Tower Controller reprimands pilots in Phoenix. Real ATC Audio

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[@nercopolis99]

This dialogue is SO much more entertaining than any mainstream movies or shows in the past 5 years.

[@KurtSchwind]

Pilot got all upset. But it was pilot error. The protocol is to read out callsign and repeat instructions.

[@BenjaminGatti]

The protocol on approach is to assign an approach and get a single read back containing the call sign, runway assigned, and specific approach in a single transmission. There is no such thing as progressive approach clearance.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@BenjaminGattinobody is talking about a progressive approach clearance. Not sure what you mean.

[@Lukeduke7773]

Dunno man sounded like the pilot read back the callsign on the clearance then the controller didn’t acknowledge his call but rather read back the clearance again at which point the pilot was like wtf mate.

[@UberDude]

@@Lukeduke7773the last call the pilot did read back the callsign. The reason the controller repeated it was because even though the pilot read back the callsign, he never read back the runway assignment. You must readback everything with your callsign. You might be able to get away with abbreviated version at smaller airports, but if that pilot goes to runway 25 instead of 26 and the controller never checks the pilots readback, then that’s the controllers ass.

[@mafp22w]

I’d love to force ATC to say PHX APP, after every transmission. It is a lie that you can’t recognize a voice after they have already given their call sign. Their voice after that point becomes their call sign. Government workers only care about one thing: keeping their jobs.

[@bellancasupervikingn623am6]

I also got a slight reprimand from Phoenix Approach back a few years ago for not acknowledging my call sign after read back. since then I have never forgotten my call sign after read back. Phoenix controllers are a bit hard, but I'm glad for they keep us safe when in there control. Thank you PHX.

[@stevebrooks7197]

That is the bottom line, "Keep us safe"!

[@Doitology]

Does your callsign change with each flight? If so, I feel like it could get confusing having different call signs every flight. "Delta 15....err oops that was my last flight, Delta 1725."

[@stevebrooks7197]

It's not really that difficult. I think being a dick on the radio is STUPID!@@Doitology

[@elifield7149]

@@JC-wj5osno

[@robertd7073]

The phone number to call was over the top....no need for that.... other than that, I think I ATC did ok.

[@bryan1637]

My favorite part he kept being a dick with the next controller 😂

[@enriqueosuna]

And that earned him a call for possible pilot deviation and the opportunity to meet the chief pilot.

[@philmiller2465]

Nah, the deviation was probably from approach. They were totally by the book with Tower, if a bit overwrought.

[@enriqueosuna]

@@philmiller2465 I agree, but pretty sure the Tower controller enjoyed relaying the request from approach to the American pilot.

[@ryanjordan1083]

@@enriqueosuna The "I thinkkkk I know why youre frustrated..." was the best part of the video for sure.

[@excavatoree]

@@enriqueosunaDo you believe this guy got to meet with the chief pilot? (I have it on good authority there are no snacks.)

[@A.J.1656]

Just about 4 hours ago I was landing at PHX and the approach controller cleared me to a lower altitude, assigned a heading, speed and cleared me for the visual for 26. I read it all back and forgot to say the runway assignment. She checked to verify my landing clearance. I apologized and read the clearance back properly. I didn't get all triggered and I didn't end up with a phone number. Hmm...

[@SidewaysEightSix]

So you’re saying you’re a calm collected mature adult? ;)

[@A.J.1656]

@@SidewaysEightSix I don't know if that is a true statement. When I cinch up my necktie and walk out my front door, I go into pilot mode. I get home, take the tie off and go back to being the goofball I've always been. Haha

[@SpaceDad42]

Your mother is proud of you.

[@A.J.1656]

@@SpaceDad42 Yes, she is.

[@ironsirengaming9811]

@@A.J.1656 So that was you unprofessionally reading back all of your approach clearances?

[@LiamBeatzz]

"you seem nice and calm" that was so funny after the fact

[@littlepippin8445]

Sarcastic. Unnecessary comms.

[@TVADSNOW799]

Passive aggressive...

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Trying to use jealousy to bait the incompetent pilot. Not the correct use of radio. Gas lighting ATC baiting an incompetent pilot on frequency. Noone comes out this looking professional.

[@flyingtime5501]

And it showed arrogance. No need to bring another pilot into the situation as if he wanted her to take sides!

[@ernieszelepcsenyi5710]

Yeah that was a "richard" move by ATC

[@kbrown1350]

Part of the ATC's job is guiding the flights properly and also verifying that the pilot understands the instructions and that is why they require a read-back. Controller was correct and pilot was triggered because he got called out for being lazy.

