Towing 11,000 pounds with a Ford F-150 Lightning... MAXED OUT!

[@SupernovaeTech]

Now we need the Rivian retested and both the HMMWV EV and Hummer EV tested the same way. A leaderboard of electric trucks with towing range and acceleration would be pretty sweet as more options reach the market.

[@kingzach74]

He already tested the Rivian.

[@SupernovaeTech]

@@kingzach74 It would be interesting to see how much the range improves in warmer weather

[@hazard_209]

​@@SupernovaeTech plus tires and figuring the tongue weight in.

[@Mr_MikeMikeMike]

@@kingzach74 hence the "retested"

[@bitelogger]

Totally agreed

[@alkalk8938]

That backup assist is awesome for backing a jetski trailer, those short trailers are a PIA. With the rear camera and the backup assist it a POC...Piece Of Cake!

[@jd5179]

12 secs while towing 10k lbs of weight is insane

[@roosoorschot93]

While going up!

[@XLRSAv]

My Honda Ridgeline does that by itself on a dry day! 😅

[@chadd587]

Range: 50 miles

[@blue_ig1]

@@chadd587 it had about a hundred

[@chadd587]

@@blue_ig1 lol yeah on a full charge too

[@danieltaylor4819]

Try it in the wintertime, when it's snowing and blowing with outside temp of 10 degrees. That would be interesting.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Yeah with the heater blasting

[@Johnny-es1wl]

Lol, 5 miles at best.

[@bfields1448]

Junk

[@Ragranos]

Nah then you guys would just invent some other niche unlikely scenario where ICE beats EV. You search for the conditions that make EVs bad because you're scared.

[@EVMan298]

Only if he tests a fossil powered truck under the same conditions.

[@davidhuber6251]

It's nice seeing a test like this with no obvious bias. Good job.

[@XLRSAv]

Nothing like Zack pushing the limits of every vehicle!

[@YAHUWAHISKING]

You mean shilling

[@Mr.BobsDog]

You mean pineapple

[@andrasbrunczel3777]

He is pushing literally everything to its limits

[@kyohiromitsu4010]

Too much monry

[@techs1smh13]

I want the H1 take my DMAX engine trans install.

[@MumstheThird]

That's my e-GOLF charging next to you that's rated for 124 miles. It's crazy that you can match my range while towing 10K.

[@coldnapalmFJ]

Well the lightning was 100k how much was your golf cart ?

[@MumstheThird]

@coldnapalmFJ MSRP was $31K, back in 2017. But the dealer discounted it $4K, NY state paid for $2K, and then I got the $7.5k federal rebate, so not factoring taxes and registration, I paid $17.5k and VW fiananced it at 0%.

[@shawntoadally]

I want to see this done with the Rivian again, under the same conditions (spring weather, road tires). If you do, it would be good to know if Rivian has provided any software updates since your first towing test (perhaps they've improved the range estimations when towing and/or added options to see more data on the screen).

[@navithefairy]

Especially the cold weather makes a really big difference

[@zachbendixen21]

Rivian increased the range by around 20 miles since his test via a software update.

[@cruiser97eric1]

Also the route followed and the average speed needs to be the same to have a fair comparison.

[@SaltySouthTexan]

@@navithefairy Not in a gasoline truck!

[@SaltySouthTexan]

@@zachbendixen21 20 whole miles??? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I could almost make it halfway out of the ranch.

[@raysmith4309]

Excellent, honest test of the Lightening. For the moment I had already ruled out EV's, as we have a travel trailer and needing to stop every 100 miles or so and wait 30+ minutes to charge is not practical. Thanks for your report

[@stangman962]

Also have you seen an accessible charger with a trailer attached??

[@oldmanrock7542]

Same here. Traveling with a camp trailer is not going to work with an EV.

[@wishusknight3009]

The best place I see EV Trucks working is either a local delivery or if all your work with your tool trailer is local. With in this scenario i can see these trucks having huge advantages, but perhaps not much outside that.

[@jbanken3]

@@wishusknight3009 Don't forget you can charge your EV by plugging in overnight in a campground with hookups. :)

[@wishusknight3009]

@@jbanken3 Ever charged an EV on 120volts? it takes days to do a full charge. My neighbor has just a nissan leaf, a rather modest car that he charges just on 120 volts. And a full charge on that is 24 hours from flat. This works for his use case just fine, as he puts maybe 20 or 30k a day on the car. But a truck at a campsite isn't going to get much charge unless they have 240 volt.

