FIRST DRIVE: Toyota GR86 vs Manual Supra - Which Analogue Sports Car Is Best? | Top Gear

[@sapphpirate]

I hadn't thought about it before, but has anyone else noticed that we've been saying things like "the last of the rwd manual sports cars" for like 20 years now?

[@nejcmrakrelax]

And the last v12 for about 10 😂

[@findmeifyoucan]

Well with gas prices through the roof and governments trying to ban petrol vehicles, it's definitely on the horizon..

[@kdpwt]

Yeah, but I mean, this car has been around for 10 years lol, and rwd has been diminishing since fwd existed

[@nonstopper]

It never ends. Car journalist all regurgitate the same garbage the other one says

[@mjbakedbeans]

@@nejcmrakrelax the v12 is one it’s way out, I believe the next aventador will have hybrid assistance

[@sunnyvalentino]

Supra gets a lot of hate but its smaller, lighter, more agile and with far far better weight balance vs the 2JZ motor predecessor. B58 engine can also handle lots of boost and is reliable.

[@a7a416]

it's become a trend to hate the supra sadly

[@mr.coolio4321]

I don't hate the new supra, only the mk4. In saying that, however, the gr supra is still quite hefty for its size, but it is a bmw at the end of the day

[@sunnyvalentino]

That's what enthusiasts do, nit pick everything and buy used. When the 2JZ Supra came out it didn't sell and got a lot of hate, so did the original NSX. This is a car we will look back and regret we didn't buy, esp the manual.

[@aidarhelpswithenglish4160]

Toyota makes money, guys. That's what automakers do. When you are a top manager and walk in the room with the bosses, are they here for hearing how Toyota is doing in urban tuners culture? No. They are here to hear if they are doing okay in sales, and stable and far from bankruptcy. They've been bitten in the ass when developing LFA for 10 years only to flop badly, losing a billion dollars (really, a billion) . They lost a lot of time and money, and came out with negative balance. Toyota goes with safe options and high sales. Those ould be family saloons, and hatchbacks. And can we blame them and hate then at the end of the day

[@SmallBlogV8]

I'm not sure any car from 30 years ago is really meant to be the main reference point for the performance and refinement of a brand new car, shared name badges or not...

[@JohnFromAccounting]

There's such an unbelievable amount of demand for RWD manual cars that there's no reason they should stop making them. Engines keep getting more efficient each year, and it makes economic sense for companies with a motorsport division to keep making them. The 86/BRZ competitions are very accessible for amateur drivers, and it would be idiotic to throw away all the hard work that built that up over the decades.

[@darrenmathias9384]

Politicians particularly in Europe secure seats by promising tighter regulations on ICEs. The majority of general public there dont care about the legacy of RWD sports cars

[@pan4632]

yup. I don't see this formula going anywhere until ICE is completely banned, if that even happens. All this "last rwd manual" stuff is nonsense.

[@ChrisBa303]

Lawmaker emissions standards are getting so tight even honda would have had to pay huge fines in 2021 if they wouldnt have partnered with Tesla.

[@harris7963]

Toyota will unveil RWD EVs in their future EV lineup.

[@tezzasaurusrex]

Sadly this is not true. There's unfortunately never been a lesser demand for sports cars. High R&D costs, low sales figures, emissions etc has put massive question mark on the future of sports cars. Combine that with the fact that too many so called enthusiasts never buy new cars you have even lesser attractive sports car prospect for manufacturers.

[@bura4579]

I picked up my manual GR86 a couple months ago and I still love it every time I get into it. It’s such an amazing car!

[@pk1342]

I'm 7 years in to gt86 ownership and still feel the same every time I get in. Congratulations on the GR. Enjoy driving a bonafide classic!

[@scootergrant8683]

@@pk1342 Is it true that it feels like a good sports car not something made good by the tech and lots of power?

[@williamcricket7931]

Are you from America?

[@pk1342]

@@scootergrant8683 it feels like a driver's car. Quite raw by modern standards. Nice steering feel and you can feel the chassis rotate around you. The tactile sensations improve the faster you go as well making it more alive the harder you push. great interior ergonomics for driving position and pedal position.

[@bura4579]

@@williamcricket7931 yeah I currently live in the United States.

[@simonbates9779]

I’m a tradie and I get to drive my manual rear wheel drive Toyota Hiace everyday. It even makes cool turbo sounds from its Diesel engine. It also only has one driving mode from the factory. 😂

[@khish7]

Straya mate

[@trianggaindralukmana2184]

We also love the hiace 1kd engine. Its powerful yet comfort too

[@beyondthelol]

love turning the traction control off in the ranger on a wet day lol

[@kenneth5769]

I love that they kept that handbrake lever on the GR86 👏

[@arandomcommenter7051]

These are actually super under rated from the factory. US spec ones are dynoing at 210-215 wheel horsepower and 170-175 ft pounds. Using 15% drivetrain loss, this works out to about 247-252 flywheel horsepower and 200-205 foot pounds of torque at the flywheel. So they make about 25 hp and 15 ft pounds more than even they say it does lol

[@moldyrefrigerator]

That makes sense, because the 2.0L (FA20) in the GT86 made 205hp, or 102.5hp/liter. Now utilizing all the same engine technology and techniques, the GR86 increased the displacement to 2.4L by increasing bore size. There’s no reason it shouldn’t still be making 102.5hp/liter….So 102.5hp * 2.4 = 246hp for the GR86/‘22+ BRZ. 228hp advertised is almost certainly sandbagging the actual number.

