Torsion Box Table Bed - Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 to 6060 Cnc Upgrade,

[@joelrob8606]

Superbe réalisation 💪

[@steve-martin-42]

Some very nice ideas in the video hope you don't mind me borrowing them for a few years 😉😂🤣

[@techydiy]

Please do!

[@alfredoj1349]

I’ll do the same if you don’t mind😊

[@GbpsGbps-vn3jy]

There's perceptible movement of the whole construction doing the holes @7:55-8:05. As a rule of thumb to stop this you need to connect it to a lot heavier foundation, at least 2.5 times heavier than the machine, or to play safe - 5 times

[@techydiy]

PROVer XL 4030 to 6060 extension kit amzn.to/3Qfir4x Amazon bit.ly/3vqOVuN Sainsmart Website Sainsmart PROVer XL 4030 Cnc amzn.to/455Xnll Amazon bit.ly/3ggHC4a Sainsmart Website The design file links are in the video description Some of the links above are affiliate links. If you click on one and purchase something, I might receive a small commission. It doesn't cost you anything extra, but it does help me to make more videos. 00:00 Introduction 00:50 Upgrade to 6060 06:33 18mm table bed 08:37 Test 18mm mdf 08:54 Tortion box table bed 12:00 Test tortion box 12:18 Dust shoe 14:36 Spoilboard 16:20 Tortion box holes 17:24 Tortion box base 18:23 Install tortion box 19:03 Final test 19:40 Conclusion

[@MaximKachurovskiy]

Good work. Dust shoe works so much better being independent of Z and instead tuned for the sheet material height.

[@TomFYouTube]

What kind of accuracy, repeatability and resolution are you getting with this machine? Also will it do a good job milling aluminum if going slow? Thanks

[@neilberkeley5469]

Thanks for all the work you put in and have shared 👍

[@hayfahvytsen]

Superbly done! Great video!

[@gerryturley6070]

Great channel and very clear. Are there any tips you could help me with if I want to have the stepper motors to the front and not on the rear on the 6060extension. Thanks.

[@WalterWhite-pr1qs]

Learned quite a lot watching this! 😃

[@thesketchymachinist]

First off I love the channel. I have an ender3 3d printer that I upgraded with the 3d fused linear rail kit, attaching them to the aluminium extrusion with t Nuts in the x axis and also the y axis . How do u feel about upgrading this 4030 machine to linear rails instead of the axi's traveling on rollers ? The ball bearing in the linear rails would be much more accurate and would in theory stop any play in the axi's . The only problem is you would have to either 3d print or cnc machine some type of adapter to take the place of the rollers, and that would attach the gantry to the linear rails. If this is something you could take on, I would more than happily purchase the cad files from you so that I can 3d print to fit and then cnc mill the adapters from aluminum. Thanks!!!!

[@oCjLn]

This is a great question. I asked the official support the same question without getting a real answer.

[@thesketchymachinist]

I'm happy to see I'm not the only one! lol . I belive if anyone could figure it out, this guy could . Hopefully we hear something from him soon

[@techydiy]

Its accurate enough for my needs, but I do want to do something with the old rails, so I will have a look.

[@scaletownmodels]

Very nice. I'll just throw in my 2 cents because, why not. I was considering what overall difference it would make if the torsion box was also filled with epoxy-crete. Then the foundation was constructed of laminated plywood and mdf for stiffness and mass. Then a few support jackscrews through the foundation in preloaded contact with the underside of the table. Yeah, it's easy to get carried away. lol

[@techydiy]

Experimenting with stuff is half the fun of it 👍

[@FrankyDigital2000]

I think the deflection of 0,04mm can not be improved on this machine. Box thing is a fantastic idea which i'm going to use.

[@Naqshsalim]

Nice work.. one question, is it possible to keep y axis c beam facing outwards? there would be less dust on the lead screw

[@techydiy]

It would require some spacers or frame surgery.