[@linkpaivichit7651]

Zack, your info provided, narrating, and editing really show the quality level of content you produce. I Love my Lightning and am truly thankful that you’ve developed extraordinary content of this level. I’ve never seen your vids before, nor do I know whether they’d be useful to me, but you’ve got my subscription! Have a great one!!

[@jarmis777]

You should redo the Rivian test in this same weather. I bet they’re neck and neck! The previous winter drive in the Rivian puts it at a significant disadvantage.

[@Aragorn450]

The real question would be if Rivian fixed their range estimates. That was the biggest issue with the Rivian's test...

[@jarmis777]

@@Aragorn450 that as well

[@ericroe]

The weather I'm sure played a big part of it, but remember the Rivian is more aerodynamic than the Lightning, so the Lighting will loose slightly less range than the Rivian with the non-aerodynamic load behind it.

[@jarmis777]

@@ericroe good point.

[@USUG0]

indeed, as it always comes down to aerodynamic drag, the larger frontal area of the lighting as compared to the rivian, comes in handy when towing a brick like the hummer. Poking out slightly less.

[@phakyou]

9:53 Goes to show the crazy amount of engineering that goes into making these machines efficient. No one could've seen this coming 20 years ago.

[@tschuuuls486]

Other than GM, that had an awesome electric car but killed it (GM EV1).

[@randho5150]

Elon saw it coming.

[@kyohiromitsu4010]

Yeah for all that money i could buy a semi truck

[@Ryan-sw3km]

​@@tschuuuls486 that thing was kinda a junker. The battery was crap in anything but super ideal conditions

[@ryanvirgil1395]

electric vehicles have always been more efficient than gas ones. This is why your gas engine gets so dang hot because it's less than 35% efficient (all waste heat). EV is like 85% efficient.

[@paramotorbrandon]

1:07 well the warmer temps alone will make the range go up quite a bit. Definitely do it again with the Rivian in this weather for a good comparison!

[@SN-hn9zi]

He says that at the beginning

[@kazzxtrismus]

rivian battery is heated....itll only effect the first few minutes (maybe 20 mins?)

[@derteater]

​@@kazzxtrismus wanna tell me how they heat up the batteries?

[@kingzach74]

@@kazzxtrismus That probably actually killed the range from the fact that it had to heat up the batteries.

[@wildepawthefox]

@@kazzxtrismusWarmer air is less dense, meaning it’ll have less effects on the car. The drag in hot air is smaller than cold air. Nothing to do with heated batteries

[@bryce6870]

Very insightful video! Enjoyed how you showed the reverse pilot on the Ford lighting!

[@kevinpolito1529]

Most pickup owners (ie, not people who actually use them for work), who are all hat and no cattle, won't be bothered by not being able to do work with a truck. That's why most pickups are family station wagons with a vestigial bed that won't hold sheets of plywood or drywall.

[@Caseys_jeep_that_could]

7:13 so if you switch it to one pedal mode, it actually applies full re-gen as soon as you let off. You can come to a complete stop without using the brake on one pedal too

[@JerryRigEverything]

I normally have one pedal mode enabled. But when I switched to tow mode it disabled one pedal driving.

[@Scott-sm9nm]

Good nugget there. thx. -- "SWITCHING ONE PEDAL DRIVE ON AND OFF -- Press CONTROLS; Press Drive Modes; Switch 1-Pedal Drive on or off."

[@IGmeanwell]

Yep Lightning disables one pedal while in Tow/Haul mode. Can’t really control the regen.

[@wolfpack09nh48]

Bro… it’s against physics to keep regen/stopping with a trailer attached..it can get jackknifed for being stupid

[@Scott-sm9nm]

@@wolfpack09nh48, A well designed regen system will work just like regular brakes as far as trailer towing is concerned. Regen systems can turn on the brake lights and thus trigger the trailer brakes as well just as if you manually were applying physical brakes. In a few electric vehicles I've owned the brake lights turn on during 'harder' regen. In fact, there are laws/regulations related to the G force limits when brake lights are engaged.

[@AdamEdward]

super impressive, for daily towing a lighter load with landscaping equipment etc, this would have more than enough range to get around town. good job ford!

