Tornado Farewell

Here is a mash up video of the day 23rd Jan 2019 at RAF Marham. In this video you will see F-35Bs, Tornado GR4s, two performance take offs from Eurofighter Typhoons and a Short take off from An F-35B Lightning ii and loads more..
I hope you enjoy this video
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[@Foldy435]

I remember being around 8 years old and a guy from the RAF recruitment visiting our school and telling us about the brand new Tornado and how when we were older we could fly this state of the art fighter/bomber. I fell in love with the Tornado and it was my dream then to fly it. Unfortunately my boyhood dream never became a reality but my love for this legendary aircraft goes on. What a servant it has been to the RAF, untouched by anything else in terms of low level bombing capability and a hard act to follow. I hope a couple are kept flight ready for air shows to come as it would be a terrible shame not to see this magnificent aircraft continue to take to the skies.

[@Rainchild33082]

Something about the symbolism of getting struck by lightning while being caught in the typhoon. Pray for the nation that ever has to fight Britain in the air.

[@DarrenBartonaviationvid]

Can't beat a pair of Typhoons going straight up.

[@dosbrostacozzinc.6856]

Actually you can, a single F-15E should do the trick 😉

[@russellbrown8377]

I always thought the f15e's took off and climbed like nothing else. Have to say i think the typhoons would eat an f15 on time to climb from brake release to say 20000ft....

[@dosbrostacozzinc.6856]

@@russellbrown8377 That's a tough call, idk m8. Both are wonderful aircraft.

[@russellbrown8377]

Ahh yeah definately. I do like the typhoons, so impressive at air shows, but lets face it f15's are proven. And i think id rather be in an f15 in a battle situation. Just looks like a tougher 'meatier' plane

[@Diemerstein]

@@dosbrostacozzinc.6856 The Typhoon would eat the F-15 any day of the week piloted by a rookie.

[@herrakaarme]

F-35, with the jet nozzle hanging out so much, looked like a rectal prolapse patient.

[@valenrn8657]

It's based on Convair Model 200's nozzle which is then copied for Russia's Yak 141.

[@ancelrick5396]

@@valenrn8657 All development starts somewhere..

[@stevebroughton4787]

Lol !

[@herrakaarme]

@@AdventistTruth It's just what I immediately thought when I saw it. I wasn't trying to crack any jokes. I had never seen any jet engine going that far in thrust vectoring. Harrier looked quite different.

[@johnevans388]

Looks like my arse feels after a good curry :-{

[@christophermorris5651]

Well another one bites the dust.... Pride of Great Britain they were....Panavia Tornado GR-4 1974 -2019

[@stevebroughton4787]

And we end up with yank crap based on the BRITISH Harrier.

[@johnellard]

haha yeah ok mate what ever you say.@@stevebroughton4787

[@cyrilmannion7377]

"Pride of Great Britain they were....Panavia Tornado GR-4 1974 -2019" Best not forget history. The MRCA (later Tornado) design team was led by Germany. This very successful European Programme was managed by Panavia which was based in Manching Germany. At the outset, Britain was a junior partner in the programme. Only later, after the departure of Canada and the Netherlands and following the reduction in projected orders from Germany did UK share the programme on a 40%/40%/20% with Germany and Italy. By that stage, the design had been frozen while under German leadership.

[@MrBen527]

Well say what you want, but we all know even a bad day for the F-35 is better than legacy aircrafts good day.

[@w8stral]

25% of that "yank crap" is built in the UK... You sir, are a genius. The UK makes money on every single one of those planes built as they buy far fewer than everyone else does. @@stevebroughton4787

[@4rnnr_as]

Feeling sad to see the '80s jets retiring. Nothing can match the elegance and sheer power of the Tornado, the F-14, the Mirage, the B-1 and B-2 bombers or the mighty Vulcan.

[@fr-tigerfangs7039]

Absolutely true. The Lightning II might be, and will most likely be, a very potent aircraft, but it is just plain horrible to watch! Especially from the back, I won't tell you what it makes me thing of, as it would be rude... :-)

[@valenrn8657]

www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5525&start=1335#wrapper Via GTA4's post, F-35A beating EuroFighter in acceleration.

[@Apemopar]

Dont forget the F-111. 😉

[@valenrn8657]

@@Apemopar kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaS4dJyudsqNZqM F-111 can't out-turn F-4 Phantom 2, Eat that Air Power Australia/Carlo Kopp/Peter Goon.