[@kuckoo9036]

Controller wasn't wrong. Pilot took it personal and was being a dick about it. Whether you feel like it or not, gotta read back. End of story.

[@A.J.1656]

More like I have a number for you to call. To be continued...

[@darwinawardcommittee]

Especially with all the close calls and runway incursions recently. I swear I’ve heard this crybaby AA pilot arguing with co trollers in the past.

[@williamfrank7565]

controller was not wrong...... just RUDE

[@imtheman4805]

@williamfrank7565 Rather be a Rude ATC than a polite ATC that has a fatal occurrence on his record. These are Alpha Dogs so hurt feelings are for sissy’s

[@FlightX101]

@@williamfrank7565well when you tell someone whos in the right that they arent doing their job right expect to hear something rude lol

[@svenf1]

How bizarre. ATC in the US cuts us a lot of slack, but some things just have to be read back, such as e.g. runway numbers. No idea why he got so defensive about his incomplete readbacks.

[@jimgandee2570]

American 1479- you’re a highly paid professional flight crew! You know the rules and the proper phraseology which has been established with the blood of others that have crashed. Read back all ATC instructions and runway assignments with your call sign! Get with the program and stop being so snooty!

[@BryanOliver-fc9jd]

That’s why the other guy took over…not sure if it was the FO or Capt that was the original PM…

[@rextuller3498]

seems like the other guy had a younger voice, seemed like the FO but could be completely wrong@@BryanOliver-fc9jd

[@Schumagin]

It was captain inflight, FO on gnd doing the coms. I bet the FO was so embarrassed 😂

[@twister4489]

Highly paid?

[@reynaldneron9012]

Highly paid, not sure... professional, nope...

[@carolj5090]

I’m a retired controller with 40 years in Tower, TRACON, and Center. I also hold an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate. Luckily these situations are very rare, I only had problems a few times with pilots. Proper phraseology is imperative to a safe ATC system.

[@ironsirengaming9811]

Under what ARTCC were you providing radar service?

[@lfgarza]

Thank you for reassuring the public.

[@sean2015]

I'm PPC holder (50 hours of instrument). I'm in the Controller's corner here. Pilots should be reading back their call signs to eliminate any ambiguity, it only takes an extra second. In the pilot's defense though, he wasn't trying to be lazy. He was just trying to abbreviate his transmissions to keep the frequency clear. But his attitude upon being chided by ATC was unprofessional.

[@GT-bz9nc]

the one that doesn’t field stupid questions

[@matthewluna727]

What happens if the pilot has a speech impediment?

[@gretzkysyotes]

"Do you need a phone number?" "Not gonna waste my time". Oh, well....in that case, yes.....yes you are LOL

[@ManualFlying]

Heard this audio awhile back, glad you have the longer version (with Tower's exchange). I can't imagine the other pilot working in the cockpit at that instance. Now they both have to file paper work and call the number... The proper ATC radio communication is even longer than what is mentioned here. In the real world, a lot of abbreviations and non conformance exist to save time. But what the ATC is asking here is quite reasonable. 1) you don't want the wrong a/c reading back, especially if there are multiple a/c with similar call signs or flight numbers. 2) you don't want the correct a/c landing into the wrong parallel runway, which PHX has 3) no matter how righteous the pilot feels, they should be able to control their emotions and carry on their day.

[@insomnia20422]

And on top he was switched from 25 to 26 so the ATC needed to know for sure if they truly are going for 26...

[@hilman94]

one thing for sure, don't ever mess up with people who are meant to keep your safety in the air... i just remember atc - pilot conversation in new york (with aer lingus i believe), and the atc just made that plane turned in circle because that plane wanted to fly to direct waypoint, instead of the traffic at that time...

[@callief4778]

Agreed. Especially since PHX is an American hub there are going to be lots of company around.

[@Timothy_Texan]

The pilot’s unprofessional radio work and attitude shocked me.

[@RLTtizME]

Really???

[@Timothy_Texan]

@@RLTtizME really

[@RLTtizME]

@@Timothy_Texan OMG...shocked say you...don't have a breakdown....really.

[@enriqueosuna]

@@RLTtizME I am an airline pilot and his attitude was petulant and unprofessional. So, I was shocked as well that his ego got the best of him and probably conceded him a meeting with the American Phoenix hub chief pilot.

[@RLTtizME]

@@enriqueosuna So did you start sweating and shaking with incredulity and shock? Tough crowd don't you agree.

