Torque Monster 461 - Trick Or Treat???

[@ryanbarringer1917]

I'm not one to comment on the web but every now and then great things need some praise. I grew up in the woods and I've been running built saws since the early 90's, I've ran many good ones but after buying two from Jack; one was his personal used 562 (that I ran for two seasons as a thinning saw before a minor repair and now running it for a third!) and now a new 461 he built for me over the summer. I have to say not only does he get a lot more out of a saw, than any other saws I've ran, he builds them in a way that they last. Plus I know he continues to improve his product and adapt as the new changes come to the latest saw versions. As a timber farm manager, I can honestly say Jack will get all my future saw buying business because when I look at year end costs and time spent getting trees turned into logs, the added expense of these saws easily pay for themselves in productivity and reliability, not to mention safety of the timber feller when getting through a back cut so quickly! Thanks Jack -RB

[@Paleoman]

Those are some of kindest words I've seen for a shout out on a guy's work. Well said, that was mighty nice of you!

[@wesleycallison2079]

Now that's an endorsement!

[@michellepugh2859]

I've NEVER seen anyone build a 461 that runs like that??? It's safe to say I've watched hundreds of builder videos and nobody even comes close to this saw. What a monster!!!

[@n00bicon4]

“Funky sesh… On his COLD earth at this point in time” One of a kind, makes me smile

[@randynethery2923]

That 461 is a cuttin' beast! Great work!

[@AleX.SPP.]

Definetly a treat” to watch it run, very nice to see all the “ tricks” applied and working in this masterpiece . Stay worm Jack, blessings to you !

[@woos31]

Good lord a-mighty that thing rips Jack! Damn impressive build pard, I don't know many people who wouldn't enjoy that saw no matter what their brand of choice. Well done ol boy

[@dustinsayers4557]

Wow! Torque monster is right! For the fact thats turning that fast, IN the cut is obsurd. Nice work Jack. I am thoroughly impressed with this build.

[@peterjuhasz5143]

That is a speed of a lightning! Impressive! Awesone saw, congrat!

[@mikewhitman830]

All I hear is Robert Duvall saying: "There's nothing stock about a stock car." when I watch these vids! Haha! That thing is a BEAST!

[@jamesmooney5348]

Impressive saw. I like it.

[@HighMaintenancePS]

That saw is darn motoring! Absolute beast.

[@bobfry7543]

BADASSERY!!!!! 462 treeknocks!!!! Sasquatch approved!!!!

[@bobfry7543]

My apologies. 461 treeknocks

[@michaelremski8295]

"This saw has quite a bit of power" You sounded surprised when you said that. about 14k no load, 12-13K under load? That upcut? awesome. Thanks.

[@hotsaws101]

Michael hi. Think I was being a lil smarty pants.... At 14k it is still loping. The under buck is impossible to monitor with the tach by myself. But, we watched this saw blow it over with ease. Thanks for watching.

[@blainstenberg2806]

that's a nice sounding saw making some torque

[@hotsaws101]

For the likes of CJ Saws & DC Campbell - If I had to take a guess, it's fluent in forum smack talk... For the record, until you've stood right there, sawing on said wood you really have no clue. And until you personally have used someone else's equipment, you are not in a position to make an accurate assessment from what I can tell. Regardless, it shows a lack of class with that kind of commentary. I'm going to hope and pray that somehow, someway, you and those like you get to a better place in this life. For the decent folks out there, "soft wood" like white fir growing at around 5/6000' can rattle your fillings "out ur head" - especially if it's been getting pounded with wind. I personally have cut a lot of trees, through many decades, in an array of locations. Those that really know something about sawing on wood will tell you that there are always variables as to the wood's hardness. And, until you have used your own equipment on it, you really don't know how the wood will behave with your chains. Felling high elevation, old growth fir growing close enough to the coast to get "winded" takes a completely different chain to be affective than what works great on the coast down in the low areas. Mr. Barringer's comment sums up his experience of using more than one tuners saws over a long time. It is much appreciated! Not that I, really, have to respond....

[@dcvariousvids8082]

A definite treat to watch on All Souls Eve!

[@Paleoman]

Dang, that is truly a beast! A redwood killer lol!! Years ago I found an ancient "Bradley Allen" chainsaw in the garage of an old house I rented. It must have been one heck of a beast in its prime but your saw would have cut circles around it. I think it had a 40 inch bar or something c lose to that. No safety features on that relic......Stay safe & warm!