[@josephfarmer0]

They need to make more GR86's!

[@Fastvoice]

Toyota wanted it to be rare.

[@buffering7612]

@@Fastvoice dirtbags

[@popsbubbles1242]

Yes agreed selling out in 1.30 is ridiculous.

[@KiraOniiChan]

There's still 2 people ahead of me in line for a GR86. So close to having one lol

[@magnustan841]

They will, if more people buy it new, not just thank Toyota for making it and wait for them to trickle on the market, depreciate and enthusiasts pick one up for buttons.

[@futeditzs2482]

Its Good to see Toyota back!

[@fathifathi490]

You mean BMW and subaru

[@godzilla_area5111]

@@fathifathi490 come on man don’t give them a hard time the MR4 wasn’t a Toyota it was a Yamaha

[@i8yourDog]

@@fathifathi490 ok and?

[@fathifathi490]

@@godzilla_area5111 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bruh-ib5hz]

@@fathifathi490 2020 called, they want their joke back

[@Mqtisse]

"So now lets have a little civil war" Most british thing ever.

[@beganny]

3.5 years later and I still love my BRZ every time I get in it and drive! (despite the torque dip)

[@Sindalis1]

5+ years for me. Still brings a smile to my face every time I take it out, even for just a trip to the shops.

[@MrLikeaboss71]

torque dip can be easily fixed with headers and a tune mate, equal or unequal length, buy secondhand and used openflash tablet, easy fix under $1000

[@TheG60528XiJinPing]

Turbo or 2.4 will do that right up for ya

[@Ajuna100]

Going on 7 years with my Monogram Spec FRS but looking to upgrade to the GR86/BRZ in the near future.

[@carlmanu]

OFT tune, carbon fiber driveshaft and dip’s gone!

[@civiccrewrojosi]

Other than pushing the end of petrol cars, good video. Thank-you TOYOTA for helping to #SaveTheManuals. 10 years ago I wouldn't have guessed TOYOTA would be helping to save performance cars and manual transmission vehicles. WELL DONE TOYOTA. I might purchase both to help keep cars like these alive!.

[@UMPride9NCs]

Pretty sure they were forced to by Nissan.

[@civiccrewrojosi]

@@UMPride9NCs Thank-you Nissan for - #Savethemanuals

[@boi5599]

Toyota also is keeping the luxury V8 sedan alive aswell! Their new lexus IS comes with a V8 option (IS500)

[@R19Robbin]

So sick that they made a manual version of the Supra 🔥🔥

[@purwantiallan5089]

R19 Robbin, ever test drive the NA tune of Supra?

[@mrstrawcloud]

Thanks to the new Z

[@gretsky3463]

I loved my Supra, but my biggest complaint wouldn’t be the auto transmission, it was the suspension. I had plans to get aftermarket, but never got to. It’s great to throw around, but a little unstable through high speed stuff.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

You can thank Nissan for that manual Zupra

[@DeanBKK]

It was just a reaction response to the new Z. Toyota was gonna lose A LOT of sales without a manual.

[@StandingUpForBetter]

Well done. Toyota is killing it! These 2 cars are definitely on the short list. Now I just hope I am able to get one in at MSRP.

[@MizzouRah78]

​@Supra RCJPOP LOL. What a hater. I'd love to hear how it's worthless...

[@isKuzan]

@Supra RCJPOP you must be a lil boy

[@alandonglei]

@Supra RCJPOP sadly not as you wished, Supra actually been selling really good tho

[@luksa3084]

@Supra RCJPOP cry

[@westcoastplinkin6559]

@Supra RCJPOP LOL The MK5 Supra has been doing very well.

[@jacktaylor2472]

Great to see Toyota collaborating to build cars for drivers. GR86 wins this one for me, more pure design and nimble handling.

[@teisguitar_old]

hell yea man, it's my Dream car

[@justryan5697]

Also way cheaper

[@muddystick]

"The supra felt lazy and heavy" So like a Supra then?

[@steadyboost7]

Right? Supras were always GT cars. This newest one is just lighter than the 2 previous models.

[@jacksquat1265]

Real talk

[@philippwetter]

@Supra RCJPOP Would be a 1000bhp monster once you spend another 30-40k grand haha

[@MizzouRah78]

I'm no car review analyst, but I don't feel that way about mine at all. Granted, I also don't track it...

[@TerrannotOP]

The supra is anything but lazy, it feels jittery to drive

[@HowellDiesel]

The 86 is just such a wonderful car there's no other car like it... It's perfect in every way, you can recline your seat and sleep the seats are so comfortable and the interior is so sound and cozy, you have plenty of room to pack up for vacation or camping. The handling makes you feel like a professional right out of the gate, the sound system is above average, the simplicity of the interior makes you feel like you're sitting in a classic, nothing overwhelming about this car, it is the perfect balance. I can't find a reason to change my daily... I couldn't live without my 86

[@saltpug3996]

this is awesome to hear because i’ve recently been thinkin of trading in my corolla hatch for one and everything i’ve heard so far is definitely makin it seal the deal for me. can’t wait to finally have a fun rwd daily

[@Smearrrrrrgle]

@@saltpug3996 it’s a huge step up from the previous bodystyle, I’ve sold a few them.