[@ArnaudMEURET]

This very question popped up when I saw the machine sides. I’d love to know why Sainsmart didn’t design it like this !! Seems like a no-brainer.

[@vcholman]

Looks like you drilled 40 8mm holes in the table for the threaded inserts. Then 8 additional holes (4 in the front and 4 in the rear). These are to bolt the table to the threads inside the 2080 extruded front and rear aluminum pieces. You then drilled 40 7.5mm holes in the spoil board. Same pattern at the table. Is this to allow access to fasten clamps thru the spoil board into the table? You then cut 12 more holes, 10mm in diameter in the 3 x 4 arrangement. What are these holes for? It also looks like you drilled 4 holes in the front and rear of the spoil board. Is this how you fasten the spoil board to the table. Did you use longer bolts to pass thru both spoil board and table to thread into the aluminum 2080?

[@techydiy]

Correct. The 40 holes in the spoilboard are for clamps and also to bolt the spoilboard to the table bed. I cut 12 pockets (not holes) to recess the mounting bolt heads below the surface of the spoilboard. I only used 6 bolts to mount the spoilboard to the table bed (6 bolts were good enough). The 4 holes in the front and back of the spoilboard are used to allow access to the bolts that hold the table bed to the aluminium frame. This is so that I can remove the table bed without unbolting the spoilboard. Did I use longer bolts at the front ? No. If you have any other questions please ask Good luck.

[@vcholman]

@@techydiy Thank you for the clarification. The use for the 4 holes at the front and the rear was a bit unclear. Appreciate you answering my question.

[@vcholman]

Hello I built your table with tortion box, inserted the 40 M6 threaded inserts. Having difficulty understanding how your spoilboard mounts. One .NC file shows 12 holes in a 3x4 arrangement. Does the spoilboard bolt to the threaded inserts in the table? Are there additional holes in the spoil board needed to allow clamps to pass thru to thread into the inserts in the table.

[@techydiy]

Well done building the tortion box. I have hopefully answered your questions in the other comment.

[@marcneufeld898]

Great Video!

[@mikes1330]

Can you envision an frame assembly method that would allow for vertical clamp/vertical table on one end (just 1"to 1-1/2" of travel past the vertical clamp/table) for cutting dovetails? Would need to allow the spindle to make that travel. Perhaps moving one endplate in 2-3 inches?

[@playwithtechnology146]

What are the footprint dimensions (LxWxH) with the expanded 6060 base + Y axis motors? So, how much space on a table does the full machine it need? I have one being sent and want to get enclosure parts on order now.

[@techydiy]

I am pretty sure its in the video

[@playwithtechnology146]

@@techydiy I watched it another time but I don't think it is. Can you tape measure the outer footprint of the machine including Y motors and CAT track for the X+Z gantry. This is not just the torsion bed size but entire machine as it will all go in an enclosure.

[@gerryturley6070]

Can you tell me which size and type are the drop-in T Nuts you used. Thanks

[@techydiy]

I think they were m6 slide in types but its a guess

[@stevieray48]

What are the dimensions of the footprint of this machine after the upgrade? I want to make a table before my router arrives. I understand that you have enclosure sizes in the video. I am interested in just the room needed on a table.

[@DangoNetwork]

what's the vac you are using in for the dust shoe?

[@techydiy]

amzn.to/3FCSrZn and one of these amzn.to/3FCSrZn on a container

[@LVA_DESIGN_LAMPS]

can you give me the link to the hose that's connected to the dust collector?

[@techydiy]

Sorry but I don't know where I got it.

[@arnaudmetivier8020]

Simply brillant

[@aymanqunaibi2776]

can we upgrade the 3040 which was before upgraded from 3018 to the new 6060?

[@techydiy]

This is an entirely different machine

[@minyongkim1355]

Lessons from this video. When buying things, buy the good ones in the first place, and don't spend money on upgrading.

[@ArnaudMEURET]

I read many contrary accounts where people tell they downgraded because they never actually landed projects where the increased footprint was beneficial. Maybe not from 60 to 40, usually larger, but I think the principle still applies. Don’t spend the money until you know it’ll be put to use.