[@lemongavine]

Around town, you’ll get much more range vs. freeway driving so yeah, it would do great for that. You could probably even have enough excess energy to charge electric mowers, trimmers, etc. from the onboard outlets. If I were starting a landscaping company, I would 100% have electric equipment and and electric truck. Cost savings would add up quickly.

[@fastfed]

And yet not 1 single professional bought this truck for professional use lmfao . Evs are useless

[@logitech4873]

@@fastfed Source: trust me bro

[@kyleftw1679]

​@@logitech4873You're a liberal, so you can't even trust your own assigned gender.

[@justing224]

@@fastfed in Madison WI, the city gas sector switched to pretty much all Lightnings

[@investingjim2801]

I am here for the drone shots....and I am not disappointed. Those snow covered mountains!

[@gcauldwell]

Now, I MUST go back and watch the entire thing again!

[@haydenwhite2413]

Great video about an amazing truck! I haven't needed to tow anything in mine yet, so this is very helpful info. Thanks!

[@JacksonPhixesPhones]

My girlfriend got her Lightning in November 2022, and I think she loves her truck more than she loves me. I'm joking of course . . . . I KNOW she does! I don't blame her, it's absolutely incredible; SO MUCH FUN TO DRIVE! 😀👍 Great video as always Zack! Thanks brother!

[@CraigMatsuura]

Love to see all trucks tow, especially here in Utah. Maybe try something many do where they tow there boat up to Strawberry go fishing and drive back down to the valley. I personally would like to see if a 18 to 20 bass boat (dual axle) can be towed to strawberry and back. Or a longer trip to Flaming Gorge, where you would need to charge on the way there. A boat is a bit more aerodynamic so it would be interesting, and less weight. BTW: Great job Zack!

[@camb9319]

Great content as always. Love the drone shots, pretty cool being able to see portions of your drive from above and following along with Google Maps. :)

[@motorv8N]

Fantastic video thanks -must admit it went further that I thought it would. Awesome reverse assist. Been backing up trailers for close on 40 years so it doesn’t intimidate me but that’s a nice feature anyway! Unfortunately that truck is still way too expensive to meet my ROI expectations as a simple weekend warrior…

[@davedavenport8673]

Have you done the Total Cost to Operate calcs? It might surprise you. Most people only calculate monthly payment since many ICE vehicles are the close to the same on other operating costs, but EVs are different. You can have higher payments because fuel is way cheaper and very little cost on maintenance.

[@dymarke]

So the last time I bought a truck was 1800 miles from home, how long would it take for me to get that same truck home if I had to stop for a 30 minute charge every 120 miles? Not even considering the time to get to the new truck. Tell me again how this makes sense?

[@glennlisagore]

Awesome content, thank you Ford for the loan. Great interesting video.

[@craigbucci7950]

Great video! The lightning did better than I thought!

[@robertdoyle8785]

I don't understand why the EV crowd keeps under estimating FoMoCo and GMs electric offerings. Yes, they aren't always going to be on the cutting edge of technology like a start up like Rivian or new kid on the block Tesla. But none in the world has more experience building pickups than they do. There is a reason Rivian made a partnership with Ford to begin with.

[@brianbaker9893]

So, this confirms, again, towing with an EV any considerable distance would be a complete pain. Great to see a station where you can tow without disconnecting the trailer though. The torque is insane and superior here, but not realistic for vast majority of regular haulers. Will be cool to see when the energy density of batteries improves!! And that 12 seconds, nuts.

[@rasberry4739]

It’s cool that your maxing out the towing and giving us the results. But most people that buy an electric truck are not towing this much. It wouldn’t mKe sense. I wanna see how far you can tow a 4000lbs travel trailer.

[@cherrytreepermaculture756]

Honestly aerodynamics matter much more than weight with an EV. Check out All Electric Family.

[@rkan2]

​@@cherrytreepermaculture756Not just EV :P

[@Marksin866]

I love your voice. You have this calm voice during teardown's you don't strain or force words just smooth and and you pronounce you words on key. You make a mistake there is no silent pause no awkwardness like you meant for it. And most people like that seem emotionless when they speak but you're not. You can hear the variations and tone changes. It's a very calming voice. You would make a very good interrogator. While someone is trying to get under your skin to make themselves fire up and become defensive. You remain calm and throw them off their game. It's just WOW! Rare to hear a voice like that.

