Tories could 'go up in flames' after Lee Anderson defects to Reform | How To Win An Election

“Parts of the Tory Party are definitely asking whether they belong together.”
Lee Anderson’s defection to Reform UK is “a symbol of something quite big” as fighting factions within the Conservatives threaten to tear the party apart.
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[@timfox8957]

Smug centrists, of the left and the right, flattering each other's egos, while the country gets more and more angry and despising of these types for failing them.

[@storm21410]

Hmmmm so not extreme right wing economics from Truss or extreme left wing non-interventionism from Corbyn?

[@Th3_Gael]

​@@storm21410truss was hardly extreme

[@storm21410]

@@Th3_Gael I take it you haven't seen your mortgage rates jump by £400 a month? I wonder who caused that...

[@Th3_Gael]

@@storm21410 the dude that's in charge now did, when they let him loose with the money printer during the covid response

[@AutisticCumsock]

​@Th3_Gael you've actually dodged the point, she wanted to implement massive tax cuts whilst not cutting spending, therefore increasing the deficit substantially, which the market responded to very negatively. This tax cut was initially reacted to by the right wing press as a "true tory budget", its laughable 😂

[@user-lv4pf5jg8b]

Have you ever considered what the population of this country think and want for their families future

[@willduffay2207]

Let's get a general election and find out, eh? When Labour wins will you concede that the toxic far right does not represent the country?

[@jimthompson9370]

While politicians appear to do the right thing, country is going down the tubes. We need a change.

[@mattwright2964]

Genuine point, we don't need "change", we need thoughtful long term evidence based policy. The Tories talked about change when they wanted to get in, the Brexit party prescribed change etc. What we need is grown up policies by grown up thoughtful people.

[@goldeneagle99]

We need the right movement! Go right!

[@willduffay2207]

@@mattwright2964 Intelligence wasted on KZbin, but I completely agree. Tory policy is mostly driven by instinct, belief, prejudice, and in reaction to isolated cases, coupled with doing what the party's wealthy benefactors demand. Very rarely, if at all, do the Tories actually think holistically, long-term, and using empirical evidence.

[@jmmypaddy]

@@goldeneagle99no

[@djripsmusic]

These pundits either have no idea what's going on or are too scared to speak the truth.

[@lobintool]

Too true! They don't have clue what is going on at the "coalface"! They don't want to know either!

[@20121961]

It's the parties that have moved to the left, not Lee Anderson, who has remained true to his beliefs. He therefore gets my respect, and vote.

[@sgwh2002]

To correct Polly, The Nights who say Ni! didn’t lose any limbs, they wanted a shrubbery. The Black Knight had the flesh wounds.

[@timbeaton5045]

They also wanted a second shrubbery... just over there to give a nice split-level effect.

[@feekygucker2678]

@@timbeaton5045 ...with a little path

[@feekygucker2678]

thank you... i just came here to offer the same correction

[@nickdoughty518]

@@feekygucker2678me too. How sad. You MUST NOT get your Monty Python facts wrong.

[@rorylyons1091]

Alright then clever trousers "WHAT is the air speed velocity of a unladened Swallow"

[@neworleans75]

Peter Madelson's wisdom, "oophhh, that Churchill was a bit tubby" he gets paid for this catty tripe

[@Tzhz]

It's not defecting if you live under 2 parties that don't represent the majority.

[@susannemac2800]

It's not defecting when your values have not changed and your party refuses to do what they were voted in to do. British conservatives want representation, it's been way to long.

[@James-mb3je]

How is it not bribery? Is there anyone who "crossed the floor" that is not now a lord?

[@glynscothern5569]

Working class M P. Not a high School TOFF.

[@susannemac2800]

If this is reflective of the information MP's are consuming no wonder the country has collapsed. How out of touch can you be? Britain has had enough of the Bankers Uniparty - we want representation and a country that works for our benefit.

[@yeondahonda7587]

Dodgy madleson

[@beckscoach]

Pressed play by accident. 30 seconds I'll never get back.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Rupert Murdock’s Times Radio comedy show not.

[@aleccap5946]

I could not give a toss what party goes up, equally are as bad for getting this country into the mess its in. What good is a government that no longer cares about its people ?

[@matthewbaker2573]

we've had it pretty easy under the Tories with the Bank of England interest rate being kept below 2% for over a decade prior to covid, below 1% for parts of that. November 2008 was a RECORD LOW at 3%. Before that, anything below 5% was deemed a good year as it was over 7% for the whole of 1998 and was in double figures for 3 solid years between 88-91 if you think inflation has been bad the last couple of years, you are in for a serious shock when the power shifts

[@dalegribble9101]

@@matthewbaker2573 The LabCon uniparty have both overseen 25 years of mass unfiltered immigration to the tune of half a million per year. It has ruined this country. It matters not which puppet gets in power when they are all traitors owned by the WEF.

