Track battle: 2019 VW Golf GTI TCR vs Honda Civic Type R | Autocar

[@DreamCarGarage1]

WOW TCR! That takes me back. I had a set when I was a kid. Unlike Scaletric you could actually change lanes to overtake. Loved that set right up until my older brother took of the covers and souped up the engines (without my permision) to make them go faster. They weren't long for this world after that.

[@davidkennedy1077]

I had TCR, lucky for me we had a local shop that sold spares and new cars (i even later bought a Trans Am to go with my racing cars)I loved that set, and so did the group Sleaford Mods who even did a song called TCR a few years back, check it out on KZbin. The guys are even playing with a TCR set in the video (that looks like the one I had)

[@heamees4822]

2 seconds around such short circuit is absolutely massive difference. Also i still dont get the appeal of the semi-automatics in hot hatches

[@KXP70]

I guess it comes down to it just being easier to live with for most people. I used to hate it when I started driving a dsg because I couldn't gel with it and get it to behave how I wanted it to in drive or sport. But with an adjustment period and using the manual mode when appropriate, I can now honestly say that I could be happy with either. Imo (funds permitting) having both a good manual and a good dual clutch car is the way to go. Both different but rewarding experiences when driven appropriately.

[@robertdebarge276]

The DSG is tunable without needing to change the clutch. This was my motivation for buying a DSG. I've had my share of manuals and am happy to have the DSG as a daily. The DSG shifts excellently, as well.

[@wilshirewarrior2783]

How about FASTER shifting?

[@Osprey1994]

@@KXP70 Agreed

[@Osprey1994]

Faster shifting, you can eat a snack and drive (not recommended), etc.

[@deadlydizzle7588]

I'm probably in a minority but I actually love the way the Type R looks. It's aggressive and chavtastic which for some reason appeals to the inner yob in me 😂

[@FerrariKangaroo]

I have to admit, I hated it at first but it's definitely growing on me. It looks better in real life as well IMO.

[@blatantlyjohn6234]

Its a grower

[@jaylocke9574]

Minorities, Majority, I own an fk8 type r and wouldn't want it to look any other way. Those who don't get the looks, don't get the Type-R..

[@jaylocke9574]

@@blatantlyjohn6234 and a shower, d funny that because you never have both. You get one or the other..

[@jaylocke9574]

@Subi_fan All vehicles bar super and hyper cars have them. Including Subaru.. 🏁🚥🚗🚘🚜

[@-DC-]

The Civic is in a different league a proper hardcore big hitter of a hot hatch.

[@moneyparhar]

Its rice boy car

[@DelSolTypeR1987]

@@moneyparhar well.. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements... the Type R seems to do great on track so it kind of negates your whole comment

[@alainguillemette7680]

I can tell that the gti tcr has way more body roll by just looking at it

[@nisrrah8198]

yeah i also figured that

[@yaz258]

Really liking the extra stats when it comes to comparing the laptimes. You should do 60-100mph too

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Slow is slow. No excuses.

[@ericheadley]

And here is the kicker, you know that the Honda will be basically bulletproof for the next 10 years; the Golf.... start befriending your mechanic now.

[@JFinns]

Love my Mk7 GTI Sport with manual transmission and welcome the competition from the Type R it's a beast.

[@alainguillemette7680]

Justin F i think by running the Mk7 GTI Sport it'll beat the Type R with very little money

[@KXP70]

@@alainguillemette7680 until the Type R gets a little money and blows the VW out the water by even more

[@eleonik76]

@@KXP70 By that time the engine of the Golf would be broken, so no need to invest..

[@KXP70]

@@eleonik76 what do you mean? The EA888 is very reliable.

[@eleonik76]

@@KXP70 You know nothing about engines. Let's start with the fact that VW didn't improve nothing from its first gen 888 and the issues with stretched timing chains, high oil consumption, etc are still same. What reliability you talking about? I seen them engines totaled in less than 100k

[@philmountain9290]

Surely the TCR needs testing with the 20mm lower suspension and bigger wheels/tyres etc

[@richardbaker696]

Can only think performance pack 2 costs £3k in uk to include cup 2 tyres, making it much higher price than type r.