[@MMulcair]

I love how the young-sounding pilot in Skywest reads back better than the presumably experienced American dude.

[@captaingregger]

If ATC corrects you, thank them, maybe even apologize and move forward. Drop the attitude, captains. It’s pointless when you’re the one who is wrong.

[@raccuia1]

The pommie American 1479 pilot was in the wrong. As many egotistical creatures do they don't accept responsibility for their actions but instead shift blame elsewhere. The pommie pilot shifted blame and acted like a complete jockstrap. All this while he was the custodian of passengers and crew in a dangerous situation - flying. This is how people get killed because of creatures like him.

[@Kartkid024]

I don't think it was that he corrected, but how he was correcting him. All supportive for air traffic control, but that was unprofessional for both sides.

[@BillPalmer]

The proper response was “oops, sorry, AA1479” then do it correctly.

[@ply17410]

Lack of professionalism in the cockpit has doomed many.

[@richarduhde9624]

That's why I will never fly.

[@xerxestelevision6666]

@@richarduhde9624and yet you’ll take the risk of getting on the road every single day with thousands of other motor vehicle operators whom you apparently trust to be more reliable than a single highly trained professional in spite of the facts telling us driving is far more dangerous.

[@SuperMcfly12]

There are some things that aren’t required but we all know runway assignments and callsign are. Come on, guys.

[@bayouflier6641]

I love the way his whole attitude changed after hearing the words "possible pilot deviation".

[@TommyRaines]

It was the other pilot at that point

[@PantelisKokkalis]

the other pilot took over.

[@9Ballr]

"American 1479, cleared visual approach, runway 26" "Yup" "American 1479, cleared visual approach, runway 26" "Sure thing" "American 1479, cleared visual approach, runway 26" "What's your problem?!?!"

[@rael5469]

The second pilot was professional. The first pilot has the wrong temperament for airline flying.

[@rael5469]

@@08turboSS You sound like one yourself. Let me guess......Trump supporter.

[@goonzmx]

@@rael5469what does any of this have to do with politics tf? Grow up

[@rael5469]

@@goonzmx Just as I thought, a foul mouthed, deplorable, racist, Trump supporter.

[@ytnsanw]

@@08turboSS You sound like Pilot 1 in this video - a dickhead...

[@benparks3564]

@@08turboSS No foreigners on our fit decks? You are the definition of the words 'arrogant' and 'bigot'. Time to get off your high horse.

[@idonthaveanamenoone3526]

Holy crap when the second controller hits them with the deviation rofl.

[@HCMCDrives]

When he started reading it back slowly on purpose - that was great - clear to understand, easy to spot mistakes. Every readback should be like that.

[@mzaite]

Yea but if you can’t be all terse and gravely, why bother even being on the radio?

[@nigel2769]

Wrong answer…at busy airports you have to be efficient on the radio…ATC does not have the time to babysit!

[@ProfessorDIY]

The controllers were much nicer than I would have been with this incompetent pilot

[@Rod3E900]

Nice to know we have children flying airliners out there...

[@rcfred_689]

Not sure I would want the pilot of my airplane in an argument with the tower when he is supposed to be concentrating on landing the airplane

[@bobboberson2024]

Thank god this is in 4K!

[@EdWeibe]

yeah I went out and got a new 4K tv just to watch this on. ahhh kidding folks.

[@TheRacerRich]

The way the pilot was sarcastically speaking once he was upset honestly is how all ATC communication should be if safety were properly respected by all involved.

[@mikebarker9187]

Ding Ding Ding Ding! Generally speaking, all pilots and all controllers blurt out words and phrases so abruptly and quickly I don’t see how anybody understand anything. (I’m just a “layman” not in the industry.)

[@mzaite]

@@mikebarker9187You get used to it. Especially because you know where the flow is going.

[@ToddWilhelm]

@@mikebarker9187 It sounds like a foreign language to someone not in the industry, but the pilots and controllers speak the language fluently!

[@dwightbernheimer331]

If the controller in the tower was from Phoenix Arizona the pilot's lucky that controller graduated high school.. 'Nuff said!!!

[@jeffro221]

@@dwightbernheimer331 So many people these days with an inflated ego who imagine themselves superior. Like this guy, they are now everywhere. And no, I'm not from Phoenix Arizona.

[@TheTLElliott]

Being 99% compliant in the cockpit is a recipe for disaster. Some supervisor needs to listen to this, then brace that pilot up against the wall for a career discussion.

[@charlesfaure1189]

And end-of-career discussion. When the personality is the problem, the person is unsuited to the profession.