[@4rnnr_as]

@@Apemopar and the F-111. That one retired awhile ago though! Like 1995?

[@Eo_Tunun]

I worked in the 1995 river Rhine flood, where the Bundesluftwaffe took the chance to take an air reconaissance exercise and photograph the entire river, from lake Bodensee to its mouth in Rotterdam, several times each day to collect data for future flood protection. The Tornado reconassaince version did each photgraphic run in about 1½ hours. I don't think any of the latest fighter designs will be able to perform quite as well in such jobs. I wonder how wise it is to let got of a plane that had such special skills no competitor could match. But then I'm a vintage tech lover of sorts. Still, having seen the Tornados dash by "in anger" at low level, always on a wingtip as at that speed the river's bends were pretty tight turns, I couldn't help but be amazed by what these planes were capable of. No air show winners, but workhorses for the air forces. Outstanding performers at low level, much like the Buccaneer.

[@marinjeam]

Fully agree, most countries bet on 1 horse, named JSF and due to the costs of those, no governement has the money to keep valueable workhorses anymore. not wise.....

[@davidrobinson4118]

Loved the flyby by the Tonka at the end. I was lucky enough to see a 4 ship of F35's through the Mach Loop a little while back. They were certainly impressive, but the Tornado just had something else about it. They will be sadly missed. Sorry aviationlover92, I forgot to thank you for a great vid. Well done.

[@stevebroughton4787]

I grew up with the Tornado MRCA in the early 1980's.....one of my fave jets. It's done it's job, served well....gonna miss it.

[@PrivateCustard]

I'm gonna fly in the face of common opinion here. I like the F-35. Sure it looks a little odd at times, but as a piece of engineering, it's very interesting......stunning to behold at times. I'm really going to miss 'the mighty fin', having memories of them all the way through my life, from sitting in them at various airshows during my childhood (Halton is missed greatly!), to seeing the swept fury as they tore up the skies over England. Seeing them in the loop will stay with me forever. But, time and technology never stand still. Retire her at the top, don't keep her in the fleet to watch her fail due to age. Cherish the memories, embrace the new.

[@aviationlover9247]

Well put 👍

[@ianstevenson4378]

This video was excellent - truly amazing! You have captured the atmosphere noise and movement of all the aircraft in a way no photograph could, and i've seen many excellent shots on UK Airshow review, well done!

[@aviationlover9247]

Just want to say thank you for your kind words

[@HighFlight]

Brilliant! Thanks for sharing.

[@SUPREME83WHV]

Awesome Video! Very well filmed! Thanks for sharing! Keep on the good work!

[@bobthebomb1596]

I love how the engine on the F35 is so powerful it doesn't bother with reheat on takeoff.

[@peggysmovies2768]

Typhoons usually don't use reheat for take-off, only for intercepts, show, or for impressing passengers.

[@theoneandonlymattsmith]

Great video. I will always remember that day.

[@HFamilyDad]

What a treat! I love the way the F35 designers care about the tarmac, cool engine swivel timing.

[@ianstewartaviation2634]

Excellent work thanks for sharing

[@markoVTX]

Superb job in brilliant light.

[@ianjackson7515]

Exceptional quality video and sound. Thank you for uploading this, sad event, but superb footage.

[@aviationlover9247]

No problem

[@thespectator2976]

I came here for the Eurofighter 6:10 , What a wonderfull piece of art, much nicer than the cadilac of a plane F35b ;)

[@petersilvester6215]

Amazing to see these fabulous aircraft - close up.

[@michado75]

Thank You Amerca for this beautiful, powerful and sofisticaded airplane. Tne Tornadolover Micheal, Germany,

[@micktisdall3587]

Love em n gonna miss them had so many good days watching these fly around norfolk wen working on roads.

[@chembleton]

Great quality videos, subbed

[@BlueAngelPhantoms]

Love how pronounced the rear flap movement is on those first initial takeoffs.

[@mhamma6560]

That's how the avionics work -- the pilot pulls back, and the aircraft deflects surfaces until the inertial sensors detect the desired movement requested by the pilot. The pilot doesn't fly the F35 as much as he tells it what he wants out of it. The avionics will then use any / all surfaces to achieve the desired movement. This is why F22 / F35 don't have speed brakes -- the control surfaces can deflect in opposing actions resulting in aerodynamic drag. Things like 1 rudder turning left and the other turning right -- increases drag (speed brake) but doesn't produce directional changes.