[@davepaturno4290]

If it's not a drop-top or targa, it can never be the perfect sportscar for me. Once you have that open air feeling while driving on a curvy country road, you'd never want to go back to a solid roof vehicle, no matter how light it is.

[@HowellDiesel]

@@davepaturno4290 i feel you on that

[@shaggyman8564]

There is one car better than the 86 and it's the BRZ

[@selektor2567]

Considering the power level and engine size, the supra is lightweight for its class.

[@LamborghiniBrotha1]

Right lol. It weighs 3400 Ibs…I’d consider that light in todays age.

[@spdandpwr]

Interesting: this is one of the most aggressive reviewers of the car. Meanwhile, a lot of other magazines had much better things to say about the original MK5 supra. As an owner, and an owner of a fair bit of other sports cars, this reviewer is way off the mark with the comments about the car being lazy and feeling heavy. First, it weighs less than nearly every other car in its class and it has quite quick and twitchy steering. My gripe is that it is too twitchy and takes away confidence in the turns / switchbacks. I felt more confidence in driving my F80 than I do in the Supra, BUT the Supra has some nice bits to the experience (like the exhaust) that compensate for the twitchyness at the limit.

[@Ober1kenobi]

He is trying to appeal to a certain part of the audience, it’s kinda pathetic though

[@skip741x3]

@@Ober1kenobi came across that way to me as well.. it was like anGR86 infomercial... more than heavily biased..

[@leolopez626]

So true can’t believe he said ~3300lbs is heavy I hope he understands we’re lucky to get anything under two tons now a days 😂

[@spdandpwr]

@@leolopez626 Top Gear went downhill

[@sanjoriot]

Sounds like you could use a different alignment if it’s that twitchy?

[@skyhookspirits]

Thanks, you confirmed what I also concluded about the GR86. I just bought one and I am totally loving it. Ya just can't drive the 86 without smiling. It is soo much fun.

[@kylenewberry8598]

I mean the Mk4 Supra was not a sports car, it was a GT compared to the other Japanese competition. It's a beast for drag race and touring. If you wanted a light sports car you went for the RX7. The Nissan and Mitsubishi options kinda split the difference. We act like the Mk4 was the RX7 lol.

[@theangryMD]

True that and I'm flabbergasted that this point is not mentioned more often. Yes the following cars here from Japan in the 90s were awesome: RX7, 3000GT, WRX, Evo, Celica, Prelude, S2000, Miata, MR-2, Supra, 300ZX; but they were often nothing alike (eg Miata or MR2 vs. 3000GT or 300ZX) and these days you'll see people comparing Miatas to GR86s...like, what?!?!

[@ChrisSoignier]

Go look up the weights of these in twin turbo configs in their last years. The Supra was lighter than all but the RX-7.

[@BRAINFxck10]

⁠@@ChrisSoignierso? 3500lbs is still heavy

[@BRAINFxck10]

LC500 is the new Supra

[@puregsr]

Wish we can have a car that Toyota builds, Mazda tunes the suspension and designs the exterior with Honda providing the engine and shifter.

[@benoitbricet8885]

This is very probably ongoing Right now. The gt3 concept with it's long hood is screaming Mazda collaboration rx9 vibes. I believe, from my imperfect point of view, that the i3 we have in the gr Corolla and Yaris, are irl test mules for the i6 in that gt3 concept.

[@lashlarue7924]

yeah I wish we could just reboot the s2000

[@sbsb4995]

Manual is the way to go. Love it.

[@donaldlee8249]

People here in the states are reselling their gr86 at insane prices, absolute crime

[@mrs_radrod]

Can you please pat the shift knob in the Supra a little harder?

[@Juicebag99]

Thank you for saying what we were all thinking lol

[@DevPack]

Literally only person that has complained about the Supra. Car is properly balanced and is a solid sports car. Having the 6spd option just makes it much better.

[@SlickSniper3]

Agreed. This journalist is just a shill talking non sense. Top gear is proper shit now.

[@Jimbos_a_Zed]

The B58 is far better suited to the zf8 in my opinion. Definitely in the BMW's I've driven. Not sure what box this is though

[@collinmanning8334]

They finally released a 6 speed Supra...... I'm sold.

[@CarlosRangel]

@Supra RCJPOP my '21 supra hasn't gone down in value at all since I bought it, it's actually a fantastic investment right now especially in this market.

[@typhoon-7]

GR86 uses the same cruise control lever as my 8 year old Hilux. I guess the Toyota parts bin is well engineered so everything just works. I know it's not a sports car but every single thing on my Hilux works. Like the day it was new. It has never failed to start. And I've given it some shit. I live on a farm, it's off road and on road every single day. I got to hand it to Toyota, if they have made these sports cars as well as their old pickups they'll go on for ever.

[@Momo_8k]

20 yes ago, I had the same cruise stalk in my 1991 MR2…

[@richardhoulton4016]

The old fashioned cruise control actually works just fine. If it ain’t broke…

[@christiangallagher1689]

@@richardhoulton4016 ... don't fix it. Same here in the 2011 Prius with 200k miles without a glitch. Toyota simply makes superb cars.

[@MScotty90]

What year is your Hilux? I have a 2008 Tacoma and I've always wondered about the level of parts commonality between the two.

[@typhoon-7]

@@MScotty90 it's a 2014 but the model year started 2008 and facelifted in 2012. So much of it is 2008 vintage too!

