Toranaga Execute Hiromatsu - Buntaro Kills His Father | Shōgun Episode 8

[@uhltide3]

Imagine being so loyal and dedicated to the cause that you sacrifice yourself so your Lord's enemies believe his ruse. What a wingman

[@RM771000]

😆LOL I needed a laugh, Hiromatsu's my favorite character, has been since ep1, this was sooo sooo painful.

[@UndisputedMoss]

Factuals what a fckin sigma

[@tayduatrinhcoi]

Even crazier, he did it as an Improvisation. According to the episode podcast, Toranaga never meant for Hiromatsu to die but because other lords there were already about to pull their blades, he took it upon himself to seppuku to preserve Toranaga's commanders. Real crazy SOB.

[@Woozie87]

Best friends just hit different back in the feudal days lmao

[@uhltide3]

@@tayduatrinhcoi Yeah I had figures that much when Hiromatsu yelled at the other guys to shut up; then Toranaga turns to look back at Hiromatsu in a way you would think is anger, but on closer inspection there's a resignation on his face. There's so much subtext in what they say to one another to express their loyalty and care for each other after that. It's incredible.

[@paulheller2636]

This is beautiful dialog. It's 100% turned on its head when you understand the motivations of the characters. They are both performing publicly and talking inversely in a private manner. It's masterful.

[@bb_arcadia5752]

The look on toronaga''s face he desperately wants to stop his friend but he knows he cannot.

[@cylontoaster7660]

@@bb_arcadia5752 That part was the worst - he really didn't want his friend to die, but at that point they had fully committed to the matter. Hiromatsu's loyalty to his friend and lord was so great that he went through with it

[@Lach1234]

It's a shame it's a limited series. I'd watch 5-6 seasons of this dialogue. I'd also love to point out how great of a physical actor Hiroyuki Sanada is. His facial expressions tell SOO much.

[@paulheller2636]

​@cylontoaster7660 your vassal dies in vain! (If you dont stop your waffling and we end up in osaka.) He's set his mind against me.(I dont want him to do this, but he keeps pushing for it.) I will not yeild.(to osaka)

[@Yautah]

@@Lach1234 Sadly, it's probably because it's limited that it's so good, they can spend more time making sure everything is as it should be.

[@JGrimm52]

This scene was insane, This show needs to get all the Emmys holy shit

[@rubyrose49]

Wow! And you were right!

[@sakhemit]

19 Emmys

[@jojorockzzz1211]

Yeah, emmy for the dumbest plot for a drama ever written. Fuk the guy who wrote this man

[@lendial]

Shogun already cemeted its place as one of the best shows this decade

[@thebukojoeplays]

@user-mk6op4zd5i I have seen a lot of masterpieces but none has amazed me as this episode just did.

[@rollingthunder8223]

😂 nothing really happens

[@Shatamx]

@@rollingthunder8223 Let me guess. When Tony killed Ralph you thought nothing happened either right?

[@rollingthunder8223]

@@Shatamx this show is game of thrones after season 1 slow as hell

[@Christian-Roots818]

*this year !

[@deonaustin9575]

Hiromatsu knows Toranaga is grieving I'm glad he tells his own son don't give up on him.

[@Muschelschubs3r]

What? He basically told his son he was to suffer like Mariko did.

[@qtchan3641]

@@Muschelschubs3r you obviously do not understand a thing about this episode

[@shadi6484]

@@Muschelschubs3r Read the first comment again. they said Hiromatsu told his son not to give up on Toranaga because Hiromatsu knows that his friend is suffering. This has nothing to do with his reference to Mariko.

[@inthedeadhours]

​@shadi6484 Bud "you will know what it is to be denied" is 100% in reference to Buntaro not allowing Mariko to die.

[@inthedeadhours]

It's more than that. He's telling him to keep the faith as he knows Toranaga has a plan.

[@aprildj5684]

In an interview prior to the release of the film, Sanada said that the recommended the production team to have Tokuma Nishioka play the role of Hiromatsu. He alluded to this scene as the reason why he chose Nishioka. "There will be a scene in which Toranaga and Hiromatsu need to have a relationship in which they can understand each other without words, and understand everything just by looking at each other. In order to play out that scene, Hiromatsu absolutely had to be Nishioka-san". In fact, Sanada and Nishioka have been friends in private for 30 years and know each other well as actors. In Japan, this kind of relationship is called "A-Un no Kokyuu," a Buddhist term where A means the beginning and Un means the end, Kokyuu means Breath.

[@intuitivamkt]

Beginning breaths the end. So beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

[@thaaaatplace]

The showrunners of the Shogun also said that this scene between the two was done in one shot. True mastery.

[@dacbiet]

That’s a real bro

[@Astartes-6969]

Tokuma is such a great actor. He played Hiromatsu so well.

[@Kumire_921]

Definitely, i think his acting was the best in the whole show

[@rannierunsfast]

His portrayal was my idea of the perfect senior samurai. Such a badass

[@thenubbiker1712]

If he was a bit younger, he could play as sensei ishikawa if ever GoT gets a movie or a series.

[@JackMeoff46]

I love how human this scene is. There is no stoic bravery, only deep pain. Hiro Matsu was crying, Toranaga was crying, Omi, and even Buntaro were crying. There is no glory in war or death, only pain and loss.