[@1chish]

Brilliant catch there Sir. The Tonka is dead - long live the Tiffy I say. And didn't those two Tiffys get off the deck smartish. I bet that was shorter than the QE's flight deck Nice demos from the Lightning as well... Glad that name has returned to the RAF fleet

[@pasqueocwe1744]

BEAUTIFUL

[@dewbottle]

Fantastic thank you

[@pegasusted2504]

Anybody else think the F35's look like they have and old Elvis or Shakin' Stevens style big quiff type thing when the are coming down to land? I find it quite comical ;~) Also when the Tornado's land and they get those baffle things, thrust reversers?, I can't shake the image of Bumblebee getting ready to fight :~) Yeah, go on then have a like and sub. Good stuff.

[@cancel1913]

Awesome video! Those darn birds that appear to be crossing in front of the landing jets sure make me nervous. LOL

[@jimbob8992]

Love the video, just for the terrific noise alone.

[@andyhop3234]

Miss these tornados at the former base RAF LEUCHARS loved watchin them perform in the skys above leuchars fantastic aircraft ...

[@lenfirewood4089]

I love them all - each has it's particular" charms" which mark it out from the others - will miss the Tornado though as I can imagine many scenarios where it would still hold it's own as a very capable war fighting plane.

[@lukasdittrich5867]

Such a beautiful aircraft. The Tornado!

[@ginggur17]

Great video. Top man.

[@longo1965]

Great Vid. Thank you.

[@Bsquared1972]

Sad to see the end of such a great aircraft...the Tornado was one of my favorites. The F35 is an incredible aircraft, and should prove to be another great warplane.

[@SCARPENTER290]

Absolute beast

[@S00000by]

Fantastic video, mind if I ask what camera you used?

[@mapp4751]

i always thought the Canadian air force should have had some of these Tornados along with the f18s but i guess it comes down to $$$$$.farewell to a great airplane!

[@johnevans388]

I was at the 2015 Marham F&F Day and witnessed close up three-ship Tornado launches that day - it's quite something and reminded me of the USAF doing a two squadron launch of F-100 Super Sabres out of Lakenheath back in the 1960s. As for the F-35? The latest generation of high-tech fighters have just one fatal flaw - maintenance. At Marham in 2015 they bought in a Typhoon II and it went tech. I saw an engineer sitting by the nose wheel with the manuals (paper!) trying to figure out what was wrong. If they can keep the F-35 flying it will be awesome, if they can't it's just a very expensive piece of junk.

[@giannibtt]

very exciting video! please upload some more! :D

[@barriefrench3371]

I will miss the Tornado,a beautiful aircraft.Thanks for your service Maam o7.

[@kungamusic]

great video

[@earthbuddyat]

cheers for that, lovely footage, love the closeup of the reheat coming on, what video camera are you using may i ask? or is it an slr on vid mode? many thanks!

[@animeshdas9842]

Good video..I enjoyed it.

[@bukwok]

f 35 jet exhaust no flames. because stealth design or just engine not push full power?

[@mikelucas2309]

Fantastic footage - thank you very much. Another type enters the archive of history - sad.

[@NorthEastFPV]

The Typhoons stole the show

[@alexcook4851]

Great video! Sad to see the Tornado roll out of service.

[@WizzardPrang]

Great video. Can't beat a Tonka. 👍🏻

[@TheBarnem13]

Great video! I do love the Tornado but those Typhoon's What was it a Typhoon pilot once said "She climbs like a homesick Angel'

[@MsSynnex]

Awesome stuff, never get tired of watching those Typhoons take off like that!! and to all those who call the F35 ugly, search 'F35 Death Valley'... she actually looks pretty awesome, very sleek lines, good close-ups.

[@77knez]

Its sad to see an aircraft like this get put out to pasture. I don't care what anyone says, the tornado is still one of the best aircraft the RAF has ever flown. Its always had a great look to it to. I feel like its another one of those forgotten greats. RIP

[@EvoraGT430]

Nice to see the bat-wing pass at the end.