[@cameronlaw9363]

Got a grey GR86 on the 2nd of September, I believe it was one of the last brand new ones sold in the UK, it's brilliant fun, the dash everything it needs to say

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I've got one arriving in 3 weeks. Maybe I'm part of the last allocation.

[@fu5221]

Got mine last month. What a great car! What is also great about it is if toyota doesn't have parts (which they don't currently where I am at) you can always get parts from subaru

[@siggy2609]

A manual supra in yellow or a manual gr86 in white are definitely some options for me in the future. I hope they sell a decent amount of both in the uk so I can get them used for a bit cheaper eventually

[@Cressida024]

Did you pick either one up yet?

[@Toyota4Life]

“ The people who make loads of dishwashers “ The disrespect. Toyota has made over 30 sports cars and sporty cars or more in their lifetime. Toyota has a very colorful racing heritage and history. Have some respect. Some People like to ignore Toyota’s history

[@olivergriffiths4445]

I think he was referencing Toyota's current lineup as opposed to all the cars they have ever made.

[@mariinito4291]

The most understanding and sane Toyota fanboy be like :

[@xxz1434]

Toyotas are junk kzbin.infotLj1up_T_cU?feature=share

[@Proper.Builds]

the GR86 is 6.4 seconds in AT My MT GR with wider tires does 0-60 5.6s avg

[@shivamarya5225]

VS GR Yaris, I really want to see a threeway battle between the GR badge models

[@sage11x]

I love the GR86/BRZ. Have an 13 FRS right now (US GT86) and I’m running it out until the last possible minute to buy a new GR as I think we might not have many choices here in the near future so I want to get one to last me a while (have a daily so these cars see few miles).

[@MVolkJ]

I had a 2013 FR-S as well - until Friday! I gave the GR86 a lot of consideration, but ultimately the Supra won me over, ZF8 auto and all. Good luck with your GR86 search - they're scarce on the ground at the moment. You might actually have better luck with the BRZ (and finding one without a markup).

[@EnhancedTrashBin]

@@MVolkJ Hopefully with the Nissan Z and Honda Civic Si coming it would help the GR86 hype die down so I can get one myself MSRP though yeah, I may just be leaning towards the BRZ if that is the case. Edit: also forgot about the GR corolla

[@Cressida024]

​@MVolkJ Also had a 13 frs. It blew up 😢 tying to decide between these two. Manual transmission. Are you happy you spent the extra money on the supra??

[@TrojanRabbit521]

As a 2nd generation BRZ owner for 2 years. The twins are amazing street sports car. Eager to be playful but also a best friend in slide. I can even foot to floor without fear of being flung into a tree or breaking the law (too much) However if you have access to a track then I would go for Supra which can punch above its power if your good enough driver. I just know that give me power & I’ll use it and get myself into trouble.

[@Pitti_xD]

GR86/BRZ is so GOOD

[@ORG8]

I cant get my hands on a gr86 they need to make more

[@Barbwire710]

My local dealer (USA) has a 10 person waiting list. Had to get BRZ.

[@TheWoebegoneJackal]

This was a pretty disappointing video considering it's from Top Gear. I love the GR86 and defend entry level sports cars right to exist, but wow this guy really didn't give the Supra a fair shake at all. Why even include it in the video if the "comparison" is like... 30 seconds long.

[@zenkoz3158]

Maybe because it was just more enjoyable driving the 86. Honestly speaks volumes that the supra got an embarrassing amount of screen time lol.

[@johnybigarms]

The Supra has been talked about to death, this model is an improvement, but it’s not transformational, still will be the one to buy if you think long term, more lower, lighter and manual all bode well for future values

[@HayateV3]

It’s a blatantly biased video geared towards the GR86. He jumped into the seat of the Supra with nothing but negative comments from the start. He then immediately went into the 86 talking it up and dismissing that it’s slower in every aspect and has shitty interior. Combine that with a WORSE fuel economy and almost half the power? It’s overall a far worse car. As somebody who’s driven both cars (Supra in auto) I would argue that the Supra is just as refined but has so much more to offer. Now factoring in budget is a different story. If you can only afford the GR86 then that’s the car to get, but if your budget is over 50k I wouldn’t even glance at it. The video ends with him calling the GR86 the best sports car in Toyotas line-up which is pretty much a blatant disregard of the Supra’s capabilities.

[@zenkoz3158]

@@HayateV3 with how much tech they had to cram into it because of using BMW parts im very doubtful that they feel anywhere near as engaging and grounded as the gr86. That's the overall argument i keep hear against the car, all its inputs feel artificial and not as connected as youd expect from an actual sports car. Im not saying its an objectively bad car but i feel its more comparable to something like an Infiniti q60 red sport, a grand touring coupe with enough power to raise your hair but cushy and filled with electronic assists to make your daily commute melt into the background.

[@zenkoz3158]

@@HayateV3 with how much tech they had to cram into it because of using BMW parts im very doubtful that they feel anywhere near as engaging and grounded as the gr86. That's the overall argument i keep hear against the car, all its inputs feel artificial and not as connected as youd expect from an actual sports car. Im not saying its an objectively bad car but i feel its more comparable to something like an Infiniti q60 red sport, a grand touring coupe with enough power to raise your hair but cushy and filled with electronic assists to make your daily commute melt into the background.

[@RitchieBui]

This was not a comparison video. This was a GR86 review. There was maybe 20secs tops about how the Supra drives

[@khristoferyan]

Because the GR drove better.