[@richardbaker696]

Yeah PP is a must. Few more options and it's getting on for £40k. Like the other comments, more marketing exercise than engineering one.

[@gaycha6589]

Jonathan Bowen - Golf regains ground come resale time. Every time. That's the true cost

[@mickpreljevic6120]

Bigger wheels won't do any good for handling trough the corners. And it will increase weight.

[@wanglee21]

Like he said even VW has a better setup called the "Club Sport S addition" (only to put numbers on Nurburgring) but still failed to Type R. Now there is a Type R TCR so comparison

[@JoeBlo2]

Two seconds slower? Even with DCT and a power bump?

[@flacjacket]

It doesn't have the performance pack so it's kind of a silly comparo since the Type R costs way more and is on much stickier tires, with the performance pack it gets lower firmer suspension with dynamic chassis control and cup 2s which on their own would probably close most of the lap time gap.

[@JD2ndcity]

@@flacjacket what's unfair about the tyres? Cup2s are a track focused tyre.

[@ghostinthemachine76]

flacjacket The Type R is cheaper than the TCR.

[@mrcwr8523]

@flacjacket If you put them both on Cup 2 tyres the CTR would undoubtedly be the faster car. Steve Sutcliffe got a 45.8 lap time round Llandow in another video for Auto Express. According to Fastest Laps, that’s quicker than the times he got in an M2 and F80 M3. It was 0.1 seconds slower than he got in a 550bhp GTR and was faster than Jethro Bovingdon’s lap time in a 991 Carrera. Not bad for a car costing from £31,550 (£33,550 for GT spec). The Golf TCR starts from £34,065 for a 3 door with no options.

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Mr Cwr 👍

[@GHinWI]

Just hard to get excited about an automatic transmission in that class of car.

[@Inspector7I]

Its not an auto...its an automated manual. Look it up

[@what-jh4iq]

@@Inspector7I Semi automatic you mean? Like...paddle shifters? Still boring :| If you can't rev match and heel toe where is the fun...

[@shaoyang5650]

This guy is totally bias towards the gti. Said it from the start

[@Shadowboost]

2 seconds is massive. You'd feel the difference of that even on the street

[@mannyechaluce3814]

definitely, you would be 2 second late for work, that is huge !!

[@willzhi8291]

Manny Echaluce sayinghonda is good hurts you too

[@blatantlyjohn6234]

Imagine if Honda brought out a track focused version of the Type R lol

[@Chris-nw6ws]

Check out the Spy shots of a more track focused version of the type r testing around the nurburgring

[@ThunderWindz]

@НАТО в шоке, США обосрались ehhh

[@blatantlyjohn6234]

its not tho is it@НАТО в шоке, США обосрались

[@peterbennpan7288]

Like a Mugen

[@ld9387]

@@Chris-nw6ws I'm sure it's just a facelift

[@techyd8411]

Quite a gap for such a short circuit...can’t help but think the tyres the golf was on probably lost it the turn-in bite it would have if it were on cup 2s... Still Honda for me, I think they are great, a proper hot hatch and I love the looks...very tempted to get one next year but we’ll see!

[@lansiman]

500 pound for that ugly stickers? jeez i thought my phone was expensive

[@lansiman]

Vinny Booboo 900 pounds s10 plus

[@lansiman]

@Vinny Booboo i'm rocking both iphone x and s10 plus,love both

[@Inspector7I]

Yeah but, at least you know from 100 ft away that is a tcr and not a average golf

[@christopherthompson7443]

Own the Type R what a brilliant well engineered machine, love or hate it, credit where credit is due. Well done Honda. Looks are purposely functional.

[@davidhayes4814]

All large manufacturers are prone to cash out retiring models, with limited editions. Given the long delay in introducing the Mark 8, this must be an even bigger temptation. The Mark 8 GTI won’t be introduced for ages. This seems to be quite poor value compared with the Golf R or even the 245 PS GTI. If it had been given an extra 100 PS and was stripped out, then it would be collectible. I can’t see this being a “must have” limited edition. A missed opportunity, perhaps?

