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@TotallyHandy
@TotallyHandy Жыл бұрын
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@warofhero
@warofhero 2 жыл бұрын
If I did this MIG weld test like him, they will instantly fail me on the TEST!!! I guess it is okay if it is for a small home project but not for industrial projects.
@nottellin1340
@nottellin1340 2 жыл бұрын
That's all I was trying to figured out here... the welding was seeming odd. Full disclosure... I'm not an experienced welder. But it just looked weird.
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
Mighty, they probably wouldn't even let you finish the test, they'd be too busy laughing you out of the shop if you pulled that spotweld nonsense!
@nottellin1340
@nottellin1340 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been so cool to watch them TIG... or at least lay down a solid MIG bead right?
@svroundabout
@svroundabout 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts as well. Spot welds are not structural welds. Maybe good for furniture or a fence.
@Thaijler
@Thaijler 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not certified and even I was horrified.
@davidpetruzzi4173
@davidpetruzzi4173 2 жыл бұрын
I think the angle grinder skills are the most impressive part of this video. Cutting a straight line is hard enough, let alone those complicated angles and curves
@jeremyd6823
@jeremyd6823 2 жыл бұрын
True that! I like the grinder he's using, but can't tell what brand it is.
@SilverBird747
@SilverBird747 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyd6823 probably Bosch
@jonathanlarsen4177
@jonathanlarsen4177 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyd6823 at around 7:09 you see the petroleum coloured body, it is a Makita!
@user-dc1dr9kr8x
@user-dc1dr9kr8x 2 жыл бұрын
Use a grinder everyday for the right situations and it's speed, power, and accuracy with an 045 wheel will follow...and a little editing never hurt a video
@aaronoconnor606
@aaronoconnor606 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanlarsen4177 he usses more then one grinder one is a bosch and one is a makita don't really matter what brand it so he doesn't have to change discs as often
@ijumitzu
@ijumitzu 2 жыл бұрын
With all the tacking he may not be the greatest welder in the world but his grinding skills are great and creative , a lot of guys can’t even do a straight cut properly - sure it may not be less stable if he’s welding that way but most of it looks like decorative parts that are not going to be used in places where there’s really a need for a lot of durability ☺️good work 👍
@nadenitza
@nadenitza Жыл бұрын
"Grinders and paint make me the welder i ain't!"
@jttech44
@jttech44 2 жыл бұрын
A grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't
@arrobaolmedo
@arrobaolmedo 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@FullCircleTravis
@FullCircleTravis 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a professional welder. While tack welding makes no sense here, they will hold for decorations. He's pretty good with his grinder. I wouldn't trust those welds to bear large amounts of weight.
@TheL0k3
@TheL0k3 2 жыл бұрын
its so hard to lay a bead. hahaha
@Chart-vo7po
@Chart-vo7po 2 жыл бұрын
Measure to size, cut to fit, paint to hide... ; )
@jharvey433
@jharvey433 2 жыл бұрын
I use his joints... they work 60% of the time... all the time
@IanMossMakeMoss
@IanMossMakeMoss 2 жыл бұрын
Neat cutting and bending. Terrible weak welds.
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
Amotherfreakingmen to that!
@vandebe1
@vandebe1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can’t stress how much I hate those welds.
@engenhokas69
@engenhokas69 2 жыл бұрын
@@vandebe1 you can't hate what's not there. sorry i didn't see any welds. those things are just glued and about to spring back open
@AGPMandavel
@AGPMandavel 2 жыл бұрын
How can you tell?
@engenhokas69
@engenhokas69 2 жыл бұрын
@@AGPMandavel no heat into the metal, no protective gas, needs constant flow not tec tec tec you follow? then grinding the already weak welds makes it worse.
@ratmother.actual1294
@ratmother.actual1294 2 жыл бұрын
Wow a 90° angle but it takes longer! Genius. These are totally pipes! Wow!
@bammymaxwell2587
@bammymaxwell2587 2 жыл бұрын
Right? These are the most pointless cuts most of the time and there was not a single pipe in the video, all just box section.