[@RitchieBui]

@@khristoferyan And you know that how? Video never went into a comparison

[@skip741x3]

@@RitchieBui severely biased review, if u could even cal it that

[@twobrotherscycleanda]

Still love my 13 FRS, but I'd love a gt4 version with the gr Yaris engine.

[@fashioniconjaylienkay]

I love my '22 BRZ. She handles and performs so well and makes driving fun, Every. Single. Time. She also outperforms average drivers on the road which always puts a smile on my face. lol

[@thundering_fox]

The only problem at this point are dealerships or should I say stealerships. I had to go out of state for my Neptune GR86 Premium to find a dealer that did msrp and actually had one that wasn't reserved yet. I feel it will be just as bad to get a manual Supra and I expect huge markups.

[@skip741x3]

this is like a GR86 sales ad with the manual supra mentioned as a side note...This is more like "Reverse Gear"

[@ThePilotGear]

the GR86/BRZ along with Mazda's Miata have the world beat in the sports car realm. Affordability is a huge characteristic and key aspect of the 'fun to drive' aspect. Even if you have Supra/Nissan Z money, it would be wiser to choose the cheaper, smaller, lighter option anyway.

[@ThatOnedude374]

Nobody’s picking a brz over a nissan.

[@nn99nn99]

@@ThatOnedude374 I can afford a Z but I'm going with GR86. The interior of the Z is so ugly and I want a lighter car that is naturally aspirated. Also Nissan is a lame company.

[@ThePilotGear]

@@ThatOnedude374 even if you have the money to spend, you might want to keep it for something else and get an incredibly enjoyable car. It's not inconceivable to pick a Miata over a 911 GT3 (even if you can easily afford the GT3) given the money savings, and the fact that you're still getting a great car.

[@tonychau1983]

@@nn99nn99 the z looks cheap instead and out

[@samuelgarrod8327]

OK comes across as a bit of a local journalist who's dad knew a bloke at top gear magazine. A great persona for publishing magazines.

[@frankgile1996]

Man, if you told me in 2010 that Toyota would have a really awesome sports car range by 2022, I'd laugh at you... And yet, we got the GT-86, and then the GR Yaris, the GR-86, the Supra (even with a manual gearbox now), and even a GR Corolla (even the thought of being excited to see a video about a Corolla still sounds kinda absurd... But it looks like an awesome car). I don't know what happened to Toyota, but I hope they keep it up...

[@codeskhr4092]

now if they could only put their own engines in the cars it would be even better

[@fnxtugboat3541]

@@codeskhr4092 this doesn't really bother me as much as it seems a lot of other people. why fix what isn't broken? They can cut costs way down by using engines that are real world tested good engines.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

All this "disappointed by the Supra" bullshit... it's a fantastic car that people blag on about "it's a BMW". It's a well build, fantastic car... and sure the manual box is what petrol heads wanted, and we got it. ALL modern cars are heavy with the huge amount of electronics and safety kit.

[@oliox8685]

Totally agree.. The Supra is the daily driver. The price difference in minimal now, about 4k in the UK.

[@limitededition3278]

I really would of thought you would of put the 4 cylinder Supra vs the GR86 that would of made more sense.

[@TalkSteer]

The 86 doesn't need a turbo.. it's perfect as is... It works so well for what it's built for and that's to have fun.. wish it could have been a bit cheaper.. could have done without some gadgets

[@thomasturner9188]

It's fun like it is but can use more power

[@Uncleruckus42069]

Who else thought he was going to talk about how the Supra transmission feels like?

[@razokevX]

I test drove a Supra and it is fast and fancy and nice looking, but I did not feel connected to the road like I do with my 86, which is what made me fall in love with my gr

[@symh7505]

yeah, i just wish the gr86 has better styling. The supra is truly beautiful

[@TheBTRGarage]

Guy is a wrangler on that shifter :o Glad I got my GR86, amazing car!

[@alphabeta8403]

GR86, a great S2K replacement. Miss that VTEC tho.

[@jansenstettler4609]

Currently watching gr86 videos to see if i want to sell my s2k for one. this comment might’ve made my decision for me

[@alexc7864]

@Jansen Stettler depends on the year and mileage on your s2k. If the miles are low enough and it's an 06+ I'd side for the Honda. You'll probably retain most of your money in the long run with it too. S2k prices have been on a steady climb the past few years annoyingly for me. I can't believe I could have had a low mileage club racer for under 30k just 6 years ago. Now it's just about double.

[@alexc7864]

@Jansen Stettler that being said I have an order in for a gr86 so I don't think either is the wrong choice.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Toyota Supra still is the best. Regardless whether its Manual or Automatic Gearbox.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

BMW you meant to say ....