[@ParthPatel-lc7eq]

Towing 7200lbs on 2.7L f150 drops the mileage to 9 mpg which at a 23 gallon tank thats around 207 miles a full tank. So at 10000lbs I could imagine it would be similar to the f150 lightning. For those who tow. You usually dont tow 10000lbs very long distances on a f150. You would get a bigger truck or pay someone to haul it for you. For cross country towing it would most likely go on an 18 wheeler. This is the 100kwh battery back so I wonder how much more range they could get with the 131kwh battery.

[@thebigdogsmac11]

I own a mini electric vehicle myself! Very fun to drive! It's a hoverboard! It has some power!🤣

[@MichaelSinz]

With out F150 Lightning and the 4-hour trailer (which is basically a big 25 foot long, 8.5 x 8.5 foot box (height and width) box (with rounded front), the big cost is aerodynamic drag on the highway. We get around 1 mile/kWh when doing long trips (just did 110 mile round trip yesterday) I do wish that we could get a bit more range - would need more batteries. But when you consider than the batteries in the F150 has the energy equivalent of just under 4 gallons of gasoline, that is really not a bad range while towing nearly 10,000 pounds of bulky trailer. (PS - aerodynamic drag is much more of an impact than weight when traveling at highway speeds)

[@roosoorschot93]

Exactly! It's efficient. And refining the oil also costs a lot of energy, because it happens at a few hundred degrees.

[@lesstevens2370]

I would say it has the equivalent of 7 gallons of gas because of the inefficiency of gas motors only being around 30% the rest of the fuel goes out your tail pipe and your engine bay by heat

[@MichaelSinz]

@@lesstevens2370 Well, you can say that but that is not right either. Would be more like 8 if you want to count the inefficiency but then my 2500HD only got 8 mpg when towing the horse trailer which would be 64 miles with 8 gallons and yet the Ford will do 120 with the trailer at highway speeds. (Ok, the 2500HD is older and has a massive v8 gasoline engine, but still) The physics of gasoline is that 1 gallon of gasoline is around 33.7 kwh of energy.- thus with getting around 1 mile per kwh, the Lightning is around 33.7mpg equivalent when towing at highway speeds with that big trailer.

[@lesstevens2370]

@Michael Sinz I agree with your statement yet it is being manipulated by big oil and gas because of the usd being based on oil and not the gold standard so evs threatens the very thing that drives the American society and now because of corruption and greed the very thing that made America great is gone and now it's an empty shell living off its had beens for the last 50 years and that is an empty tank that is full of nothing but gas fumes that could explode any minute there is a spark of opposition

[@675daytonarider]

According to Rivian the A/T tires rob 54 miles of range. As a fellow Rivian owner I’d be interested in those results. Love the content.

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

[@danielholland8255]

Very cool video, thanks for sharing. I a, 3 days into XLT ownership and LOVE it. I’m also a Polestar performance owner, but this trumps it with range…

[@ndafarachaitezvi1139]

Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

[@colbygarrett03]

I pulled 10k behind a 2003 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3L and it did hurt the milage, but it didn't hurt the range that bad

[@kosiranze]

you do realize though that mileage and range are EXACTLY proportional to eachother?

[@ryakin7637]

What was your milage exactly on the 5.3L towing 10k lbs? I bet it is less than 8mpg

[@Aragorn450]

I wonder if Ford will/does disable the second motor when you're at speed? It seems like it'd help give even better efficiency. From an outside view of never driving any of these, I've been happy with what Ford did with the F150 Lightning and it's great to see their software is doing so well since that's an area I'd expect an older company to do worse in actually.

[@naarealy]

IIRC Ford uses PM motors for both front and rear. There is no disconnect or freewheeling clutch, so essentially the motors must be powered 100% of the time. The reduction ratio is different front to rear, so the power output is shifted (slightly) front/rear depending on which motor is most efficient at a given speed/load.

[@dylandero9069]

Great video test like this must be done on these electric trucks and comparisons between different brands is super important. Honestly my only issue with any of it is idk how anybody can justify waiting 40 minutes to get a full “tank.” Would drive me insane.

[@crashedking1931]

and then only another 100 miles

[@gumshoe-tech]

it would add another 3 hours to a 5 hour trip for me......

[@leerjet1868]

How about eating, and then take a shit. Read a magazine while shitting.