@rk81oman
@rk81oman 2 жыл бұрын
When I see this "welds"... just tacking. Set your welder right, and weld. Not spot for spot, with an arc that gets edited out... And why the wire brush when it is grinded anyways?
@danielmcdowell9526
@danielmcdowell9526 2 жыл бұрын
I was saying the same thing your called a welder not a Tacker and if you are going to show complex welds show how to set up your equipment so people get the right idea. I've been welding for 30 years and the setup is one of the most important part so your weld is a true weld and not subpar tacks.
@tai87aimis
@tai87aimis 2 жыл бұрын
i think its just a video effect,🙄
@shanks_209
@shanks_209 Жыл бұрын
You should put up a video to show them how it done dude. 😂
@robertmason8341
@robertmason8341 Жыл бұрын
It’s irritating isn’t it…all the metalworking “hacks” on KZbin and they always seem to edit in tack tack tack with their mig then show the finished product to look like a tig bead then they grind it down flush…🤦‍♂️. I’m like, ok there went all the strength of your “weld” buddy (or string of tacks to be more accurate).
@wheatandchaff-z6s
@wheatandchaff-z6s Жыл бұрын
Your not going to get invited to be a guest.
@ecv80
@ecv80 2 жыл бұрын
I'm jealous. Very jealous. Kinda mad too. I could have used those skills back in the day when making an iron structure. That's some mastery at welding and with the angle grinder.
@lethauntic
@lethauntic 2 жыл бұрын
Well, not so much the welding part tbh
@dubbified
@dubbified 2 жыл бұрын
My metal shop teacher would love this video he would make us do all sorts of pipe welds and grinds just like this there are a few inventive ones that I like improvements on some basics.
@ierc6532
@ierc6532 2 жыл бұрын
Las críticas, aunque sean insidiosas y malintensionadas, no le restan un buen mérito por su ingeniería e inventiva. Gracias por compartir maestro metalúrgico.
@earld1403
@earld1403 2 жыл бұрын
A question for experienced welders: Welding technique aside (bead versus continuous) - how would you join 2 tubes so that they would have a rounded corner? There are a number of videos on YT using these grind and weld techniques and a lot of welders say they they are not structurally sound. How would you do things like rounded corners (referencing a video is fine also)
@lhp2a
@lhp2a Жыл бұрын
You get rolled material. I've been doing structural for 20 years and I've never seen a rounded corner like this Etsy level nonsense.
@nickpeterson2042
@nickpeterson2042 2 жыл бұрын
Are those quick little welds actually strong? I’ve heard that doing it that way looks good but is weak. It’d be cool if you tested it compared to traditional welds
@dannyberg4294
@dannyberg4294 2 жыл бұрын
They are weak. (I have a degree in fabrication and gave been welding for 20+ years). The beginning and end of a weld is the weakest part. So the multiple tack method= lots and lots of beginnings and ends. This method will fail any actual inspection in any industry
@georgestam1710
@georgestam1710 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyberg4294 buddy,hope you help me with a question. I'm a furniture maker and sometimes i fabricate metallic legs for tables, metallic bookshelves etc...I always groove V the edges where I'm gonna tack/weld them and after that,i usually grind it with 120grit flap disc and 200grit orbital sander to make the welding spot invisible. Regardless of start and finish welding spots that u already said that are weak, is it weak in general because i grind it to make it as flat as possible?... I use a stick welder,not mig or Tig. Sorry for my English,hope to understand what i mean.
@tonkatoy200
@tonkatoy200 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyberg4294 is he doing it this way to stop it burning through the tubing, or just no idea?