[@Raikolt]

@@ACommenterOnKZbin Yes dude we get it, BMW made the car. You're not smart or sharing something nobody knows. Its not clever, its just cringe bc honestly it being a BMW is a good thing. Toyota Interiors are dog ass compared to BMW interiors and the B58 motor is a far better motor than the 2jz ever was. Stay crying

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@Raikolt Not smart huh ?? I'm not the one calling it a Supra am i ?? Did i say it being a BMW was a bad thing ?? NO And you think the B58 is better than the 2JZ that has proven itsef to do 2k hp ??? Has the B58 done 2k hp yet ... NO Listen here kiddo, shut yur mouth and get back to GTA ... B58 better than 2JZ ... 🤣🤣🤣

[@Raikolt]

@@ACommenterOnKZbin it IS better than a 2j lmfao. What makes you think that those incredibly high hp "2j" motors share even one part in commom with a factory 2j?? Different piston/rod/cam/head designs, different internal materials, different internal manufacturing processes, completely different blocks made of different materials with different bores and sidewall thicknesses, different cooling channel design, etc. Those engines are not even 2jz engines anymore, they're like 50-80k usd fully built motors that were made to loosely resemble the 2jz design but they share absolutely nothing in common with the original motor. And its only like that because theres 30 years of development of these parts under its belt. The 2jz in stock form takes way more money and tuning to make power in comparison to the B58 motor.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@Raikolt show me ANY B58 pushing 2K hp .... I WILL WAIT RIGHT HERE ....

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

I'm getting rid of my beloved FK08 type R for a GR86. The civic is an absolute weapon, but I fine myself pining for RWD and I have to get my fix while I still can. it arrives in 3 weeks :D

[@Scott-mu4xw]

I love my GR86, I think Toyota dropped the ball making it in a automatic, it seems you can find them everywhere, and the wait for Manuels is long. If the auto was a DCT I get it, but it’s not so what’s the point.

[@rocketots]

I have no complaints with my auto Supra /shrug

[@shaned1500]

went to the dealer the other day and theyre marking up gr86 manuals by 5 grand whats the point of toyota making an affordable sports car if by the time you walk out of the dealer youre out 40 grand US

[@tizodd6]

I wish manufacturers would police dealerships on that a bit better. It's the dealerships who are trying to gouge potential buyers.

[@falcongamer58]

@@tizodd6 but it's the buyers fault at the end of the day, they tolerate high prices when they're proposed, so the dealers would accept the offer

[@tizodd6]

@@falcongamer58 Eh, I can't argue with that. If people would stop buying at ridiculous prices en masse, dealers would have to start pricing more reasonably.

[@On2thakneppz1]

Lol 9 grand over here by me. Couldn’t stomach it

[@shaned1500]

@@tizodd6 i get why dealers do it they have less inventory to sell right now so they are trying to make more money per car. but its just a shame when its supposed to be the affordable model. the gr86 wont be a rare car down the line they will sell tons so paying over feels really silly.

[@slapshot0074]

I like the overall look of the gr86 but have never been able to get past the narrow wheels or cheap interior. Wasn't wowed by the Toyota (bmw) supra in the beginning but much more exciting in the flesh and rare and different enough to appeal.

[@jamestonkin8610]

Was waiting for the firm yawnful "BMW" comment. It's called platform sharing..... And if it makes manufacturers able to afford to keep building awesome cars then go ahead.

[@slapshot0074]

@@jamestonkin8610 Funnily enough I'm well aware of platform sharing and nowhere within my post is a negative comment on this. It is a statement of fact that the car is a Toyota/bmw.

[@VladoooThe]

Kudos to BMW and Subaru for keeping the manual/rwd formula alive 🙌

[@ju4121]

Comments are getting old.. Bmw makes awsome cars. Plus lotus uses Toyota engines? Are they Toyota or lotus?

[@E9X330]

@@ju4121 using an off the shelf engine is not remotely comparable to buying your halo sportscar from another company

[@linkwpc]

@@ju4121 never gets old

[@jz7551]

@@ju4121 the new Lotus uses a Toyota V6 engine but that’s about it. On the other hand, the new Supra uses more than just the engine from BMW. The interior is BMW (buttons, and a old gen infotainment system), the pedals look just like the Z4, the chassis (the wheelbase is the same than the Z4!)… those are a few of the many things that are shared with BMW. Oh! Another thing, both the Z4 and the Supra are assembled in the same plant in Austria (idk if today, 2022 it’s still the case tho, I’d assume so..)

[@AKK5I]

🤣🤣

[@YouArentSlick]

Should’ve had the GR Yaris/Corolla as well

[@lawrencepll76]

Please do a comparison between the Toyota GR86 against the Ford Fiesta ST! Both world class entry level sport cars, with drastically different approaches!

[@typhoon-7]

Good idea. They're about the same price and performance on paper aren't they? I'm low key hoping Ford do a Fiesta RS to be compared with the GR Yaris ....

[@lawrencepll76]

@@typhoon-7 They are pretty much spot on for price. Performance was is similar, but one with a 1.5L 3cyl turbo, the other with 2.4L Inline 4 NA! Couldn’t be more different on paper, yet they are both equally great cars! Would be an interesting fight.

[@joevanseeters2873]

That Supra definitely has the right sounds going on! Over the new Z, the Supra takes the prize on factory exhaust sound, hands down.

[@gerglmuff]

the 2.0T supra is the turbo 86 everyone says they want, but dont actually want.

[@E9X330]

People want a Japanese car, not the MK5

[@peejayem4700]

Nope, when everyone asks for a boosted 86 they’re not seeking a Grand Tourer imho

[@gerglmuff]

@@peejayem4700 the supra isnt a GT car.

[@peejayem4700]

@@gerglmuff Notwithstanding that Grand Tourer is referenced by Toyota in it’s own marketing and within the first sentence of Supra’s wiki page… and the fact that it’s sold in ‘GT’ form in parts of the world? Car classifications are murky at the best of times but the Supra spans the GT space imho

[@gerglmuff]

@@peejayem4700 bro, the 86 is called the "GT" 86 ... and its not a GT. the supra is a z4, which isnt a grand tourer either. its way too small.