[@WeirdBrick]

Indeed but that would upset Golf R owners. I dont get this model at all, just a way of making a few extra £££! No one will remember it.

[@michellecoulson6303]

David Hayes Do you think this car is really good?

[@john_dee1431]

Good video. Personally, I think VW as a corporation was compelled to rate the power options with respect to the existing R, Clubsport, and regular GTI.

[@gbej1]

VW has no choice but to pitch the TCR just below the Golf R

[@mikewhitehead50]

power-wise, yes. on this evidence it could do with being a little sharper in the handling department though.

[@Chris-tq2xu]

@@mikewhitehead50 yuo can get a Performance Pack for the TCR and i can't understand why the Testcar is without it for a Tracktest. This test is useless.

[@mikewhitehead50]

Chris 84 possibly because a basic TCR is already at least as expensive as the Civic. Tyres wouldn’t make up that much on such a short lap. It’s not a totally useless test.

[@Chris-tq2xu]

@@mikewhitehead50 tue Performance Pack is not only Tyres. And a Tracktest without a availble TrackPack is useless and not fair in my opinion.

[@jaylocke9574]

@@Chris-tq2xu Not to mention that if a car ever really needed the pack it was now, going against the top dog.

[@Chris-nw6ws]

Civic looks so much better then the boring old golf

[@waiz0231]

What are golf supposed to look like ? Mk1 ? Honda are all ugly in general

[@RomaneMaticaliseGordon]

What’s the sense comparing any hatchback with the Type R? It’s always going to win. It’s just that good

[@litespeed65]

I really like the Honda and see the GTI as a Marketing exercise, but after owning 4 GTI's and now a Golf R, I'm over trying to squeeze a lot of HP out of the front wheels alone.

[@nikb6528]

Getting fed of all these GTI variations nowadays. Can't they just make a good car and call it a GTI?

[@fragu123]

Great work.... as always!

[@galacticmaui2]

This review seems a bit biased. The reviewer seems to try hard to spin negative things about the Golf in a positive way and discredit the type R. If he prefers the VW that’s totally fine but if you are making a comparison you should minimize biases.

[@charliepattinson6660]

Who’s going to pay for that graphic, awful and cheap

[@Kelveron]

Agreed, not great, but nowhere as scary bad as Civic's styling and its OTT spoiler!

[@troyarmstrong434]

@@Kelveron is the Honda the superior car...?

[@exvitermini]

The right question is who pays for group vag tin cans.

[@Kelveron]

@@troyarmstrong434 Well, going by the review here, on track yes, but on road no.

[@gaycha6589]

tensnake bl - I do!

[@parkerbee4243]

Type-r still the king of hot hatches

[@paulallwood6033]

Can we have a Megane Rs 300 Trophy against the Civic next please Autocar???

[@grantmotox123]

The golf is basically a more expensive and softer Leon Cupra then

[@KXP70]

Nailed it. This car is pointless.

[@waiz0231]

Still not as ugly as a f... Honda lol

[@tasosvougiatzis343]

The honda is already classic .The prices for a used in the future will go crazy up. But nowone will remember that golf tcr gti

[@ukdub]

Quite funny, more the other way around. Regardless of which is the better car, a vw golf will always be remembered before a Honda Civic

[@thiccboi1726]

ukdub hahahhaha hahahahah hahaha not even true

[@ukdub]

@@thiccboi1726 just look at history

[@OutlawRacing-k20]

Μόνο honda

[@vwporschefreak97]

@Yann Dupuis not in europe.

[@zacs5773]

Love the Total Control Reference 👍🏻

[@michellecoulson6303]

Zac S Do you think this car is really good?

[@zacs5773]

Michelle Morgan Not good enough as I just cancelled my order...

[@michellecoulson6303]

Zac S ...You seems to be a nice person and would like to know more you outside KZbin if you don’t mind ..?

[@zacs5773]

Michelle Morgan Thank you Michelle but Matts a much better source of credible car reviews than I would be any day...

[@michellecoulson6303]

Zac S Yeah that’s nice ..can we text outside KZbin if you don’t mind..?

