet, CEO retires with a a missive golden parachute, new CEO is brought in rights the ship, rince wash repeat. The only culture that has anything to do with that process is the culture of shareholders thinking short instead of long.

[@KurtisIsley]

Yammie's indictment of Chinese motorcycle manufacturing (no R&D, cheap labor, cost cutting, lack of innovation) could be applied to a lot of Chinese manufactured products.

[@danieldeichter8973]

Just like modern BMW bikes XD

[@BlankChaz]

Chinese pioneered "stainless steel" kitchenware that rusts, and hardware (nuts, bolts wood-screws and lock-washers)as tough as cold butter sticks. Avoid metal objects from there for safety reasons. Disposable plastics and electronics? Meh, WGAF.

[@scottporter0069]

My fucking fridge, stove,microwave, television, radio, watch, computer..... everything just died. Should have bought from Japan damm it

[@scottporter0069]

​@@BlankChazU.S. Plastic is sooo much stronger

[@Skypso]

Idk dude this video seems super unresearched, CFmoto really seems like there trying and are holding up I haven’t seen any issues with em. I know a girl who has had one for over a year and she has had 0 issues last time I talked to her I agree some of the other brands are sketch but cfmoto seems to be not a bad pick

[@jjstuartonwriting8150]

I don't think the Chinese Walmart mentality of cheap cheap cheap, applies to cars and motorcycles. That's a mindset they need to change to be viable.

[@Villani_AV]

Sure, but that would mean they're more money and a lot of people ain't got no money

[@jjstuartonwriting8150]

@@Villani_AV I know that sounds logical, but when you buy cheaply made things, they tend to not last long or need frequent repairs, leading to a larger investment over time. My dad always said to buy quality because in the long term it is cheaper.

[@imphluent2763]

@@jjstuartonwriting8150I have a cfmoto 450ss 8k miles on it and still running strong lmao runs so smooth

[@andrewhopson9777]

CFMoto does Not use KTM engines. They build SOME of KTM engines. There is other misinformation in this video,please use your platform wisely.

[@AM-uk7jv]

Ya’ll can be early adopters of Chinese bikes and if they ever get to the level of Japanese bikes in the future, I’ll maybe reap the rewards from ya’ll’s sacrifice.

[@simonb3078]

They SCRAP motorcycles when they reach 13?! Whaaaaaat? That's madness. I just bought me a 23 year old bike. My bike before that was also from 2001 and the bike before that from 1980.

[@DaFanky]

CFMOTO has had solid models for 2 years and the 1000 mile reviews a year long reviews are almost all positive. When are we going to admit that these bikes are here to stay especially with the new 675 coming out.

[@Anthony-hc9ib]

Remember when u buy a cf moto for cheaper price than Kawasaki or Honda. Good luck getting parts for that bike. You will wait forever. Get hit. Need fixed. Not good. Hassle all around. Buy what’s known and has parts

[@JiminyP91]

I bought my 2022 cfmoto 650nk with 1200 miles on it for 3000 American dollars. It's been great for a 1st bike and I've put 2500 miles on it so far. My next bike will be a Honda or Triumph scrambler but I have no complaints with 650nk. And there are 2 dealers within 50 miles of me. And there is a cfmoto U.S. dealer in New York.

[@davidsain3865]

And there goes Yammie, beating up on the CF Moto 675 SS without ever having rode one. Your preconceived hatred knows no bounds Yammie! I know you're a young squid and weren't around in the early 70's but the same crap your spouting about was said about your beloved Japanese brands.

[@carlangelo653]

I'd rather ride a motorcycle made in india rather than a chinese bike. If bajaj bikes can survive in india they'll survive anywhere. 😅

[@sefiross]

I think Yammie doesn't know what he's talking about. Only the high-end Honda Yamaha Kawasaki is really made in Japan. everything else is Taiwan or India

[@mabroukatis]

The comments are amazingly pro Cfmoto. I am sold! 😂

[@Edw1nik]

The amount of misinformation of this video makes it look intentional

[@JoeStanek-vu7rl]

I sold my Aprilia because the closest dealership is in Seattle, I own Yamahs now.