[@widgeonrblx8543]

Pilots at fault, also giving an attitude after the fact smh 🤦

[@gotacallfromvishal]

Huh? What about the other pilot who was reading back correctly and without sass? Do you even know who was flying? I feel bad for the other pilot he got dragged into this stupid situation instead of just going home or to his next flight.

[@motrock93b]

@@gotacallfromvishal It was the captain having the hissy fit. The voice changed during taxi because First Officer's handle the ground communications. The First Officer was flying, and the immature captain was the one messing up the ATC communications.

[@gotacallfromvishal]

@@motrock93b there's no rule that FO handle coms

[@motrock93b]

@@gotacallfromvishal Of course not, but SOP for most airlines is for the F/O to handle ground communications. It’s rare in the U. S. for the Captain to perform that function.

[@stateniland]

the last thing I want to hear as a flyer is an argument in the cockpit!

[@fivestringslinger]

Seeing a lot of videos from various creators lately with pilots being extremely rude and unprofessional with controllers. As a pilot building hours toward my commercial, all I gotta say is: If you're that unhappy with your jobs, I'll trade you any day. You're flying an airplane for a living. Smile. You've got the coolest job in the world.

[@mzaite]

It seems that way when your working up. But it’s still a job at the end of the day. Usually the stuff around the getting to fly a plane is what drags on you over time. The “Getting to fly a plane for money” tends to undermine getting real QoL in the rest of the job.

[@ATop1x]

Just a bus driver in the sky but even more boring. Travel straight lines for hrs

[@xSterlingxX]

Upon further investigation, it was revealed that the pilot was subjected to a breathalyzer test, which detected the presence of alcohol in his system. This finding is a severe breach of aviation safety protocols, as pilots are strictly prohibited from consuming alcohol within a certain period before operating an aircraft. As a result of the alcohol detection and the breach of protocol, the pilot faced immediate termination from his position at American Airlines. This incident underscores the critical importance of adhering to safety regulations in the aviation industry to ensure the safety of passengers, crew, and aircraft.

[@doctwiggenberry5324]

There is a right way and a wrong way to communicate. This pilot is not king of the airways, he needs to be set down and get further training.

[@747heavyboeing3]

It's not a training issue it's an attitude issue.

[@diane8937]

And lose his obnoxious attitude!

[@charlesfaure1189]

Fired. Unprofessional attitude is a safety hazard.

[@vicO1323]

The co-pilot took over plane's comm on the ground. The ATC was frustrated with the pilot for not using proper comm procedures. I'm sure AA will hear about it and take measures to correct this pilot.

[@marcusoreillius9966]

No, I don't think so. I think the "second" voice you hear IS the Captain. The culprit in this video making a mockery of proper radio etiquette is the First Officer.

[@flyinute]

@@marcusoreillius9966no, it’s the captain being the unprofessional dick on the radio in the air. The First Officer handles the radios on the ground.

[@BAKER22-l4u]

Idiotic

[@motrock93b]

@@marcusoreillius9966 No. The First Officer is the one who handles ground communications. The immature cry baby was the captain.

[@marcusoreillius9966]

@@motrock93b Usually yes, but in the case that the Captain is the “pilot flying” then the First Officer would the “pilot not flying” and make the communication calls both inflight and on the ground. My take was the second voice interjected himself bc he was a tired of it as we are. Can a Captain be delegated to SIC? Yes, if he works for a woke corporation like American Airlines, the F/O can, if a protected class, can run roughshod over him. If this is the case, it will not be the last time I’ve seen an F/O “run” as in setting the tempo for how the cockpit (flight deck-AA) works.

[@BlackBarney]

missing a runway assignment readback seems really major since if they land on the wrong runway, people could die

[@mzaite]

Could be worse, they could be CommutAir a couple years back and just miss the runway entirely.

[@mikeanderson9266]

The tower is kind of smart asses imho.

[@DouglasTechReviews]

love the #2 having to step in because #1 is acting like a toddler having a hissy fit

[@rickyjanzen6684]

Felt like the captain took off his headset to fume for a minute the first time the FO took over. Glad most of flying is automated now and not fully reliant on the emotions of an ill-tempered pilot.

[@marcusoreillius9966]

I read it exactly opposite. No way mister happy I'm just here to chat was the Captain. I'm sure the Captain has put up with this F/O's shenagins for not just the duration of this flight, but for more before. After all, this could be day 3 of a 3-day trip and he's put up with it for a while. When you have a generational separation, actually disciplining small stuff like this will get you eye-rolls and complaints to the Chief Pilot of their base of operations.