[@aw9085]

kills me too.... maybe with the tesla chargers it will be better

[@ThePackDad]

I get 250-550 miles per 34 gal tank in my '17 F350 gas 6.2L depending on towing or highway etc. It costs about $100 to fill with premium. A 1400 mile highway trip without towing could cost as little as $300 or as much as $600. An EV might be as little as $150 for the same trip. With towing, an EV could easily get up to $400+. Not yet worth the extra time to charge, but I sure wish life was slow enough that it was worth it.

[@jeremyogburn732]

Cyber truck for sure. I've been saving and will trade in my WRX STI when it drops. My brother has a model 3 and will do the same. So stoked for it to come out!

[@Yielar1]

Thanks for the towing test video. The Lightning is an impressive truck that's for sure. I know it's more interesting to push the limits and it's nice to see but people aren't buying a Lightning to tow 10,000 lbs typically. Of course, it's nice to have the option for around town. Since most people drive 30-40 miles per day they would charge maybe once per week or so. I'm currently driving the F150 Powerboost Hybrid and I'm reallly enjoying the extra power of the electric powertrain. I may pick up the 2nd Gen Lightning when I'm in the market for my next truck. Exciting times!

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

[@Yielar1]

@@hdvictoryford5329 strange post. Crazy high repair bills happen every second for ice vehicles as well. Guess that's what insurance is for hey

[@WSW0424]

Have you seen the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma? They moved away from the V6 to the hybridized 2.4-liter turbocharged V4 engine. Should be around 25-29 MPG (depending on if you get the TRD Pro with all terrains and other mods that effect mpg) but, they haven't released those figures yet. The TRD Pro looks badass.

[@gregsimpson621]

I figured 150 miles before you started. Overall, I am impressed with this electric Ford F 150. I can see me using it to tow my favorite antique RV trailer. Great information, as usual!!! Thanks Zack!

[@TheOpinionatedYouTuber]

Zach, you are a national treasure. Your videos are always informative, entertaining, and well-produced. I love the way you use drone shots to capture the beauty of Utah, and I always learn something new from your videos. I'm particularly impressed by your commitment to electric vehicles. You're doing a great job of educating people about the benefits of EVs, and you're helping to make the world a better place. Keep up the great work, Zach! I'm a big fan of your channel, and I can't wait to see what you do next.

[@-.-..._...-.-]

I also like all the other films you are in where you are a doctor, firefighter, teacher, action hero etc. You're my favorite entertainer

[@timothyallbritton1961]

I am 62 years old and have bought a new Ford truck every two years since the age of 28, I have owned a considerable number of them. I also used them in my business but those were only replaced as needed. Last year a lifelong friend (Rodney) and I decided to order two Ford Lightnings at the same time, boy was that a mistake. Both trucks had terrible electrical issues from day one. Sometimes they would not take a charge, other times the battery monitoring systems gave faulty readings, and the list goes on and on. Finally, my local dealer ask if we wanted to return the trucks for my usual F250 diesel, in which I did and Rodney just returned his with a full refund. Thanks but NO THANKS :)

[@ohhman9400]

This is a princess truck. Who the hell would want to sit around for 40 minutes for every 100 miles? Diesel are for the people who wants to get the work done so if you're just looking to get around town this truck is for you.

[@reversedon8698]

I want to see same test 15 years later and 250k miles on the dash how it had effected the range

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Rivian R1T Owner's $42,000 Repair Bill - The Shocking Cost Of A Minor Fender Bender On A $73,000 Electric Truck

[@johnclesi3758]

I personally would have used chain lanyards not ratchet straps. But I would say a good review on this video.

[@austinvanderberg3748]

he used a backup bungeee. all good.

[@camonly849]

Pulled my 5500lb trailer with my dad's 16 f150 2.7. Towed it 180 miles to the track, towed it back, and still had 100 more miles if not more of range.....man I love gas 🤣

[@michaelallen2870]

AWESOME COMMENT

[@eagle25311]

I love diesel more. 600 miles of range.

[@camonly849]

@Ryan M ya idk if it's worth it with light weight. You might get 2 mpgs better...which isn't anything.

[@alekseyabramchuk6718]

I love my Cummins more

[@camonly849]

@@alekseyabramchuk6718 diesel is awesome, but it would upset me if I got the same mpg and am paying more in gas.

[@jbanken3]

Awesome video. Looks like you are in Utah (?) where freeway speeds are 80 MPH! That is impressive to get such range at those speeds and towing such a load.