[@Woozie87]

Yaba was just shook by the meeting lmao he was almost in disbelief at what he was witnessing,

[@Okayand33]

Inexorable hopelessness. This scene was heavy.

[@lcoopcooperl]

No stoic bravery? This scene is the perfect encapsulation of stoic bravery. Not a single word said, or tear shed between Hiromatsu and Toranaga. Two men devoted to their duties. THIS IS STOIC BRAVERY.

[@דביררותם]

@lcoopcooperl And Buntaro, who despite his pain, fulfills his duty to his father with terrifying professionalism, and remain loyal to his lord

[@lcoopcooperl]

​@@דביררותם Exactly

[@dane_vlogs]

Toranaga knows there is a "SPY", so the death of Hiromatsu would convince Ishido that Toranaga had really given up knowing that Hiromatsu had committed seppuku.

[@ヤナさんカナ]

true, some of the people don't understand this part

[@CRuZ_CoNTRoL.]

Even through all this, he trusted Mariko to reveal his plan. That was not clever. How does he know Mariko is not a spy?

[@vitaliyred622]

Both she and the "barbarian" (not such now) are the only 2 people he fully trust. ​@@CRuZ_CoNTRoL.

[@aryabaditz3967]

@@CRuZ_CoNTRoL. because he need "a part" for his plan, no matter ho secret it, he still need some 1 to do the part, but less people know it will work, Mariko maybe not even know his full part plan.

[@firstlast9846]

Yeah he literally says this at the end of the episode to Mariko

[@DocHalliday]

This scene is a masterpiece. It hit me like a punch to the gut.

[@projektkobra2247]

Not in the book or superior mini-series..only dank millennials think this is good in their nihilistic misery. I pity all of you.

[@Hydrocannon]

and a blade apparently.

[@npierce14]

Same bro same…..

[@adamurbacka3161]

Yeah I cried like a bitch

[@NativeTexMexican]

​@@adamurbacka3161 Good to know it wasn't just me.✌🏽

[@iyi553]

This is not just fantasy or fiction. As anyone who has studied Japan history knows, from the Kamakura period to the Edo period, it was common for vassals to protest with their own lives by committing suicide by seppuku in order to remonstrate for the wrong judgment of the lord. This is also a sign of loyalty from the vassal to the lord.

[@DistopiaKosaki]

But the crazy part is that it takes their whole lives to train and to waste it like that?

[@tayduatrinhcoi]

@@DistopiaKosakiSomeone like Hiromatsu would probably consider dying here by his own volition to protest his lord is better than marching to Osaka and surrender and die by Ishido.

[@iyi553]

if you want to know more about the relationship between the spirit of the samurai and seppuku in Japan after watching this scene, you can look up the "Incident de Sakai" that occurred in Osaka, Japan in 1868. If you come to Japan and research history, you will find many themes that are the subject of novels, movies, and dramas. If you have a genuine Bushido spirit and literary talent, you will become a famous novelist and screenwriter in the United States. What did the Japan samurai do here to avoid an all-out war between the Japan and French armies? What did the samurai of Japan show to the captain of the French warship? And you can see what the French army saw and fled from Japan in fear. Sacrificing oneself to protect one's own country is the spirit of the samurai of Japan, which later became KAMIKAZE.

[@R4Y2k]

@@DistopiaKosaki That's why, when they were running low on able samurai at some point, they explicitly forbit them from comitting sepukku :P

[@DistopiaKosaki]

@@R4Y2k thats exactly what happened at the end of the samurai, when they had a civil war

[@ferdieisla9799]

Hiroyuki Sanada and Tokuma Nishioka should get an Emmy for this, The face on Sanada at the end, no words his anguish of losing your most loyal friend, just pure facial expression

[@nandemoyanokayo]

Tokuma Nishioka is a veteran actor. He is an indispensable presence in period dramas. He gave an all-out performance. It was a time when I felt Ieyasu's wisdom, his deep thinking as a leader, his frightening ability, courage, and determination.

[@sora7171]

I am Japanese, but I was shocked by this scene and its meaning. I feel sad that our ancestors, the Samurai, are no longer in Japan.

[@guywithdacap4713]

@@sora7171 What would samurai culture look like today? They would be nationalistic militaristic imperialists. Japan had that after the fall of the samurai and it ended in beeing nuked twice and millions dead after a futile war. I personaly think Japan and the whole world is better off with modern society.

[@darikai219]

American Beaner here, this man made this dude cry in under 5 minutes. His performance outdid ERBODY in this series!!!!! HOT DAMN!!

[@Bully_who_made_goblin_Jr_cry]

@@guywithdacap4713 If Japan was not nationalistic and militaristic it would have been colnized by the western countries which are way more militaristic and crazy

[@tayduatrinhcoi]

@@guywithdacap4713 The wanton violence is gone but the honor culture is still strong. We regularly see Japanese companies leaders bowing in public to apologize and literal suicides after big mess up are not uncommon. Just a bit of an annecdote but I was in a group with a Japanese friend once and when she led us to the wrong way on a school trip, she kept apologizing for like 5 minutes.

[@willdiaz6050]

Sanada-sama is just such a fantastic actor. He conveys so much with so little. A tiny grimace or smirk tells you a lot about what he's thinking. Conversely, he inhabits that character so thoroughly that he knows when Toranaga would remain completely stoic. I bet Sanada-san would be a great poker player!