[@DouglasTechReviews]

​@@marcusoreillius9966 Ok so i may have misinterpreted who was #1 &#2 i get that but it's just not acceptable to mis-readback instructions (that's basic) and then throw your toys out of the pram when you're picked up on it by someone who's job it is to make sure it's done correctly it's all on the tapes after all and a good controller would be picked up on it if he let that slide you mentioned it could be day 3 of 3 WHO CARES ? if you can't do the job correctly don't do it and an 'eye roll' from a Chief Pilot at an Ops Base explains why these things happen way too often Communication is Key If you get it wrong then that's when accidents happen and after all these guys are bus drivers, it's about the passengers safety, not their ego (20+ years of working on ATC Advanced Systems Research Projects & Training Students, Controllers and Instructors at Institutions across the world)

[@afihaileywibowo1095]

​@@DouglasTechReviewsas an outsider and passenger, I also got the feeling the #2 was the one who took over.

[@MeerkatADV]

Very simple, you MUST use your callsign.

[@tzadiko]

Best part is he also didn't follow the taxi instructions

[@belafontelife9781]

I was like “wow this thumbnail looks really fake”. But also, “better safe than sorry…”

[@DarthEvilicus]

The pilot is totally in the wrong here. Pilots have standard phraseology for a reason, it’s to make sure everyone is on the same page and there is no ambiguity with clearances.

[@efoxxok7478]

As a retired controller I would say the controller was correct in wanting a full read back on the clearances HOWEVER…. This doesn’t really rise to the level of a pilot deviation. The reason controllers need full read backs is because sometimes parts of a transmission do get cut off. In this case there was one transmission by the controller that had the numbers but omitted the company identifier. If the pilots were smart they would just say they were giving their full call sign every time and for some reason it wasn’t coming through. Either way I’m sure nothing came of this

[@insomnia20422]

i think the ATC advised possible pilot deviation because he was acting like a child and wanted to argue with the ATC over the radio...

[@officebear4637]

@@insomnia20422yeah exactly. The controller was being a petty prick just like the pilot was.

[@SpaceDad42]

Notes taken.

[@robertd7073]

"WHEN ATC AND THE CAPTAIN HAVE THEIR PERIOD IN THE SAME WEEK" DANGEROUS.... THERE, I FIXED THE TITLE

[@tentacle218]

Kinda shocking to hear controllers enunciate well.

[@frankiebhoyz2169]

That's worrying.. if he is annoyed about having to use the the correct phrases. What else is he not doing in the cockpit that he should be..

[@BAKER22-l4u]

WTF is WRONG with you

[@motrock93b]

Excellent point. You can tell in the First Officer's voice while communicating with Ground Control that he is also sick of it. Imagine having to fly with such a captain for an entire series of flights.

[@paulcoinc]

I have a feeling the tower isn't the last conversation he will have about this. The one with the chief pilot is the one that he may need to be really afraid of. He may want to call a union rep right after the tower.

[@16vr68]

How the hell this guy made it to a Part 121 seat is beyond me.

[@RLTtizME]

I have been looking for one of those for months.

[@ilynx2008]

Yes sir,I totaly agree with you! He sounded like a spoiled teen! What a shame!

[@coreyenglish8706]

He’s in the left seat too.

[@mzaite]

Some people just interview good.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Cutbacks must be causing psych tests to get dropped from interviews. Sad.

[@gregtomkins5938]

I used to listen to YVR Tower all the time and I remember there was a local controller there who instead of (eg) "Time 1358 Vancouver Tower cleared downwind left for runway one-two, contact Vancouver Tower on 118.7 at the VOR" would say "Time 1358 VOR 18-7 for twelve". Good times.

[@TaylorBronn]

great video

[@brycedenning130]

Flying out of Phoenix, certain controllers have a tendency to escalate such situations simply by the tone of their voice. I recently flew the Bravo transition south, and missed adding my callsign. The approach controller became borderline hostile on frequency. Apologetic I reiterated with my callsign and moved on. Though I was definitely annoyed about the treatment. That being said, the pilot was pretty childish and should have been more professional here.

[@insomnia20422]

The ATC here and in your case is right though. If you cant ignore a stressed tone of voice, pilot isnt the right profession.

[@brycedenning130]

@@insomnia20422 of course ATC was right, but he didn’t have to bite my head off about it. I don’t get belligerent with ATC, and there have been plenty of opportunities to do so. Professionalism is a two way street.

[@jeffstewart724]

They've got plenty to sort out without needing to be confused on ANY detail. It is their responsibility to coordinate every craft full of human souls to arrive safely and orderly.