[@hotsaws101]

Paleo Man hi. An any verital tree kilter. With feeling and speed. My first 2100 had no chain break and they were pretty late model.... Maybe you saved it? Thanks for watching.

[@whiskeytangofoxtrot9403]

Thanks for sharing, that thing is Wicked!

[@blainstenberg2806]

would like to see more of that saw at work

[@Hausmann300]

Im impressed, that saw rips for sure bud!!!!!

[@MsMohaman]

Awesome!!! Brutal modified!! Good job!! ✌👍👏

[@jkontons6340]

Could you do a video on how you are tuning your saws. How do you find tune your H,L and LA screws. Do these setting change from a ported or hot saw or stock saw. Thanks in advanced.

[@hotsaws101]

Z hi. The Cherry 038 - My Carb Adjustment video was posted about a year and a half ago. Thanks for watching.

[@wieprz00009]

I love this saw!

[@bryanmarks4070]

Dam that saw has some power!!

[@richr1870]

Nice saw Jack! That bad boy rips my friend! Stay safe. Peace!

[@prestonmadplume7665]

That's a bad ass saw.

[@stevet8121]

Well done Jack! Could you cut some of that fine dry wood into 16" lengths for me? lol

[@michaelremski8295]

Where is that laughing crying emoji when you need it?

[@stephenmontgomery6043]

I would love for my 461 to run like that . Very nice work .

[@hotsaws101]

Stephen hi. All it takes is time & some new parts. Thanks for watching.

[@tatepazaski5488]

Dang what fun to watch that mod 461. I would love to see that in a versus vid. What a monster! Tate

[@paulcrocker8232]

Very powerful saw Jack. What piston do you use and recommend?

[@Paleoman]

Torque or treat? re: the Bradley Allen chainsaw was taken by my evil landlady and thrown away just out of spite. She knew I had an interest in it & thought it belonged in a museum. She sadly liked to do things like that. I mentioned how I enjoyed the shade from the Eucalyptus trees that kept the house freezing during the winter since there was no heating. She had them cut down. Once I figured out what made her tick I tried a little reverse psychology to my advantage once in a while. Lived there 5 miserable years.

[@sparrowm249]

It’s loving the cold air

[@benschlacher6131]

That`s one hell of a saw - wish it was mine.

[@jacobnelson9144]

That thing rocks

[@wesleycallison2079]

Love to feel the torque when you bear down on em. My old 041 had it. That's about all it had . Low rpm and torque. It would be kinda blubbering into the cut and get a bite and wake up and PULL. I always wondered if that was something in the coil that made it do that or what? By the way I've had 3 of those stolen. Nobody steals the other brands I guess.

[@woos31]

P.S. -as I'm off to cut firewood you can imagine the wishful thinking my 460 elder brother was running like younger brother in this episode hahaha!! And this is the middle of the road version........geeez!

[@davidgraham7878]

I gotta ask where did you get the fluorescent green axe handle that thing is cool looking where can I get one like that???

[@110americalovingpatriot2]

I bought a brand new MS391 last year with a 20 inch bar thinking it was plenty big enough but after walking the very neglected property 20 acres of mostly woods with lots of black walnut trees and oak. I would like to just do some modifications to it and put a 28 inch bar on it so wondering if you have any recommendations to do or sale it and buy a big manSaw or just throw the manufacturer's suggested 25 inch bar?

[@mcheles3301]

She really rips!

[@sparker2289]

I need my 461 to run like this

[@CJSaws]

That's some pretty soft cottonwood there. I guess that's the "trick". 😁

[@5150powder]

what an idiot. are you not smart enough to realise that you just turned yourself from respected saw builder into jealous jerk off in one small sentance? far out man that was just a stupid thing to say. have some respect.

[@davidure2901]

how much?

[@Ljohansson96]

How does one manufacture one of those lightweight bars

[@hotsaws101]

Linus - It is, and this is of course, the length I was talking about. It is 100 dr .375 not the standard 105 dr length 32" they come as. It requires machining. It also requires care to get the groove in perpendicular so a guy can still hit the shot. Thanks for watching.

[@Ljohansson96]

@@hotsaws101 if you have the time im sure everyone would love to see video of how you do it.