[@quicknickdriver8510]

I am your age and totally remember total control racing with those tiny cars. The type R was inevitably going to be quicker than the golf, but not necessarily more engaging, fun or comfortable on the road. But as a track car, the tcr golf seems a bit gimmicky in the shadow of club sport S. Nice video Matt, like your style

[@sbaddison]

I had TCR in the late 70s / early 80s😁👍🏻

[@cosminmihu9963]

I bought the R and am very looking forward to it. I'm sure the driving position, engine, and gearbox are perfect. Only thing that worries me is how easy everyone says it is to drive, how the control is quite neutral. I had a Megane RS 265 and 275, and it could get quite wild at the limit. It's beautiful control and feel is what made it the most fun car i've ever driven. The Clio RS trophy I had after was disappointing in this regard.

[@DelSolTypeR1987]

on normal roads you will not get the type R to behave nervous unless you are wanting to break the speed limits very hard lol. On a track though and if you have plenty of skill to drive it on the edge it will behave like a ragged dog. It has a fairly high limit though so it brings some danger too.

[@cosminmihu9963]

@Yann Dupuis Thanks, in my country the law is "relaxed", I can drive twice the speed limit with no problem. Just need Waze.

[@guillermosanchez2783]

The Type-R competition was the Golf R and still didn't win. At least there is a manual version of the Golf R. What are the final prices on the street? In terms of agility, especially for the daily driver, the two seconds doesn't matter either, sporty experience while driving does, reliability does. Out of these two, I prefer the Type-R, if both cost the same, of course. The manual transmission in a sporty car makes a big difference in the driving experience. I still prefer to drive my STI rather than those two, slower or faster, I couldn't care less. Is the mechanical driving experience, that is vanishing from the sporty cars, that would make me pick the STI today. There are rumors that in the future, the STI would not come with a manual, so the situation doesn't escape even the models that seem to bring the driving experience alive, even today.

[@unassailable6138]

STI, lol. With that engine sitting way in front of the front axle, causing extreme understeer, you bet SLOWER.

[@guillermosanchez2783]

@@unassailable6138 Yes! you're right, slower. However, I wish I had learned a long time ago that numbers are not all to achieve the desired driving experience. Before buying the STI, I changed my GTI DSG for a 2015 WRX thinking that I was outsmarting any STI buyer. Fortunately, I didn't buy the STIs that Subaru sold knowing that they were unreliable, but if I would have avoided that issue, I might have been still with the car that I could have bought back at that when I bought my GTI. Again for mere numbers, there are Teslas there, but how much enjoyment this car produces, makes me think that if Subaru goes automatic in the next gen, I'll keep this one for as long as I can.

[@BobK5]

Is the Golf in ‘comfort mode’?

[@spartanwarrior4632]

Like it or not the civic type r turbo fk8 is the best hot hatch pound for pound performance car in the world. And its still got manual shifting, fwd,

[@KOL630]

I just bought an older MK 7 gti after owning lots of fast French cars overs the years. It’s a great car. Definitely not as exciting as a Megane trophy by a long shot or as focused but as a daily do it all car it’s brilliant. Less exciting when you don’t want it to be and less exhausting when you do want it to be (if that makes sense!)

[@MajorAMinor]

Do the Megane 300 Trophy vs the Civic please

[@trubblman]

Massive shout-out for the TCR callback.

[@jaylocke9574]

I can count approximately three or four special edition GTI's, to have a shot at the Type-R. All have failed and done so miserably. VW should be tuning the R if they want a shot at the title. I can't see the Honda being beaten anytime soon and it has been out for 2 years. Maybe the A35. Stop with the GTI already, Honda is pooping them out it's exhaust.

[@gaycha6589]

Jay Locke - not reflected in the TypeR Sales figures. With Swindon closing its all over for CTR in UK

[@jaylocke9574]

@@gaycha6589 Sad days, I find it hard to believe this machine will not have a full cycle of development. All we will be left with will be expensive character less hyper hatches that the driver will point and shoot. I love the rawness of my R.