[@HowlingWo1f]

You’re flying a plane, not riding a bike, and need to adhere to the rules and regulations, otherwise there can be a serious miscommunication leave your ego out of it, especially when you have a plan full of passengers.

[@kewkabe]

@@brycedenning130I'm ATC and we get regular proficiency checks where the supervisor is plugged in listening. If you let anything at all slide (like a readback without the callsign, even if it's clearly the same person), you get written up for it. No way am I going to have a failed check ride on my record just because a pilot is feeling lazy, so that's why you might get an attitude from ATC.

[@alexsakon]

How is this guy flying commercial if he can’t do a proper read back that everyone is required to do

[@robd4376]

Phoenix approach was absolutely, positively correct! I learned basic radio communication when I was a private pilot at a controlled field! Hello McFly….American Airlines pilot!

[@xray606]

It's one thing when you're by yourself and the only guy in the pattern, but airliners at large airports need to be by the book.

[@love2fly558]

Including your call sign is 2nd nature, same goes with reading back the rwy, especially on a clearance. I remember I once read back “holdshort on rwy 5”, ATC replied “No, holdshort rwy 5” and rightly so made me read back w/o the preposition.

[@mzaite]

Because on means your ON runway 5 and holding short. And that would be bad.

[@love2fly558]

That’s my point, needs to be clear. In my mind, my “on” really meant “at”.

[@hishamhassan4600]

First lesson in aviation: never let your emotions get in the way. Stay professional , if you want to talk about something you didn't like ,ask for initials and a phone number.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Pilot shortages putting jerks in the cockpit is a recipe for disaster. Glad ATC holding the line.

[@ma2566]

Oh I see what happened, he forgot to say “26” that time. Pilot error

[@DropdudeJohn]

That guy should not be in any cockpit

[@BAKER22-l4u]

And you should get counseling

[@charlesfaure1189]

@@BAKER22-l4u Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to comment and remove all doubt.

[@AliensAnonymous]

As a frequent flyer the last thing I want to hear is ATC arguing with the pilot

[@user-ur7qh2mu3k]

Or an arrogant pilot getting all poopy pants at the controls of a multi million dollar jet, hundreds of lives in the back, and my precious unmentionables in the overhead.

[@Bothomas-vm5hz]

about 8 years ago i was based out of lax starting my airline career for compass as a copilot for an AA Regional carrier and there was some frustration in the tower because of language dialect issues for some intl carriers arriving not all but some which is understandable. Most of the errors were related to read backs. A buddy of mine works for new york center and he says they deal with the same issues occasionally.

[@mzaite]

I had a student who was from Taiwan and read-backs were his kryptonite. He had been in the states since early high school, but languages like Chinese have a tough time with “in-between” words. He’s good now, but yea, some languages are shaped really different from english.

[@jerrybutler605]

When i took my class for my private pilot license, it was preached over and again to follow all the instructions including my call sign.

[@toddrf4058]

The place for an exchange is not in the highest workload segment of flight. After the third error the controller should have worked the flight to the ground without protest, and then once the aircraft was off the active runway, called with a number. Keep the hostile ATC voices off the freq and deal with the pilot when tapes can be pulled. I see fault with professionalism on both ATC and the pilots side here. The job is to safely recover the aircraft, not add more fuel to the fire. When ATC starts talking about phone numbers as the aircraft is landing that adds stress into a critical segment and reduces safety.

[@pearljam_1]

Exactly. ATC is not excused from professionalism just because of an incident like this. Pilot was wrong clearly. What happened after was just ATC trying to escalate a situation. Both parties should be reprimanded.

[@maxflight777]

the controllers were superb here !

[@caseydietz6466]

F-5’s Sniper 11 and 22 were reprimanded by ZAB Tucson sector on 3/2 at ~19:34 for busting into R-2310A and then were notified of possible pilot deviation at KIWA ground at ~19:50

[@robertd7073]

What?

[@bighathosting]

The rules are extremely important to avoid miscommunication. The pilot knows the rules but the ATC was the cause for the unnecessary escalation. It's not like there was anyone else talking to that ja.

[@bravomike09]

If I was in the other seat of American 1479 (Captain or FO) I would not fly with that pilot again. I would also report him to professional standards. "Pro Standards" is the union (APA) representative that avoids involvement of management.

[@BAKER22-l4u]

Lol..get counseling

[@motrock93b]

The immature pilot on the radio was the captain. You can tell because the voice changed during taxi, because First Officers handle ATC ground communications.