[@mikeswank6543]

Sick saw jack

[@forrestebert5276]

Jack how much do you charge to do your magic port work on a MS461? I want to get my brand new saw ported and I have been trying to contact you but have had no luck in doing so far? Thank you for your speedy reply Forrest

[@jacklowe3788]

Impressive! What yr. Model is that 461?

[@hotsaws101]

Jack hi. The last year they were made in the sequential production run. Thanks for watching.

[@Peterzwegat86]

Where does a normal human get that Oregon bar from ?

[@patrickjwalstonsonstreespe380]

Best saw ever

[@harrybarker1408]

awesome!!!

[@andrewotero1972]

Nice 461 she's a screamer!!! What chain are you using round or square grind?

[@hotsaws101]

Andrew hi. Square here. Thanks for watching.

[@coast.cutter7552]

Keep it down over there!!!

[@HubertofLiege]

Bill Arrow neighbors get free firewood

[@emeraldstevens8922]

Nice power 👌💪👊

[@emeraldstevens8922]

I don't have the time to build another saw. I've built up my ole 066 and 460 but needing another saw soon. How much for a saw like this?

[@thomashall6916]

Ok jack make my ms460 run like that it already kicks my ms661 bad. Maybe do both what are we looking at

[@gregbrown9271]

Nice 💪💪💪

[@fei-forestry6169]

Power there 👍

[@njblanchard2618]

hey jack long time say how you think your saws would hold up cutting hardwood back east

[@hotsaws101]

NJ hi. I pondered here a bit. That's a very loaded question. And, just a bit of a rabbit hole. Is the guy's chain cutting smooth or rough? That will effect the longevity more than a few other things that I can think of. Whether the operator is a finesse or the tear up an anvil type is another. In an attempt to unload the query, it's like there is some stigma about back East hardwoods. I've cut headland Eucs, standing dead Black Oaks, Locust, and old growth Live Oaks on the left coast that will have your teeth "rattling out ur head". The last two pull a lot of silica out of the soil. If cutting early you can see the sparks. Never mind when they are 4/6' on the stump. Better have a backpack full of chains.... If you want to get a hold of something hard, go to 6/7,000 feet and grab a hold of a big White Fir. And when you think, man my chain must be dull!, get on the limbs. You end up having a couple of chain choices up that high. One thing gets over looked a lot I think. It's the fact that 16/20" bar will rob ~ 1/2 a horsepower. A 36" is about double that. I build saws for a few guys on the Right Coast. A 24" bar is long for most of them. I use a 33" regularly - 110 drivers .375 - and a 36" a lot out West. My premise there is that even though a lot of the trees in the PNW are considered "softwood", the bars used are much longer and suck up a bunch more of the power. Elevation plays a huge part on the tree's hardness as well. I think that because lot of guys that are fallers have never worked above the relatively low numbers, say 0 to 2k feet, there is a misnomer that back East is the pinnacle of what would be considered abusive on a chainsaw. Burns are pretty much the worst that I know of overall. Factoring it all in then, things might just be pretty close to even while sawing on either side of These United States. I've never heard of any of my "real" clients complaining about the saw not holding up in a "back East application", or after felling millions "out West" either Thanks for watching.

[@treyhughes9181]

What is the best brand of chainsaw

[@notafuckinpplperson8233]

Trey juan the one you can afford that suites your needs

[@hotsaws101]

Trey hi. It would depend upon the application and bar length. I might be running a Dolmar. I might running a Husky or a Stihl. It would have to be refined quite a bit for me to say a particular saw/brand was better. But, it might also only be in one application that I think so. Thanks for watching.

[@leesanders8824]

Wow!!

[@szozda44]

Can you make a 046 have that same power?

[@hotsaws101]

szozda44 hi. Virtually the same. Takes quite a bit. Thanks for watching.

[@j.chrisbeck7492]

Wow.

[@ReloadAholic]

Where do I get those dogs from???

[@JKOHLER78]

Nasty saw I have done a little work on some 372 xp saws just bought an 372 xtorq any tips on mods thanks

[@hotsaws101]

Jeremy hi. Thanks. If you want honesty,,, then sell it and get a 461. I went away from Husky after wearing my XPW saws (the true version) out. The x-smog 372 platform is not a good power making machine. Thanks for watching.