[@razergear]

Too much generalizing without much substantiation. Every bike manufacturer I know make some good bikes and some shitty ones. All bike manufacturers do it to maximize profits, Chinese bike companies are no different, except they employ a different strategy for market penetration. They also innovate a lot, just.that many of their products are only sold locally within the Chinese market. I ride an MT09, the brakes are lousy. Maybe they should've put in the Brembos instead.

[@how2alive79]

crazy thing is theyre not even THAT much cheaper

[@carlosdubon8539]

because they are good bikes. yammie noob needs to grow up.

[@BigJimFodder]

In my garage I have a monster 937 and sitting next to it there's a 2 year old benelli tnt 125. I love that little bike. It's been rock solid, cheap commuter and saves pointless boring miles on my Ducati. Sure it won't be worth anything but I bought it to ride to death at 105+ mpg. Does that easily as well as a honda at twice the price.

[@john.s1962]

You nailed every single point. My friend has a cfmoto 450 sr-s, it's fast and looks cool, but somehow it's also boring and without character. My father's '93 Eliminator 400 steals the show, and it's a 4 cylinder, in a sport cruiser, it's freaking great!

[@ShinzouWoSateSateSate]

You're really comparing a 4 cylinder cruiser to a 2 cylinder sportbike?

[@0.Kiano.0]

I have the 2023 CFMOTO 450SS. The design of the chain adjustment could be better, but besides that, I love this bike. And it’s more affordable than other brands within its power range. Sure there’s not many dealerships that can get CFMOTO parts as easily as other brands, but CFMOTO’s sport bikes are still fairly new as they’re continuing to make a name for themself in the US market.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

What is wrong with the chain adjuster. Mine works fine and further more it works just like my friends BMWS100RR. Same design it pulls the axle back with bolts and jam nuts.

[@0.Kiano.0]

@@CharlesR.SteinruckIII some people have complained that the adjustment design is flawed for the 450 SS/SR. Too loose and the bracket itself comes off. Too tight, and well, it becomes too tight. Between all that, there’s that perfect tension, but the adjustment is sensitive. And that’s not including lining up the tire straight either, which can make it somewhat more difficult because you also have to adjust the nuts on both sides of the wheel evenly while simultaneously trying to find that perfect tension on both bolts as well. However, everyone has a preference and their own methods to doing things. Some easier than others. I believe Aboto Moto (motorcycle enthusiast) also complained of the same issue and hasn’t made any content on the bike ever since. But he can be pretty judgmental at times.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

@@0.Kiano.0 The only flaw in the design is it relies on a competent person using it. The some people complaining have done one of two things. Failed to tighten the jam nut against the adjuster nut using two wrenches to either tighten or loosen the jam nut. Not using two wrenches puts torque on the adjuster bolt and its attachment point inside the swingarm. Or not doing what I explained above and lost the jam nut because it vibrated off, then the adjuster nut vibrated off, and the black swingarm end piece that the adjuster bolt runs through fell off, or lost jam nut and wrenched the adjuster nut against the plastic end so tight so they think they will not lose that nut and break the plastic end. The black end piece in the swing arm has to be like that for replacement access. If you ever strip, bend, or break the adjuster bolt you need access to slide a new one in there. Not tightening the jam nut properly is the only way anything can work its way loose. I have had 19 new bikes and a bunch of used to flip and sell on bikes in my 68 years. The design like on the 450SS pulls the axle back with a bolt attached to the axle and the other is a cam that put pressure on the axle to move it. I would say of the total bikes I have had 95% of the adjusters were like the 450SS. People have come to me over the years saying I broke my adjuster, or it fell off with excuses and not being truthful and blaming it on design. One it is wrenching on the adjuster but forgot to loosen the axle first. Another is forgetting to tighten the axle then under acceleration/torque snapping the sprocket side adjuster or what it is attached to, or under braking /torque snapping the rotor side adjuster. Like I said the design is not the problem. There is nothing to lose ,wear out, or break on the chain adjuster design on the 450SS as long as the people using it fallow the proper sequence. I know the owner's manual does not provide the proper steps so some people without knowledge of certain things could result in lost or broken parts. Sorry it was so long but to get the designs point across and how it supposed to work needed to be addressed.