[@reanozeon9459]

Toyota Supra gets my vote !

[@gpanag93]

Did you just call Toyotas dishwashers with wheels? Show some respect boy.. Toyotas are very well designed in order to serve their purpose with safety. Not everything is made for performance.

[@zynthio]

The 86/BRZ blows the mk5 Supra out of the water for me in terms of styling, coolness, and personalization. Even if offered either one for free I’d take the 86 over the Supra. The execution is just superior in my eyes

[@Areku06]

I disagree, styling is very personal. Imo supra looks better, especially inside. But best part is 3.0 b58 engine is best engine for a car under $80k.

[@E9X330]

@@Areku06 m240i would like to have a word with you

[@alsayedfakhri4597]

@@E9X330 m240i is a competitor but it's much uglier, heavier and xdrive.

[@E9X330]

@@alsayedfakhri4597 how is it uglier ? It doesn't look like a blobfish like the Mk5 and isn't littered with rice fake vents

[@alsayedfakhri4597]

@@E9X330 it's headlights, grille and backend do not look good at all, and are even worse in person. The Supra looks every much the part though in person and looks brilliant with so many people complimenting it. The BM will ultimately blend in as another drab and bland BMW whereas the Supra sticks out and is different.

[@evanescent0311]

Even with sears up I got 4 tires in there with my GR86 … and I’m 6’3” … my kids hated riding around in the car and my wife didn’t like it though so I sold it. Fun car for sure but don’t expect to be fast on the track.

[@lorddoobsworth144]

should have sold your wife and kept this masterpiece instead... just friendly advice 🤣🤣

[@on_wheels_80]

I really do wonder how Toyota managed to give their 3, 4 and 6 cylinder sportscars exactly the same fake interior engine note.

[@ztunelover]

Completely irrelevant once you put a proper cat back or cat delete it :)

[@iloveACID]

Car regulations did that not Toyota

[@on_wheels_80]

@@iloveACID regs don't require the fake noise to sound that much like Gran Turismo 3. And all of them sound better when the system is turned off.

[@E9X330]

Because Toyota didn't make the car, bmw does

[@iloveACID]

@@E9X330 they made it using bmw part like a colab stop already

[@dirkvantroyen9170]

I'm in Belgium, I ordered one in June, it should be delivered in March '23. Looking forward!

[@the_space_mango2200]

love the design. bully and elegant at the same time

[@rotorblade9508]

Most cars have improved in term of materials , features and design and came up more expensive. We have Supra, Nissan z, and now for similar price range they will start to compete with Lotus emira or elise :)

[@rudymwaurah]

Wasn't even a fair comparison 🤣 just a love letter to a GR86

[@padraigomadain6681]

Supra GT and allowing room for improvement. GT86 looks cute, fun and nimble, and less harsh on the wallet.

[@AR_4Foglio]

Frankly, this vid wasn't really what I expected. About 3/4 of the vid he was just talking about the GR 86. This isn't a vs challenge here just a lot of talking while driving.

[@oRicardoHetfield]

Yape, this was a GR86 review that had a manual supra in it... disappointed...

[@MrPeteRR299]

can Toyota explain why it didn't equip this car with the yaris GR engine?

[@am0eba168]

Man the manual Zupra l is the best thing after the new Nissan Z

[@TerrannotOP]

It’s the A90 then the Z. Nissan got gapped hard on the streets of willow.

[@aroninpalingam8112]

have the GR86 and I love it, amazing car and definitley refined from the first gen 86

[@YuichiTamaki]

The fact that they didn't stuffed the interior with piano black is remarkable.

[@zokusharuuku1091]

Don’t understand how happy I am that Toyota has listened to the community and are making good fun cars again

[@zokusharuuku1091]

@Supra RCJPOP I was talking about the Yaris and Corolla

[@jordanw4056]

the mk4 supra was absolutely hated when it originally came out as well, the mk5 could be worth $100k in 20 years especially if people do some cool stuff with it

[@E9X330]

The Mk4 wasn't hated

[@Barbwire710]

It wasn’t hated, just most people couldn’t afford it (at least in the USA). Hence it didn’t sell well. The hype came from F&F etc.

[@jordanw4056]

@@E9X330 yes it was, it was $75k in todays dollars back in the 90s, everyone thought it was terrible for the price

[@jordanw4056]

@@Barbwire710 yea exactly, everyone hated it bc it was too expensive, now they can sell for $100k+. my only point was that the mk5 could have good depreciation especially if people do cool stuff with it

[@jordanw4056]

@@Barbwire710 smokey nagata and his supra runs got me interested in supras originally, for a lot of people it was the super gnarly projects/cars people were building based off mk4. it will take time for people to do cool shit with mk5

[@austinswaggerson]

if you aren't good/haven't spent much time drive manual. Is it worth to get this car manual to "learn" or should you just go automatic?

[@Briggsian]

Really wish they'd clean up some of the styling "vents" on the Supra. Even just the removing the vents on the doors would go a long way to cleaning up the design in my opinion.