[@JKOHLER78]

@@hotsaws101 thank you I appreciate your honesty you do some amazing work thanks again!!!

[@uplandhunter5794]

@@hotsaws101 As far as a bone stock firewood saw how do you feel about the 372 x-torq. I also have an old gray top 61 that was a real good saw in it's day but is now in need of some work

[@josephroman4176]

Thanks for your vidéo Very good saw Can you give the reference of your tachy please?

[@jeffhill2355]

Wow

[@5axmachine167]

How much time can you put on a saw like that before it needs a rebuild?

[@notafuckinpplperson8233]

Ortimber 1 run. same as top fuel. damn thing is probably running on alcohol as well lol

[@speedandmarine9066]

That mostly depends on the owner and how well it's taken care of and operated. I have several ported saws, so far I have yet to wear one out. I'm not a professional faller, but do cut quite a bit. One of my current ported saws is a 461 that HOTSAWS101 has done and it has been trouble free for over a year now.

[@hotsaws101]

Ortimber hi. I had felled and bucked ~ 400k with this saw before what we see here. In addition to what Mr. Speed said below, the mix oil used will play a part as well as the condition of the chain, along with others. I can cut millions with radical saws. Most notably, one of my 390s with a modded combustion chamber like this saw. I came up with 6.5 to 7 million board feet slayed. If you average, and divide by 5000 board feet per load that is 1350 loads of logs with that on saw. I run pump gas laced with boost for ~ 98/100 octane. I blend my mix oil. I use a ratio of ~ 48/50:1 All of that is what we see here. In a professional fell application, one year of run time is a pretty common time number. Thanks for watching.

[@5axmachine167]

@@hotsaws101 That's great, thanks for the feedback. I have a newish 461 that I'm a little unhappy with so I am contemplating sending it to you for a little pep talk. Thanks again Jack, keep up the great work.

[@hotsaws101]

Ortimber - I won't take a stockly one off the landing. Nose bleed slow cutting operation. Once zipped, a beastly little machine! I might have to eat crow, but, thinking that this one is going to give a 500i all it wants based on what over seen in the 462.

[@adirondackharold8574]

I need to send you my 038 super

[@lspics-mj8cm]

from which brand is the sword?

[@hotsaws101]

Marcel hi. Oregon. Thanks for watching.

[@lspics-mj8cm]

@@hotsaws101 Thank you we in germany don't have that big and beautiful trees you live the dream live what we don't have in europe as a lumberjack

[@derschnuff4565]

1.3 mm chain, old trick.... don´t use this with jeans, the chain can break.....stay safe, stay alive guys

[@hotsaws101]

Jürgen hi. Not a trick at all. Pretty common place to use .050, .058, and/or .063 gauge chain in this neck of the woods on mid sized saws. Been doing it in some capacity since ~ '76. Reason being, no need to run .404 with the associated extra weight & slower cutting characteristics of the more wide kerf it cuts. This holds true for all applications except old growth Redwood timber (getting through the bark) and second growth Redwoods when the bark is swelling in the spring & early summer - also getting through the bark. I have broken a few chains over the years, but only a few. I've burned through MILES of chain in the 5th, and now going into the 6th decade during my career using saws. Chap, by all means. If a guy feels like they are necessary. I'd suggest wearing them. Some guys use the insert version. I know that because that's is the type I will occasionally use. Thanks for watching.

[@kevinjones9855]

That's saw rips

[@Travput]

Where did you find that max flow cover?

[@hotsaws101]

Travis hi. This particular one - I called up the manufacturer and ordered up a box. Thanks for watching.

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Instead of messing with that 461, go buy a Husky 390.....gish it's still just a stahl.....stock 390 will eat that alive.....

[@hotsaws101]

Robert hi. Although this saw is mine, I "mess" with whatever the client sends me. I personally think that there are good, as well as bad, attributes in all saws, regardless of the badge. Ummm, yah not really. This saw will annihilate a stockly 390 & run with a middle level tuned 390. One of these days we will all watch that happen. This video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnjdm3akgp2MqM0 - shows an on the pipe Jonsered 2166 (70.7cc) that I built besting a stock 390 & a stock 461 running fairly close to the 390. I note my findings in the description area also. This channel has a lot of comparison saw-off videos for reference. Thanks for watching.

[@djcampbell9150]

I'd like to see the same saw actually leaned on in hardwood.