[@xConundrumx]

would have taken the opportunity to add a vacuum function to it but not bad.

[@techydiy]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

[@rballwv]

could i go to this straight from a 3018 pro?

[@limitlis]

FWIW That's pretty much the path that I'm taking. Started with the 3018 pro (and the 3040 Y extension) straight to the PROVer 6060. I'm also going to try and use the left over 4030 pieces to "upgrade/convert" the 3018 pro and try and move away from the fixed gantry. Will probably end up being my dedicated laser machine, and use the 6060 for router work. Hopefully that goes ok. Haven't had the 6060 very long, just a few days so I'm still dialing it in.

[@neilgillies6943]

A bit of forethought by adding holes to the internal spacers would have let you use the torsion box as a vac bed :-) Well made video however!

[@techydiy]

Funnily enough, I did think about that but time and no easy access to lightweight/low density mdf killed it off pretty quick.

[@RikKarDING]

How much is the upgrade kit?

[@edgardogoo]

Hi Could You share the drivers, for 4030 that was corrupted on My usb

[@techydiy]

You can get the CH340 drivers direct from the chip manufacturers website: www.wch-ic.com/downloads/CH341SER_ZIP.html

[@t4bi_54]

13:37 Which app is that?

[@techydiy]

Shapr 3d

[@marcmorton6342]

I would really like the design files for the box and spoilboard

[@techydiy]

Design files in Easel: For svg export select File - Download zip As shown in the video, some of these reference the first mounting hole and some don't. 01 - 6060 table bed test drill holes easel.inventables.com/projects/5i3BxLEjKsx6PELl-l1r1Q 02 - 6060 table bed mill 5-5mm holes easel.inventables.com/projects/SnoQY4fAjKPQEkoLCljbIQ 03 - 6060 table bed mill holes 10mm 5-4mm easel.inventables.com/projects/u8EI6lbuEFR3bGo5jklisQ 04 - 6060 spoilboard 7.5 mm holes easel.inventables.com/projects/wQ5go_3OJl92ylsde8W6sw 05 - 6060 spoilboard 12mm holes 10mm depth easel.inventables.com/projects/jauKx0FFE0_Rh6AugXO3Sg 06 - 6060 spoilboard 10mm clearance holes 18mm easel.inventables.com/projects/n5F2QW_JWRH6LT5JmR-X8w 07 - 6060 table 8mm holes easel.inventables.com/projects/F3sXo6fScf6PiMmbJ50LZg

[@hanguyen4701]

good

[@cintabonsai999suka2bonsaibatam]

nice friend

[@michaelgemma7459]

4030 Genmitsu ProverXL my problem I broke the wires on the llimit switch the ones with green tag Can someone heip Sainsmart is no help I love your vidos

[@techydiy]

Just buy a crimp tool and crimp on a new spade connector. The most likely reason they broke in he first place was they they were soldered. Crimping is far superior in terms of reliability.

[@mem9629]

Can I have you old parts

[@055_rickysuryapranata6]

fill it with resin or concrete and you'll get 0 defflection

[@techydiy]

Or a hernia

[@tjh44961]

OK, I know it's WAY too late to change the popular lexicon, but calling a machine like this a CNC is like calling a thumb drive a USB. But this machine is a CNC router, not a CNC. It just bugs me! But as usual, the video was well done.

[@techydiy]

Indeed :-)

[@mgnoodle2589]

Hi, What’s the difference? Just as a noob who’s interested

[@tjh44961]

@@mgnoodle2589 CNC is the method of how the machine is run, Computer Numerical Control. Just as a thumb drive is connected to the computer via USB, the Universal Serial Bus. This CNC router is connected to the computer via the USB cable, which sends the CNC control signals via a cable connected to a USB port on the computer.

[@TunaSoda]

There is no router involved here, that is a spindle... :D

[@gryzman]

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