[@cornishcactus]

A lot more finesse getting a Tornado off the runway than the yank a F-35 seems to need

[@iambetterthanyou7574]

I’ve always loved the Tornado shame its retiring

[@anthonymurphy1406]

Long live the super tonka

[@david14Herbie]

I didn’t expect the clam buckets on the tornado engines

[@thhseeking]

Simple, but effective :)

[@ades104]

Very good video - thanks for sharing. Sad to see the Tonka going..

[@macedk]

Did you manipulate the audio on this video ?

[@popsbeesgut3275]

I don't know, to many bad things can go wrong on landing for that F-35B. Always loved the Tornado while stationed in Germany!

[@JayeDee_Gr4]

The F-35 can do one !. Can’t see this lasting 45 years. It’s basically an IPhone with wings !.

[@buchanjay]

Is it ok to use this video on my facebook military page please

[@wibblelord2633]

I loved working on the F3's, such a sight, and noise. Being on QRA as also a thrill. Such shame to see these go. One flew over us the other week on the way home from the coast, I had to pull over, I was in tears at the sight of one of my old girls passing so close overhead, the mrs was in tears at the noise

[@SgtSteel1]

8:26 wow that bird got CLOSE!

[@nigelcarter9503]

A great aircraft, and can still outperform the 14 Tomcat. It has done sterling service and is still used by many airforces.

[@PashaDefragzor]

Disarmament or reconstruction?

[@karlforman936]

What happens to the tornados . Scrap or sell on

[@stuco81]

They are being sold to the Luftwaffe so they can be cannibalised to keep their fleet airborne (so I read).

[@val7782]

Sees first seconds of the video.... *like*

[@paulschab8152]

I used to have doubts about the F35, but after seeing it perform in person, those doubts were put to sleep.

[@johnellard]

wrong@ZeOverman

[@F4Wildcat]

@ZeOverman I was hugely opposed by the F35 but now in 2019, things have changed drastically. I am glad belgium bought 34 aircraft.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

@ZeOverman We're in 2019 though, it's time to move on with the times. No other aircraft comes close to the F-35 in terms of electronics and so on.

[@acesirr]

@ZeOverman Well since you are such an expert in aviation, tell us then... what's truly bad about the F-35.

[@adamanderson3042]

@ZeOverman "Stop reading the Lockheed Martin marketing brochures." How about the fucking military brochures? The F-35 is by the most advanced multi-role fighter jet ever designed in the history of mankind by a fucking mile.

[@lukasdittrich5867]

Every time i think of the F-35 i feel like it's a young boy who is going for a group of Harrier's like: "hey, let me join your gang. U know i'm the younger brother of the cool F-22."

[@MarcNewitt]

Wow those Typhoons put the F-35B to shame!

[@bulletproofkam7931]

Don't you mean Tornados?

[@MarcNewitt]

No definitely Typhoons....

[@pdoubleyou7801]

The Tornado seemed to stop quicker than the F-35 even with all its bog doors open. Tornado looks better too.

[@mhamma6560]

Western fighters are designed to keep the nose high after touchdown to bleed speed (whereas others use drogue chutes). The tornado with its thrust reversers is unique in that regard -- but they add weight. They're also extremely difficult to make low observable due to the metals they're made out of, and increase the complexity / part count of the aircraft. Such parts on aircraft are done in times of war where all airstrips are taken out. Roads will have to become air strips. This is why as the 2030s come around, I think we'll see substantial orders placed for the F35b variant as planners become cognizant of just how capable the F35 is, and the ability to hide F35b variants damn near anywhere. F35s are built to carry the B61 nuclear bomb -- that makes a stealth nuke bomber able to be hidden just about anywhere. I live in the middle of rural America in the foot hills of the Appalachian mountains and the road in front of my house is just long and straight enough for an F35b to use. I expect most F35 customers to end up purchasing B units for contingency planning.

[@spinynorman887]

Thanks for filming everything from behind, so that the hear shimmers destroyed the focus.

[@iandavies6620]

Seems like a lot of shit could go wrong with the F35. That's one hell of a lot of moving parts!

[@caribbeanchild]

Wonder what those F35 engines do to the tarmac?

[@todd3205]

Tornadoes are certainly a handsome bird.

[@josesilvanosilvano8934]

Aí tem pressão am

[@Sanhiriyan]

So this will go for sale for half the price to third world countries?

[@paulmivvi7828]

Bet they all wanted the camo.

[@nickomplejo]

If I had to trust an accurate air to ground attack, I would choose the old GR4 hands down. I don't care if it's more or less visible on a radar, I know it can handle the situation and suceed its duty.