@GoogleUser-yj1wy
@GoogleUser-yj1wy 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyberg4294 🤣🤣🤣🤣 degree in fabrication Yeah and I have a degree in making coffee 🤣
@dannyberg4294
@dannyberg4294 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoogleUser-yj1wy “Google user”… maybe… idk…. Use Google 😉
@ВадимКузнецов-з2й
@ВадимКузнецов-з2й 2 жыл бұрын
.... даже при монтаже металлоконструкций необходимо знать геометрию за 8й класс, молодец мастер!-, всё доступно показал, здоровья тебе и удачи во всём, новых творческих успехов и хорошего настроения 👍👍👍🤓👏🤫🛠️⚙️🔗🔩📎🗜️📏✂️🦾👌🆗🇷🇺👈🤔!!!
@clow13666
@clow13666 2 жыл бұрын
Он молодец это без спорно, но кроме круглых углов ничего хорошего. Это металл, а не древесина, если привалило то будет держаться. В последнее совсем ерунда, арматура будет ржаветь, если конечно не защищать её каждый день как солдат бляху
@herrmajor17
@herrmajor17 2 жыл бұрын
О, русский комент! Друг, подскажи, что за метод сварки у него? Вроде обычный полуавтомат, а как-будто точечная или холодная сварка
@clow13666
@clow13666 2 жыл бұрын
@@herrmajor17 видимо с углекислотой варит
@erickjuma7643
@erickjuma7643 2 жыл бұрын
If you love what you do it doesn't become work. This is beautiful to say the least
@rubenvor
@rubenvor Жыл бұрын
Are you a robot?! Your precision cutting is unbelievable! 😮
@antonyhibberd8824
@antonyhibberd8824 Жыл бұрын
It’s not welding, but it is art!
@josemanuelricovargas3479
@josemanuelricovargas3479 2 жыл бұрын
Tengo más de 40 años trabajando hierro pero siempre se aprende buen video buen trabajo
@Rotorhead1651
@Rotorhead1651 Жыл бұрын
"GOOD VIDEO, GOOD JOB" ?!? He can't even run a bead!
@astra004
@astra004 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most relactifying videos on the www
@josemanuelreyesleon4073
@josemanuelreyesleon4073 2 жыл бұрын
Los artista se ven a leguas he sido del gremio durante 48 años sobre todo en inox 👌👌👍👍 un saludo.
@t54df12
@t54df12 2 жыл бұрын
Can barely express how satisfying this was to watch!
@josegonzalez-wb1lv
@josegonzalez-wb1lv 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente video!!! Yo soy aficionado, y parece muy sencillo pero se necesita práctica.
@dinocencio53
@dinocencio53 2 жыл бұрын
Really, thank you for sharing. Impressive.
@dennissalinas704
@dennissalinas704 2 жыл бұрын
I just got inspired to be a welder,😊
@leonsoto8333
@leonsoto8333 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Chinese welding secret. It's the welding for me, amazing. I studied welding and became a master welder in CHINA, Best hour I spent in my life
@petr8068
@petr8068 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating…genius.
@bharathkumar9893
@bharathkumar9893 2 жыл бұрын
Really excellent and exciting to know about different types of joints...
@olsonusmaximus
@olsonusmaximus Жыл бұрын
Baela int forstui mej mei opansu geronda!!! Mei geronda! 😊
@urbanjentry222
@urbanjentry222 Жыл бұрын
Genius 😮
@ranovenpardede668
@ranovenpardede668 Жыл бұрын
You make it looks so easy.. we all know its not. Amazing.
@corail53
@corail53 Жыл бұрын
This is bad welding.
@MrJoebiz24
@MrJoebiz24 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of negative comments from those who know welding. Regardless of the welding technique, some very interesting work and nice looking results....
@pierrevalette9721
@pierrevalette9721 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, ideas aren't bad, but it's not a good welding method
@aaron7520
@aaron7520 2 жыл бұрын
Bad influence to new welders
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
Nice _looking,_ sure. Not good welding. Just for being pretty. I wouldn't even trust it for a stair railing! And if anyone tried this kind of welding at a job? They'd be told to pack up their toolbox before the day was out.
@akkolka7fi2rk2t
@akkolka7fi2rk2t 2 жыл бұрын
Вот это мастер, золотые руки!!!