[@pauldavies4870]

Last thing you need is a stress pilot on final.

[@andremichau2455]

Last thing you need is pilot landing on the wrong runway

[@alberickmendes6472]

Great to learn 😅

[@GregBman]

These callouts are important if a mishap or accident occurs. Some airports are stickers about call sign callouts, but approach and runway confirmations are most important. This pilot was all over the place. ATC was pretty patient until the end.

[@-108-]

That pilot sounds like the same guy who was having readback issues at KJFK. Same voice, same accent, same airline, same exact issue and sarcastic "staccato" readback of flight number.

[@mzaite]

Be funny if it was the same trip!

[@Chuckina_]

I thought of the same thing!!

[@Rennyteam359]

Seems to be a new breed of controllers coming out of school however, it might be a good idea for more aircrews to visit some of the facilities and witness the atmosphere in the tower and IFR room, especially during a peak periods. Not including my military controlling years, I peronally had the opportunity to work the slowest to the busiest facilities the FAA had at the time. Each facility had it's own flavor of operation. The one ingredient that never changed was attention to detail. One of a controllers worst nightmares is miss identification or assuming an aircraft is going to do what you expect it to and it doesn't. My aircrew friends are also under pressure. Fatigue from some of the schedules they are faced with that many times includes sleep deprvation due to their schedules. Some crews having to take flights from out of town just to get to their assigned trip. We all want to vent. Not sure transmitting frustrations over the air is the best policy. Attention to detail however, must remain high on both sides. It is part of the job.

[@Carguylogan]

Man that pilot was SNAPPY 😬

[@edgoodwin5220]

American crew is definitely too casual with their comms and deserve a reminder of what’s required. Unusual for a pro crew.

[@fletkri4981]

Never. Call. The. Number!

[@mzaite]

Sure if you’re a renter in a private plane. An airline, they just call your dispatch, dispatch tells ATC, FAA, and your boss who you are, and then things…escalate.

[@fletkri4981]

@@mzaiteNope 😂

[@robertd7073]

IF I WAS CAPTAIN, I WOULD SAY UNABLE TO COPY PHONE NUMBER UNTIL PARKED AT GATE... ONCE AT THE GATE I WOULD TURN OFF THE RADIO

[@user-vq4wt3dd8g]

As a military instructor pilot, we emphasized the proper use of call signs. This pilot was not adhering to proper radio usage.

[@MrNiceGuy82]

The controller decided to play the standard phraseology game while having no regard for standard phraseology himself. The pilot was in the wrong on the first two transmission by not ending with his callsign, but he fixed it and read back the third instruction without error. The controller continued to berate the pilot for no good reason. Then the tower controller had absolutely no regard for phraseology, intentionally antagonizing the pilot. ATC was completely in the wrong here.

[@20PINKluvr]

English captain flying an AMERICAN airline

[@sunbulah9779]

The pilot read back instructions correctly along with the call sign but the controller is deaf

[@StrGrpp4]

flight school 101, use your callsigns correctly. this pilot was clearly tired or undisciplined

[@mzaite]

Undisciplined, good discipline still holds up when tired. That’s why it’s discipline.

[@winfriedwilcke1705]

or drunk

[@joshuamartinez7304]

The big boys like to use alot of slang in their transmissions. They use " climbing to two five zero" which could be misunderstood as 2250 or what have you. Or they hop on the freq and use only thier flight number to accept a freq change or alt,speed,or crossing restriction. They most definitely have a more relaxed view on radio edict than others..

[@thomaslembessis6803]

That same type of “slang” caused FTL 66 to crash years ago, while on approach.. In that case it was broken English. Controller said “Descend two four zero zero” , when he meant descend to 2400 ft. The FTL crew interpreted the transmission as “Descend TO 400 feet” while miles from the airport

[@joshuamartinez7304]

True. I would be definitely asking for another read back after ATC telling me to decend and maintain 400ft though. That's way to low.

[@ken91773]

No one is ever given a clearance to 2250’. 😂

[@ronwade2206]

Phoenix airspace is very busy, not the only major airport around here! Call sign isn't optional.

[@Bdoodee]

The American pilot was so hostile because he just got a new contract and isnt happy about the weight of that new big bag of gold he now has to tote around.

[@mzaite]

He’s still making a Dime to his bosses Dollar.

[@EllsworthJohnson-ui1xm]

Should be 9 cents to the dollar@@mzaite

[@castoresnegros]

The Tower control really got his straight !! LOL

[@pkelly3463]

The decay of professional courtesy has even reached commercial aviation. That's what happens when standards are lowered.