[@KXP70]

@@jaylocke9574 it may be raw compared to the supremely dull Golf R, but when I test drove the Civic I found it hugely capable but fairly tame overall. The ease and fluidity of driving it normally and fast was greater than I had expected, but it wasn't as thrilling as I had hoped it to be.

[@pswmetalmonkey]

@@gaycha6589 Global sales of the CTR are epic, the Swindon factory closing has nothing to do with the sales numbers.

[@piero914]

@@pswmetalmonkey Yeah I believe they're just moving production to the U.S. Everyone relax lol

[@stevecuahuizo792]

I use to drive Honda’s when I was in high school .

[@chrisclokey4840]

I find track tests kind of pointless unless the cars are purposely built for the track, these are road cars so test them on the road. The TCR is also completely different with the lower suspension, 19" wheels an DCC fitted.

[@FK_H8r]

Honda FTW.

[@user-zu7hr6wh6o]

For saying how relatively close the Golf can get, and it’s better ability as a daily, I’d say this is the victor. If you’re that into track drivings and still need a daily, I think there are more interesting options than the Civic (in my humble opinion)

[@Timmy63]

The honda sufer fron road & wind noise spetualy in high speed & the front seat has a short leg suport In a long ride you start to feel pain.

[@michellecoulson6303]

Tamir ahronee Do you think this car is really good?

[@lewisratford2908]

Driven a MK 7.5 Gti on a regular basis and it’s just so slick and brilliant at everything. Don’t be fooled though as the TCR is pretty much a bhp bump with cosmetics. The optional performance packs will still leave it trailing behind the type r. The TCR is a bit at odds with itself as wont challenge the dynamics of the R but is a lot louder and brash to what Gti owners go for. Great car though be it a bit pricy

[@falcolotfi1549]

Just from the start, 28..somthing hp showcased how much vw envy civic type r which continue To boast the Whole package hot hatch should has.

[@ZZGTKING]

With my standard GTI, with the DCC in comfort mode, the car is actually faster on the track with less understeer compare to the sport

[@KXP70]

I'm curious as to whether that would change with grippier tyres

[@ZZGTKING]

Kurt Phillips The balance of the vehicle can always change if you use different tires, but being gripper doesn’t mean it is definitely going to be more understeer, the car can also be more tail happy.

[@longtailgt]

As much as I love the Civic, I'd have the Golf. It's the nicer car of the two, looks better and with a few minor modifications it'll be faster.

[@YoureDumbForLife]

But with a few minor modifications to the Type R wouldn't that then be faster?

[@matthewp9015]

YoureDumbForLife Yes, but not as easy to change the looks of the Type-R as it is to get more power from the Golf.

[@Shan2nu]

If not for the 7 spd dsg box, it would have been another sec or 2 slower.

[@chrisgregson3626]

Get someone else in front of the camera Autocar. I’ve no doubt this bloke has knowledge, talent and experience in abundance. But my god is he dull! You hear about jaded car journo’s, this is the epitome of it. Seriously cool job, would it really be that hard to look like you enjoy it?

[@jamiep61]

Another Great Autocar Video

[@MLeeder53]

no manual and slower.. hmm. might be competition for the Hyundai N not the CTR

[@nikomoin7604]

I take the civic just because of the manual gearbox

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Why would anybody buy a TCR, when you can buy a Golf R for the same money?

[@lewisratford2908]

It’s actually more fun ( could say that’s preference ) but agree you would really want to have a GTI rather than the extra AWD. The TCR looks the business to as the R is quite vanilla

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Tuco Salamanca Obviously. I was referring to the price. The Golf R is the same money.

[@ghostinthemachine76]

lewis Ratford You’re right, it is preference. Personally I think the R is better looking. And those optional TCR stickers are awful. But anyone wanting a GTI over an R would be mad to spend £35K +£2K for the Performance Pack. Save around £5K, buy the GTI Performance and APR it. A faster car for thousands less.