[@TheDuckAndRogerTheHorse]

How much care Polly Mackenzie avoided calling Lee Anderson a fascist. Fascists don't care which side of politics they're on. It's all a means to an end. Their personal power.

[@robocop3961]

And that’s the exact reason why I will not be voting for reform!

[@ChristineMurphy-gs2fc]

The Conservatives thought they could put anyone that was chosen by a few as the voice of a few in that they put RS in as Prime Minister unelected by the people, they should now have learned a very hard lesson. What the people think and the people want really does matter. There have been a few nameless bodies who thought they could ride rough shod over the British people using RS as the front man. How wrong can they be and are now finding out.

[@Wemdave]

We live in a pendulum society when we swing too far the momentum goes the other way.

[@_HeathenChemistry_]

Ha Darth Mandelson. Not seen him for a while

[@goldeneagle99]

Darth! 😂

[@_HeathenChemistry_]

@@goldeneagle99 hahahaha he's definitely a member of the sith 💯% 😂😂😂

[@fireman3857]

If you're not far right, then you're dead wrong

[@jackspring7709]

lol - one of the architects of the country's current situation is brought in to comment on the other bunch, while the Times laps it up as if its a sports sports event. This is nothing but a game to them.

[@C.T.ZEN.CAR.]

IRAQ WAR …. Enough said about this chap

[@johnburrows3385]

An invaision that was universally supported by the Tory party.

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@johnburrows3385 due to the lies told about WMDs being there !

[@tonyaustin4472]

It’s all about Lee Anderson looking after Lee Anderson….he’s on record saying that whatever happens he’s going to keep on being an MP. It’s a straightforward political decision to put his career first. Enough said :-)

[@aclark903]

Nah, Dishi Rishi & Cameron are blue liberals, Reform is where the actual conservatives are now.

[@DrLogical987]

The closing discussion about Hard Hats typifies the poverty of political analysis; which concentrates on people and their ideas. Hard Hats were not usual nor obligatory in most work places until some point.... Events, dear commentariat, events.

[@lindsaybelderson7735]

Elections are a festival of thin slice judgement

[@dougtsax]

Farmer or pharma? Can't tell vocally.

[@danielmaddox2734]

She messed up her Monty python reference…

[@martinjameslewis5702]

madelson looks well tanned where has he been brazil

[@philiptyson4000]

Mandleson friend of jeffrey epstien showing his face in public

[@MrDeadhead1952]

In nearly all case politicians wear hard hats and hi-vis waistcoats because it's a heath and safety requirement of the venue they are in.

[@sgwh2002]

I think that the point is that they have chosen to go to these particular sites to get the photo op.

[@goldeneagle99]

Health

[@trashman1358]

Vote Reform UK

[@matthewbaker2573]

Putting them in charge would be the equivalent of replacing 90% of teachers in a school with young parents who didn't do their exams

[@chrisround941]

The iPad has an off button, and I’m pressing it now, why would an open minded person listen to this diatribe. I suppose the clue was in the title, TIMES RADIO, SAY NO MORE.

[@PGHEngineer]

It's an absolute joke. Peter Mandelson of all people.

[@emlynpearce1451]

Open-minded people listen to things they don't agree with. It is closed-minded people who avoid things they don't like.

[@JohnC-nl5xs]

It's a realignment of the whole country. We are sick of both Labour and Conservative !

[@bigpants6121]

who's we?

[@Geoffreryoc]

Speak for yourself. You certainly do not speak for me, and presumably, you have no idea of the views, but for a small group of people you have spoken with and possibly not them either.

[@andydudley1775]

no just the tory your trying to blame 15 years of this on labour .for what ukipbiat ok lol .

[@backgroundknowledgeisevery3089]

“We are sick of both Labour and Conservative” Is that why a consistent 65- 70% are saying that they will vote for them in the polls?

[@beachcomber1able]

The SNP are boosting their support in Scotland thanks to Tory-Lite Starmer. 😀

[@colinthompson3111]

Excellent discussion. 😊

[@ksay7649]

just discovered this, loving it

[@casadellangelo]

11:08 Eh? He's literally overseeing the highest levels of immigration ever! Sunak is clearly not a communitarian. 😂

[@TheOffkilter]

I wish she had gotten the Monty Python reference correct but I loved it all the same lol

[@phillpotts9047]

We are on the move to get our ship sailing again Vote 'REFORM' we all need change now. Conservatives are finished.