[@Deej-85]

Brilliant video thanks for sharing, whoever has disliked this wants fucking with a frosty mop

[@sneekapeek707]

F35 looks like a sitting duck for quite a long time after take off

[@jeron1776]

Last of the swingwings

[@markgriffiths6638]

Sad day will miss them. It will take time to get used to the new Dyson

[@damienroberts934]

so much for the fly pass?!

[@Leon-Hardt]

06:08 The Typhoon is a rocket, literally.

[@weshoskins4657]

There was one over raf benson yesterday

[@leboromeo]

00:40 when you finally get to take a shit after coffee and ciggie

[@FPVSteve]

F-35 looks like one over-engineered airframe compared to the Eurofighter + Tornado which have been built simply to get a job done. It'll be interesting to see which stands the test of time.....

[@wavydavy4138]

f35 jack of all trades master of none.

[@kennysell2027]

wavy davy... The Israeli airforce certainly know how to use them, the Syrian (Russian) air defence in Syria couldn't bring any of them down when used against both Syrian and Iranian targets..

[@wavydavy4138]

glad they work we have 2 aircraft carriers waiting for them.

[@1chish]

Wavy davy - Another contribution that adds nothing ....

[@jimsnow9286]

same was said of the f18 eagle 20 years ago , wavy do some research and stop watching you tube

[@1chish]

@HiWetcam If you cannot see that was a typo then you are clearly just trying to be a smartarse and offered yet another pointless comment just like Wavy davy's ...

[@simonwilson1237]

Good bye lovely old girl👏 thank you

[@michaelsnow7252]

I saw them fly past boscombe down on the 20th feb

[@alangale5666]

Really sad to see the Tonka retired, they have served the RAF well. The F-35 has very big boots to fill.

[@tobi140811]

Who needs the fucking F-35....... Tornado for ever. 😢😢😢

[@w8stral]

How times change: That single engine almost has more dry thrust than the Tornado does on Afterburner. Aircraft: Higher Take off weight by 10k, stealth, supercruise without AB, and can STOVL... um, yea...

[@mogzybuster]

Maybe, but if the tornado had a problem with an engine, it could afford to shut it down and get home on one, a fine quality in any combat aircraft, especially ones operating from carriers, even more so given the price tag of an engine failure on an F-35. Also if you want to talk raw power, I would recommend watching a 'vertical' take off of the English Electric Lighting and the power of the Avon engine. Nothing to do with changing times, more to do with marketing and trying to do more with less, even if it ends up costing more. The F-35 program, full of promises and potentially great in practice reminds of the situation with the phantom prior to going to war, designed with the view that technology (via missiles) would win a fight and therefore not need a gun. Only trouble was nobody told the enemy combatants that they were beaten by technology, and they forced the phantoms into one sided gun fights. Of course the phantoms were retrofitted with gun pods after a while as stop gap measure. But it is a reminder that technology is very fallible, and the human mind can be very inventive in circumventing it. I admit to not liking the the F-35 for a lot of reasons, cost, single engine in a complex airframe, cost, complexity vs serviceability, survivability. I could go on. It has a lot of promise on paper, I have my doubts they will pan out. But for the sake of the nations who have, and any that consider to purchase it, I do hope it fulfils the promises made by the salesman. Personally, give me (in no particular order) a Tornado (GR1,4 and F3, Harrier and Buccaneer, and I would put money you would get task completion, better survivability (less with the Harrier , but it can viff in combat) and pocket change - for the cost of one of these vending machines. So ..... um, yea...

[@w8stral]

Sigh, do you really not know anything? Lightning has same power as a Tornado... The F35 has more RAW power than the English Lightning/Tornado AND the Eurofighter TYPHOON... And you may wish to actually look at the combat record of the Phantom and its supposed need for a "gun" and not post tripe myths bantered about on the net. Tech since then has simply made a "GUN" an absolute joke. And genius, you do realize almost 100% of all WWII fighters were single engine with piss poor reliability and 100% of carrier aircraft were single engine until post WWII... And the F35 engines reliability is an order of magnitude more reliable compared to those pieces of junk. So..... um, yea.... Keep posting your ignorance. @@mogzybuster

[@w8stral]

One other thing: Neither the Harrier, nor the English Lightning had guns internally mounted... F35A does. Not the B/C version... @@mogzybuster