[@axel955555]

I completely disagree with your argument about brand perception and brand loyalty. I think you should evaluate a bike for yourself and decide what value does it provide for you. No matter the brand, as brands are money earning machines in the end that do not care about you. My 700-CLX Heritage might not be emotionally attractive for others but as my first ever bike it will forever stay in my heart (going super well so far!)

[@nickmegadeth6633]

I wouldn't buy a Chinese motorcycle even if you paid me...

[@KahliberZero]

Actually pretty hyped to see the cf moto 675 sr-r launch in America. It looks fuckin sexy and sounds pretty damn good too. Hopefully it rides just as well.

[@mattiasala972]

Yeah, hope for a great price also. In china it cost 5000$ but it s impossible that it arrive at this price, hope for something between 7000 and 9000

[@KahliberZero]

@@mattiasala972if I bought it in china for $5k, I wonder how much it’d cost to float it to the east coast 😂

[@airgunbubba2505]

It's out. 7999 USD!!!!!!! INSANE price for what it is. Absolutely kills the R7 in every aspect except that 270 crossplane sound.

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

I rode couple Japanese bikes recently Yamaha R7 is garbage vibrates to damn much to be comfortable. The 675 will be my next bike.

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

​@@airgunbubba2505the 3 cylinder use a ramped up version of their 450SS motor add extra cylinder

[@b.p.stimemachines2327]

I think the Chinese bikes to a degree are good to enhance your stable. I mean if you want a shitty dirtbike just to hit some trails around your house and nothing serious then who cares burn it up the road away they give you an opportunity to buy cool looking shitty motorcycles at a cheap price price and that’s about it.

[@Raeodor]

I have a cfmoto in my smaller city 10 miles from me.. they are also a ducati dealer. Ive bought 2 cfmoto bikes from them. Both are over a year old and they run like champs. The aftermarket parts scene is growing too. Not a fan of china, but both these bikes got my daugher and I riding together without dumping savings.

[@arokiswrld]

The CFMOTO 450ss is amazing , yammie could never change my mind on that🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Black_Drako]

You buy cheap, you sell cheap.

[@aao331]

The Kove motorcycles are actually offering new things. Their 450rr is 30kg lighter than the zx4rr and their 450 rally adventure is also very light.

[@MrBuzzBrain]

Dude, if a Chinese manufacturer wants to succeed in Europe and American continent they have to deliver quality at the same level as US/Europe/Japanese manufacturers do. As look at CFmoto.. they produce their own bike as they also produce engine and other stuff to other well known motorcycles companies. You can bashing the Chinese manufacturers as much as you want, but in the future you will eat your own words you just put up in this video. In cars and motorcycles the Chinese are rapidly catching up with the other manufacturers as they know what the customer wants. If a product is designed to be delivered in western world they produce it to our standard. Is easy to see, if you had live a bit in asia you can see that they produce goods for different marked with different qualities and prices point. I have followed your channel for a while, but lately I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I think Chinese manufacturers like CF moto would only be stronger in the future and deliver quality products as other manufacturers.

[@pspirz]

Is it cheaper because it is cheap, or because it has no sentimental/ cultural value, thus no extra brand value? Also, if they use the motors that they sell to others, then by default they should be cheaper to them. Regarding the stealing of intellectual rights, you should be more than certain that if such a matter existed, big companies would win curt fights, at least in Europe, Canada and the the USA and they wouldn't be sold. Let alone how some of the big European companies build their fame by stealing other companies and just offering better a better build quality since they didn't spend on research. Still, I have no "historical records" on what areas you should trust a Chinese bike and where/ when it will fail you. Eg. Italian bikes do not age well, German ones will get needier as they get old and Japanese will last forever but it will not be the best deal at any current time you buy them.