@thatdude6045
@thatdude6045 2 жыл бұрын
Stopping and starting is not an issue on a mig weld since it isnt a flux welder like stick. As long as he is burning all the way through that thin metal he is fine
@kyrolazioko4783
@kyrolazioko4783 2 жыл бұрын
Factories: Just make sure it holds before going going out the door.
@usermediabox2590
@usermediabox2590 2 жыл бұрын
I don't care what academics say. For me, this is ART
@adolfoescobar3935
@adolfoescobar3935 3 ай бұрын
Done watching from start till the end myfriend tamsak done.
@brucecarey1780
@brucecarey1780 2 жыл бұрын
Pipes are round. This guy is welding tubes. Halo!
@lukequigley121
@lukequigley121 2 жыл бұрын
Teaching the TRADES...Paid my lot in life well..Autobody 21yrs, Autotech 5yrs, Machinist 30yrs,..Keep your body's moving or you will gag up
@ЕвгенАлександров-т1м
@ЕвгенАлександров-т1м 2 жыл бұрын
Вешалка💪 монументальная получилась кольчугу или доспехи вешать🙂
@personal-free
@personal-free 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice and awesome and you qre not welding but actually you are making art.
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
No, definitely not welding, for sure!
@isaiahdavid663
@isaiahdavid663 2 жыл бұрын
With all the awesome cutting, I'm kinda surprised that you can't weld. Some good welds would step this up.
@ilryan86
@ilryan86 2 жыл бұрын
Simply clever!
@mode1charlie170
@mode1charlie170 Жыл бұрын
Some really cool techniques! Thankyou
@soteriamediaproductions6165
@soteriamediaproductions6165 Жыл бұрын
“Grinding your welds to make them look good, doesn’t make you a welder, it makes you a grinder”
@srpacific
@srpacific 2 жыл бұрын
Always check your angles after you paint
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
It would help more to actually weld the metal up, first, instead of just a row of spotwelds which do nothing but waste welding wire.
@Avenus112
@Avenus112 Жыл бұрын
I have no tradesman skills whatsoever. Would these joints hold or is this just art?
@chickenlivers9351
@chickenlivers9351 2 жыл бұрын
Ain't got a clue about welding but that looks tip top 👌
@batziii8745
@batziii8745 2 жыл бұрын
No. Spot welding is just bs, those welds are weak af
@chickenlivers9351
@chickenlivers9351 2 жыл бұрын
@@batziii8745 yh I suppose mate good point
@jimmartin9704
@jimmartin9704 2 жыл бұрын
So much work, marking out and cutting not to mention grinding away 80% of your weld ....wow.... Two words ... mitre joint
@korbendallas71
@korbendallas71 2 жыл бұрын
Top grinder cutting skills too.
@fabiodenardi904
@fabiodenardi904 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Sei un artista. 👍👍👍
@uniqko
@uniqko 2 жыл бұрын
Anda sangat luar biasa
@bobsweldingtutorials3523
@bobsweldingtutorials3523 Жыл бұрын
God job👍
@petriepretorius4085
@petriepretorius4085 Жыл бұрын
that square tubing weld from 3:30 would also even look cooler if you put half steps in and zig zag weld but leave the welds ungrinded, that would look real cool 😊
@dschneid3489
@dschneid3489 2 жыл бұрын
Great skill. Its tubing I believe.
@MMZ_Thumper
@MMZ_Thumper 2 жыл бұрын
This makes me wanna get a tig welder! 🤤
@metronyc2855
@metronyc2855 Жыл бұрын
So many angled solutions. You are awesome .
@patorilim266
@patorilim266 Жыл бұрын
Dude, your amazing! 👍😎
@lukelopez9455
@lukelopez9455 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work u area a professional👏👍
@Cookie-Dough-Dynamo
@Cookie-Dough-Dynamo 2 жыл бұрын
I typically program and cut a part like that on our Trumph 7040 5 axis laser. It's much faster than an angle grinder. Surprised you didn't know that.