[@cameronribeiro9660]

Right. A friend with an f250 diesel says once he throws his boat on it it gets 9 miles to the gallon. Either way you have to stop along the way for electric or fuel. Maybe in 2023 2024 it will take 20-30 minutes to charge, but what does that cost in elecetric, and you don't run the risk of gas/diesel engine parts breaking.

[@newscoulomb3705]

I'd be really interested to see this run in the Chevy Silverado EV when it comes out as well. If Tesla is leaning too hard on aerodynamics for their Cybertruck range, it could be the most negatively affected EV truck when it comes to towing large, heavy loads. Ultimately, it will come down to battery size, and 1 mi/kWh is pretty much my rule of thumb for fullsize EV truck efficiency when towing.

[@Scott-sm9nm]

Incredible variety of camera angles and displays really put these videos over the top. Love the content and explanations. One thing was unclear and that is why 2 stalls needed to be taken up. Seemed like one would have fit OK.

[@JerryRigEverything]

I probably could fit in one stall... If I was more confident in my backing up skilz.

[@mendelmarozov888]

Obviously we would want to see it for the cyber truck 😜 if it ever comes out

[@santanat.7206]

That unibody truck ? 😂

[@davedavenport8673]

@@santanat.7206 We will have to wait and see what the design changes do to the original spec of 14k towing capacity for the tri-motor. Guessing that goes down.

[@michaelmackey754]

Great video…I’m waiting for a F-350 lightning

[@MrTophr]

Looks like a spring time test is needed with the Rivian, for a more even comparison

[@antiLGTBQ]

"its not sponsored, but its completely sponsored"

[@Levi_Holiday]

It would be cool if you could do it with the cybertruck. Can't wait. How many people looked at you while filming on the top of a hummer?😂

[@kpl9439]

If they ever going to make it.

[@Levi_Holiday]

@@kpl9439 they will, just wait.

[@kpl9439]

​@@Levi_Holiday waiting, that you most definitely will do.

[@whiteknight1246]

I would love to see if you can engineer a trailer with a regen braking system for the trailer wheels, and a full solar bank on the roof that feed the EVs batteries, and see if you can significantly improve the range while towing. Because the range to charge time is a barrier to switching over from a diesel.

[@amphedroxyn4251]

If the wheels are charging they're dragging..

[@DinDooIt]

@@amphedroxyn4251 I see a lot of people not getting that point.

[@davedavenport8673]

@@amphedroxyn4251 I believe he means regen when using a trailer brake. Trailer brake probably not used enough to justify the weight of the motor, controller and batteries though and then max load is lower with those items added to the weight of the trailer.

[@eagle25311]

There's a reason electric vehicles don't have solar panels on the roof from the factory.

[@whiteknight1246]

@@eagle25311 i get that but the roof of my trailer is 28 feet long x 10 ish feet wide.the roof of the rivian is 6 feet long, and i understand that regen always isnt a thing, but i assume the e trucks have a brake controller stopping the wheels on the trailer which is energy lost to heat.

[@KevinRDunn]

thanks for the test. I would love a Ford Maverick Lightning. Just don't need the fullsize truck anymore.

[@goodness6664]

Thank you for clarifying this time that the power for towing isn’t the issue, rather range 😎😀

[@GraingerProductions]

I love your truck videos. Heck yeah to the cyber truck.

[@riparianlife97701]

I used to tow large loads with my diesel Duramax, over long distances, but an electric parts truck for in-town runs would have been great.

[@forrest225]

Yeah I could see an electric Nissan frontier / ford ranger equivalent being fantastic for parts store delivery trucks. They usually don’t haul much weight and typically just make a lot of short trips. Honestly I would love an electric car to daily, I drive 100 miles a day commuting for work. Hopefully when my civic dies electric cars will be a bit cheaper for something with some decent range. It’s an 18 with 100k so hopefully it has quite a bit of life left 🤞

[@riparianlife97701]

@@forrest225 I live on a 5 mile long island now, and ride a nice, 850cc motorcycle. I wish I had a zero fxs electric, but big shock, they hold their value too well for a used one to be affordable.

[@paulsmyers203]

Thanks a ... 5 tons for making the video! Definitely need to retest the R1T in similar conditions. Tires and temperature make an enormous difference.