[@davew8841]

I parked up next to a CFmoto 450 sports bike at the shopping centre yesterday and I was a bit surprised to see that it had Brembo front brake calipers. Really?! I didn't expect that. I was on my 11yo Speed Triple and was quite impressed.

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

What you did not see was the Bosch ECU and ABS

[@ethantang6282]

The 13yr scrap policy for bike in China isn't new, it has always been like this. Private automobile used to have 15yr scrap policy but it was abolished in 2006. For bike the policy remained unchanged to this day.

[@oldcowbb]

lack of R&D, lack of branding, most of these are just coming from the fact the CFmoto is a relatively young brand,

[@John_Ridley]

I had a CFMoto 700 CL/X. It was a fun bike. It had a few rough edges, mainly weird fuelling. I liked riding it quite a lot though. I unloaded it because I started getting in to old bikes and I needed the garage space.

[@MadBlazer89]

After seeing a CFMoto 300SR how it look after an accident I swore if I will ever get into motorcycling I will never ever buy a chinese bike. The rider was an idiot and killed itself, but I never saw a front wheel broken off from the fork after just hitting a curb...and the whole bike's chassis curved. And this didn't even happened at a very high speed either, probably 90kmh/50mph according to the police. Damn.

[@wenzhangliu6713]

90kph and crash into anything can cause both rider and the bike death penalty, do you really think 90kph is a slow speed in car accident?

[@jumer37]

ok so bought a cfmoto cause this channel have positive review on it then this video came very nice very nice

[@SS-or7mz]

Too late, I already went with the CF moto clx 700 sport. I have nothing to compare it to with it being my first bike since my ten speed at the age of 11-12 but I can say it does everything I wanted it to do when I purchased it. It is a ridiculously fun stress reliever. This is my first full season of riding so only time will tell.

[@xdbrecht]

my first bike was an bullit bluroc 125 brand new. rode it for 3 years almost 11k on the clock when i sold it. never had any issues with it. did replace some off the chinese parts like tyres,rear suspension, headlight. sold it in perfect working order and 2 months later new owner calls me that it left him strandid and he never did the maintenance that i did some parts weekly like, almost all te time on a charger, nut & bolt check, chain maintenance and so on. now i have a honda cb125r huge improvement in every possible way but not the caracter like my bullit had.

[@DELL.ACNT.]

He was telling people CF Moto was good a few months ago. 😂 Now suddenly, he's telling the truth. Goes to show, don't buy a bike based off what some KZbinr told you. They might just be sponsored or paid to say positive things about a crappy product.

[@dearbulls]

My CFMOTO CLX 700 Sport is a fun and reliable bike that looks great. It's day and night better than the Kawasaki 650R that I used to have, despite its being based on the same engine. Almost every aspect, from handling and shifter to tires, brakes, and suspension, is way better than the poor Kawi, unfortunately. Sorry for you being a Chinese hater, you be you. But I'll buy a CFMOTO over any India-made bike, such as Royal Enfield.

[@Mdviousdt]

Been on the same Triumph for over 10 years and 137,000miles riding trails while I see the same dude on a different Chinese bike every time we ride. Whale Biologist - I calls’m like I sees’m.

[@danb6497]

Could be that the guy can afford changing bikes like gloves. Or was paid to try and review Chinese bikes. Personally, I prefer to change a bike every 1-2 years. Regardless of the brand and displacement. It just gets old and not fun

[@Mdviousdt]

Maybe he can afford to change them out every oil change. I’ve never been bored of any particular bike, I just improve that bike or myself, usually myself. That bike has been the most reliable vehicle I’ve owned, so I can’t justify selling it. I have been looking into other bikes, since I’ll need something that can ride 2up easier. The addition to my garage will not be Chinese, it’ll probably be a T7.