[@mzaite]

That’s what happens when professionalism is expected from time clock punching fungible HR units. Professionals run their own practices and get punished for being shit at it by going out of business. There needs to be a different word than “professional” to describe behaving like a grownup employee.

[@pkelly3463]

@mzaite I think it is this sense of entitlement that permeates our society especially in social media.

[@robertd7073]

These are white pilots..... they had full standards

[@scotthunter37]

Pilot was completely wrong on multiple calls, and I feel the controller's passive-aggressive approach to reprimanding the pilot further escalated the situation. Doing a full re-read of the instruction with added emphasis on the part he didn't read back was a bit pedantic, just tell him upfront what he needs to read back, next time he doesn't do it, tell him flat out it's a deviation. Just my two cents. End of the day though, pilot was wrong and doubled-down big time on being a man child in the cockpit of an A320 with probably around 150 souls in the back. Get this guy some damn counseling.

[@BradWillis]

I'm not a pilot, but even I know the rules. You screw up, be polite and humble and you probably won't end up with a phone number to call.

[@WheelerRickRambles]

Drama…in the skies…over my house & millions of others!

[@insomnia20422]

That pilot clearly has had a bad day or some anger issues. But acting like a child is really not it. If the ATC prefers you to make accurate callbacks you gotta do it. If there is an accident ATC is in the shit if you didnt read back the runway and crash into an airplane on 25... The ATC just voiced his demands for the pilot to accurately callback. The pilot then mocked him by saying if there was an communication problem. The ATC did everything very well and I think it should be standard to be more accurate on the radio to reduce confusion. And even the pilot deviation, although not a huge one, might be possible because he didnt accurately callback and then started to argue with the ATC when he wanted accurate callbacks.

[@nosterdamas9950]

That “you seem nice and kind” killed me 😂

[@SIX6SIXer]

American 1-4-7-9's wife took off with a 26 year old... the assignment was hitting a lil too close to home.

[@ohioguy215]

I don't blame the wife one bit.

[@SheAirFire]

Too many recent incidents to get ur panties in a wod because you decided to shorthand and they called you on it.

[@kiwidiesel]

I can taste the salt from here😂😂😂

[@b1ngnx33]

SO HAPPY I LEFT THE AVIATION INSANITY!!!!

[@tr7b410]

What is interesting to note is the ATC guys did not let it go.Once the captain turned comms over to his copilot he thought he was in the clear. Any diminishing of your mental capabilities will be challenged.

[@thatairplaneguy]

The controller needs to chill a little but the pilot does need to correct himself.

[@motrock93b]

That pilot made omission after omission. The controller handled it with patience, until he didn't. Perfectly acceptable to quickly explain what the captain was doing wrong in his readbacks, because it was adding to the workload and possible confusion. I'm glad the controller insisted on clear read backs, so a potentially dangerous situation was avoided (landing on the wrong runway, accepting a different plane's clearance).

[@GreasergalOG]

Obviously you know how dangerous miscommunications can be in that circumstance. There is a reason things are worded the way they are and it’s to make sure everyone is on the same page. Complacency kills.

[@MaricopaJeff]

I hope that crews boss heard this tape.

[@stevebrooks7197]

As a retired AA pilot, I apologize for my fellow company pilots' failure to follow proper radio procedures and horrible, emotional responses. I do not know the outcome of this event, but I certainly hope the AA Chief Pilot was not contacted!

[@jcheck6]

Hey, he could have been a former AW or USAir pilot not necessarily a professional AA pilot. My retirement badge says DAL but I am really a NERD (Never Ever Really Delta).

[@stevebrooks7197]

@@jcheck6 you have a good point!

[@danpolk]

Pilot needs to be grounded.

[@henryford2736]

He probably got away with it with other controllers. Must have been his habit incorrect read back. I find it very unusual out of a sudden he would use incorrect read back.

[@ericblair5731]

His very first read back in this tape merely acknowledges the transmission without fully repeating the elements. ATC did not comment on that first readback. From the pilots perspective a ATC went from relaxed and accepting of acknowledgement without read back to demanding perfect responses. Neither party did a good job responding to the frustrations, but neither was doing the right thing all the time. They need to be more accepting of each other and try to work together.

[@robertd7073]

JFK AND LA GUARDIA PREFER SUPER SHORT TRANSMISSIONS.... THEY ALSO DEAL WITH MORE NON NATIVE SPEAKERS.... ATC WAS ON THEIR PERIOD, SO WAS THE OLD CAPTAIN