[@rulesyaface]

Or make them functional

[@Briggsian]

@@rulesyaface or that

[@E9X330]

@@rulesyaface not possible

[@beaches2mountains230]

Yes !!! THOUGHT THE SAME...ITS NOT A MID ENGINE FOR GODS SAKE THEYRE USELESS!! WOULD LOOK ALOT CLEANER WITHOUT THEM AND MORE REMINISCENT OF THE 2JZ Supra's..Still wish it was a proper Toyo powerplant and chassis...Subaru and Toyo need to stay performance minded ESPECIALLY SINCE STUPID SUBARU CANCELLED NEW STI !!!!!!??

[@shanenaidu8292]

You sir are my favourite car reviewer! As a previous gen 1 owner of a highly modified gt86 I haven't been completely sold on the idea that this is worth the money but after watching your review- I want a gr86 😅

[@7ound]

i WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT MANUAL SUPRA. Would take it in automatioc too...Supra looks soooo god in person!!!.....that gr86 doesnt do it for me

[@jamesc8600]

20k more though?

[@7ound]

@@jamesc8600 not just 20k more but also comes with 2 more cylinders, better build quality....and it sounds good with small exhaust upgrades....that machine is awesome...get one if you can

[@9988amrit]

I dont mind my supra is auto. Everyone keeps whining. Manual sucks in traffic and isnt as fast as auto. No regrets after driving stick for 17 years

[@donstaramos]

I’m in the same boat rn. The manual is tempting tho!!!

[@gw4886]

Take the heels off, wear a comfy shoes....good to go with a manual. There are women out there who do it....stop complaining.

[@Bmontepeque11]

I love both of these cars, I don't even care about the Supra's BMWness, but to me the 86 is the superior car ❤️ I just think they compliment themselves, The Supra if you prefer numbers, 86 if you prefer feel (As it should be 🌚🔥)

[@RitchieBui]

How would you know the feel is better? You haven't driven either

[@Bmontepeque11]

@@RitchieBui Oh, I haven't but He said it in the video 😅 And modern BMWs have been known to offer less and less conection to the driver, where as the 86, from 10 years ago is famous for its feel and this is essentially a very heavily updated version of that car! :)

[@RitchieBui]

@@Bmontepeque11 At which timestamp? He didn't make a single comparison

[@Bmontepeque11]

@@RitchieBui From arround 10:00 to 10:40 he talks about the natural sense of balance, the driver involvement and the fun, he even says "If you want more punch go and have a Supra, it's more sorted out, but for me at 30k this is so much fun"

[@donstaramos]

I own a Supra and I’ve had a Miata. Give me the Supra all day

[@lucienpetrus6906]

That's why I simply luv Toyota from Cape Town South Africa

[@Racerx777]

Hammer vs scalpel. I'll take that perfect little scalpel.

[@liamholcroft7212]

Depends if you want to put a nail in the wall though. Cars have roles, and you out the wrong car in the wrong role and it will be no good.

[@liamholcroft7212]

@@Racerx777 A supra is a GT car and it good at it, a GR86 is a sports car and will be right at home on a windy road. Point is, the two cars are both sporty but they are not the same role, otherwise only one of them would exist.

[@liamholcroft7212]

@@Racerx777 I know the video is a comparison, I'm saying the two cars should not be compared because they are not the same kind of car. I would also take the gr86 as It best suits my driving style. And a GT car isn't for ego, it's for those that want to travel long miles in comfort, with the ability to also have fun, not as much fun as in a sports car but it's better than an SUV.

[@yizzer89]

I love my supra but my god is it annoying that the ECU in the 2021 and up are STILL locked. its a tuner car that you cant tune.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

You own a BMW kid ...

[@GNNPLAYER]

The new 86 looks like a mini viper at front and nsx at the back 😅

[@MafiaboysWorld]

"Will the real Toyota please stand up!" One is a BMW, the other is a Subaru, so the GR Yaris and GR Corolla siblings had to stand up instead. 😁👍

[@autonomousindividual7780]

Who can ignore a modern I-6. Problem is I've taken a 15-20% pay cut since everything got fixed and $60k just isn't in the cards. I could do it but I would resent it and be afraid to drive it properly.

[@Anthony-ji6ln]

I've got the auto 2022 3.0 - Its a freakin beast to drive... I use the shifter paddles when I want full control, which is enough for me to get it sideways and have real sports car fun. Not heavy or sluggish by any means, quite the opposite... Weird you think this one drives better or different just because its manual.

[@xxz1434]

And its funny how internet fanboys take his word as gospel then go on to parrot about it across the internet without ever even driving one lol

[@pavlospilakoutas]

Loved the correction while talking @ 3:34 👍👌

[@davidkelly2542]

The supra is apparently "heavy" what about the m2 comp? Bad journalism this

[@smithsfan425]

All these back handed compliments in this review. Essentially all I heard was “it has such and such, which ISNT as good as say such and such, but it’s not bad”

[@NZLion]

So how transplantable to the (IMO very pretty) Z4 is this manual transmission?

[@raidacaipo]

They will be coming out with the manual z4 3.0 liter engine soon as well.

[@tomwest241]

I loved my old GT86 and miss it even more seeing the new GR86 being thrown about but I’m not liking the styling compared to the old car. It’s much less aggressive looking and the rear just reminds me of an insignia.

[@AlexA-bx8jr]

100% disagree. The new GR86 is the best looking variant, facelift, etc so far. It's gorgeous.

[@tomkat492]

Almost every Gen 1 owner who has said this just hasn't seen a Gen 2 in person yet. Trust me, these cars are VERY striking when you actually see them live.