[@billstmaxx]

Who wants the anxiety of "will I make that" and the p.i.t.a of having to wait to charge. Or wait in line for others to charge before you.. Also knowing the battery life in R/C cars, it will be the same with these vehicles with the shortened battery life with the fast charges.. Have fun paying for those battery replacements!! stupid idea

[@svdoinitright7519]

I looked at trading my F150 in for a lightning. The dealer asked about mileage when towing and I told him, I go from 22MPG bare to 9.5 when towing my big motorcycle trailer. He told me that I wouldn't get more 50-75 miles when towing. You're test kind of confirms that. My trailer is lighter than your test trailer, but it is a big, flat faced, enclosed trailer, so a huge amount of wind resistance.

[@eagle25311]

Yup electric trucks aren't even close to getting to the hunter crowd either. You have to drive to the woods in the cold, spend several days out there, then drive back. It's gonna be a while before an electric truck can be used for hunting trips.

[@GREGHOLUB]

156 miles of range … and I think these are running around $100,000 😂 that’s incredible what a bargain!

[@robbobcat7286]

love it!

[@richardbrimage983]

Think I’ll keep my F350 diesel for my 12000 lb fifth wheel.

[@davidroman1654]

@@richardbrimage983 Just replaced my 2021 Chevy 3.0 (only because it was stolen) with a new 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0. Last summer's trip was about 3,500 miles of towing a 32' 6,800lb trailer from west Texas to Colorado Springs, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. Averaged 13+ mpg towing. Range is about 250 or better and 10 minutes to fill up. Thanks by NO thanks with the EV for towing. And highway driving mileage was around 26-28 so the range was 600+ miles and again 10 minutes to fill up the tank.

[@allaboutroofing2]

​@@davidroman1654that's great milage for towing, especially in Colorado springs and all the elevation gains. I wasn't aware they had a 3.0L, do you have any comparison to how it performed vs a V8? I'm shocked you could tow that much with such small displacement!

[@duradim1]

You have to be kidding.

[@4ee]

The low range is a killer for EV trucks especially when you use it usually in rough conditions

[@vidznstuff1]

30MPGe in this truck while towing 10,000 is not a killer at all. Most contractors drive 65 miles a day tops and fuel is a huge expense.

[@JamieGuzmam]

Evs qre trash absolutely trash

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@vidznstuff1 Fuel is a big expense, but you can get a gas xl trim f150 for 45-50k and you have LOTS of money for gas. 10 years worth approximately. And in ten years these batteries will be toast. I’m not against electric vehicles, I’m against democrats shoving them down our throats. If you tow, take long vacations or don’t have a garage with a charger to park in, then electric vehicles are terrible.

[@francismarion6400]

So do people charge those trucks in their garages?

[@Subwolfer7564]

@@cliffordmontana4562 You're against EV's. Tired of people coming out saying they hate them because of politics (nonexistent laws based on republican fearmongering tactics), then turning it around and claiming they're neutral. nobody has forced anything. 10 years is a very low number based on real world statistics (its cited on the right with nothing factual behind it). 45-50k is a stretch with these stealer ships

[@billpaxton1345]

Can't wait to tow my boat with one of these. The 3.5 hr trip from St Louis to lake of the Ozarks will only take 4 days with charging. What an awesome future!

[@brawnto]

IF that ever comes out, zing! Nice work, I love my Lightning Pro although I haven't towed with it yet.

[@H20-Water-Pro-LLC]

Should tow a bumper pull camper of the same weight. The wind drag would be interesting to observe.

[@TheRealLink]

For some reason I thought the Lightning might do worse but still pretty neat. Please tell me you'll repeat a test like this once the Cybertruck comes out since that's really hyping up the towing capability!

[@ralanham76]

Definitely need to retest the Rivian in the same weather, so it's an apples to apples comparison

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Also maybe the Rivian wasnt switching many electric motors off while already driving! With more electric motors only used for launching the vehicle they mostly use one or two while already at speed

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

I am curious what the result would be if you put a cover over the Hummer that made it more aerodynamic. I think in a future where electric trucks are common, there are going to be a lot more solutions for making payloads aerodynamic.

[@justinsugay1149]

Super useful. This is inspiring. Not yet ideal but not as bad as I thought. Much better actually. Same test under cold conditions would be also useful. Thank you!

[@kennedy98796]

it would be a lot different in colder weather, even hand held lithium tools have a shorter battery when its cold

[@Crazyreseller]

Definitely test the CT…and it will come out, eventually, hopefully, fingers crossed, 🙏🏻.