[@Giggly_Puff]

Over all the shows I’ve watched.. this one hit home. I literally FELT the atmosphere and how they presented a view on sacrifice and loyalty. I cried deeply. For there is no greater love than to lay down one’s own life for his friend.

[@AZRAEL9091]

"You will know what it is to be denied" Toda Hiromatsu really decided to take side in his son marriage

[@yiand3680]

Last love from a father to his son.

[@dorime3031]

who would father want a son to follow him in death, his conversation with toranaga already shows how he views needless deaths.

[@happyiskra7484]

He knows what's eating him up as strong as Buntaro may seem but his weakness is Mariko

[@beedt714]

Can you explain this little bit more? This is one part I did not understand..

[@jonothandoeser]

@@beedt714 Buntaro has denied death to his wife Mariko all of these years, although she requested to follow her own father in death (after his public disgrace).

[@KevinUchihaOG]

This is one of the best scenes i've seen in any media. Every actor in the secene in superb.

[@threeagainstfour]

This scene had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. The writing, acting, directing, editing, music, all of it was top simply incredible. One of the greatest scenes in any show I've ever watched.

[@barabas2960]

and the music was amazing

[@tasjan9190]

@@barabas2960 YES, what is it?!

[@BOPISbewitya]

"It’s amazing that the Japanese language doesn’t have any L’s in it, since Buntaro has been racking them up nonstop the past few episodes" -subreddit

[@willdiaz6050]

😆

[@RM771000]

(vOoO)> F*cking cold blooded, stone-hearted savages!!! LMAO

[@awesomearsam1890]

I've started reading the book, and man the dude's description of his looks by the author is just savage.

[@miscellaneous9506]

@@awesomearsam1890 What did the author say lol?

[@awesomearsam1890]

@@miscellaneous9506 "Buntaro-Mariko’s husband-a short, thickset, almost neckless man." In chapter 21 First time inrducing him, and in later chapters something along the lines " face like a monkey" or something, I forgot where I read it but I'm sure the word "monkey" was used to describe him

[@mpost3520]

all part of the plan. Despite Hiromatsu sacrificing himself, He knew what he signed up for.

[@poggamus4330]

Was toranaga's son dying part of the plan or an unfortunate accident that he had to maneuver around.

[@TESkyrimizer]

​@@poggamus4330 planned ofc! Toranaga put extra fish oil on Nagakado's sandals beforehand. It's all explained on the official podcast.

[@Charliestrife01]

@@TESkyrimizerthat sounds ridiculous.

[@rouged3392]

@@Charliestrife01 sarcasm

[@miscellaneous9506]

@@TESkyrimizer Lmfao this is gold

[@Lach1234]

Hiromatsu - "Buntaro, bring my sword and second me." Buntaro - "Pops, I'm REALLY not having a good week right now." 😩

[@brianbagnall3029]

I felt bad for Buntaro, despite being a drunkard and poor husband. When he tries to make peace with Mariko and she shuts him down, I felt his pain.

[@Eagle09-nv5xd]

@@brianbagnall3029I think the reason he drinks and is a bad husband is because of his wife, no I don’t think, I know.

[@chovue2363]

ill have to imagine that buntaro learns his lessons and gets a redeeming hero arc . otherwise, this character was written with nothing but tragedy and it makes me sad...😢

[@RobGordonJC]

@@Eagle09-nv5xd Nothing should drive a man to physically abuse his wife. How weak does one have to be to beat someone who is only a quarter of their size?

[@aimannorzahariwod]

@@Eagle09-nv5xd a man will never strike his wife. He got put in his place from his own weakness.

[@BillFinger27]

This is the first time in both Hollywood and Japanese media where I bawled my eyes out because of a seppuku scene.

[@wizardpig02]

I even had this event spoiled and I was weeping when I watched the scene all the way through.

[@jaadu1-y1v]

Brilliant acting by the casts of this show. You can see the rage that was flaming inside the Toranaga when his close friend commits seppuku. Love this show so much. Gonna feel sad when this miniseries is finished.

[@jcarry5214]

I was counting on the nephew to blow out, I think Toranaga was too then was like AW FUCK when the old man figured it out and stepped in when nobody else did.

[@InnaSpace777]

​@@jcarry5214now I get it. Wooooow.. that makes this scene legendary.

[@jonathanbuxton-carr3350]

The acting in this piece is sublime, Japan is giving us a clinic as this is one of the best acted shows I've ever seen. The amount of emotion each actor shows, especially the non-verbal acting when the camera is on their faces, is extremely well done. Sanada looks like he's experiencing 1000 emotions at the same time when Hiromatsu commits seppuku, Buntaro even more. Even Omi and the brief shot of Yabushige shows that they are extremely upset and conflicted during this scene, and that is extremely difficult to convey without speaking. Just a brilliant scene in a brilliant series, this show absolutely deserves every accolade that it is receiving.

[@FadeGang]

The Acting in this scene is Phenomenal, I hope they win an award for this show because they definitely deserve it. I have been silently following Hiroyuki Sanada's performances for years and I think this might be some of his best work yet, Unbelievable acting skills.

[@thaaaatplace]

Sanada san is truly a marvel of an actor. He is so versatile. I’ve been a fan for years and I couldn’t wait to see him in this role. I can’t believe he’s 63 and still doing action movies!