[@danb6497]

@@Mdviousdt It's also rather difficult to sell something with this kind of mileage. Only at a very low price, but it would make no sense to sell it at all then. As for Chinese dirt bikes, I own one myself, a standard carburated 250, a brand you've probably never heard of, can't even tell what engine it has on or what the mileage is, since it doesn't have a dash. It's a 4-years-old bike and so far it hasn't had any critical problems with the engine or anything that would cost more than a few bucks to change. It's been through some tough times as I prefer to ride rocky mountain trails. The plastics are banged up, and I did some banging on it with a hammer, but considering that the bike only cost me around 1000$, I believe it's a fair trade

[@Mdviousdt]

I think my Scrambler was $9k new. Been using it as a trouble free daily dual sport since. Outside of maintenance. it’s never needed anything. It’s not exactly a TW200, but I can ride the SM500 and the Alpine Loop practically in the same week without trailering. I’ve never had another reliable truck after the Bronco, so I’ve always had to highway to trail.

[@danb6497]

@@Mdviousdt Maybe it's a reasonable price, but I've always been a cheap bastard and I don't want to pay that much for something I may accidentally drop off a cliff. Road or adventure bike - sure. A dirt bike..nah

[@sorbicsagor5080]

My buddy bought a CFMoto 700 and is generally happy with it although he already wants something with more power. He's owned it less than a year & doesn't have many miles on it so I can't comment on longevity however he did have a cruise control issue that would kick his bike into limp mode and it turned out to be a fairly common failure. I've rode it a few times and it doesn't inspire any real thrill but feels fine. I'd say having an ultra low mileage failure that would be dangerous on the freeway is a bad mark for reliability but overall it's much better than the complete knock off Chinese bikes I've played with in the past. That combined with the ethical dilemma of supporting China leaves me playing with Japanese bikes for now.

[@BeerdedMECH]

A year ago you had multiple videos saying that CFMoto makes great bikes. You, along with some other youtubers, are the reason I chose the 450ss as my first one. You even enjoyed that very bike during your review! Now you're saying they suck..which is it? 🤦‍♂️

[@certainpointofview3860]

How is the 450ss treating you? I also am confused on his flipping and flopping

[@BeerdedMECH]

@certainpointofview3860 I haven't bought it yet, but I've made my decision that it's what I want.

[@gonnaphagequit1315]

Idk man cfmoto is pumping quads since pre 2000 and never heard anything bad that i remember. They want a big bite in the market and going for many bikes for low price instead of high price less bikes and its ok. The 800mt makes 90-94hp (depending on where u live its weird) has support for now and top of the line parts. Yeah its "just" a ktm motor and? If it works. Its around since 3 years and nobody said anything bad besides a "jerky throtle" but yeah thats what sports mode does duuuuh read the manual.

[@MrCyclee]

I've been pleasantly surprised at cf motos quality I've worked on the quads first then a few side by side models and I was not very impressed at first but it has gotten better and their motorcycle line is off to a great start. If i didn't own better bikes already I'd gladly own one.

[@scottastell9415]

Comparison is the thief of joy! Let the kids have fun on new bikes and depress the overpriced used market. Then they can buy cheap used Japanese litre bikes when they are off their learners/ Ps.....

[@seabassgt7998]

cf moto has experience building side by sides that people really enjoy and get use out of. hell they just dropped a 1000 turbo 3 cylinder sxs for only 19k with features youd only get on a 35k polaris or canam. hell dealers are literaly selling the new canam mav for 65k.