[@dionysusgross476]

I watch all of these EV tests and I see how gas and diesel beat it out, I can load out my Silverado 1500 with airbags and go 300+ miles when I load it down. This may not be the answer people like, but if your running a heavy load electric may not be best option.

[@SimonPollock]

Great vid! THat backup feature is rad. Very much looking forward to your take on CYbErTruCk

[@mxracer158]

So drive 100 miles with a load, wait 45 minutes ish for a recharge. Wash rinse repeat. You'll reach your goal sometime next week. Sorry ain't sold on it.

[@paulmortensen6294]

That back up assist system looked pretty cool.

[@gmquiroa]

Enjoy watching your honest review. F150 Lightning Lariat owner and I like the Rivian as well.

[@TNRVG]

Was that an extended range Pro? I think it was an extended range because the standard range is only a 98 kwh battery (98 miles total at 1kwh a mile).

[@jackpmeadows]

Always great. I kept waiting for you to do a teardown like on the phones.

[@etuday1]

Utahan here, have you taken any of the truck EVs up Big or Little Cottonwood Canyon? What is the drop in range once you get to the top? About to pull the trigger on a F150.

[@Jon-kg6hm]

The backup assist is badass!

[@Hobbies4Hire]

Great job on the video Zack! Thanks for making it.

[@EricduToit]

It's not for me. I'll keep my paid for f250 with 6.7L. For me to tow 10,000lb "about" 112 miles would cost me $25 at current gas prices, compared to the $13 you cited for charging at home. I'd get 3x the distance before I needed to fill up, and about 5 minutes to fill up before I go another 350miles or more. I'm not anti-EV, but they're not practical for my needs.

[@kevinmalone5094]

You should do a towing test on the gmc hummer EV.

[@sebistancu]

Hi ! 1. In what universe 60 mph = 69 kph ? 2. When you tested the 0-60 time, ypu can clearly see out the window that you were on an on-ramp an climbing. So is that fare ?

[@colinanderson3757]

You can set it to regen as soon as your foot comes off the gas. Its a setting.

[@cactustweeter2890]

Great video. Yes do the cyber truck if and when it comes out.

[@Zappy1210]

I'm not even goin to watch this. My Uncle bought the Lightning 2 years ago... so proud of it UNTIL!!! He tried to tow his 1,100 pound camper 250 miles and it didn't even make it 150 before it died lol. He is now very proud of his new Ran 2500 diesel!

[@FGLKPaul]

Love finally seeing a good towing test for the lightning! The parking situation at the chargers highlights the one single issue there is with towing long distance with an EV though... We need better charging infrastructure for towing with trailers!

[@fremue9312]

Only getting ~100miles is also not great for long distances. Of course it can be done but it will get pretty difficult and annoying if you have to stop ever 1.5 to 2h to charge for at least 30min. I think it’s mainly worth it for people who mostly tow stuff close to their home.

[@jailor1869]

“One single issue?”…there are too many to count

[@castlecircle7612]

So in January in Minnesota at -10 day time high, when i haul the snowmobiles up to the cabin 180 miles away i can expect to get maybe to the end of the block. That's so awesome. Electric Junk.

[@dhooter]

Is there any type of dampening in the power train on them? Like the torque converter on a gas engine acts as hydraulic dampening between the crankshaft and the transmission. Otherwise vehicles would be a lot more jerky

[@tonyshipman257]

Zack, After owning the one and driving both. Which one would you buy today?

[@JerryRigEverything]

Such a hard question. If it's for pleasure more than work: Rivian. If it's for actual work more than pleasure: Ford. But dang. Both are amazing trucks.

[@hedleypepper1838]

Awsome job Ford, that reverse assist is incredible, want it for my caravan 😊

[@erickjuarez4074]

Great vid! Can't wait for the test on the CyberTruck.

[@wantsanewvehicle]

I have a 2016 f150 with the pro trailer backup assist.. I've played with it a couple times. With my truck though, you have to measure a bunch of stuff with the trailer and such and place stickers on whatever trailer you're towing for it to work. Do you not have to do that anymore or??

[@uglycouzin]

So glad you made this video. I put my order in three weeks ago.

[@moremoney1704]

Really need to test these trucks on I-8 in So Cal, going from sea level to 4000 feet in a span of 13 miles in 95 + degrees temps!