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
I'd have used either a plasma cutter or even a torch at the shop where I welded for 2½+ decades. We were a semi trailer repair shop, so didn't have a laser. 😉
@gabotrial
@gabotrial 2 жыл бұрын
Programing is faster than drawing by hand?
@warp.routine
@warp.routine 2 жыл бұрын
A welder of 45 years once taught me, if you have to use a grinder after you have welded... Then you're a grinder not a welder. That said, some of the aesthetics here require a grinder. Make the apprentice do it! Lol
@theginjaninja9768
@theginjaninja9768 2 жыл бұрын
We call that weld style.. "commitment issues"
@jaimecastilloduarte7590
@jaimecastilloduarte7590 Жыл бұрын
Super videos Bro. 🙋🏻‍♂️🇵🇪
@roninstrumen
@roninstrumen Жыл бұрын
Ide kreatif yang sangat bermanfaat 👍
@josecosta4797
@josecosta4797 2 жыл бұрын
Gostei das chapas e barras a gora o cabide!!!!!! Vc está de brincadeira. Que eu fiquei esse tempo todo pra ver isso 🙄🙄
@antwanbrowner9771
@antwanbrowner9771 2 жыл бұрын
This so soothing
@robertlyle6277
@robertlyle6277 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work. I’m curious, though - your mig welds seem like dit-dit-dit-dit instead of the usual smooth back and forth steady flow. Is that just a coincidence of the camera frame rate? (25 year vocational instructor)
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
@None Yabusiness they are doing that because either they don't know what the _~bleeping bleepety bleep~_ they are doing or they don't know how to set their welder to weld that thickness of metal. Or, I suppose, it could just be a junk welder that can't weld decently at any setting.
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl 2 жыл бұрын
Robert, it's one of three reasons. One, and the kindest possibility, is that they just have a junk welder that can't weld decently at any setting. Two, that the welder isn't set properly for that thickness of metal. Or three, they just don't _know_ how to weld properly. A weld needs a solid bead in order to be even remotely strong. This spotweld stuff is the farthest thing from a good weld and still be done with a welder. And then grinding all of that right back off? They might as well have caulked the meeting surfaces. It's embarrassing to watch, frankly, as someone who was a welder for 2½+ decades.
@OnceHopefuL
@OnceHopefuL 2 жыл бұрын
He's running a series of tacks instead of laying a bead
@robertlyle6277
@robertlyle6277 2 жыл бұрын
@@OnceHopefuL I was being kind - as others have noted, it’s poor technique and a poor weld.
@OnceHopefuL
@OnceHopefuL 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertlyle6277 XD I didn't read between (). All I know is if we tried any of that we would get fired for Taking to long
@АндрейБерезовский-с2ъ
@АндрейБерезовский-с2ъ 2 жыл бұрын
Гениально
@AntonioPalazzolo-ih4qy
@AntonioPalazzolo-ih4qy Жыл бұрын
Interssantissimo😊
@pcpiero2
@pcpiero2 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand all these criticisms of jealousy. It is a demonstration and not parts that can support 10 tons! It therefore works to save wire and gas and it is good enough for video.
@DailyFrankPeter
@DailyFrankPeter 2 жыл бұрын
Mesmerising.
@priyanthakumara3282
@priyanthakumara3282 2 жыл бұрын
Very good and very nice bro
@MNRNASA
@MNRNASA 2 жыл бұрын
Very good
@simonmccourt675
@simonmccourt675 2 жыл бұрын
Simple statement..Wow.
@MaisterniaHY
@MaisterniaHY Жыл бұрын
You shoot videos very well! What camera filter do you use?
@leemontgomery72
@leemontgomery72 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen this a while lot lately, with stick and mig, and it makes no sense to me at all. Why do you put multiple spot welds instead of running a single bead??
@wowdogeful
@wowdogeful 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason to do it like this is if you lack the skills to weld a proper seam from beginning to end. The beginning and end points are the weakest part of a welded seam, so placing multiple spot welds next to each other will make the weld considerably weaker than a continuous seam. This is especially true if you grind the welds completely flat like they did.