[@KXP70]

@@ghostinthemachine76 or if you want a similar car for less, without tuning >>>> Leon Cupra

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Kurt Phillips Good shout 👍🏻

[@petercavellini3232]

Yes, all this proves that the Civic is faster handles a shade better and so on, but most of us wouldn’t drive our cars like this because it wears them out faster, there’s the potential for a life threatening event, and, are you really going to play chase me on the road every time you see a type R?

[@dlombana161]

Some of us go on track though...and considering how quick it was for MK7s to give my CTR a point by, the difference is even more massive on a bigger track. I'm not saying everyone lives on the track everyday but consider this. You have a very good daily and STILL can have more fun than allowed on track whenever you choose, as opposed to a fun daily is just that...and kind of understeers everywhere the few opportunities where you really get to test its limits. I's a bit deflating as an owner...I've been in that situation before.

[@ctsteve9199]

No, because it's not worth doing, both for us and for the potential danger to others, I know and they know that in this class with a clear road and a competent driver the Type R will win, why bother? Just sit back and smile,

[@m3rilla]

I own track ready Ep3 and standard fn2

[@m22_media95]

Enjoyed the video apart from the unnecessary camera angles during the hot laps. Just need the forward facing camera.

[@ironworker3330]

If I had to choose between the two I would definitely take the Honda.

[@dskribe9598]

Now if only the dealers in my part of the world weren't asking $51k USD for a Type-R, I would have bought one. Settled for an SI instead and saved $20k+ in doing so. What are these dealers thinking?!?! $50K for a 300hp hot hatch?!?! No.

[@dylanburger217]

I know they are ruthless! You've got to shop all over the country if you want an R, I was lucky I knew my dealer so I got mine just over MSRP with minor goodies like tint thrown in.

[@piero914]

That's nuts. Are you in Cali? I'm from NYC and I got mine for MSRP.

[@dskribe9598]

@@piero914 Even worse, Southwest Florida. Every single dealership around me has the R's priced at $50k+.

[@piero914]

@@dskribe9598 A few dealers by me wanted the same, but then eventually I found a dealership that was sane. Enjoy your Si. Great car.

[@dskribe9598]

@@piero914 Exactly! I am really happy with my SI and with the all the money I saved, it might be time to invest in some aftermarket toys! Enjoy your R! :)

[@danilorodriguez4665]

Great video, more comparison please

[@tedtheturbot]

Please can you keep a POV cam inset so as to be able to see how she moves throughout the lap?

[@ARTaken007]

They didn't test the Golf with better diff tires and suspension. They put it up against the TypeR with better tires

[@kwokyinay]

@autocar Which car in this category is most fun? Is it the megane rs or the i30n or m140i?

[@horsti8139]

The Golf looks 1000 times better...:)

[@WeirdBrick]

It looks like a boring golf! Some will like that but no one will notice it or even give it a second glance.

[@willywilson9683]

It's slow

[@horsti8139]

still looks better

[@lukegodfrey9391]

Looks are subjective

[@timeggenheimer7731]

The golf looks like an EP3. Honda was doing it almost 20 years ago.

[@sharvan456]

I would like a comparison between the Civic Type R and the Golf R.

[@NeillyVille]

I'd still take the Golf R, thanks

[@troyarmstrong434]

No T

[@gaycha6589]

I did

[@JosipM333]

Every where is 2second hmmmm.. strange or not???

[@gumerdominguez4091]

Josip M you know it’s biased it’s the same number total bs👍

[@imtheonehero9305]

Butt hurt fanboy?

[@imtheonehero9305]

@@gumerdominguez4091 butt hurt fanboy?

[@dantem306]

I think they should have given the GTI the is38 turbo from the golf R/TTRS.

[@giuseppealejandrolicci3637]

VW GTI IS THE QUEEN! ABSOLUTELY! Please don't joke at "taxi driver" in this short circuit: mayby is the Luna Park circuit?!! I never seen the record time lap of Honda Type r on the Nurburgring Nordshleife or in Imola in the last 3/4 months. In THE NURBURGRING or IMOLA CIRCUITS I remember all the times only The record lap of VW GTI TCR or R: THE QUEENS! What else!!! GOLF GTI or R all the times! Ciao from Italy

[@paullockwood7219]

But the Golf doesn't look like Sonic the Hedgehog. I do love the Type R though. Great car if you're 25 and loaded.