[@FadeGang]

​@thaaaatplace It makes two of us! He's signed on for another season so we have more great moments I'm sure to come. I look forward to it 😊

[@guest-cd7md]

The way this scene conveys emotion through every passing second was beautiful

[@corruptangel6793]

Toranaga stares directly at Hiromatsu: "I will not yield." Hiromatsu: "Lord Toranaga... then this is farewell. Forgive me." I absolutely love this scene. I like to imagine the "forgive me" had so many meanings. Not being able to die with Toranaga for one. Not being able to see his ultimate victory, and for causing Toranaga so much pain with his death being a few others. The actors did an absolutely phenomenal job.

[@Nitroking10101]

"Lord Toronaga...then this is farewell." Heartbreaking words. Such a powerful scene from an amazing show.

[@牧野美和-m8e]

It's sadder in Japanese.

[@joaquinxy]

That one time in your life, you got to honor your father's final advise..

[@oliverking2]

100%

[@iyi553]

I would like to answer the question, "Hiromatsu never had a meeting with Toranaga, but did he read Toranaga's true intentions and even throw away his own life on the playacting set up by Toranaga?" As a prerequisite, I would like you to recall that the plenary meeting was a mixture of vassals loyal to Toranaga and enemy spies who were in touch with Ishido behind the scenes. Therefore, Toranaga could not tell his vassals the real plan in that place, and he had to deceive Shidou's spies first. There is a proverb that Japanese people have used frequently since ancient times. It's "in fooling the enemy first deceive your allies." Toranaga's actions are based on this theory. The answer to the question of why Hiromatsu was able to read Toranaga's true intentions without having a single prior meeting with Toranaga, is also hinted at by a proverb that Japanese people have often used since ancient times. "The eyes say more than the mouth." Japanese people can see through the eyes of others their true intentions. However, Shohei Ohtani seems to have become Americanized in the course of his many years of living in the United States, and has lost the ability to see through Ippei Mizuhara's true intentions. lol Anyway, the reason why the shooting camera focused so much on the "eyes" of Hiromatsu and Toranaga in that scene was to allow the viewer to perceive the "Breathing of Aun" that goes back and forth like a telepathic exchange between Hiromatsu and Toranaga, who were long-time friends. And finally, the answer to the question, "Even if Hiromatsu wanted to make Toranaga's playacting realistic because he could read Toranaga's true intentions, why did Hiromatsu lay down his life in that place?" is found in a proverb that Japanese people have often used since ancient times. It's "the Bushido is worth dying for." This is not exactly a proverb, but rather a part of a passage written in the middle of the Edo period by a samurai named Tsunemoto Yamamoto who discussed how to live as a samurai. I want you to look up the book "Hagakure". In other words, the samurai way of life is always in search of a place to die that is effective for one's lord (sometimes one's country) and one's protector (sometimes one's own clan or one's business associates), and which is also the most honorable for oneself. It would be a shame for them for a samurai to die peacefully in a sick bed. And the place for an honorable death can sometimes be on a large battlefield, and sometimes on the stage of a playacting performed by the lord (to deceive enemy spies). The samurai is always looking for a place to die that will be beneficial to his master. If you learn the meaning of these three proverbs from the history of Japan, you will be able to understand the flow of "Hiromatsu's seppuku" in episode 8 very easily.

[@mediocratus7015]

Thank you for taking the time and care to explain this. Very much appreciated.

[@pon7798]

Hello! I am Japanese. I use a translator. Let me add something. I believe that seppuku in this case is not for the sake of honor. 1. to deceive spies. (I agree with your consideration here.) 2. to quell the vassals who might be inundated, and to allow Toranaga to carry out his true plan. 1. is an outward role, including Ishidou. 2. has an inward role. The vassals, except for Hiromatsu, do not understand the true intentions of Toranaga. Therefore, dissatisfaction is building up. If the dissatisfied vassals continue to speak out against Tranaga, he will have to order the vassals to commit seppuku (ritual suicide) for defying him. Tranaga does not really want to do this, but it would be a disservice to the other vassals if he does not. Tranaga's strategy was probably to catch Osaka off guard. However, it would be a great loss for the camp to lose so many of its vassals who were in command before the battle. Therefore, Hiromatsu thought that it would be most effective to calm the vassals by committing seppuku himself now. Hiromatsu is an elder man who is respected by all. Tranaga did not change his mind even though Hiromatsu, the most important person in the family, gave his opinion. This means that this will never be reversed no matter who else commits seppuku. Hiromatsu made this fact known to the other vassals. In fact, there was a scene where another vassal tried to draw his sword. Immediately after that, Hiromatsu raised his voice. He weighed his own life against the lives of several vassals who would fight for the Tranaga camp in the future, as well as the lives of his own clan, and made a rational decision. Looking ahead to future battles, if the Tranaga camp's plan worked, victory would save his vassals, friends, and family. So now, he was willing to sacrifice his own life for the sake of those important people. That is what it means to "serve the cause. Tranaga immediately understood Hiromatsu's true intentions and did not stop him from committing seppuku. Tranaga was not allowed to die. Many of his vassals might die on his own. He must somehow win the battle. Hiromatsu understands such a mind of Tono. Therefore, he moves rationally for victory. Forcing a large number of vassals to commit seppuku now would be a great loss for the future. This is a critical stage. Tranaga respects the loyalty and true intentions of Hiromatsu and silently observes his choice. Tranaga and Hiromatsu have the same goal. That is why, in the end, he vows that he will never let Hiromatsu's sacrifice be in vain. He entrusts his "victory" to Toranaga.