@batziii8745
@batziii8745 2 жыл бұрын
There is a video by TheFabricationSeries busting this kind of welding clip - the parts with an actual welding clip are removed, this whole welding technique is just BS
@IvoryS2012
@IvoryS2012 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. You do great work and the videos are very helpful. I subscribed to support and I look forward to watching your videos.
@gregb124
@gregb124 2 жыл бұрын
A grinder and paint make a welder what he ain't... this is now structural at all. Interesting techniques that reinvent the wheel.
@ernestmurphy3898
@ernestmurphy3898 2 жыл бұрын
I like his templets he goes from.
@LonersGuide
@LonersGuide 2 жыл бұрын
Cool pie cuts, now learn to weld.
@littled116
@littled116 2 жыл бұрын
Thats neat for thin wall tube. Get a TIG welder.
@debbushee6970
@debbushee6970 Жыл бұрын
what kind of welding is this and how hard is it to learn?
@mohamedbouaoudah3894
@mohamedbouaoudah3894 2 жыл бұрын
Bon courage
@muchopomposo.6394
@muchopomposo.6394 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible..! YAOWZZA! 🔥
@alexi007
@alexi007 2 жыл бұрын
Ай красавчик!!!
@MichaelFG
@MichaelFG 2 жыл бұрын
Small angle grinder with cut off wheel might make the curves easier to cut...maybe
@ValdirSilva-sz1ms
@ValdirSilva-sz1ms 2 жыл бұрын
*UM BOM TRABALHO GOOD JOB⚙️🗝️🕶️*
@CombrinkPierre
@CombrinkPierre 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@charlieleaney5794
@charlieleaney5794 2 жыл бұрын
Lying in hospital with a broken leg! Where’s my helmet? Brilliant work!!!
@Doomsday_703
@Doomsday_703 Жыл бұрын
How do you come up with this? Like where would I begging to even measure or start?
@PaggiPlumbing
@PaggiPlumbing 2 жыл бұрын
Your grinder skills>welding
@Alan-gi2ku
@Alan-gi2ku 2 жыл бұрын
Engaging and cool
@ShootAUT
@ShootAUT 2 жыл бұрын
Welding like an Apple genius. I prefer welding like a welder.
@mr.renovator4859
@mr.renovator4859 Жыл бұрын
Haha! Always guys critizing others work on KZbin 😅. Sometimes it is important. However, in this video we should more focus on cutting teqniques……. However a point to those complaining that the hanger with clothes at the end may drop a hook and you will have a jacket crushing your toes? 😂😂😂. Subscribed!
@jackrabbitalex
@jackrabbitalex 2 жыл бұрын
Just buy a fitting joint they are made in the same country.... you have it next door. Nice job!!!! I've done way more ghetto then that
@shuxratbozarov
@shuxratbozarov Жыл бұрын
Суппер 👍👍👍
@markjess1138
@markjess1138 2 жыл бұрын
Might wanna change the name to "this is how to tack pipe"
@crxxpslvyr7887
@crxxpslvyr7887 2 жыл бұрын
"How to fish eye pipe"
@mikef-gi2dg
@mikef-gi2dg Жыл бұрын
Awesome truly awesome.
@penname5623
@penname5623 2 жыл бұрын
If you want welds that look like tig get a tig welder what's the point of making it look like a line of tig dimes and then grinding it off? OCD is a real mental disorder.
@matthewgaither6718
@matthewgaither6718 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah For the ornamental aspect of this I was guessing he was just going to TIG weld it But since he was going to smooth it all out regardless I guess mig tac and stack is faster. Weird name for the video since pipe is literally not part of this. Just square tubing and some rebar. Kudos regardless. I would have just cut the pieces individually versus cutting and bending but there is definitely more than one way when to comes to ornamental fabrication
@blakbanshee
@blakbanshee 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@titnguyens
@titnguyens Жыл бұрын
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