[@johnburrows3385]

So , Right Wing policies have systematically failed us ......and you're suggesting a more extreme version .

[@toriesout8692]

Glad you were fined. Breaking strike is wrong and undermines his colleagues. But given his sister is perm Secretary of DEFRA, clearly says a lot.

[@laogong52]

They talk about everything but concrete actions to improve anything of substance. Not suprising when the real power is with financial capital. The government doesn't actually run the country, and hasn't for decades. The same throughout the west, so where is the democracy in that? If it's not profitable for the elite owner of capital it doesn't get done.

[@nifralo2752]

They did talk of changing the voting system

[@tenkaikagaya]

Who’s gonna tell Mandelson that Quentin Davies isn’t dead?

[@goldeneagle99]

Unite with portugal! Go right!!

[@Sidb26]

The truth hurts

[@Ebanie711]

I have a party to vote for. Shame about Ann Winercomb

[@7th.trumpet]

Vote Reform UK 🇬🇧.

[@SecwetGwiwer]

Reform are just another bunch of the rich campaigning for the rich.

[@matthewbaker2573]

Putting them in charge would be the equivalent of replacing 90% of teachers in a school with young parents who didn't do their exams

[@anindyamajumdar4088]

Here's another joke! What is Jeremy Hunt 's interest?? Well.The Way the bank.of England sees it , the sky's the limit!😂 What?? No-one laughing???

[@philipharris-smith5889]

A guy who was deputy leader of the current governing party not important….tell me more.

[@davidranger4468]

He wasn't the Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party, he was one of four Deputy Chairmen of the Conservative Party reporting to the Chairman of the Conservative Party who in turn is appointed by the Leader of the Conservative Party. Her served in that position for just 11 months. He is a political non entity and will most likely not be an MP after the next election

[@dougtsax]

It would be helpful if you turned up your mics and perhaps speak a little slower.

[@TC8787-yq7og]

Yeah Lee Anderson, that political powerhouse 🥴

[@joblogs8886]

I'm voting reform.

[@BodyGuardOfLies1]

How incredibly smug.

[@avacadman2155]

What do these existing parties expect us the populous to do?! We always get the brunt of “Their ideals” we pay the price at every turn! We need new blood! A party that acts in our best interests, A party that listens, that relates to our needs. We are fed up with two party politics that forever drag that dead horse out and achieve nothing other than making us pay! Reform, a breath do fresh air at last! 👍👍👍

[@boogboog8097]

Tories are done in fact British politics is dead, people see liebour and tories are both EU wef sellouts .

[@smoozerish]

I have to say Times Radio are getting very desperate and very propagandist with their click bait headlines.

[@grahamevans2937]

Well done to Lee Anderson he will make a great impact on the reform uk party

[@johnburrows3385]

Mandelson is right . Starmer needs to lose a few pounds and Sunak needs to start wearing more conventional fitting suits. Sadly ,superficial details matter.

[@donalobrien7582]

Please The Situation in Britain could very well be beyond Repair but i don't think giving time to Mandelson who with BLAIR were Directly responsible for the Influx of Immigration into BRITAIN. I remember the horrible abuse of an American Senator who on a Trip to BRITAIN said that he had to look around Himself to be sure he was in the Right Country with the amount of FOREIGN Immigrants Surrounding him. TRUE.

[@cwy333]

How much can one talk about oneself and ignore the fact that politics is for the people who live in the UK and not for their own insular interests. The way to win an election is simple. Empathy, understanding, strategy and action. All of which are lacking in the House of Commons. Currently whichever party wins the next election should not congratulate themselves, it won’t be a win in the public eye.

[@daveyjuice7710]

Blimey a working class rough talking mp destroying his own conservative party

[@gavinsmith9564]

Reform the people that brought you the amazing sunlit uplands of Brexit, proving that you can fool the same people twice.

[@lightningtree5432]

Mandelson is the epitome of smug evil

[@PGHEngineer]

You are going to put Peter Mandelson on to discuss the internal machinations of the Tory party??? I wouldn't trust Mandelson to tell me what is going on inside the Labour Party, let alone the Tory party. Yet again you show what a joke the MSM has become.

[@PeterMugisha005]

Bring back Boris.. or Toris are doomed! Establishment has to stop treating people like fools.

[@garyford3533]

Boris is the same Rhodes lefties on the left and right.