[@CODE_GEASS_2010]

@@pon7798 As a japanese, I think you are right . I wrote my understanding in the upper comment row. it is as same as yours.

[@jeanthemachine007]

COOK BROTHER, SPIT YO SHIT INDEED 🔥

[@jessie-xj8kp]

Shohei caught a stray 😂 but thank you for the explanation

[@777Justin]

I speak Japanese fluently and the way he told Buntaro “don’t give up on Toranaga even if it LOOKS like he’s given up on himself” suggests to me that Hiromatsu knew his plan all along. He emphasized “miete mo jya” so I think that’s a clue he knew the plan.

[@XaldinX]

Can you break this down a little bit more

[@Lach1234]

​@@XaldinXHiromatsu's suicide was improvised to convince the other Lord's in Osaka that Toranaga was officially broken. When word got to Ishido that Toranaga's oldest and longest serving vassal committed seppuku in "defiance" of surrendering, he assumes Toranaga's spirit is destroyed.

[@brandonday2494]

@@Lach1234 Yeah just the intensity of the looks they shared to me confirmed that. Hiromatsu was never deceived. He knew exactly what he was doing in service to Toranaga's plans.

[@XaldinX]

@@Lach1234 i was talking about the words used lol since u spoke japanese not the overall scene

[@gerrittlighthart]

​@@XaldinX the way he delivers the line "Even when it appears he has given up on himself." emphasizes part of the sentence that makes it sound more like "Do not give up on our lord, even when it APPEARS that he has given up on himself." He's trying to make sure Buntaro understands that this is part of a larger plan.

[@mbcobalt348]

If you watch closely in this scene, you can clearly see in their eyes that they knew "its time for the ultimate deception" and toronaga's acting tough but deep inside all emotions wants his eyes to burst into tears " farewell my friend ty for your sacrifice youre my closest friend and ally this is the only way, say hello to my son "

[@feelingthislife]

This was one of the best episodes of TV ever made if you ask me

[@duyvopham8519]

“Do you smash a knife before a battle?” - Muad’Dib asks calmly

[@rockyroadmagic4152]

You do, if it makes the enemy think you are unarmed, right before you pull out a glock

[@mr.q337]

Thy shall not need a knife, once thy have a glock behind your back" - Tsun Zu probably =)))

[@lopezalehandro1666]

This knife struck true and deep. Smashed? not at all.

[@SuperAkashAgarwal]

The eye contact between Hiromatsu and Toranaga, and the pain in Toranaga's eyes as he sees his most loyal friend performing his duty one last time for the shared cause. Man, this is where acting peaked!

[@mechanicgamera4230]

reading all these comments and no one understands that the seppuku was done to make Osaka believe they surrendered ?

[@sib1982]

all their chances hang from a thread, that the enemy belives Toranaga gave up and lower their guard. That's why he allowed his liflong friend to die. Mariko will play her part later, in part for deception, in part to change some daymio allegeances.

[@CaelanCromwell]

you guys also don't realized that Toranaga's half brother is also part of this plan. The fake surrender of Toranaga will make osaka defences open. ;)

[@Aih1616]

I think most understood not sure which comments you referring

[@reee9287]

I haven't seen a lot of people confused. Not that difficult to see and they also indicated this in the show at the end.

[@mcronrn]

Everyone is confused; no one understands

[@zinthe2674]

Sanada's acting is crazy here. The way Toranaga is all "Do it then" and putting on the act that he's distant and broken but him visibly almost breaking down and wanting more than anything to tell him not to commit seppuku is so powerful.

[@philippebrown342]

"You will know what is is to be denied" reference to Mariko

[@mamorintan]

she has strong selfpity.

[@rouged3392]

I didnt understand the meaning of those words can you please explain

[@derekrulez390527]

Buntaro refused Marikos request to die due to what happened to her family. Buntaro dad is saying now I'm gonna do to you what you did to your wife and deny you your death and force you to live like you did to your wife.

[@jwainer4397]

@@derekrulez390527 Thank you!

[@InnaSpace777]

​@derekrulez390527 but why . Wouldn't that be messed up

[@amjathkhan2004]

The way Hiromatsu says it's between him and Toranaga, Toranaga telling him to do seppuku and die, and Ishido laughing later when he hears about Hiromatsu's death-they're all linked. Hiromatsu shows his loyalty to his lord without even speaking. He's a true hero'matsu.

[@Drifter101z]

The Best Series since Games of Thrones. . .The Plot and Storytelling is IMPECABLE. . .

[@jb-xc4oh]

Game of Thrones is just not in the same league as this series.

[@erickanguiano8142]

Game of thrones is no where close to this not even a little

[@notevencalm]

How about Breaking Bad?

[@mypov9790]

I cant finish this clip, it breaks my heart! The acting was so intense and realistic...

[@bb_arcadia5752]

For me what makes it hard to watch is not when he commits seppuku but the look on their faces as they say farewell.