[@pjb4653]

They've been around for 35 years and it's wear all the parts are pretty much made on whatever you ride lol

[@ilikelampshades6]

Those chinese cruisers look better than Harley Davidsons. Probably perform better too

[@billyandriam]

Take my downvote Yammie! You're scrapping the barrel for content. - CFMOTO is a company which builds their bikes at Tier 1 factories, they have been around since the 80's and have never have any bad rep about reliability. - Parts galore: Chinese parts are very very easy to find and cost almost nothing. I bought a replacement windshield for my 450MT for 8USD! and it was a genuine "CFMOTO-CRAFTED" part with a valid SKU! A windshield for a comparable BMW GS costs north of 300EUR, good luck justfying that with all the mental gymnastics I know you're capable of. - CFMOTO is again a brand that is competing is worlwide races. It is bound to become this year's Moto3 champion (both driver and constructor) and beating the likes of Honda, KTM and Husqvarna. - CFMOTO is also competing in Dakar. Makes you really wonder, if a company is poud enough of their brand image to compete at some of the most prestigious races, isn't is fair to assume they are legit and serious about their products? If you're into paying double the price for some overrated, lauded traditional japanese/european brands, then good for you! But your gatekeeping on Chinese bikes is insufferable.

[@hp816mclean]

My buddy had a 2018 American Lifan KPR 200 for his first bike and it’s not terrible but yet surprisingly decent for what it is. It he bought for $600 and flipped it for a profit for selling it for $2k. Now he’s got a 2005 R6

[@Villani_AV]

Complains about no innovation, also complains about the only flat 8 vehicle on the road

[@pm7521]

I've had a chinese 250 dirt bike for about a year, put 4000 miles on it so far, I use it for dual sporting. It has 6 speeds, a counter balanced engine, fully adjustable front and rear suspension for $2400. It runs great, no major problems so far. Is it top quality? No, but it seems like a great value for the money. The internet is full of sites selling replacement parts too.

[@intensegamer7559]

Dude you put 2400 bucks worth of suspension on a bike that probably cost no more than 3k?

[@maximoran9863]

"Quality" and "Made in China" don't go hand in hand

[@chrispekel5709]

You think an iPad is badly built?

[@deathgrip41]

Been shopping for my first new bike and feel like I've watched a dozen of your videos praising CFMoto, and now this? Are you on your menstrual cycle or were they just paying you before? Either way I'm done watching your videos obviously can't trust your opinion when you 180° one week to the next.

[@certainpointofview3860]

Agreed I’m in the market for a new bike as well and when I saw the title and thumbnail I thought what the fuck? I was literally planning on a ninja until this channel showed me the 450ss

[@deathgrip41]

@@certainpointofview3860 Well I just had my 450SS delivered tonight. It's an amazing looking bike. For me I got a great deal on it as far as pricing in my state. Was also looing at the Ninja and what made me decide on the 450SS was the standard ABS and GPS tracking. Other than that I think they are extremely similar with Kawasaki having the advantage of a long history producing bikes.

[@PhuongVo-s8d]

i think chinese bikes might be that way but chinese bikes build to being sold in America will have standards they have to meet if they plan to grow here.

[@emster5624]

My friends would’ve laughed at me if i ever bought a cf moto as my first bike

[@gerryryan2302]

pretty much spot on ..i think that they are being more cynical ..deliberately undercutting established brands and spamming the market poss even selling at a loss in the short term ..like it or not all the people that have already purchased these bikes have not bought an established brand , so that will create market pressure on those manufacturers ..until you start hearing of them closing down due to insufficient sales . then the Chinese brands will basically put the prices up and try and monopolise the market ..its a ruthless business plan in my eyes ..

[@chrispekel5709]

But the Japs did that to kill the British

[@jimmythebeast8279]

Remember, peopel said the exact sme shit 30-40 years ago about Japanese....

[@ellwoodwolf]

I just think about hyosung....they were around for a while. As far as other Chinese manufactures I hope you get a good one, cause parts will be harder to source and less quality - not that they can't, but that they don't.

[@TheSunMoon]

In Singapore, we have CFMoto and Zontes that's from China. Was thinking of getting a CFMoto 400GT, but finalized on a Honda 2023 CB400X(CB500X) just because of the resale value if eventually I wanna sell it off.