[@user-tc1fq6mb1e]

i Honestly don't give a Fy Fk what Mandy Thinks about Anything 😷

[@alexsmart3365]

Hello Sailor

[@lightningtree5432]

… he said as the young man disembarked on Epstein island

[@timsimmons5953]

Sunak either stand up to the Brexiteers or call an election.

[@jackie6343]

We are ready for a new fresh leader ,go for it lee 😊

[@xinma6034]

Reform is the best

[@xinma6034]

@@iberian5319 dreaming

[@xXTUCXx1]

Who's going to force us?​@@iberian5319

[@Ian-sj1wy]

​@@iberian5319 Hows Nicola in retirement. Camping trips maybe??

[@matthewbaker2573]

Putting them in charge would be the equivalent of replacing 90% of teachers in a school with young parents who didn't do their exams

[@xinma6034]

@@matthewbaker2573 so what that’s gpod

[@mikicalic9651]

you so funny

[@edc8388]

All reform is going to do is split the Tory vote. Bring it on. 😋😋

[@johnsometimesoffandsometim8933]

Just ask George Galloway

[@MrDonster]

It's the CHAVS BATTLE ROYALE! 😂

[@lobintool]

"How to win an election". Err lie through your back teeth?

[@brianaltham1015]

why is anderson given so much publicity? Without all this attention he would simply shrivel away to nothing

[@haleytownsend7544]

Lee speaks the truth great working class man

[@californiadreamin8423]

@@haleytownsend7544. No he doesn’t. He’s a disgrace to working people.

[@haleytownsend7544]

No he is a good working class man who speaks the truth@@californiadreamin8423

[@zebedee6633]

Can we please be reminded that the current immigration situation was started by Blaie and Mandelson as the main advisor.

[@mrhawk2005]

lee should be pm

[@DamienSullivan-hw4lq]

Mandelson . The Prince of Darkness .

[@pedazodetorpedo]

What is clear is that both Conservatives and Labour know that Reform is a force to be reckoned with. Let's just see what happens at the election.

[@fToo]

@30:27 Roger Liddle came third in Fulham in 1983 on 18% - so I'm not sure Peter really did "deny" him a seat in Parliament ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1980s

[@BumberClarke]

I can already smell the bacon sizzling

[@jamessouth3808]

That a sign of a tumour. Get it checked out

[@BumberClarke]

@@jamessouth3808 maybe it’s boiled gammon actually what does that mean?

[@tonyharman8767]

How long do you think it will be before 30p lee anderson jumps ship again as he seems to change his opinions and views like i change my underpants 😂

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

What never?

[@tonyharman8767]

@@user-it7lf7kk8m 🤣🤣

[@Eurobrasil550]

​@@user-it7lf7kk8mAnderson called Tice 'A pound shop Farrage' earlier this year ' and previously supported a motion calling on any MP who changed parties between elections to be subject to a compulsory by election! Seems like his opinions have changed now.

[@tonyharman8767]

@@Eurobrasil550 i absolutely agree with you 100% Anderson is just another untrustworthy attention seeking clown !!!

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

@@Eurobrasil550 notwithstanding all that. I would agree in general it would be a good idea to have a bye election if someone crosses the floor. But as we could have a general election at any moment, it would just be extra expense for little gain. As the costs for an election come out of our pockets, if you are working and paying tax, I don't think it is worthwhile for just a few months, unless his constituents are dead against him carrying on for the next few months.

[@Lilspoon93]

Reform for the win

[@matthewbaker2573]

Putting them in charge would be the equivalent of replacing 90% of teachers in a school with young parents who didn't do their exams

[@Lilspoon93]

@@matthewbaker2573 i think thats allready happening because kids arent being taught math english ect but how to know if your a male or female or a coffee bean trapped in a kettle

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@Lilspoon93 so, you want that type running our country? didn't read my comment properly, did you ?

[@Lilspoon93]

@@matthewbaker2573 rather them than labour or tories

[@matthewbaker2573]

@@Lilspoon93 we've had it pretty easy under the tories - for over a decade before covid, they kept Bank of England rates below 2%, 1% for a lot of that. November 2008 was a RECORD LOW at 3% and anything below 5% was deemed a good year due to the whole of 1998 it was above 7% and in double figures for a solid 3 year period between 88-91. if you think inflation has been bad for you the last couple of years, you are in for a real nasty surprise when the power shifts, especially if its to a party full of divs relying on mongs to vote for them

[@coronaviruskillerforthegoo3353]

or the tories keep more seats as the loonies move away.