[@mypov9790]

@@bb_arcadia5752 I couldn't agree more

[@Drifter101z]

A plan within a plan. . . Layers of Trickery - - Toronaga is 3 moves ahead of his enemies.

[@jb-xc4oh]

This is a common theme in Asian movies and society. They really like to mind f**k each other in the extreme.

[@sergenicolastampos3177]

Respect for Hiromatsu watching this scene really breaks my heart Your death will not be in vain hiromatsu -sama😢😭😤

[@joshcook5434]

Toranagas actor better win an award for his performance.

[@sagargurung395]

every actors should get and award , hiromatsu was phinomenol in this episode and so did buntaro

[@TeacherTaj]

Oh God, I love my dad. I have tears in my eyes, imagining my father trusting his own convictions, and trusting me enough, to second him. And my father would deny me also, knowing I have a path of my own to follow. And being taught denial by my own father as Buntaro was - I could bear it from no one else. There is sadness, but love and honor in this scene.

[@Gomennachai]

今生のお別れにございまする。って所の虎長との目線の会話で涙腺崩壊したわ。 確かにこの時代、虎長の右腕が切腹。くらいの事しないと大阪に油断はしてもらえないだろうね。

[@yiand3680]

この目線の会話、海外の方にも伝わってる人とそうでない人がいるみたいだけど。 それほど複雑で上手過ぎる表現なんですよね。でもちゃんと伝わっている人には伝わってる。すごい時代ですよ。

[@suyarin_cho]

同じくです！文太郎に言い聞かせている所もぐっと来た。簡単に死ぬことを許されない頂点に立つ虎永が背負っている物の重さと意味、そういう人を今後支えていく者としての心構え。文太郎の「父上」にこもった凄い愛情。こんな日本的なシーンをハリウッドで撮れたことに驚きです。

[@木村典子-v6e]

真田さんの20年に渡るハリウッドでの忍耐、努力、そしてハリウッドへの貢献があってこその「将軍」だったと思います🙏❇️❇️ エグゼクティブ・プロデューサーのジャスティン氏の言葉に表れておりますね🙏❇️

[@mamazockt]

🤔I think I have to reread the book again, as much as I remember, Hiromatsu came to mind that Toranaga likes to act in stage theater himself and what a great actor he is. So in the ends Hiromatsu knows that it’s all just played by Toranaga and he has no intention to give up. Toranaga couldn’t tell anyone about his true plans because the others aren’t such good actors as him.

[@WeyounSix]

For people who may have misinterpreted this scene: Toranaga and Hiromatsu both can tell that Yabushige is playing both sides. This is a massive risk to allow, but they cannot just kill him. What they need, is to remove Yabushige from their ranks, or force him to fully commit. If Yabushige tells Ishido Toranaga is not planning to surrender, then it's ALL over. Toranaga NEEDS Yabushige to tell Ishido and the others that he has truly surrendered, without a doubt. We saw when John Blackthorn went to Yabu that Yabu still did not believe Toranaga was truly going to surrender. This could not be the case, this must change for their plan to work. Yabushige HAS to believe Toranaga is truly surrendering. The only way that Hiromatsu saw that he could do this, was by publicly disobeying his lord, putting himself to the sword. It was a statement to Yabushige, that if you are not willing to die for Toranaga right now, that you are not truly loyal. Even at this point Hiromatsu was not certain that Toranaga was actually surrendering, he stated many times that he truly did not know. This move by him was to give Toranaga a chance to finally best Yabushige and Ishido. When they say "Osaka needs to beleive" what they really mean is, Yabushige and Ishido need to truly believe he is surrendering. Both men know that Hiromatsu is Toranaga's oldest friend and ally, and Hiromatsu knew that the ONLY thing that would make Yabushige finally run away, was certain death. If Toranaga surrenders, they are all put to the sword, even Yabushige. Yabushige does not want this, he is only staying allied to Toranaga because he has to legally, and he doesn't want to be executed for disobedience. Yabushige's only goal here is to not die and to get land at the end of it all, he doesn't care about loyalty. The move was to convince Yabushige more than anybody else. That is why Mariko is present when John Blackthorn visits Yabishige, so she can report back to Toranaga what is happening, Yabushige knows this, which is the only reason he refused John Blackthorn's allegiance.

[@lakerspackers11]

I disagree. I think the demonstration was for the sake of an Ishido spy located in Toranaga’s ranks. Because at the end of the episode, Mariko apparently updates Yabushige on Toranaga’s plans anyway….

[@jeffinaportal-wq7ib]

@@lakerspackers11i think both you and the commenter are right this was to convince yabushige amd the spy

[@saidtoshimaru1832]

The best is Yabushige's 3:37 "What the f**k" face.

[@verdebusterAP]

Hiromatsu is a man's man

[@ricardoabrahams8243]

Expecting your son to second you/cut of your head, is asking too much of any son... no son should have to carry that burden and still be requested to continue following his lord... wow what an episode...I honestly, admire Buntaro more and more!

[@PBurns-ng3gw]

Doesn't excuse him beating his wife. But yeah, would not want to be that dude.

[@poggamus4330]

He knows now what mariko feels.

[@rouged3392]

@@PBurns-ng3gw he actually loves her, but certain circumstances led him to change. it's in this episode too, I think they fleshed out their relationship pretty well

[@larryclevelandUSMC]

Buntaro is becoming one of my favorites for sure. Damn…This episode was masterful!😢

[@eodyn7]

@@rouged3392Doesn't matter if he "loves" her, Buntaro is a horrible human being.