[@sam23696]

I always see the term cost thrown around as well. Yes, the F-35 is the most expensive defense project of all time, and well over budget, however this aircraft is (unlike the F-22) for sale to other NATO members. It's intended purpose is the deliver the air superiority of the F-22 in a slightly less superior package. Which is what Russia does with many of their defense projects. Unlike the F-22 the US is expected to make some of the R&D expenditure back in sales. The next thing you mention is serviceability. The US has only manufactured the F-35 in "small" numbers so far, basically the first units to be put in service, and they have already produced 350 to the Phantoms 900. Many of these planes are not even old enough for major part replacements, hence there are not even production lines for the parts these require. Higher serviceability is expected for every new aircraft, including the Phantoms when they were first produced. The reason I mention the number produced above is because the F-35 is intended to be a strike craft with a higher diversity in combat roles, which they can sell to countries that _can not_ afford to produce a stealth aircraft that sophisticated. For example Australia can't afford the R&D for a homegrown fighter program of any capacity, but they have order around 70 F-35s for use in most combat roles they require. In theoretical terms NATO currently has access to produce thousands of vastly superior aircraft if a major war between superpowers were to occur. That is why the F-22 exists. Not because they needed such an aircraft in the war on terror, but because if war were to suddenly occur the US has already been a step ahead for a decade. If the likely case occurs, and World War 3 doesn't happen the F-35 will be an expensive show piece like the F-22 and the F-45 will be the next decades expense. So.... um, yeah.... the older aircraft are battle tested and popular because we used to have a war to battle in and the new and vastly superior aircraft seem pointless by an ignorant comparison because they aren't battle tested and even if they were they killed their targets from 200 kilometers away and it was an anticlimax.

[@mogzybuster]

@@w8stral Well ok then, so you completely missed the the point, while you keep muttering on about raw power, I was talking about survivability. I used to work on both the Tornado F3 and the Buccaneer, unfortunately never the harrier, but to clarify my point a little better for the hard of reading, aircraft aborting mission and rtb'ing with an engine problem and returning on a single engine with what was classed as emergency state 2 was fairly frequent, up to a couple of times a week on occasion. Now that may sound a lot but it is a small percentage given the amount of flying done. So here's the point you missed or ignored, how many times can an F35 afford to shut down an engine and expect to rtb? There are plenty of examples of single engine fighter out there today, but none, to my knowledge, and please feel free to enlighten me oh wise one, none to my knowledge that are designed to be three aircraft in one airframe with a price tag that would make Harrods blush, with the exception of course of the F35, great if you don't have an engine problem. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against single engine aircraft, one of the best (IMO) post war aircraft designs to date, versatile, adaptive, cost effective and even good looking is the F-16, but guess what it's (relatively) cheap, to purchase and as important to maintain over its service life. And the F35? Still sighing? Exampling wwII aircraft as a counter argument is misleading and completely irrelevant. fighters were for the most part single engine because of a power to weight depreciation in performance and maneuverability. Let alone the fact that then, a/c rolled of the production line in the hundreds per month and operational life expectancy (for the aircraft) was measured in weeks not years. Of course carrier aircraft in wwII being single engine had nothing to with what I just mentioned or to do with the size of available carriers, or the take off requirements of a multi engine aircraft, compared to carrier size (think B-25). Point being, what was the case, because it had to be, doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea today, fighters don't have to be single engine today do they. Regarding Phantoms, they had an illustrious career, once the kinks got ironed out both in equipment and operating tactics. what I said was correct and did happen as an example read this from the smithsonian (www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/what-couldnt-f-4-phantom-do-180953944/) and tell me that the comments of the phantom drivers are tripe myths, also if so why was the Top Gun program developed, the arguement for a gun, is for a defensive weapon not primarily as an attacking one, as such. But again you missed or ignored the point, the point was a reference to blind reliance on technology winning the fight and always underestimating the ingenuity of the inferior human brain, as was the experience of the first phantoms in vietnam. But of course, as you say, I know nothing. Twist or ignore the points as you see fit, I remain content in my ignorance of both fact and first hand knowledge, all without laying claim to knowing yours, have a nice day.

[@ourlittlesmarties1188]

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN !

[@busyend]

The once mighty UK...

[@ourlittlesmarties1188]

THE BRITISH TORNADO