[@douglasmillar7560]

with a sunroof... odd in a supposedly sportier gti

[@gumpy4960]

So what exactly is the point of yet another golf gti variant and why would anyone buy it over the other gtis or golf r

[@krys8870]

Probably even Golf R will be slower than Type R on track, if not standing start. Honda beats many on famous race tracks.

[@cuprashoe]

Around a track it would be, the Golf R would beat the Type R off the line though

[@jamesbuckingham77]

I don't get why it's called a Golf TCR when it looks nothing like a TCR car. It's like Honda releasing another Type R without any rear wing, flared arches, vents or spoilers and calling it a BTCC edition.

[@moham1287]

GTI without an option for a manual. What a joke VAG have become.

[@KonBlo]

About 1" faster was Steve Sutcllif in the same car (fk8 Type R) on the same track.

[@SpeedGmail]

Type R still hard to look at. Unless you are spending lots of time on the track, the GTI will be my choice

[@SpeedGmail]

I tend to know what I am sitting in and if its ugly I would still know :-)

[@SpeedGmail]

@@layne4376 If you rely on someone/something to make you feel like a king you are not a king :-). BTW, its just my opinion, the car is ugly in my eyes but I am not denying that driving the car may be fun.

[@gaycha6589]

Outdoor Layne - and then you cant wait to get rid of her next day. Or you cringe if you run into her when out with friends? Yep, thats CTR. Like shagging a fat lass, or riding a moped. Great fun until you are spotted

[@jaylocke9574]

@@SpeedGmail long live the brutally mentally mad and ballistic FK8. I love you just the way you are..

[@jpm408]

I didnt like the rear in pictures until I drove behind one in traffic...IMO it looks really good.The wings looks fine. The styling fits its aggressive performance!

[@haniefnoor403]

Thats a tcr model, not the standard version,

[@robertl2856]

Great item thanks

[@MzwandileHarmans]

Honda Civic type r is the best front wheel drive hot hatch and there is no other. It most reliable too

[@mjozic3785]

Why didn’t you use the performance pack that’s the only thing that differences from the rest of the golf range....!!!

[@jessek9985]

If you think the Gti has a lot of body roll you should try taking my Jimny through a round about lol, Seriously though in my 1.4L Golf TSI I never knew what body roll felt like, Then I bought a Jimny.

[@scollyutube]

Dunno if is important but Civics 6th gear is same as golf's 5th. It's way low geared which is great on race track but not so good for every day use. 2400 rpm at 60mph is annoying

[@chawenhalo0089]

I wonder how the TCR compares to the 40th Anniversary...

[@semperf1dude]

TCR the toy racing game was great

[@petercavellini3232]

The Golf is so far behind is because it’s just not digital enough, the Honda has loads of tech helping it to be a better drive, the problem for VW is, the Gti is already a dear car, and to add the tech to solve it overall driving problems, it would be expensive, and that’s the problem, lots of other brands have come up with Gti bashing cars for around thirty grand, VW can’t just bank on the iconic status of the Gti anymore.

[@JMB1891]

Golf is more expensive, and then you have to spend an extra £3000 to get the optimal package... I just can’t see the appeal with the other hot hatches available for less money.

[@niceshot4563]

VW needs to stop fuckin around and crush the competition with a 6 cylinder turbocharged engine in a golf.

[@limpunsing224]

Blah blah blah Type R is far marvelous engineering in its class

[@RishabhThingalaya]

Han Solo dies in endgame

[@sparkplug964]

For the money you should be getting the 19" and performance pack as standard, TCR seem to be a bit of a gimmick if you ask me.

[@brunobegic3841]

Every single car on this planet is beautiful when you compare it to that civic...

[@johnwade1095]

What the Golf is crying out for is a big ass wing, neons, and slamming. It's the only reason anyone will be looking at it.

[@rajindernijjer]

Should do it againt golf r

[@user-pd8db3eh9u]

LOVE VW

[@manuelmartineznusn]

I take the GTI