[@jackphimu]

Hiromatsu know his old friend too well. My respect for him. This is all part of the Crimson Night.

[@safuwanfauzi5014]

not night sky

[@Cycymore14]

Crimson sky

[@skeletoor5047]

@@Cycymore14crimson horseshit

[@mikea8225]

The soundtrack made everything 10x better

[@tasjan9190]

What is it called?! Please do you know?

[@lopezalehandro1666]

@@tasjan9190 "Dream within a dream" very appropriate title. Anytime one is trapped in dreams within dreams it is a nightmare.

[@visanazatravel]

Buntaro is what you get when you max lvl Strength, Bravery, Badassery, Loyalty, but miss out on Rizz. He never got the girl to love her back.

[@vedymin1]

"A man can have anything...if he's willing to sacrifice"- Valkorion 😎

[@RecklessFables]

As long as he's sacrificing the lives of others, eh?

[@vedymin1]

@@RecklessFables Just like him 😇

[@paqap]

Man, I have watched so many shows in my life, many of which have made me emotional but something about this one really broke me, brought me to real tears. The looks Hiromatsu and Toranaga share, being the only two people who truly know what's going on. Buntaro, despite his major flaws, having to go through the death of his own father with the aid of his own hands. Despite this being a larger play, this pains Hiromatsu, the pain and sorrow in his eyes is palpable, as well as those of Toronaga. The restraint that these men had to show during this time is crazy.

[@masterludovicus802]

The detail I love the most about this scene is Toranaga moving himself to have his whole body facing Hiromatsu as he is preparing, and then performing, seppuku. It's like an acknowledgment of what's happening and also having the bravery to face what was happening

[@vangmx]

One of the greatest scenes in the entire series. I have been watching Japanese films my entire life. And I’ve lost count how many times I have to look away when seppuku is performed. And respects to SHOGUN for not sugar coating it. What an awesome series.

[@zaidanahnaf9431]

Damn, it's rare to see such a graphic seppuku scene. Most movies would just shy away from the actual gutting and beheading.

[@左近-u8i]

Konjōnowakareとは、この世ではもう二度と会えないだろうという別れ。泣けるシーンでした。

[@Shadowdragon_TV]

This easily became one of the greatest shows I've ever watched. What made this scene so great wasn't just the acting, but the fact that most people expected this to be a ploy, a game of chicken, so the way it ended was both heartbreaking and shocking. I've watched others react to it and you see many say "Why do that?" "It's so stupid" "What is this?". It's a lack of understanding regarding the severity of Japanese culture back then. Seppuku wasn't just self-deletion as its seen today, its an honorable end.

[@John_Smith2302]

Loyal to the end. The ultimate sacrifice to ones lord.

[@harrisonjohn9142]

Subtle how Hiromatsu stops the other vassals from digging a hole for themselves by saying, “This is between me and my oldest friend.” Knowing now that Hiro was aware of the ruse and his role, this scene becomes so much richer with all the subtext involved.

[@johnmenendez6035]

Great episode ..caught myself rewinding tonsee the same scene over and over...Epic!!

[@farishd7549]

The most powerful scene in the show and my favorite.The acting and dialogue in this scene are truly amazing.

[@evillink1]

This show is leagues above anything on TV. They built up to this so perfectly.

[@AntiAlgorithm-jd9lb]

Finally saw episode 8 last night. I was saddened by this scene because I loved this old man. Such an incredible actor.

[@mega00david00]

Every actor in this scene did an exceptional job

[@yoruneko34]

The slow swelling of the music also masterfull. Amazing work on the OST

[@tasjan9190]

What is it called? Please do you know?

[@starhalv2427]

In that last moment you can see Toranaga is barely holding back his tears. Just like me

[@CaloyEdits]

The way the body collapses when the head was cut is so accurataly real. Love this scene too many layers❤❤

[@CrispyChristieMAC]

Buntaro was a fantastic character. People see him as an abusive husband, but he was simply a man of his times. He was unwaveringly loyal, and the idea that his wife would have a father so dishonorable as to kill his own lord was a stain he could never wash off her or himself, not knowing what to do with that he resorted to keeping her alive every year as punishment for her fathers disloyalty, but from the books and the movie he mostly kept to himself and no matter her posture towards him was relatively peaceful at home. The scene from the show is the result of years of resentment between the couple that boiled over into his suspicion of her liking towards Anjin which further boiled over with the severe amount of drinking that they did. Only those not in these characters shoes would image themselves as Blackthorne and not Buntaro, which I think is a mistake. Even in the end, even seconding his own father, even seeing his father protest his own lord, he never once betrayed his faith or loyalty. I felt the most for Buntaro here.

[@mistermorphescarnoe2898]

Can we give props to the music? "A Dream Within a Dream" made this one of the most intense moments in the whole show

[@ellisnguyentrenh6529]

There was a moment when Toranaga subtly twitched his face a bit and immediately Hitomatsu understood that he was acting and played along. That was freaking Brilliant

[@alc4117]

Hiroyuki should’ve been getting major roles like this his whole career. He’s always been the scene stealer side character but barely leads a project and when he does it’s fucking glorious. The emotions bleeding through his face as he’s trying not to overreact to his friend’s suicide was impeccable.

[@asafchen1111]

What a performance! Nishioka really used his head acting out this gut-wrenching scene.

[@nagonago210]

I am a descendant of samurai from the Satsuma domain, but I often marvel at how resilient my ancestors were. Watching this footage made my stomach churn.

[@devanshudwivedi5875]

Has the sword and armour been passed on to you?

[@nagonago210]

@@devanshudwivedi5875 My great-grandfather donated the sword to the museum a long time ago. The only proof that my ancestor was a samurai is the family tree kept at the shrine.

[@kratosgow721]

@@nagonago210 Are you a Shimazu descendant ?

[@bryanferguson4927]

Epic. Beyond epic. Best thing on television, perhaps ever.

[@prtube1]

What a scene this is, so tense, so controlled, so bad ass. I watched the old series when young and It has been one of my favorites. I was so happy to learn about the new one coming and and I knew it would be masterpiece as soon as I saw the actors involved.

[@meekcheeks]

This show is truly special. I was captivated through out the whole series. I haven't felt like this during a show or movie in like forever

[@Windir2112]

This scene confirmed for me that Sanada is one of the greatest living actors

[@untrainedear]

Phenomenal, unforgettable scene. Amongst many other things, shoutout to the utterly perfect sound design and music.

[@左近-u8i]

ハリウッドと日本のスタッフによる渾身のシーンだと感じます。

[@j.robertvillarreal5926]

It is not the warrior who slays the most enemies that is most valuable. It is the one who is ready and willing to die for the cause. Yamamoto Sunatomo. Hagakure

[@noyj91]

This scene is already legendary. The look on their faces. The dialog. The screenplay.

[@MyChocow]

Buntaro is probably my favorite characters in this series, heroically loyalists at its finest...i feel he captured the true rare glimpse essence of an samurai.

[@Roninonymous]

I read _Hagakure_ after watching this series and lemme tell ya…the most revered retainers truly had no hesitation in committing seppuku. The level of resolve they possessed is truly inspiring… and also crazy af.

[@mn.2157]

とんでもない迫力だ…見てて辛い

[@Ozzie-OH-OH]

Amazing acting by that lord guy. In reality he was heartbroken that his friend was ending his life and DID NOT want to see him go but knew that it was necessary to trick all the other lords. And that’s basically exactly how he portrays his feelings in this.

[@DadbrosGarage]

This had me crying in front of my daughter, who also was crying

[@ShowTheOreo]

2:55 that little nod from Toranaga to say thanks and goodbye

[@maddiejung974]

Media literacy is so low right now because so many people misinterpreted this scene, hiromatsu did this because he realised toranga's plan and this sacrifice is necessary.

[@erickanguiano8142]

It’s part of crimson sky he knew what the plan is and played it to perfection

[@awesomearsam1890]

It fascinates me because in the next scene Toronaga literally spells it out I myself noticed something was off when Toronaga blinked to Hiromatsu before committing Seppuku

[@RecklessFables]

We live in a world full of clips with no context.

[@Remitonov]

@@awesomearsam1890 He knew Hiromatsu is sacrificing himself to help him trick Ishido into letting his guard down, but it's still no less painful for him.

[@AE-ix2iz]

What an intense scene! Bravo to everyone involved RIPower Hiromatsu 😢 💔

[@AhhhMiguel]

*This part so hard to watch. Imagine your closest aide, ally and best friend dying to fool your enemies and having them to believe that you have no plan while all this was part of the plan.*

[@Randomvids369]

Whos here after 18 emmy wins?

[@isnanmauri4585]

Me🎉

[@Tamashi656]

it was raining as hell when i was watching this scene, peak performance bravo for all actors,

[@jodierehbein8721]

You can even see in Toranaga’s eyes like he’s saying “ I really don’t want you to do this but we can’t let them know it was part of the plan”

[@Plasticsoul345]

これはね、NHKの大河ドラマを制作している人達にもかなりの影響を与えるんじゃないかな、　と言うか衝撃だよこの映像は 時代劇映画やテレビが好きな自分でもここまで凄い作品は見たことないよ、　まさかハリウッドで日本の戦国時代をテーマにした完璧な作品が作られるとは夢にも思わなんだよ マジNHKこれからどうすんだろうね。　　真田さん、本当にありがとう

[@てつをかんはち]

昨今は正月恒例だった忠臣蔵が放送されなくなって久しいけど、BPOに配慮した番組作りか、これほど見事な切腹が見られなくなったのは残念ですね。

[@suika197]

テレビは今、こういう残酷なシーンを排除したんですよ。 クレームがあるし、スポンサーからのお叱りがあるし炎上するし、NHKが、R指定に出来ないし、 ここまで、映像クオリティにお金もかけられないですし。 一般視聴者向けや、視聴率には、若い俳優を使わざるを得ないから、こんな素晴らしい貫禄ある名演技は日本のテレビでは見ることはできない。 最後にNHKで名演技を見たのは蝮の道山を演じた、本木雅弘だったと思う。

[@AstroSully]

Their eyes tell the truth. Hitomatsu didn’t have to verbally converse with Toranaga to understand what he has to do. Incredible acting and writing.

[@tatatani]

待って…たった4分で泣いた😭

[@BigTendy]

Hiroyuki Sanada secured his Emmy in this scene.